This is what I should be watching online, instead of the sensationalist nonsense that is ubiquitous in the media. This is blisteringly fascinating material. I studied archaeology for two years in college in the early 1980s, but it only amounted to a modest collection of antique glass, pottery and prehistoric artifacts. Keep up the good work.
Outstanding video, both in terms of the informative content and also the videography! This is exactly why TPG is one of my favourite history channels on YT.
Hi Matt! Great to hear from you. Thank you so much! It's hard to think it's coming up to a year since we were there - maybe we should compare notes sometime. M.
Yes, today I find a better way to split stone and it spreads like a virus, mostly because others do not want to be left out ;-) Always the same, always changing ;-)
Only just last night I was reading up on the newer findings about Göbekli Tepe and the other similar sites and discussing it with a friend. And this morning you guys drop this amazing video. ❤
This was excellent. I've been trying to keep up with your narratives, questions and explorations of this region and time for quite a while. I look forward to seeing more.
I saw this as just a huge entertaining area, with the log supports long gone and the timber framing I could see a performing stage, somewhere for important people to sit, the downstairs room was the green room, the preparation room and with timber on top could see the path to entry and where all the people would sit.
@@curtisnixon5313 The whole bloody place, you sat in place and those charming slaves bring it to you then might be sacrificed, all very entertaining but I'm hoping this was just for the arts.
The house at 11:40 is oval, wile the others I saw were rectangular. In other sites in the Levant the oval and circular predate the square and rectangular houses. If this was here also the case, could the large oval special buildings hint at a memory of an earlier period, like the (much much later) Kiva in the rectangular Pueblo structures in the southwest of the US hinted at the round earth houses of their ancestors, as this was also the special building.
Wow, fabulous and so informative. Glad to hear the archaeologist say that there's still unknown technologies that they may have had, which is something I have always believed and wondered. So much bone and wooden artifacts destroyed, hoping that just 1 may turn up some day. 👍🗿🌝
When i saw the Gobekli Tepe first time I was awe shocked with the vast, enormous size of the site. That site is masterly engineered in complex work and task forces , labourships from the pepple to megalitic rock.
I’m always amazed that these scientists studiously avoid using the term “land management.” Living that close to the land for millennia watching how things grow “What grows together goes together” it seems that they cultivated large food forests like the Native Americans, taking advantage of, as they said, of hundreds of native grains and legumes.
I expect that the people who built Gobekli Tepe did not distinguish between 'religion', 'culture', 'power structure', 'subsistence activities', 'hobbies', and 'being impressive' in quite the same ways that we do. I also expect that they had been modifying their local environment for a long time, and gradually getting more detailed about it. Lots and lots of facilitating maximum production of wild plants/animals, and a bit of introducing a few things here and there. Humans always mess about with their environment, they can't help it.
AH I remember the Old days with grandpa we would track and hunt the last of the mammoth and process down to movable sections DOWN to Gobekli Tepe for final processing that was all those different buildings each had a separate animal or part which told you what they processed there. THEN we would take the items down Mesopotamia way and trade with the farmers down there for BEER. My wild and reckless youth NOW I fear we are all farmers.
17:25 - When you mention the massive variety of plants that was consumed it struck a cord. I am an over 50 who went through primitivism in his 40's. [ semi=retired from tech and went a bit 'apeman' ] I survived with many lessons, the least of them was that the local biodiversity was not enough for full survival. [ Fenland farms around, few open grounds for large patches of wild species ] I still have abs in my 50's from yoga though ;-)
Sorry I got confused I'm not getting notifications I thought this was a repost by ancient architects. Guys I'm buy a coffee and patron but I'm never getting notifications or updates 😭
If the site was next to a migratory route for massive herds, they could have collected enough surplus to allow for time and energy to be diverted from finding food to building centers to process the yearly collection.
If there is wheat nearby they could chop down the trees and dig out all the weeds and bushes in a couple of years youv got your self a wheat field and with a bit of management you could farm it naturally
Unbelievable, I've been following Gobekli Tepe a long time,and never anything about limestone buildings, over 20,000 years! , Antarctica is next, I can feel it.
Thank you for this update! As for beginnings and ends, aren't we talking more about transitions in this case? Many human groups have come and gone over hundreds of thousands of years, leaving no trace (other than what protein residue analysis may show in the coming years). Do we know for sure that the people who built and lived at Göbekli Tepe were among the groups that met a dead end? (My apologies if this is common knowledge that I've managed to miss.) As a stellar example of the transition away from mainly hunting and gathering towards agriculture in the Fertile Crescent, can't we detect some sort of continuity from Göbekli Tepe and other nearby sites to, well, Stonehenge? Without becoming conspiratorial, or even linear, that is 🙃 More like in the general sense that the farmers who built Stonehenge did trace their roots to this wider area. Which their ancestors started to leave around 7000 BC, only a millenium after the youngest settlement layer of a site used for much longer, in an area full of such sites of different ages, as you note. I.e. I'm not suggesting that the people who built Stonehenge must've been the direct ancestors of people who lived in Göbekli Tepe or anything like that. More broad strokes of continuity like we see during the most recent millenia in Europe, for example, or before that in Egypt. Or are you kinda suggesting this anyway, and just need to hammer home points about specifics for audiences of stuff I've never watched and only learnt about through channels like this one?😅
If they were hunter gatherers, this area must have been very rich in resources at the time, for people to understand how food grow seasonally. But it is also an area where there are several harvests/year. Also the holes make me think of holes for ropes to hold tents.
The natural abundance of wild grains determined the locations of these sights. It’s as if nature was doing the farming for them. They developed the culture necessary to provide other foods, storage, water, shelter, etc. to sustain permanent sedentary settlements where the wild grains were already abundant. Over the years these settlers would have recognized the conditions that produced the most abundant harvests. Farming began when these grains were gathered and perhaps transported to less desirable sites and artificially cultivated using human knowledge and ingenuity to create better conditions for abundant growth.
Tas Tepeler was a grouping of 12, pre-pottery sites, of hunter-gathers who were also GARDENERS.. These sites were organized around the Harran Plain, from which they took wild seasonally ripening GROCERIES. . . It was wetter then. Grasslands we’re able to support a sedentary population with suppers of wild game, grain and veggies. BEER was also on the menu as well as honey and foul. Good living I’d say. Infants lived, old folks no longer went hungry… and the mating was probably very advantageous.
Thank you so much for a brilliant video. It answers and rebuts so much of the false narratives that are being spread in social media. I have two questions if I may. First, has geophysics been used on the site to see what is below the surface or is the geology and depth making this impossible? Second, can I post the link to this video when I am rebutting some of the strange ideas some people have on FaceBook?
There seems to be a big contrast between the relatively neat geometry of the monumental stone pillars and the rough and haphazard architecture of the site. The pillars also seem out of place in small rooms that are only a couple of meters wide. And the ones around the big enclosures, half-buried into the walls, were clearly not intended for that purpose. Would you consider the possibility that the pillars were looted from an older megalithic monument nearby, just as happened all over the world in historic times -- Rome, Giza, Sacsayhuamán, Sardinia, ... Imagine for example that some earlier culture built a covered gallery flanked with those pillars, or a circular enclosure like Stonhenge, or planted them in rows as at Carnac. Centuries or millennia after that site was abandoned, another population came to the place and built the Tas Tepeler "towns", and incorporated the scavenged pillars in their rough buildings for vanity or functional reasons...
Native americans required thousands of years domesticate maize. But at the beginning of that period, they were cultivating wild plant species. I personally think it likely that the people who created Göbekli Tepe were farming wild plants on a large scale. But because the plants were not yet domesticated, and the evidence is buried or no longer in existence, we haven't detected it.
This has been an amazing insight into the truth about this sight. Nothing was mentioned that the world economic forum is involved in this sight & that excavations have been halted for a very long time into the future. What is being hidden from the public. Noah's Arc is very close to this sight. I have listened to Steven R Corey CPA on Gobekli Tepe & Pillar 43 & the Zodiac overlayed on pillar 43. He has a book Clear Signs of trouble & Great Joy. He is on RU-vid.
Has anyone considered that Gobelki Tepe is a pre-flood city? Is appears that these related communities were all buried in some catastrophic event that carried massive amounts of material-
Nothing at Gobekle-tepe says to me that they are the first to be doing the things they're doing. The stone work shaping and carving, the wild grain grinding, the water collection. This doesn't seem like their first attempt at these lifeways to me.
When you consider the wildfire of technology that started a thousand years ago, and the stratospheric heights it has lept to in our lifetime, is it any wonder we've all gone a bit do Lally? Tens of thousands of years tooling about with beads, cisterns, politics, food security, then pow ... we have a man fist pumping and leaping about a stage excited at the prospect of colonising Mars!
by exploiting the smaller food, they accessed much MORE food and could have many more people. they changed the unconscious pattern of nature by changing the pattern of 'the bigger the fewer'.
I think you guys could learn a lot from the culture of people who still live here in Western Australia. I can put you in touch with local archeologists who are studying cultivation of yams in seasonally flooded gardens by pre contact Aboriginal people. The diversity of food sources they draw upon and the depth of moral and utility contained in their mythology is very instructional to a Western mind. The New Atheist movement of ten years ago is currently going through a stage of understanding and reappraisal by its advocates. The lines Westerners have drawn between myth, morality, animal husbandry and intergenerational wisdom is only now becoming recognised as a very strange cultural innovation that may well have created as much blindness as enlightenment. Over in Tasmania the precontact Aboriginal people actually stopped fishing after a period when they used to make fish hooks out of shells. So many insights into the multi layered tidal fashion of cultures and social structures.
it's a burial complex, just like the "palace of knossos" hunter-gatherer tribes would have a sacred site, a permanent place to commemorate their dead. all the early civilizations had one. arriving conquers polluted the site, and its priests o would remove any dead bodies to prevent sacrilege.
33:42 - Precisely! Before farming, the concentration and efficacy of human predation must have made a serious environmental impact on subsistence. Hence necessitating methods of land management via engineering (moving rocks, enhancing or clearing topography, creating watering pools near streams…) taking control of vantages that wild cats would typically claim, clearing caves where bears would hibernate, eliminate the bone-breaking scavenger birds who subsist on valuable marrow, while facilitating communication with ‘sentinel’ scavenger species who guide them to fresh kills. Perhaps different tribes developed specialties in observation in adoption of, and displacement of competitor species, adopting those animal as tribal totems. But while still fundamentally nomadic, a sub-tribal or communal-tribal population needed to stay in place to maintain those features, and to defend the territory from incursion from external populations out-growing the resources of their regions. Farming, then becomes a response to defensive needs as all neighboring territories experience a combination of overpopulation and climate-change driven scarcity.
Is wood really easier to carve than limestone? I doubt it. Limestone can be carved by scraping it with tools made of harder rock that are not sharp enough to carve wood. Any angular piece of basalt or flint should do. The surface can be evened out by rubbing with sand and a flat stone. To carve wood, one would need at least a sharp flint knife or a finely honed stone adze. Without metal tools, I suspect that it would take considerably more work to carve a square pillar out of a tree trunk than to carve the same shape out of layered limestone.
Archeology in DESPERATE need of UPDATING It stopped progressing fast enough to keep up with humanity’s hunger for THE COMPLETE HISTORY OF MANKIND Archeologists are always so DEFENSIVE NARCISSISTIC POSSESIVE OVER WHAT IS FOUND SELF ENTITLED not productive at all for future humankind Why ramble on about photos vs being there?? What’s the point in going there if the Archeology will not be correct for decades yet to come? Archeologists dig and search/measure/hypothesis etc ‼️A new profession is required‼️ A combination of a number of professions rolled in one Astrology Cultural advisors Archeology Techs of all trades and other professions ‼️ARCHEOLOGY ALONE IS NO LONGER ENOUGH‼️ ‼️NEED TO DIG DEEPER THAN THE ARCHEOLOGISTS‼️
No archaeologist standing up to show us all the tech/radar of these sites No. No. All about which group of archeologists control the narrative and weilds the glory tight in their grip! Drip feeding us - the people! Egyptology/Archeology still have yet to figure out the Sphinx! Now they found something new - to HALF-LEARN🙄🙄
Ok, so they were eating a broader range of plants/animals. Now, the climate was changing. Were they eating these things because these plants suddenly appeared and people decided to try them, because the sttuff they were used to had disappeared? Were they eating smaller preys because these too moved due to the climate?
i cant help but think that Gobelki tepe and the other Tepe's all around that area was hit by some kind of 'giant flood' and that these sites are much older that we give them credit for. When you guys were walking around that part thats not open to the public, the way the rubble has come in and covered the site up sure seems that way. Certainly not sediment built up over time, although i would have to say that would have played a part in it. Excellent work you guys are doing, and yes, the media has been failing the public for decades, thats why podcast shows done by 'ordinary people' like yours are so important for us that really have to know this like an obsession.
There must have been a flourishing ecosystem at that time for the biodiversity required for supporting a sedentary community. Presumably deforestation and environmental degradation must have occurred over time to leave the relatively impoverished and depleted environment that now prevails
Did they warned about the S.I.D.A..dense objects or both,10800 B.C or 9700 B.C. I think the Edda Aesir refers to the Kappadokian and the Vanir to the inhabitants at Lake Van and other part of the old Armenia,and the Aegean Ocean heading to both Anatolia and Aegiptaland(Egypt) after the Tepe burials they're heading over their heels to Mongolia,Siberia,China,and when the bronze age kollapses and the fall of Rome by catastrophs and cataclysm,and not the Hsiong nu and Attila.
I am sure that they were hunter getters and they were sitting about 200 000 years and didn't come up with any idea to ease their life's until few thousands of years ago suddenly come up with idea to invent something. Do you understand how crazy is this story they were telling us in the school all this time 😂😂😂
Personally I think that most buildings we call "temples" were in fact schools or universities. The so-called priests were probably master craftsmen/women or experts in a certain field who taught the uninformed how to do certain things, like mathematics, agriculture, weapon making, cultivating animals, wood-crafting, etcetera. Don't forget that the earlier researchers were often funded by religious institutions, so, it came natural to explain the unknown as religious buildings or artefacts. It's the equivalent of "the god of the gaps". We don't know what it means, thus god did it. We don't know what this building is, so it must have had a religious purpose. We don't know what these objects are, so they must have served in some or other religious ritual. It's as if these ancient people had nothing better to do than to worship and/or perform rituals to praise their gods all day long. Bollox. It's an explanation that witholds any form of research or even thinking. And such explanations are no answer. They're a dead-end street. They're the equivalent of "it was weather-balloons" when someone saw a UAP/UFO. Luckily, the more we discover, the more we learn and religious and weather-balloon explanations are fast going out the window. Though, to my feeling, not fast enough. Thanks for the video, Guys.
As you in fact argue yourself, when people cannot explain things they will anyway come up with an answer, and this is how religions developed. There is your explanation. It is certainly true that those priests were not just priests as we know them today but were generally wise men (and maybe women). The word priest comes from the Greek word for elder.
@@ronald3836 Religion, or better, the notion of a "god" must have been inspired by others. As a relatively primitive person, you don't go "it must be (a) god when lightning strikes or a volcano errupts". And when I was talking about certain people saying "we can't explain, so it must be god" I wasn't talking about the ancients. On the contrary, I was indicating that it is (relatively) modern researchers who explained everything away as being temples or religious artifacts. The elders who built the constructions and manufactured the artifacts, they bloody well knew why and what everything's purpose was. You, my dear Ronald, are an exact example for why certain things got misnamed. You start from contemporary knowledge and try to fit-in everything in modern-day assumptions. Those ancients who built Gobleki-Tepe didn't know the word "god", just like the Egyptians didn't have a word for "religion". It's us, "modern" man who came up with those words and meanings. Religions developed because someone, somehow, somewhere introduced the concept of deities to uninformed folks who didn't know better. So, please scrap that first sentence of your reply, because it's a thought inspired by your own mind. We come-up with gods because we're familiar with the concept.
@@JimmyRJump I understand what you meant, but the point is that this explaining away is exactly what created religions everywhere in the world. But I suppose you are too wedded to "it is aliens!" as your personal religion.
@@ronald3836 No it didn't. The concept of religion wasn't know to those people. It had to be introduced to them by someone outside of their known environment. It's like saying hunter/gatherers couldn't find food anymore and they went straight to becoming agriculturers. And fuck-off with "aliens" as my personal religion. I don't have a religion. Do you, eh? You sound like someone who's deeply entrenched in religious beliefs and that's why you can't see the trees through the wood. I don't feel like going into a discussion with someone on a medium like RU-vid comments, because it is not the right place. Plus, you sound too thick to have a serious conversation with about things like those presented to us in this here video. Besides, who was your god, not of this Earth, but another "alien"?
I've made a few posts on videos about this site in hopes that someone with knowledge of Gobekli Tepe will tell me if it's possible that the whole site was intended to be underground? We've always wondered why they built it and then buried it, what if it was an artificial cave system? It would take massive supports like those pillars to hold up a roof. I don't know, I might not be thinking outside of the box on this one, I might have just fallen out of the damn thing with this notion lol Some reason, when looking at it from a certain angle, it just seems to me that it being a man (term used loosely here lol!) made cave system...other sites have been found that shows people inhabiting underground. Derinkuyu? I know it goes deep underground, but it's not impossible to build a shallow subterranean network of tunnels and rooms...What do you think? Possible or boneheaded? 🤣🤣 And as far as the standing pillars at Karhan Tepe that everyone is calling phallic symbols, they're the Fairy Chimneys. Just a few clicks away from there you can see the natural formations. I've never heard anyone refer to the Fairy Chimneys when looking at the stones on the site. They look exactly the same and I don't know why no one has made that connection...that I have ever heard of anyway lol
The Younger Dryas Extraterrestrial Impact event 12 900 years BP must have had a profound effect on human life, diet, dwellings and culture across North America and Europe. Catastrophic destruction rained down from above. Only those who were living in a cave would have survived, a nomadic lifestyle would have been untenable. In the short term food would have become very scarce. There would have been an impact winter for years. The main foods would have been: other people, fungi, tubers, and other famine food like cooked sago palm trunks. After years the sun would have come back and the descendants of the survivors would have moved to the surface but their homes were like built caves, four solid walls with one opening in the top, all pressed together for mutual support. The landscape when the long winter was over would have been totally transformed. The megafauna had disappeared, it was still a lot colder and dryer than before and sea levels were lower, open forest was transformed to grasslands (all the trees would have died from lack of sunlight so tree-nesting birds were gone until the trees grew back from seeds.) The survivors may have decided that they needed a repository of knowledge to pass down to their descendants so they built their homes around a central plaza where carvings were made to tell the story of the catastrophe and their people's survival. The mud and stone homes grew up higher and higher so that eventually the plaza was surrounded by towers of dwellings. There is evidence that another event happened 1200 years after the first impact but it may have been an oceanic impact that warmed the earth through the greenhouse effect. Torrential rains destroyed the mud and stone buildings, collapsing them into the central plazas, burying them. By then the new grain-heavy diet established, and the catastrophe story became an ancient myth like the flood myth, instead of being a fresh and scary reality.
I'm sure women told their hunting partners to bring home some baby animals ALIVE. Women would keep the babies alive until food was needed. Eventually the babies matured and the females produced babies. Some animals worked better than others. Domestication happened. So there it was.....
Göbekli Tepe thrived during the Atlantis Warm Periods (10k to 8.5k yrs ago) when greenhouse gas levels (recorded in Greenland ice-cores) were higher, and plants could grow at higher latitudes and altitudes. What we see now is a "cultural landscape" [21:02] in a time of greenhouse gas drought.
