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Göbekli Tepe & its “Handbags”: Latest Excavation Reveals a Whole New Story 

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To date, the most ancient bag-looking artifacts came from the famous neolithic site - Göbekli Tepe in Turkey. This enigmatic site is almost 12,000 years old. Its discovery completely changed the paradigm of our thoughts on the neolithic era, and the life and capabilities of our ancestors at that time.
Previously we were taught that pre-pottery neolithic people were nomadic hunter-gatherers who didn’t build permanent structures. But now we know that is not true. They actually constructed impressive large-scale megalithic buildings at many locations, with Göbekli Tepe being the most well-known.
Among its oval enclosures there are multiple T-shaped stone pillars. Some of them are 18’ or 5.5 m tall. On one of the pillars, Pillar 43, it depicts three bag-like reliefs along with animals and patterns. These puzzling carvings have sparked all kinds of speculations.
My opinion is: in order to make a logical and convincing argument on what the bag-like objects might be, we can’t simply pigeon-hole and focus on the specific carvings on a single pillar. Let’s keep in mind that there are a variety of reliefs on numerous pillars at Göbekli Tepe. The one with the bag design - Pillar 43 is a surrounding pillar, not a center pillar of one of the oval enclosures; and this enclosure is one of over 20 similar stone circles. This pillar itself might have substantial meanings but its location indicates that it is a part of the narrative of all the carvings in its Enclosure D and likely inter-connected with other contemporaneous oval structures. Therefore, we need to look at these artful decorations at Göbekli Tepe as a coherent story and not just fixate on a partial carving on one pillar. There must be contextual relationships with these carvings and buildings.
To study this, we should learn the facts from archaeological excavations. Most if not all current theories of the meanings and functions of Göbekli Tepe “bags” were based on initial excavation results. However, in the last few years there have been striking changes. New artifacts and findings have overturned many earlier beliefs about this site. These findings surprised archeologists; and further challenged the old thoughts on the neolithic age. In this video I’ll show you some of the most exciting novel discoveries of Göbekli Tepe - such information will help us to better understand this prehistoric marvel and thereby get closer to the truth about the intriguing carvings including the “handbag” patterns.
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@daveulmer
@daveulmer Год назад
I'm glad to see you are looking at ancient structures as 'infrastructure' first and not just the 'ceremonial space' like most sources. Water and food storage are the first concerns of any stationary community. Rainwater collected from the top of the hill must be stored in the dark to stay fresh along with food that needs to be kept cool and dry. Ancient people learned to do this in many ways all over the planet.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you Dave.
@markd3250
@markd3250 Год назад
As is so often the case, 'modern' people assume those of the past have to be primitives, and so you see the standard religious site, worshipping site, aligning with the stars site, etc. This particular site is very important because of who built it, what it was used for and why. Those symbols that people are mistakenly assuming are handbags are not handbags, those are gates. The enclosures had animal pens in them. Only the stone has survived however, so there aren't any of the wood structural elements remaining. If you look to the right of each of the gate tops, those are either the animals that were kept in those pens, or those are the type of animals that were to be dropped into the pens to feed whatever was in there. You didn't open the gate; you dropped the animal in through that access point. This entire site wasn't used for worship, celebrating or anything else like that. It was a VERY practical site. This was begun by Noah and his family after they left the ark. This is where they went with all the animals from the ark. They didn't just open the door, step out of the ship and say "good luck everybody". There was a great deal of organization and planning involved in leaving the ship, and where to go and get settled to begin the monumental task facing them. This site was used to breed mating pairs from the original male and female pairs they had in the ark. Remember, after the flood there were no animals on the earth other than the ones in the ark. It took Noah and his family a very long time to breed and gradually distribute animals around the earth. The carnivores were the last to be bred and distributed, as the non-carnivores had to have the time to reproduce in enough numbers to be able to support having carnivores around. The massive number of animal bones found at Gobekli were the result of feeding and keeping the carnivores alive until they could begin to be distributed. It's worth noting how many dangerous creatures are carved, as it would be necessary to handle them carefully. Noah's family were farmers, but also hunters. Gobekli was ideally located for their purposes, because it's only about 15 miles north of the river port that became the ancient city of Harran. Harran was a VERY significant city in ancient times. It was where Terah took Abram and Sarai. Where Isaac found his wife Rebekah. Where Jacob went and married Rachel and Leah, and 11 of his sons were born there. The 15 miles in-between Gobekli and Harran was rich and fertile farmland, and still is. It along with the areas north east of Gobekli, was used to grow food to support Gobekli. Harran was right on a tributary that existed at that time that fed into the Euphrates, and thus out to the gulf and on out to the oceans of the world. Noah's family obviously knew how to build boats, and that's what they did. They explored and discovered their new world, then came back and took newly bred mating pairs out and distributed them in the areas they had discovered. The animal carvings and paintings in various places around the world were the signs or markers as to what animal types were distributed and where. That's actually the origin of totem poles and what they were used for. All of the carvings at Gobekli were essentially the catalog and organizational layout of what animals they had, and where they were being kept. It was an animal husbandry site. The carvings were for the children and later generations that would be born there, so they would know what went where as they grew up into the task of what Gobekli was there for. Also to specifically warn of the dangerous animals there. The animal breeding and distribution task was a huge undertaking that by my estimation, took somewhere between 250-350 years to complete. After the initial task was completed however, the descendants of the original 8 of Noah and his family just kept using it, because to many of them at that time it was the center of their world. During those 250-350 years a lot of children were born, and the family lines of Japheth, Shem and Ham grew in size and number. I commend you Tina for having the sense to look at these things from a practical perspective, as that was very much on the minds of the people of that time. They had a lot of work to do, and had to figure out ways to get it done. Religion and silly primitive ceremonies were the last things on their mind.
@funniebunnie4u
@funniebunnie4u Год назад
​@@markd3250 Wow... That makes a lot of sense. Where did you gather all that information from?
@markd3250
@markd3250 Год назад
@@funniebunnie4uThank you. It's the result of years of study and research as the result of a book I was working on when I started looking into this. My original story was an adventure story about Noah's life, but that has since evolved into something significantly more complex, but I hope to complete it here in the near future and publish it.
@funniebunnie4u
@funniebunnie4u Год назад
@@markd3250 That is absolutely incredible... Really thoughtful to share it! I love looking into our history, and digging around for those tasty (non-regurgitated) bits. Inevitably, it leads to something, in a totally different field, and some unexpected piece of evidence, connects them both. ....kind of thing. You are my people. We are the same. ~💕🤗💕 ~ gigglezz
@gbtriumph3216
@gbtriumph3216 Год назад
WONDERFUL, Tina, As usual...Your Hunting Lodge/Explorers Club perspective matches the evidence MUCH more closely than the typical pablum we get from "published" archaeologists. I'd like to see people's imaginative images of what they think the roofs would look like, given the pillar shapes. I am betting the actual roof construction/shapes/design (IF we could ever know it) is more clever, elegant, and functional than we can currently imagine. I am betting they(at that time) were smarter than we are today.
@Dan-DJCc
@Dan-DJCc Год назад
Tina you continue to impress with the quality of your work. Noting the trophy similarities with modern examples is genius level. Even today the trend in trophies we see is away from stuffing actual animals into making plastic recreations of fish and other trophies, not unlike the carved representations found on the ancient monuments. Thank you for continuing to bring such fine analyses to everyone's attention. You amaze.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you very much for the kind words, Dan. I really appreciate your support ♥
@williamrbuchanan4153
@williamrbuchanan4153 Год назад
Rich people could do the Ego bit, most were just striving to live. Old was very young by today comparison. Handbags, Top title. The indicate what was brought in them . Container , like today but, big job to show it on stone. They, older men, had to get it passed on to the children somehow. Stone was the only thing that lasted a long time. Masons , in the making of life history.
@lesjones6745
@lesjones6745 Год назад
A very informative and thoughtful video! You seem to lean in the direction that the builders of Göbekli Tepe (and 'tepe' is Turkish simply for 'hill') were not wholly hunter-gatherers - I agree, as no development stages for the site have been found anywhere. It seems that the builders arrived there with their plans already established and set about building it as it remains today - they must have had engineering skills and the ability to plan, organise and administrate the whole operation. To administrate such a task is a tremendously advanced skill, and they were very advanced people for those times. Looking forward to more on this subject.
@jessealan8855
@jessealan8855 Год назад
Very smart and beautiful I love the way you think.
@sc0rpio79
@sc0rpio79 Год назад
I like your common-sense approach to these ancient mysteries. We must always follow the evidence and not rashly jump to conclusions. I also like how you frame elements within the context of a cohesive whole. I'm noticing that this is not a common skill among archaeologists.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you very much for the support. I appreciate it!
@DakiniDream
@DakiniDream Год назад
Are you archeologist ? I think most archeologist have enough common sens. The problem comes more from medias, especially social-media loving over all "hipes and sensations". For them it's mostly not important if it's true, but what may trigger the spectators or readers. A serious archeologist would never speculate about batteries from aliens, or other nonsens. Unfortunately there also still lot people calling themself specialists of all kind if theyr agenda need it. Have a great day !
@mrbiscuits915
@mrbiscuits915 Год назад
Fantastic channel. I really think people underestimate how large and dangerous megafauna could be. I would live in a stone house buried underground too😂
@Johnrack
@Johnrack Год назад
Good work Tina. I’d really like to visit these sites in Turkey someday. One feature that stands out on many of the pillar inscriptions is that they are made in relief fashion, not by recess cuts. That means to me that the pillars had their glyphs created by relief sculpting away surface material, a far more difficult process than creating recess inscriptions or figures in stone. I’ve not read much commentary regarding that subject.
@SunRabbit
@SunRabbit Год назад
That's a good observation, but I think the real explanation is that they were originally carved as incused negative designs, and then the positives were cast in a geopolymer like concrete. They've done chemical analysis of the casing stones used in the Giza pyramid complex and found them to be a type of concrete we still can't replicate. That proves that the ancients knew about concrete, and we know Egypt and Gobekli Tepe were connected because the ancient Egyptians had a word for Gobekli Tepe which was "Ged Petkai" (from Laird Scranton's research). Additional evidence to support the theory that these were made of concrete is the fact that they've found bubbles and even some human hair inside the stones. Impossible to find that in real limestone.
@barrryyy
@barrryyy Год назад
Very good observations. I've always thought the handbags must be for storing seeds. At some point in their development as a society seeds would have been the most precious things they owned. They would have quickly realized the benefits of selective breeding over foraging the unimproved wild versions of the grains and who knows what else. There are many unexcavated sites similar to Gobekli Tepei in the area. These circular enclosures would surely have been covered and served as community centers for extended family groups. Remember these enclosures may have been used for centuries, possibly even thousands of years. Very nice hair btw
@stephenphillips4984
@stephenphillips4984 Год назад
Oh, come on! People then would not have gone around carrying their own bags of seeds. Even Anunnaki gods were depicted with these "bags"! The bags were so small that the food they generated from the plants once grown would not have lasted a few days. People stashed their food and seed in well-concealed sites sheltered from the elements. Your explanation makes no sense at all. You may as well suggest they were purses where they kept their credit cards!
@slimpiknz3393
@slimpiknz3393 Год назад
You almost did it and then 🤦🏼‍♂️ .Just when you think it's over you had to flirt at the very end.
@tobychye6582
@tobychye6582 Год назад
I do hope that more scientists and other disciplines would join in the research on this site. It would be great if folks with the right tech (and the latest ) start their journey and publish their findings or perhaps partner with independent media, to present what they have learnt thus far.
@geoffhunter7704
@geoffhunter7704 Год назад
In Cappadocia also in Turkey is an actual Underground Cave City which a recent excavator surmised "What Drove the People to Live in Excavated Cave System was there Terrible Surface Conditions making human's live Underground??
@megret1808
@megret1808 Год назад
On first sight the Pillar 43 images immediately make one think of the handbags, but the small icon adjacent to each ‘bag’ gives pause. Instead of representing bags they may represent clan houses. The icon next to each identifying the particular family, Bird Clan, Boar Clan, etc. This fits with the cup marks being votive offering holders. The cup marks appear in groups as though they were clans. Even after the site was buried the tops of the pillars show the cups. The site remained highly revered long after it was buried
@bonniechase5599
@bonniechase5599 Год назад
I appreciate the phtographic overview of the entire Gobekli Tepe mound and the map of the digs and their pillars. This gives us perspective that is missing in so many presentations. Thank you.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Glad that you liked it. Thank you for the support. Hope you will enjoy my other videos :-)
@Stadtpark90
@Stadtpark90 Год назад
6:00 Originally interpreted as a site for congregation, where people traveled to from the wider area. 6:50 newer (2015-2017) findings: people actually lived there: a cistern, hearths (fireplaces), grinding tools. vessels / troughs for processing food / fermentation (beer brewing) 9:01 deliberately buried? Maybe just erosion deposits from uphill. 9:40 also accounting for different datings 9:57 permanently settled 10:32 Thanks for using common sense. Sounds like archeology could have used the input of women way earlier: the young male nomadic hunter (or bands thereof) could have ever only been a part of society. As you point out, the tribal societies would still have needed something like go-to permanent shelters and storage: how else could they care for children and the infirm and elderly. How else would they manage to keep possessions in addition to what they could carry around? Of course they need some permanent places in their territory: they might go back and forth between summer and winter camps or the like, but they would still stay over generations in the same overall territory where they would know where to gather and where to hunt. 12:25 indeed:“Why would they ever move away?“ 13:40 Gobekli Tepe is not an outlier P.S. I was (and still am) intellectually and emotionally invested in the Archeo-Astronomy aspect of things, and I‘m still not willing to give that up. But you sure make a lot of sense: these structures would have had roofs. And their builders life and identity and rituals and arts probably revolved much more about the down to earth aspects. Maybe the night sky truly was more like a mirror for their everyday life, than something to keep track of for rare catastrophic events. - While they surely had wise elders and shamans interested in the past and possible futures, most of their efforts probably were centered on the everyday things, rather than the first and last aspects of fate - however astronomically infused those more spiritual ideas might or might not have been. Edit: it seems like an obvious confirmation bias for the historians and philosophers and theologians to assume that whatever they find and look at must speak to their own interests: surely those ancient cultures must have been mainly interested in history and philosophy and theology as well… 😊 - there might be some anachronisms in that view, which I often fall for myself: I want everything to make sense from my limited view, while at the same time I naturally lack the view of those people dead for 12k years. - We tend to just assume: since they were anatomically modern humans, they must have had the same inclinations.
@jerryvonb205
@jerryvonb205 Год назад
There is nothing more attractive than intelligence. Excellent work as usual!
@chrisking2796
@chrisking2796 Год назад
Another fine video full of great info. On the subject of these sites in Turkey, I find the archeology is very interesting and the various interpretive explanations entertaining. The pieces of the puzzle keep crumbling away, but I know, there's a story beneath. It may be greater than what we have ever imagined. Stay tuned.
@chriselliott4621
@chriselliott4621 Год назад
As always Tina; your production and delivery method are excellent. The "Hunter Club" theory is a good one, one I haven't heard of yet regarding Gobekli Tepe, but one that makes a lot of sense considering it was the settlers past time every day, week, month, all year round (hunting). It is possible that during Winter season 12,000 y.a, the hunters and their families had enough food stored for the entire settlement, and during their "down time" in such a Season, they took on the task of builders. Then as you said, decorated their building projects with pictorial hunting themes. Wish I was a Temporal-Fly-on-the-wall in the days the building project was being finished. Would be amazing to see the ancestors together, working and relating their experiences and knowledge of the Earth realm.
@2seconds992
@2seconds992 Год назад
AS a metaphor of the OTHER realms?? They were no fools, back then?
@Turkish_Model__1
@Turkish_Model__1 Год назад
Explanation Real European History : Haplogroup R1b,R1a (Indigenous Europeans)(Basques, Gaels, Poles) Haplogroup I (Neolithic Indo European wave from Anatolia. Megaliths, Polytheism, Pottery, Longhouses, Axes, Sailing ships)(Bosnians,Scandinavians,Sardinians) Haplogroup J2b (Bronze Age Indo European wave. Ancient Mycenean/Minoan Greece. Rome. Writing and Metallurgy) (Modern Cretans) And some lesser sporadic influxes of Haplogroup E (North Africa) and Haplogroup G (Western Caucasus) Proof Every single word associated with agriculture in Europe is of Indo-European origin. Also many of our maritime words as well, such as "sail". Suggesting the Indo-Europeans were avid seafarers.. "Plough" "Sickle" "Wheat" "Bread" "Milk" "Cattle" "Goat" "Sheep" "Lamb" "Wool" "Swine" "Wine" "Olive" "Beer" "Mead" "House" "Floor" "Wall" "Roof" "Hull" "Rudder" "Sail" "Pot" "Axe" And there is no "alternative explanation" either. Theses words come from no other linguistic family but Indo-European... Meaning the first farmers in the Near East 10000 years ago, were speaking Indo-European. And they spread their language from there, most likely by "sailing" ship.
@jerrybowen2869
@jerrybowen2869 Год назад
Excellent video, Tina! Gobekli Tepe is fascinating, and your logic-based viewpoints make perfect sense.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you for the support, Jerry!
@johnpick8336
@johnpick8336 Год назад
Thank you Tina.
@frankmorrow3701
@frankmorrow3701 Год назад
Very good postulation and a different way of looking at what is on the pillars that no one else seems to have thought of before! I cheer (tip a glass) to your take on this!
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you! Hope you will like my other videos too.
@benbiagioni9906
@benbiagioni9906 Год назад
It's about time someone figured there could very easily been more wild game and edible vegetation on hand in the past.
@aj-mv3un
@aj-mv3un 7 месяцев назад
Abhijit vartak - - this is great ! Really new light on previous misconceptions.!!
@brettwood6721
@brettwood6721 Год назад
...and the site is actually over 50 football fields in size! Most of the enclosures are still buried, we REALLY need to excavate the rest, BEFORE, drawing any conclusion, or over developing theories
@wolfpecker5710
@wolfpecker5710 Год назад
Agreed!! With only roughly 5% of the site unearthed and excavated it’s still so early to say imo.
@j.c.3800
@j.c.3800 11 месяцев назад
I love your ideas! I grew up hunting and fishing before I went to college. I also Lived in hunting and fishing communities in the 70s-90s in Montana and our attitudes about animals was more practical than most who have never depended on hunting for food. (Sometimes I have thought maybe some of these structures were like early graffiti .)😃😂
@Dessert_x_Tat
@Dessert_x_Tat Год назад
I like your thinking outside-of-the-box approach. :)
@donnysandley4649
@donnysandley4649 Год назад
Fantastic content Tina 👍 I personally believe that the wheel had been around way longer than thought. Just a rock or stick would be enough to get wheels turning 😊
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you for the support, Donny 😊
@ThunderboltWisdom
@ThunderboltWisdom Год назад
If you look at wheels they are all constructed, usually from many pieces of wood, and with a metal rim. The problem isn't getting something round, it's with attaching it to an axle, and making it durable enough to handle more than the first few bumps on the ground. Even the Incas didn't have the wheel, and look what they achieved.
@gandrwv
@gandrwv Год назад
@@ThunderboltWisdom Inca had the wheel. There have been toys found with wheels. They just didn't have much use for it since there were no beasts of burden and the terrain was either steep mountains or jungles.
@ThunderboltWisdom
@ThunderboltWisdom Год назад
@@gandrwv Ah! I was under the impression they didn't have the wheel. But I suppose having the wheel and not using the wheel amount to the same thing.👍
@bob_btw6751
@bob_btw6751 Год назад
I recall pictures of animal carvings of wood that had small wheels at the feet. Two axles, 4 wheels. The author figured them to be childrens toys, to be pulled or pushed around. Maybe large enough to sit on and push with feet.
@hunterdunaway1354
@hunterdunaway1354 Год назад
“It was a ritual center” is how archeologists say “we have no idea.”
@richardliles4415
@richardliles4415 Год назад
Thank you Tina.,
@jackaubrey8614
@jackaubrey8614 Год назад
"The Hotspur", "The Hornet", "The Victor" - ahh! memories of growing up in the sixty's....nice backgound! :) And interesting video content....
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you! Hope you like my other videos too :-)
@bday56
@bday56 Год назад
A Voice of Reason - very refreshing!
@cherylberk4593
@cherylberk4593 Год назад
Thank you for your insightful, common sense explanations. You are, indeed, a Voice of Reason.
@RiannaRichardsOfficial
@RiannaRichardsOfficial Год назад
❤❤😮I’ve seen those handbags in Mesopotamian ruins, and the first time to see similar handbags in Turkey.
@Pagespinner
@Pagespinner Год назад
What an illuminating, instructive and stimulating lecture this is, among the best that RU-vid has to offer. One minor point: we English pronounce 'hearth' as 'harth'. This prevents confusion with 'earth'.
@SunRabbit
@SunRabbit Год назад
Your hunting club / house of bragging theory is definitely valid. These were covered houses since the 2 stones in the middle are always the tallest, but WHAT can explain the fact that all the stones have 2 components, a vertical one and a horzontal one laid on top? What advantage would that give them, as opposed to a monolithic pillar? Those handbags. Some say they were buckets but that's impossible since buckets always have flat bottoms, but we see handbags with both flat and rounded bottoms. The people depicted with the handbags also have what looks like a watch on the same hand as is carrying the handbag. The fermentation residue inside the stone vessels doesn't make any sense because that would only have brewed enough beer for 1-2 people. The Czech Republic (my country) has the oldest continuous beer-making history, and the old technology always utilised barrels made of oak, because the oak gives the beer an additional flavour that stone cannot. Of course, oak barrels wouldn't have survived 12,000 years. To this day, our most expensive beers, like Pilsner Urquell, are made in oak barrels. The cheaper beers are all made in steel containers. So many mysteries at Gobekli Tepek, and I'm glad you pointed out that there are many other similar sites like it throughout southeastern Turkey. That would have been ancient Babylon, where we get the world's oldest writing.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you for sharing with me. I appreciate it!
@billstapleton1084
@billstapleton1084 Год назад
We also find the "Handbag in Peru. When you look at the carvings, you notice that they are not craved into the stone, no, stone is removed to leave the animal or item. This is a sign of advanced artistry. In order to support an artist class of people you need a society that would include, Home builders, farmers, tool makers, tailors, religious leaders, you would need a civilization.
@cspencer3421
@cspencer3421 Год назад
I don't really have any set thought of what the bags are but I have seen that there's a relief of what looks like a Stegosaurus at Gobekli Tepe and I think the only other one I've heard of was maybe at Ankor Wat. I wonder if they were encountering animals that despite the timeline we've been told were still around. Actually on a side note I don't understand why there isn't more of a presence of even skeletal dinosaurs in any tombs or carvings or pictographs around-the-world. You would think they would have run into a skeleton here or there with the building that was done around the world. It is very strange to me. Thank you for your video.
@SG-js2qn
@SG-js2qn Год назад
Agreed, on many points. It's sensible that people lived at Gobekli Tepe (surely, at least the workers!), and that the glyphs are of everyday life, like what we find in a modern hunting lodge. Also, there's no way that animals make nests and burrows, and early humans did not. Humans may have done seasonal migrations where advantageous to do so, as birds do, but they would not be nomadic on a daily basis unless forced to do so (say, being chased by another tribe). FWIW, it seems likely that different early peoples kept foxes as pets, including the Gobekli people. As for the hunting bags, you might want to look into the Hittite kursa, which appears to be a sacred hunting bag. I guess it's like a cornucopia or "horn of plenty" type concept, crossed with other ideas, like a way of making a burnt offering type sacrifice. I'm no expert, but the word "kursa" probably means "skin," indicating what we'd think of as a leather bag, satchel, or modern purse, which a hunter would use to hold the cuts of meat he was carrying home. Basically, just like an agricultural picker's bag. The scenario I envision at the moment is that when the Indo-Europeans arrived in Anatolia they intermixed with the local people, picking up some of their strongest traditions, which in this case included the idea of the kursa. IE speakers would have arrived around 2500 BC, and proto-IE speakers may have arrived a thousand years or so before that.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
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@logothaironsides2942
@logothaironsides2942 Год назад
The pillar with the hands, belt and fox are surely depicting skins and products made from them. Maybe this large building was the tradespersons area. Maybe those who could produce these items, set up stalls within the area depending on the skill and those who would come and trade identified the goods to be sold based on the pictograms. In England before people could read, there were picture signs hung outside of building so that people could tell which trades were available based on the images alone.
@bob_btw6751
@bob_btw6751 Год назад
The Lord of the Rings movie set of Gondor used that idea as well, of shops showing pictures of their products. When glass came about for windows products where shown behind the glass, so, perhaps the buildngs surrounding the main structure advertised with stone carved pictures of the craftsmens products. It would not surprise me.
@wankerplutonium6671
@wankerplutonium6671 Год назад
Detroit here . I think your on target . Love all your great work !
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you for the support!
@csabo1725
@csabo1725 Год назад
Well if a wanker from Detroit agrees it must be true
@tiredofliars
@tiredofliars Год назад
I have watched two of your videos, and I find you to be very insightful and logical in your conclusions. Thank you for your extensive research.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you :-) I appreciate it. Hope you will enjoy my other videos too.
@deanedge5988
@deanedge5988 Год назад
By far the most rational and intelligent account of this remarkable site on RU-vid (or anywhere). A welcome antidote to the temptation to fit our astonishing neo-lithic ancestors into our fondness for staring at the heavens and making up fabulous stories. Thank you.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you for the support :-) Hope you will enjoy my other videos too.
@veronicapalmer5667
@veronicapalmer5667 Год назад
Tina, your perspective is brilliant! As a follower of all things ancient, you are the first person who demonstrated the simplicity and common-sense order of daily life that carries on to the present. I look forward to your other videos. I believe your perspective is a break-through in understanding our collective past since the Younger-Dryous. Thank you.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Wow - thank you! I really appreciate your support :-)
@seriousmunk7164
@seriousmunk7164 Год назад
I really appreciate your videos and your channel. Great work. Lots of clear thinking. I think your description of the column art is spot on. Of course they'd spend their time depiction their lifestyle and their world. One small note near the end of this video: while it seems strange to us that an ancient civilization would be obsessed with astronomy enough to construct such an elaborate depiction of constellations, we do have to remember that such depictions of celestial bodies and patterns are all over the planet. Why is a bit of a mystery, but there are few major cultures that didn't spend a lot of time in prehistory constructing very elaborate celestial depictions, often including moving huge stones. You may be right about the artwork being purely earthly, but it's worth leaving one's mind open based on how many other cultures did this.
@george1la
@george1la 11 месяцев назад
Your concept is as good as any other at this time. Why not. They were certainly advanced and not afraid of a lot of work. How did they do that work without modern tools? The carving is magnificent.
@craigcampbell6690
@craigcampbell6690 Год назад
This is My Thought... 😘. .Big Time...Luv U & Who You Are
@jarrettesselman8144
@jarrettesselman8144 Год назад
I mean this in the most respectful way, you are a gorgeous, curious being.
@petercbrandon
@petercbrandon Год назад
Great analysis! Very rational. Please keep up the good work!
@davidhill5897
@davidhill5897 Год назад
The bags you speak of are around the world in other ancient sites. South American and the like. I’ve often wondered what there meaning was. Thank you for your presentation.
@doc2help
@doc2help Год назад
Thanks so much. It remains to be explained how they learned, at the very dawn of modern civilization, to make such sophisticated structures and bas reliefs. Great work.
@trekpac2
@trekpac2 Год назад
Your common sense approach to analyzing hunter gatherer society is just great. I’m sure many of the hunter gatherer societies had permanent settlements. And I’m sure that people used handbags to carry a wide variety of items from place to place. Of course they did!
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you for the support :-) Hope you will enjoy the follow-up video on the "handbags" too: An Eye-opening Interpretation on Göbekli tepe “Handbags” & Vulture ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fEZrGBrnyTo.html
@paulphelps7809
@paulphelps7809 Год назад
Good presentation, much to think about here.
@code99code44
@code99code44 Год назад
❤ well put together, Researched, and presented.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you! Hope you will enjoy my other videos too :-)
@mikethomp1440
@mikethomp1440 Год назад
We need to finally drop the Hunter/gatherer label, and stop referring to people of that era only capable living hoof to mouth. This academic conjecture is false and stigmatizing. This is not to say that there were not paleo groups who lived by those means. Hell, they do today. But to label all humanity under that tired academic umbrella ☂️is flat out wrong. Time to start rewriting.
@josellorca9275
@josellorca9275 Год назад
Your new approach is so interesting. Thanks to brings to us such a logical point of view. I will wait your next handbags work. Greetings from Costa Rica 🇨🇷🇨🇷
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you :-) Here is the follow-up video: An Eye-opening Interpretation on Göbekli tepe “Handbags” & Vulture ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fEZrGBrnyTo.html
@jimmygoldenjr8946
@jimmygoldenjr8946 Год назад
Thank u for another great video! The way u describe and explain your views & the facts that u present are amazing and yet so simple .. I look forward to your next video!
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you Jimmy! Hope you will enjoy the follow-up video - An Eye-opening Interpretation on Göbekli tepe “Handbags” & Vulture ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fEZrGBrnyTo.html
@Digits-nf9fo
@Digits-nf9fo 4 месяца назад
I like your idea about the handbags as actual standardized weight systems for trade purposes. I suggest that Gobekli Tepe and the other settlements of that region were likely trade centers. I do believe they were enclosed. AThese settlements are in perfect proximity to large lake and river systems, teeming with wildlife. These are ideal conditions for trade of meats, bone tools, and obsidian. As trade centers, positioned hig up, they were easily obsrvable for traders, but also reasonable defended as high ground from probelmatic ones. The motifs on each pillar may simply represent the specialized trading building for specific products. In summary, I view Gobekli Tepe as a commerce center with many residents to support that effort.
@carlfreesr4810
@carlfreesr4810 Год назад
What archeaologists cannot see are the dwellings in the surrounding areas that would have been made of wood or hide. So it could be that the large settlement could have used the oval stone circles as community centers. And perhaps these oval circles could have been repurposed over the years. In any event Gobekli Tepe is an eye opener and we have only scratched the surface. The stone work suggests to me that these people had very good technical abilities and skills. But of course we don't know what they actually knew or what exact tools they used. your insights to this famous site are the best I have heard thus far. Thank You.
@RazvanMihaeanu
@RazvanMihaeanu Год назад
Yay, you're here!
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
:D
@mudiusp6050
@mudiusp6050 Год назад
Yay! More from one of my favorite youtubers, Curious Being!
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Good to see you! :-)
Год назад
a class in scientific thinking. rational arguments, based on analysis of indisputable evidence. I'm a big fan of your content. congratulations! however, regarding your hypothesis, I would like to counter-argument. Comparison with the New York hunting club is a great find, but there are animals on the gobleki pillars that would not be the most exemplary animals for demonstrating the hunter's courage, such as scorpions, spiders, birds and herbivores. A hunter wants to be remembered and honored for hunting a lion, a buffalo or even an elephant and not a small herbivore. on the other hand, a fundamental aspect of these stone reliefs is very little considered. I refer to the difficulty of carving the stone. Is very difficult! I suggest that those who disagree buy two pieces of granite or basalt and try to draw on one of them using the other stone as a tool. This will give you a little idea of the difficulty that is involved in creating reliefs like these. Bronze tools, for example, are not capable (bronze? Neolithic?) Not to mention the weight of the stone. Finally, without going any further, what is most striking about the "handbags" is the fact that they are recorded both in ancient Sumeria and in Central America. What kind of coincidence is this? Thank You!
@markusbroyles1884
@markusbroyles1884 Год назад
The beauty of Tina and her awesome interest in these topics and the quality of the subject matter is too cool for school. I'll be watching every one of these as they come in ~
@erickrueger2869
@erickrueger2869 Год назад
Great presentation of new info and photos of this site. I totally agree with your perspective on the interpretation of the "comet pillar'. I see nothing to indicate a comet. This is amusing because astronomical interpretations were once scoffed at by mainstream archaeologists and now they are seeing them everywhere like pareidolia, lol. Getting back to the handbag motif; the row of 'hand bag's on the Gobekli pillar seen here are not clear and unambiguous examples of this phenomenon. They may not fit the search criteria. Therefore; these are really not worthy of too much speculation. The one to focus on is the Olmec stela showing a man who actually is holding the bag. He is depicted in a reclined, 'ancient astronaut' posture, below a dragon. I would love to see what data you can excavate and interpret for that example. Thank you Tina.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you Eric. Yes, it might not be productive to speculate on these ambiguous reliefs. The Olmec handbag carvings is associated with a person along with the feathered serpent god. Though I haven't seen much information on it.
@colinchampollion4420
@colinchampollion4420 Год назад
Plus Aztec priests had those hand bags as well😮
@reavanante2160
@reavanante2160 Год назад
Thank you for your viewpoint. Whenever I see the Gobleki Tepe pillars, they remind me of the doorways in American Indian ruins of the Southwest. The same shape, just an empty space instead of a solid.
@bok2bok333
@bok2bok333 Год назад
I liked your point of why hunters and gatherers would likely settle where they find good source of supplies.
@tomcloud54
@tomcloud54 Год назад
Speaking of carrying water, I saw an archeologist who says the 'handbags' were simply buckets and he quoted texts that talk about them, and even name them. Could be, may be.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thanks Tom. You might be interested in this video - Sumerian gods’ "Handbags", Cones and the Mesopotamian “Tree of Life” - the Truth about all 3 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1vz_JDR67_U.html
@lenawagner6405
@lenawagner6405 Год назад
Thank you, very impressive and realistic rendering of discoveries. Like your take on the past🥳🥰💕‼️
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Glad that you liked it 😊 thank you for the support!
@johnwilson5637
@johnwilson5637 Год назад
Has anyone commented on the tiny figures carved next to the 'handles'? Or the carving below the 'handbags' which look similar to a DNA helix?
@JJ33438
@JJ33438 Год назад
excellent archeology analysis.
@GeecMcG
@GeecMcG Год назад
I'm not certain. But I have a theory that the pencil in the background is normal-sized and curious being is just very small. If not where did you get a giant pencil from? hehe
@DakiniDream
@DakiniDream Год назад
Ah yes, not only ancient tech is amazing, but also all the new one we get nowadays, isn't it ? 🤣🤣🤣
@katesisco
@katesisco Год назад
Just a short distance away an overflowing spring has been documented to be a communal site for thousands of years, which would be a forerunner for Gobekli Tepe. Permanent sources of water are recognized as essential for permanence as was Jericho.
@hawkbartril3016
@hawkbartril3016 Год назад
I'm only half way into your video and it's shaping to be the best info I've come across. It's easy to comprehend for the layman like me. So thankyou for a new very good video
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Glad to hear that :-) Btw I have a follow-up video specially on the "handbags" - An Eye-opening Interpretation on Göbekli tepe “Handbags” & Vulture ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fEZrGBrnyTo.html
@hawkbartril3016
@hawkbartril3016 Год назад
@@CuriousBeingbyTina yea I've heard of people interpreting the bags as a bucket of the day, which is a valid call, but who can say. So I am keen to see your next installment and what it reveals. Cool. Thanks for what you do. I've seen places that I otherwise would not of seen, and they amazing places at that, so that I can definitely thank you for
@robertbobbypelletreaujr2173
Excellent video and very logical hypothesis.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you kindly!
@wyleong4326
@wyleong4326 Год назад
Human nature is very consistent. I agree.
@BrickWilbur2020
@BrickWilbur2020 Год назад
Most beautiful work I have ever seen. :)😊
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you very much 😊
@markb.4977
@markb.4977 Год назад
Thank you for another well-reasoned video. I have thought that the many researchers who talk about these "handbags" have lumped them into a single category and never talk about the differences. In the carvings found in the Levant, like those carried by the Lamasu figures for instance, the "bags" have handles which are attached with rings (like some pails, or baskets) which can serve to insulate the handle from heat, for instance. The bags depicted on pillar 43 at Gobekli Tepe have handles which seem to be all one piece with the vessel. To me these are not all the same.
@markb.4977
@markb.4977 Год назад
I'm not sure if the lamasu actually carried them, but figures depicted by the ancient carvers there.
@janicegame2372
@janicegame2372 Год назад
We have handbags of every design imaginable maybe it’s just a different one!
@clareryan3843
@clareryan3843 Год назад
You are the best👍👍
@jamesstewart7224
@jamesstewart7224 Год назад
Bright star looking outside the experts so called " toolbox" ;) x
@jeroenbakker52
@jeroenbakker52 Год назад
I like your hypothesis. I always thought about far away cultures, we act the same way although we talk about it in very different ways.
@BrettDavidson-km8ku
@BrettDavidson-km8ku Год назад
Really interesting analysis.
@Sepia36912
@Sepia36912 Год назад
Good show
@joedegoff1430
@joedegoff1430 Год назад
Well done
@PeaceMarauder
@PeaceMarauder Год назад
It seems like a sort of class room to me. To teach the younger and initiate them into the knowledge obtained.
@iang1
@iang1 Год назад
2nd!!, will watch over the weekend!
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Hope you will like it!
@iang1
@iang1 Год назад
Yes, I liked it and think your logic is probably spot on Tina. However, I do think Andrew Collins makes a compelling case for the Cygnus link for pillar 43. The pillars could well contain all sorts of info not just animals that were hunted. I wonder if there are depictions of people hunting animals on any pillars. Plus, why the T shape?!. Author Freddy Silva points out the Armenian name for Gobekli Tepi, probably the oldest name, is Portasar. Port meaning umbilical cord or navel of the earth, asar being the name of Osiris!, 'umbilical cord of Osiris'. He also notes you can draw a straight line between the menkaure pyramid centre and Khufu pyramid's centre and extrapolate the line straight to the centre of Gobekli Tepi. I tried it on Google Earth and it works, it goes straight to the centre of the tent covering Gobekli Tepi!. So a connection with Giza, more to look into. I wonder if the three 'bags' of pillar 43 represent the pyramids or Orion's belt in some way...
@ludmilamuselikova8547
@ludmilamuselikova8547 4 месяца назад
V kultuře a civilizacích, mluvíme vždy o určité organizovanosti skupin, které se potřebují pro vzájemnou komunikaci rozlišovat a mít vymezený prostor. Neolitická kultura se vymezovala kruhovým prostorem a identifikovala reliéfy zvířat a kabelkami. Historicky reliéfy zvířat přešly až do záznamu jména a příjmení v matrice, záznamu prostoru v katastru a obojího na dveřích obydlí. Abychom snadněji pochopili vývoj neolitické symboliky, musíme přejít k pozdějším, početně větším kulturám např. mezopotamské a sumerské. Reliéfy zvířat přešly až do lidských postav se zvířecí hlavou. Přibyli bohové (zakladatelé) rodu s náramkem, v jedné ruce mají šišku vždy nahoře a ve druhé kabelku vždy dole. Šiška pokorně mění i polohu ze svislé na vodorovnou. Obecně šiška symbolizuje vědomí a pokoru k nadřazenosti přírody nad člověkem. Z matematicko-geometrického hlediska jsou šupiny šišky uspořádány do logaritmické spirály. Piniovou šišku vysokou 4 m opatruje Vatikán dodnes, aniž by se vnímal její symbolický význam jako pozůstatek neolitu. Kabelky dokumentují stav rodu a mají vlastnosti zlatého řezu; plocha zlatého čtverce bývá rozšířena dalším zvířetem až do zlatého obdélníka. Rukověť má tvar polokružnice, která spojuje vlastnosti čísla pí se zlatým řezem. Kabelky poskládané za sebou určují po sobě jdoucí generační cykly. Reliéf bývá doplněn stromem života, který v Egyptě dostal vlastní symbol. Dnes vzniká otázka nakolik je symbolika záznamu vědomá a nakolik intuitivní. Vnucuje se i myšlenka na civilizační posun rozlišení rodového stavu zvířetem, až do stavu kdy se zakladatel rodu stal bohem a nakonec člověkem, který vstal z mrtvých a vstoupil na nebesa, kde je dodnes.
@urielstud
@urielstud Год назад
Cool video 😊
@tiredofliars
@tiredofliars Год назад
I love how the carving of the cat demonstrates that the spine worked differently than other animals, truly displaying that it was a cat!
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
I made a follow-up video on this - hope you will find it interesting: An Eye-opening Interpretation on Göbekli tepe “Handbags” & Vulture ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fEZrGBrnyTo.html
@andrewruiz7894
@andrewruiz7894 Год назад
I agree that humans were most likely never hunter gatherers. Why would scientists assume that they had the same constellations as we did? That is a stretch in itself. No one will ever know the truth, just ppls opinion. We need a time machine
@unfixablegop
@unfixablegop Год назад
Come for the handbags, stay for the handbags cliffhanger. 🙂
@snowjoe43
@snowjoe43 Год назад
Your conjectures make a lot of sense!
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you! Here is the follow-up video - hope you will find it interesting: An Eye-opening Interpretation on Göbekli tepe “Handbags” & Vulture ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fEZrGBrnyTo.html
@albertoortiz3574
@albertoortiz3574 Год назад
I like your approach A different perspective for análisis Any and all logical analysis helps Thanks.
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you :-) Hope you will like my other videos too!
@RomoRooster
@RomoRooster 10 месяцев назад
Your channel is awesome, i was getting bored with RU-vid until today when i found you, never stop. Lol.... There's a variety of cultures and ways of living, today in our modern civilization we have nomads, hunter gatherers, and primitive cultures along with advanced cities. This is why I dismiss the blanket labels that all people were hunter gatherers in ancient times. It's a big planet and there's enough room for all cultures all the time.
@ckotty
@ckotty Год назад
Seriously the best line of thought I've heard so far. At least some pillars are telling stories, probably related and surely chronologically. Only that is serious food for thought. Also the hunter gathering business. Some places are, have been, blessed with food and water all year round, then why move? The proof,as you say, it's in the pudding. Only settled communities coul dedicate important efforts and resources to build anything that big and complex. Excellent thoughts, many thanks 👋🏽👋🏽👋🏽
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you very much for the support! Much appreciated ♥
@albertarens8101
@albertarens8101 Год назад
Great video, you took me back to our ancestors who really not differ from us. They spent there time surviving in the short duration of their lives, which meant: hunting hunting hunting all these animals. Thank you!
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you for the support. Hope you will enjoy my other videos too! :-)
@minedminemind5656
@minedminemind5656 Год назад
These sites may have been "trading communities", where technologies were "spread". I watched a video suggesting that the bags contained life giving resources.(ie new technologies to make crops more fertile). Trading communities would be a great place to spread such new technologies.
@nat7x7
@nat7x7 Год назад
To me these enclosures look like something related to families - two larger central pillars as parents, surrounded by children. As these were possibly build around the time of the great YD cataclysm, or shortly after, perhaps they represented surviving 'founder' families or tribes. Just a thought.
@geniexmay562
@geniexmay562 Год назад
I think that early cave drawings would also start as a way to keep the kids entertained 😀
@gUVUsKgUVUsK
@gUVUsKgUVUsK Год назад
. Could Göbekli Tepe, and the other contemporary settlements, be remnants of an antediluvian civilisation that survived because of their altitude, rather than the coastal cities that were all flooded? This would explain the 6,000 year gap between the Younger Dryas and the first (recent) civilisations in Sumeria, Indus, Egypt, Central America, etc., and that civilisation did not develop from Göbekli Tepe. (Could you please publish a bitcoin address for support?)
@justindupre7274
@justindupre7274 11 месяцев назад
I don't like how the carved pillars are in such contrast to the rest of the stonework, something don't seem right about it. I am a builder and I can't figure out what was going on there structurally. Awesome video, Thanks!
@jvs333
@jvs333 Год назад
Love your videos!! Never a disappointment
@CuriousBeingbyTina
@CuriousBeingbyTina Год назад
Thank you for the support! :-)
@jvs333
@jvs333 Год назад
@@CuriousBeingbyTina yes I love your videos! You are beautiful and very intelligent pleasure to watch
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