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GG vs 9P - SEMI-FINAL PLAYOFFS- ESL ONE BERLIN MAJOR 2023 DOTA 2
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@kristianstenerson2608
@kristianstenerson2608 Год назад
Since Quinn joined GG they are absolutely the best team by miles. We see them win their lanes, the game ends in 20 minutes. We see other teams focus Quinn and they comeback at 30 mins (Ace is the main factor for this on his heroes). They are just so good at playing from ahead and behind.
@neoaquatic9054
@neoaquatic9054 Год назад
yes. his tanky build save his team
@socrates1796
@socrates1796 Год назад
I think its more of ramzes fault if u watch closely
@ritsuboii2130
@ritsuboii2130 Год назад
​@@socrates1796 it's ace's fault actually. He's such a good laner
@antoniofaula5466
@antoniofaula5466 Год назад
The buyback into the glimpse at 7:10 guy was looking for revenge and got an entire dinner
@SyaitanBDO
@SyaitanBDO Год назад
Kiyotaka playing out of his mind, his back must have hurt so much from carrying the team
@truonghuy9611
@truonghuy9611 Год назад
Kiyotaka is carrying this whole team so hard. Man it looks so damn impossible to take down GG at this point
@kotarotovando4562
@kotarotovando4562 Год назад
imo ramzes lose the "psy war" with quinn. quinn has prove himself to have strong mentality after getting bullied the first 10 min in game 1
@yoyoniggsniggs6487
@yoyoniggsniggs6487 Год назад
OK its safe to say GG, they look absolutely unstoppable right now
@vince7597
@vince7597 Год назад
anyone with eyes can tell
@humanpeoplemanusia9700
@humanpeoplemanusia9700 Год назад
glad they respect kiyo tinker
@joselitocatlover4236
@joselitocatlover4236 Год назад
Liquid vs GG again and again 😆
@xerxesmontes9828
@xerxesmontes9828 Год назад
Respect that Game 1 comeback, I thought for sure they had lost.
@ritsuboii2130
@ritsuboii2130 Год назад
​@@xerxesmontes9828 yeah but they didn't
@syakirismail6736
@syakirismail6736 Год назад
ramzes on upper bracket not because of himself but being carried by kiyotaka
@renzie19
@renzie19 Год назад
Those tips backfired 9P's sooooo bad. Feels good for Quinn to have the last laugh. Quinn be like: You can tip all you want, but we'll take the series.
@Dubbsss13
@Dubbsss13 Год назад
Feels good man
@poker3276
@poker3276 Год назад
Skywrath getting glimpsed before dying then buyback right after won this teamfight. 7:15 That play is sick though they lose the game.
@airbornesnow4541
@airbornesnow4541 Год назад
sky didn't even mean to do that though LOL. he tried to TP
@The4HaunT
@The4HaunT Год назад
@@airbornesnow4541 yeah him getting glimpsed back wasnt his intention
@unwind3413
@unwind3413 Год назад
The glimpse buyback at 7:16
@DuduRossetto
@DuduRossetto Год назад
Quinn in that first game was literally an untiltable mountain
@abikarizma3826
@abikarizma3826 Год назад
GG is resembling prime PSG.LGD hope they keep their form till TI
@gegewillplayed5110
@gegewillplayed5110 Год назад
Then got beaten by unknown team in finals lmao
@PAKYULUL
@PAKYULUL Год назад
U mean old VP 🤣🤣
@michaelntjy
@michaelntjy Год назад
The current GG has the ability to adapt to meta changes very quickly. That's quite reassuring.
@DuongDo633
@DuongDo633 Год назад
Ramdog spam tipped CCNC and got destroyed lmao. Karma
@Nevermorepicker
@Nevermorepicker Год назад
depressekid/ kiyotaka's performance has been amazing, wonder if he'll be picked up by some big team in the future
@michaelntjy
@michaelntjy Год назад
If Team Spirit swapped Larl with Kiyotaka, they will instantly be a massive threat to every team.
@christopherpolly6805
@christopherpolly6805 Год назад
@@michaelntjy agreed
@user-ek2iy5bu7b
@user-ek2iy5bu7b Год назад
Kiyokata almost stopped Team Spirit from qualifying to TI10 and missed their TI10 trophy during the TI10 last chance qualification
@TouchMeHarD
@TouchMeHarD Год назад
I really want to see Kiyotaka to win and Ramzes to lose at the same time. 😅
@mbajao
@mbajao Год назад
Notail just laughing lmao but that last minute tip fron Quinn tho 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@hhh43016
@hhh43016 Год назад
Notail's reaction so pure and analysist always on point, good combo with OD's calls 😂😂
@strawhatkun6238
@strawhatkun6238 Год назад
18:52 20:10 don’t get how Ramzes constantly makes these mistakes at pro level, twice holds bkb & is punished heavily Deadweight
@Dubbsss13
@Dubbsss13 Год назад
Quinn and RamDog have a long dota history. They both hate each other. Quinn took it personally after RamDog tipped him. Quinn NA pride ❤
@Wayfarer17683
@Wayfarer17683 Год назад
Haha hard not to take it personally when Quinn was getting tipped over and over. How satisfying that last tip must have been for Quinn at the end of the game
@indrarz8819
@indrarz8819 Год назад
Kiyotaka definitely the best mid laner, he is showing it even while losing
@jonigahiga
@jonigahiga Год назад
I counted, Notail came more than 5 times.
@archerwarden2274
@archerwarden2274 Год назад
Lmao 😂
@whisperviz1346
@whisperviz1346 Год назад
"If you want to give ramzes mental damage, you tip him now" -notail
@14sianj97
@14sianj97 Год назад
Notail just screaming during the fights while OD pixel does a good commentary 😅
@marwangaming4708
@marwangaming4708 Год назад
I feel bad for kiyotaka in game 2, he did so well on that invoker and ramzes holding his bkb and being greedy probably cost them that game.
@whisperviz1346
@whisperviz1346 Год назад
if this is old quinn, GG would've lose game 1 and they will got stomped in game 2. They focused heavily on quinn on game 1, mass tiping him, he still stay calm, GG mass tip ramzes in the end, he tilted, game over for 9P lmao
@farrel_ra
@farrel_ra Год назад
Quinn other name is CCnC (Cool, Calm, n Collected), meanwhile Ramzes is Clear shampoo advertisement star and babyrage.
@hafizamx6280
@hafizamx6280 Год назад
9pandas become food panda real quick.
@synapse1771
@synapse1771 Год назад
6:30 to 7:30 throughout the fight all I can hear is notail making animal sounds HAHA
@Apos19
@Apos19 Год назад
Notail game analysis + reaction with odpixel play by play commentary is the best. Hahahaha
@alkentusalabami975
@alkentusalabami975 Год назад
Ramzes vs his own BKB
@gabrielpautu9975
@gabrielpautu9975 Год назад
Feel like the tp spot near the rosh pit is too good
@socrates1796
@socrates1796 Год назад
ramzee single handedly throw the game
@marcherano9167
@marcherano9167 Год назад
7:08 SM got glimpsed and BB to that location wait what
@xavierramirez6183
@xavierramirez6183 Год назад
its because glimpse is undispellable
@STOICedie1201
@STOICedie1201 Год назад
NGL Kiyotaka sunstrike accuracy is like an ai invoker always on point
@bookedroomer
@bookedroomer Год назад
GG endboss of dota right now
@VIXDOTA
@VIXDOTA Год назад
Appreciate the tip but we need some all chat xd elevator scene
@Puflito91
@Puflito91 Год назад
7:10 That buyback Puck style lol
@Yumpo.C
@Yumpo.C Год назад
Ramzes the new crystallis.....they really need a good pos1
@versusbattleph2336
@versusbattleph2336 Год назад
Ace is underrated, he is such a good pos 3
@farrel_ra
@farrel_ra Год назад
Agree!
@ritsuboii2130
@ritsuboii2130 Год назад
The game was so hyped despite it being only 2 games, im glad i watched it because it fking delivered
@mrsquadbot
@mrsquadbot Год назад
Was rooting for 9gag until GG flipped the game 1 disadvantage and returned the aggressive tipping by cash, now I want Quinn to win ti
@PauldyFishingVlog
@PauldyFishingVlog Год назад
Quinn needs to change his ingame name back to CCNC. Cool calm n collected. He is way different from before. I hate this man before but he did redeemed himself. Way to go!
@farrel_ra
@farrel_ra Год назад
Agree!
@eetfuk3571
@eetfuk3571 Год назад
I still remember that CCNC name when Miracle demolished all of them with his OD solo killed them all "CCNC IS DEAD" is the most noticeable call of that play.
@joseangelopanganiban4044
@joseangelopanganiban4044 10 месяцев назад
​@@eetfuk3571who cares thats like years ago
@eetfuk3571
@eetfuk3571 10 месяцев назад
@@joseangelopanganiban4044 a lot of people do. not just me, too many people that I couldn't name and count anymore.
@TheAngryDoctor92
@TheAngryDoctor92 Год назад
Notail background sounds while odpixel solo commentary haha
@Mr022588
@Mr022588 Год назад
It's dangerous for GG actually...if they win another major, it's a clear sign they won't win TI this year
@neoaquatic9054
@neoaquatic9054 Год назад
GG will win TI
@KhoaNguyen-cd3yx
@KhoaNguyen-cd3yx Год назад
There's hope for gg. One of the reasons why most major winner couldn't win TI at the same year was the shift in meta.Even slight meta changes like in 2022 made 2 major winner come 2nd and 4th. But GG is different, the meta shifting doesn't seem to affect them.
@archerwarden2274
@archerwarden2274 Год назад
We'll see
@michaelntjy
@michaelntjy Год назад
The current Gaimin Gladiators adapted to meta changes very quickly.
@anaranarrr7424
@anaranarrr7424 Год назад
I bet in TI teams will be more dangeroius than majors. Coz teams will be already have a counter strat and picks. There will be no big changes after currently patched 7.33b. So GG might be another lgd
@dota2vods715
@dota2vods715 Год назад
God knows why they keep choosing bh offlane it couldn't even help that much when defending. There's also our boi Ramzes322, the Tier SSS pos 1.🤣
@whisperviz1346
@whisperviz1346 Год назад
Because it's a very annoying hero, strong at laning phase too. But yeah, it's completely useless in late game fight and defense.
@yuuki3343
@yuuki3343 Год назад
You play aggressive as you can when playing bh. He's now a strong hero since you can double stun using his invis.
@eetfuk3571
@eetfuk3571 Год назад
@@yuuki3343 BH is a great skirmish hero, but not a defensive one.
@roarrrist
@roarrrist Год назад
whats up with the screen tearing throughout the tournament
@samymmohibby3508
@samymmohibby3508 Год назад
Ramzes singlehandedly throwing both games 💀
@rodrigovalenca_
@rodrigovalenca_ Год назад
first one yes, but the second one was all GG
@butchl.hidalgo1034
@butchl.hidalgo1034 Год назад
@@rodrigovalenca_ both games he throwed, the 2nd game mk didn’t press bkb get sundered by Tb thats the throw you can hear it from notail
@Marauderdoto
@Marauderdoto Год назад
​@@butchl.hidalgo1034 sunder pierces bkb
@thetrashman5258
@thetrashman5258 Год назад
That buyback glimpse at 7:11
@samymmohibby3508
@samymmohibby3508 Год назад
Holy shit nice
@AyratHungryStudent
@AyratHungryStudent Год назад
Nice catch and an amazing play by the Sky.
@miko8681
@miko8681 Год назад
Karma sure loves ramdog.
@Th3De3je
@Th3De3je Год назад
7:09 the glimpse buyback gave them the advantage tho hahahaha
@Thongngominh
@Thongngominh Год назад
GG too strong, they will replace PSG.LGD in the pass to become TI runner up.
@whisperviz1346
@whisperviz1346 Год назад
Ti curse, the winner always the team that didn't won any major and once you win it, you will join the ti fluke gang the next season. lol
@danny_the_soulkatcher
@danny_the_soulkatcher Год назад
Game 1, Ramzes has eye of skadi against zero heals, TA who doesn't run but wants to manfight you and ember with high mobility. Imagine if he went for scepter instead, he would have a good spell against TA's refraction and ember's flame guard. Skadi is absolutely useless in this game.
@rizalfauzi8395
@rizalfauzi8395 Год назад
In Game 1, if its Pub, Quinn will afk, and type “end” to the dire. But why he has strong mentality in this pro scene? Im very confuse. Props to GG
@DenLim123
@DenLim123 Год назад
Money? Normal pub nothing to lose other than mmr, lol
@markheymans9029
@markheymans9029 Год назад
The level of dota is higher. You can commit to the struggle. Pubs random 4 dogs to play with. There is a clip of Yapzor explaining this to gorgc.
@upgemynd
@upgemynd Год назад
Because they have a plan to follow. In pubs it's wild, and there's nothing to lose other than some digital numbers.
@CurrentlyOffliner
@CurrentlyOffliner Год назад
Sure you can name many factors but most important is hes playing with friends that are top tier players possibly best at their roles at least currently. He sees 4 of hes teammates more than hes family there is no way you can disrespect their efforts or just not trust them to be able carry your dead weight. If not for anything (money ,dpc points etc.) you have to try your best for just to be able face your teammates , coach and other team staff. When it's pubs it's just 4 random guy that you will never come face to face. It's like the question "would yo take 1m$ if you know some random guy going to die" so many says yes but if you ask it like "would you take 1m$ if you know your mother going to die" whoopsie doopsie big NO. It's such a selfish mentality but that applies almost everyone peoples don't respect or care about other peoples.
@rizalfauzi8395
@rizalfauzi8395 Год назад
@@CurrentlyOffliner yeah but he is notorious for afk-ing when he’s lane go south, maybe thousand of hours he do afk in pub in situation like game 1. I thought it will be he’s habbit when game is unfavourable, but i completely wrong after see game 1.
@peterdango4513
@peterdango4513 Год назад
i can feel quinns smile at the end
@TaeNyFan
@TaeNyFan Год назад
MASSIVE CHOKE BY RAMZES666
@kimestrella3876
@kimestrella3876 Год назад
7:10 what happen to skywrath? instant tp? or glimpse?
@giannriccilacorte8100
@giannriccilacorte8100 Год назад
while he is being glimpse back he buyback immediately and his hero go back to his position where the glimpse back has landed check carefully
@AddictedtoDotaAndFifa
@AddictedtoDotaAndFifa Год назад
1. 18:44 Invoker didn’t even ready with his alacrity after the summons of his forged spirit, plus he’s using his bkb 1 sec earlier before silencer’s silence. 2. 18:46 Bounty hunter cancelling his right click at first, before right clicking once and ran away after that silence. 3. 18:48 Ramzes not using his BKB after that silencer’s silence. 4. 18:49 His teammates ran away after that silence from silencer, without right clicking that TB, without realizing they’re currently inside MK’s wukong. No one would’ve fight inside MK’s ult though. Panic run from all of his teammates 😂 5. 18:51 1 right click from CM and BH would’ve killed TB and wasted his aegis, and changed the outcome of that fight
@ducklinasmart6822
@ducklinasmart6822 Год назад
😂
@KpecT18
@KpecT18 Год назад
All the statements above make no sence, all the given moments happened literally inside 7 sec window so it's totally fine for everyone to miss something... But Ramzes If only this BKB was active, TB vould've been forced to search for another target, rotate his model, do something else, this is the time window Pandas were looking for I'm really mad coz theres literally not a single reason not to use it, he had plenty of time, it was a really important kill, protection from unexpected avalanches, blastoffs etc Get yourself together Roman -.-
@tulgatuvaanjav4107
@tulgatuvaanjav4107 Год назад
​@@KpecT18 no, bkb changed now you can press sunder on bkb. dyrachio would have been full hp nevertheless, but ramzess would have been full hp instead of 20% hp i guess. Still nothing changes for that fight. Full hp TB killing heros
@hhh43016
@hhh43016 Год назад
Ur so good bro, try become pro dota team analyst u might become millionaire.
@AddictedtoDotaAndFifa
@AddictedtoDotaAndFifa Год назад
@@KpecT18 he used his ult for that fight. Of course he wanna save his bkb for TB’s second life. Because they’re thinking it’s a 100% kill on that TB for his aegis. Skywrath can also use his ult to kill that TB. Dyaracho’s teammates literally ran away after that silence because they’re in MK’s wukong. No opponent would fight inside MK’s ult, unless you wanna give an easy kill. You can see all GG players stay away from that wukong (even silencer already used his ult), and they’re letting dyaracho die alone. They just turned back once they saw he’s alive because of that sunder.
@justrob1453
@justrob1453 Год назад
@7:09 that was a cool buyback, he was glimpsed.
@blase9786
@blase9786 Год назад
I was about to ask if they patched buyback? He was indeed glimpsed.
@jatjatflores4811
@jatjatflores4811 Год назад
Sky didn't even notice it until he cancels his tp. Lol
@neelasmr6171
@neelasmr6171 Год назад
Lol foodpanda tips in game 1 was really crazy. Also ramdog666 still has problem using bkb in both games😂😂😂
@archie7288
@archie7288 Год назад
Team GG are very clean, focused, still making a comeback in game 1 against bounty & agressive rotation from pandas, they still dominate with this new patch, well deseverve won this major
@dzk6714
@dzk6714 Год назад
What a chokejob by ramzes, both games he choked hard with his bkb
@DelibalFragman1
@DelibalFragman1 Год назад
no wonder game 1 was lost with that bloodseeker build , like how tf you thought it would make you man up vs TA
@adesign00
@adesign00 Год назад
i rly love this scene from game 1, karma for ramzezzzzz lul
@Kuj0Jotar0
@Kuj0Jotar0 Год назад
Ramzez with the rookie mistake. That invo was amazing tho
@meena4780
@meena4780 Год назад
The skywrath buyback into glimpse
@theacme3
@theacme3 Год назад
i bet that in game one, 9Pandas thought they are just 3 days away from victory.
@landzfernandez5623
@landzfernandez5623 Год назад
crazy comeback.. 👍🏼👌🏼
@edwinedwz
@edwinedwz Год назад
S class play by quin
@abdallahsaadeh3910
@abdallahsaadeh3910 Год назад
9pandas throw game 1 But team GG is the greatest i think they will be next IT winners
@duck2570
@duck2570 Год назад
Dubu is the type of guy singing a song with alcohol during Berlin major
@thetrashman5258
@thetrashman5258 Год назад
hes Asian
@neoaquatic9054
@neoaquatic9054 Год назад
15:54 WTF roshan. XD
@CssHDmonster
@CssHDmonster Год назад
god its so nice to hear a unbiased crowd
@Miracle_971
@Miracle_971 Год назад
They throw game1 Gg is great team
@Tadzmania79
@Tadzmania79 Год назад
I really thought 9P will win game one hahaha. Too bad gg knows how to counter their plays
@JRClips6
@JRClips6 Год назад
early tipping on 9pandas not respecting gg karma is real.
@yuuki3343
@yuuki3343 Год назад
It's a way of getting things spiced up.
@JRClips6
@JRClips6 Год назад
@@yuuki3343 ikr, my point is tipping them really hard because they got the lead in early game is not cool and ended up losing the game. 🤪
@boltavoltabolt
@boltavoltabolt Год назад
Kiyotaka so good
@inoticedyou9855
@inoticedyou9855 Год назад
poor kiyotaka :( hope to see more of his games
@really0213
@really0213 Год назад
kiyotaka can only carry ramzes so far bruh he need to learn to carry his own weight
@osirisundergod2446
@osirisundergod2446 Год назад
how did skywrath come into fight instantly after buyback at 7:11?
@Efecretion
@Efecretion Год назад
Because valve programmers are dumb AF and don't know how to remove all temporary affects from a dead hero. Glimpse persists through death. FFS, valve programmers are F%@$ing bad
@user-ek2iy5bu7b
@user-ek2iy5bu7b Год назад
@@Efecretion It's a free game, pls don't complain
@budisuryahalim6981
@budisuryahalim6981 Год назад
glimpse
@nenisumiati1897
@nenisumiati1897 Год назад
Are u blind or what ? He got glimpse
@marwangaming4708
@marwangaming4708 Год назад
@@nenisumiati1897 Dude chill, why insult him when he just missed something that insignifcant?
@Mac-ek8ug
@Mac-ek8ug Год назад
that's a real definition of karma
@phantomplex
@phantomplex Год назад
Why? I don't have context
@Siawaseninaritai302
@Siawaseninaritai302 Год назад
This game is hilarious
@justinezapata8556
@justinezapata8556 Год назад
is 9pandas is the new Virtus pro?
@eetfuk3571
@eetfuk3571 Год назад
whenever Ramzes is there, it's new VP. and they will throw endlessly every single time lol.
@infernodrk
@infernodrk Год назад
You have to love Notail`s commenting.... ohhh, omg, uh-oh, aaaa
@agenty8439
@agenty8439 Год назад
Quinn proving he's CCNC
@christiannisperos2666
@christiannisperos2666 Год назад
Lots of moments when 9Pandad could've turned a fight if only ramzes timed his BKB perfectly 😪
@daveladera7875
@daveladera7875 Год назад
Ramzes should be out in 9pandas. He literally ruined the game.
@emiliamitsuya6644
@emiliamitsuya6644 Год назад
12:07 aww look at little rodjer raging
@pacson
@pacson Год назад
18:43 invo no meatball?
@1am2strong4you
@1am2strong4you Год назад
kiyotaka is the next miracle
@CurrentlyOffliner
@CurrentlyOffliner Год назад
Hopefully he only takes after Miracle early career and don't become washed up at just 22 y.o lol
@Name-bo4ox
@Name-bo4ox Год назад
I haven't watched and followed dota lately, may I know who in this team (Gaimin Gladiators) played a very strong role so that this team became so great?
@legendarypipo7354
@legendarypipo7354 Год назад
u can see their name in the game. u blind or what
@bibecool2306
@bibecool2306 Год назад
Its definitely quinn, the team got elevated so much when he joined in
@spoofbot4495
@spoofbot4495 Год назад
@@legendarypipo7354 I'm really sad for you. Life must be hard when you lack basic intellect and primary school comprehension.
@plainseed
@plainseed Год назад
​@@legendarypipo7354 this is how the dota2 community treating new player and returning player. Okay you smart you good at reading so all yours man
@Name-bo4ox
@Name-bo4ox Год назад
@@legendarypipo7354 your iq is not enough to discuss and comment on this community, go back to your stupid habitat 🤡
@NhatNguyen-577
@NhatNguyen-577 Год назад
7:11 sky bought back and instantly tped to the fight wtf? That's not toss or anything???
@thaddeusaldrinreyes9341
@thaddeusaldrinreyes9341 Год назад
glimpse then bought back
@markl2007
@markl2007 Год назад
he got glimpsed
@NhatNguyen-577
@NhatNguyen-577 Год назад
@@thaddeusaldrinreyes9341 Thanks. Was expecting them to save their skills for other targets instead of a dead sky. xD
@knzdespair
@knzdespair Год назад
that was a big brain play right there
@b_lye
@b_lye Год назад
@@knzdespair he did not do it on purpose, you can see him tp and realising that he is back in the fight
@waiyankyaw5145
@waiyankyaw5145 Год назад
Keep picking that bh offlane and then buy aura. So useless in team fights later on.
@thechargeblade
@thechargeblade Год назад
Tipping is part of the game, but you know if you try to tilt them by tipping, your skill is just not good enough to beat them.
@yuuki3343
@yuuki3343 Год назад
It's actually a strategy.
@BraveGuardian
@BraveGuardian Год назад
Quinn vs Ramzes this is the duel
@dimasfazlur5926
@dimasfazlur5926 Год назад
lmao bugged roshan😂😂😂
@joblack1373
@joblack1373 Год назад
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@Matt-gu8pz
@Matt-gu8pz Год назад
I was saying that kiyotaka deserves a way better carry instead of ramzess and his fangays where mocking me what about now?
@ksy6177
@ksy6177 Год назад
I mean these people have not been to a major since 2018. And now 2nd 3rd place. U also said sumail and mc were so good yet crashed out so early how to explain?
@mamigenit5850
@mamigenit5850 Год назад
GG make a pro player like a Noob
@peterdango4513
@peterdango4513 Год назад
queen aka seaseainc and dierichu are the best
@user-sx5gj7bz3i
@user-sx5gj7bz3i Год назад
Ramdog
@floyddominique3731
@floyddominique3731 Год назад
notail with his random noises ..........
@kyonhei
@kyonhei Год назад
moaning noises 😂
@omen66baru84
@omen66baru84 Год назад
All of the members of GG are way too good in their own way..
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