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Gain block RF Amplifiers - Building and Testing [2/2] 

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#213 In this video I continue working on the gain block amplifier I simulated last time, by building it and doing some practical tests. Although its not perfect, it does provide usable performance by enhancing some of the weaker signals.
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FET DC operating point: • Setting the operating ...
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@markboldyrev8321
@markboldyrev8321 5 месяцев назад
I think it would be nice to also demonstrate a measurement of the linearity of this amplifier (2/3rd order intercept, P1db).
@zapo1034
@zapo1034 5 месяцев назад
I found your channel some days ago and i am fascinated how good your videos are! I struggled finding enjoyable electronics/engineering videos and now i have finally found something
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 5 месяцев назад
I'm happy you are enjoying my content! I will try to keep it up :D
@alaricsnellpym
@alaricsnellpym 5 месяцев назад
Damn, I want to build one now!
@donepearce
@donepearce 5 месяцев назад
Maybe it is time to discuss noise figure. This is the key parameter that determnes the effect of an amplifier.
@xenoxaos1
@xenoxaos1 3 месяца назад
That's a good shield idea!
@urgtuiop5455
@urgtuiop5455 5 месяцев назад
It would be interesting to see a simple cascode implementation of the amp for comparison.
@bob_mosavo
@bob_mosavo 5 месяцев назад
Ha! I was going to suggest a cascode implementation until I read your comment! I second the cascode implementation 👍👍
@PhG1961
@PhG1961 5 месяцев назад
Great video and even more great ingenuity! Btw, I would suggest a washer to close the gaps on both ends of the tube. With some tinkering, this will look very nice!
@curtstacy779
@curtstacy779 5 месяцев назад
Great video as always Fesz!
@nidhinbenny7975
@nidhinbenny7975 5 месяцев назад
Hey man, love your videos. Would you be interested in making a video about your journey in electrical engineering? How you got started, how you gained all this knowledge etc… would love to know that kind of stuff too. Just wanted to say thanks again for all the awesome stuff you do- you have taught me a lot!
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 5 месяцев назад
I tried to give some details in my "4 year special" video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XWTfEEJtI58.html . I have no plans to do anything more detailed at the moment...
@nidhinbenny7975
@nidhinbenny7975 4 месяца назад
@@FesZElectronics thanks. Good luck with future videos.
@gregwmanning
@gregwmanning 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video Id be interested in learning more about build the BPFs
@bob_mosavo
@bob_mosavo 5 месяцев назад
There are a lot of videos on RU-vid about building BPFs 😉
@bobdoritique7347
@bobdoritique7347 5 месяцев назад
Many thanks for this video. I certainly have a stupid question, but I will be interested to see in another video how you obtained the input/output impedance, amplifier gain, amplifier reverse isolation diagrams please? (if it is possible)
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 5 месяцев назад
The diagrams are directly obtained in the VNA control software - I used nanoVNA-saver. I connected the vna to my pc trough a USB cable, and then I control it with the program.
@m1geo
@m1geo 5 месяцев назад
Very nice, Fesz.
@bob_mosavo
@bob_mosavo 5 месяцев назад
Thanks, FesZ 👍
@ivanlam1304
@ivanlam1304 5 месяцев назад
Brilliant videos, and as you say if you use a gain block, "where's the fun in that"?
@vincei4252
@vincei4252 5 месяцев назад
Interesting. The BFU520YX on Digikey is a dual NPN 10GHZ transistore.
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 5 месяцев назад
I used the BFU520AR; its the single transistor version in SOT23 package.
@vincei4252
@vincei4252 5 месяцев назад
@@FesZElectronics Ah, gotcha. Thank you.
@pilobond
@pilobond 2 месяца назад
Just found your channel and very excited. Could you share how you measured the output impedance with NanoVNA? Basically bias the circuit as usual and do S11 on the output port??
@bsuryasaradhi6816
@bsuryasaradhi6816 5 месяцев назад
I love you❤, if i had money i would have donated, i will donate once i go university
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 5 месяцев назад
don't worry, I'm just happy you are enjoying the content! Also keep up your education, that is more important
@bsuryasaradhi6816
@bsuryasaradhi6816 5 месяцев назад
Brother can you do a video on regenerative recievers, designing them and understanding their principles have always been a mystery and there are very less detailed videos on the internet regarding such regen recievers
@bsuryasaradhi6816
@bsuryasaradhi6816 5 месяцев назад
Brother can you do a video on regenerative recievers, designing them and understanding their principles have always been a mystery and there are very less detailed videos on the internet regarding such regen recievers
@Odud_rg
@Odud_rg 3 месяца назад
Thanks for videos, they are very useful. What software do you use for schematic and pcb design?
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 3 месяца назад
Lately I have been playing around with CircuitMaker.
@iholland
@iholland 5 месяцев назад
Love your videos. Repeat of question from part 1: what was your design process to get 50 Ohms in and out impedance?
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 5 месяцев назад
You can start with the generic formula for input and output impedance of the common emitter amplifier; but after that the finetuning is easiest done in the simulator - try multiple values until you get closer and closer to the desired ones.
@anlpereira
@anlpereira 5 месяцев назад
@@FesZElectronicsdo you have such video of building a NPN common emitter amplifier? Thanks
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 5 месяцев назад
I did actually make a series on both the various connections as well as biasing transistors - for the common emitter this is the first ep: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-D-76AL5fijE.html
@iholland
@iholland 4 месяца назад
Thanks @@FesZElectronics I'll work through an example or two at VHF.
@woodrowbeckford7610
@woodrowbeckford7610 5 месяцев назад
You must have removed the 20db attenuator in order to measure the out Z parameters.
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 5 месяцев назад
Indeed, for the output impedance it was removed; I had to use the attenuator only for the amplifier input
@rjordans
@rjordans 5 месяцев назад
With a 10dB attenuator and a nanovna you can still make usable measurements in this band. Just calibrate the analyzer with the attenuator in place and you'll get the graph out nicely
@grumble2009
@grumble2009 5 месяцев назад
Are you using special RF relays? Latching or non?
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 5 месяцев назад
For this application I just used a random non-latching relay I had in my old box of parts; As long as the frequency is low enough it should not matter; anyway, the only modification I made to the relay though was to add some copper tape on its outside to act as a bit of shielding.
@paulcohen1555
@paulcohen1555 4 месяца назад
What is the SMD marking on the BFU520 transistor?
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 4 месяца назад
It seems to be "HZW". Out of curiosity, why do you ask?
@paulcohen1555
@paulcohen1555 4 месяца назад
@@FesZElectronics I want to try building such an amplifier and I am wondering if maybe I will find it in the analog TV tuners I have.
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 4 месяца назад
I would recommend that you take a whatever transistor you have and if you have a simulation model, just try to adjust the values in the circuit simulator to get the desired effect. I would not rely on the marking on small smd transistors since usually there is no clear rule that they follow... in the olden days if it wrote "BF200" you knew it was a BF200 transistor, but now, its just some random set of characters, and each manufacturer just uses something different...
@electrofan7180
@electrofan7180 5 месяцев назад
What is difference between Zin and Z11 in LTSpice? They are different values! (at least in my case) How to measure Zin with nanoVNA? It seems like Z11 (from LTspice) = S11 |Z| (from nanoVNA). But it is not Zin from LTSpice.
@FesZElectronics
@FesZElectronics 4 месяца назад
By definition the Z11 and Z21 are obtained when the second port is left open; when measuring Zin, the second port will be connected to whatever load is in the circuit - I think this is why you are getting different results. For example, I simulated a basic 20db resistor attenuator (40.9; 10.1; 40.9 R) with the second port being connected to a 50R resistor which is the output port load. the Zin param is exactly 50R and Z11 is 51 -> for Z11 the ouput port is left floating (the 50R resistor in disconnected); but for Zin its left in the circuit.
@electrofan7180
@electrofan7180 4 месяца назад
@@FesZElectronics Thank you sir! I had a couple of dead "spf5189z" chinese LNA modules. Both was modified (by me) with protection diodes on input, current limiting resistor and TVS diode on power line but anyway just died from static when I touched something of my gear (not even LNAs directly). So I decided to use these boards to make my own LNAs. I used bfg591 transistors. I connected it like original ic: collector - to inductors, emitters - directly to ground and base - to input capacitor. Then I picked a resistor from collector to base to set dc bias current within 50-60 mA (for best perfomance according to datasheet). And that's it. Such solution worked well judging from what I saw in SDR software (at 70 cm there was 8-10 db of gain, very similar to "spf5189z" thing). But it worked well only with my homebrew BPF (I use it on 70 cm band). Without BPF it works very bad due to extreme gain around 100 MHz band. I don't have any attenuators for my nanovna to properly test S21. I didn't tried to make my own because I doubt that homebrew attenuator can work well at such high freq. So I tried to carefully measure S21 with low voltage supply. At ~100 MHz I got over 17 db gain with just 2V supply! So I decided to not go further to not blown up input of my nanovna. Then, thanks to your videos, I figured out that Zin (S11|Z|) of my LNA is too low. I didn't change original 100pF input-output capacitors. In LTSpice I found that I need 8.2 pF cap to get 50 ohm Zin at around 440MHz. But in reality I picked 4.7pF cap to get 46-47 ohm Zin on 70 cm band (actually nanovna measured 8 pF series C so it is close to simulation, those extra 3 pF are parasitic). I don't know how to measure Zout with nanovna (probably you can explain?) so I just picked 10 pF for output cap like in my simulation. Also I realized that instead of attenuator I can safely measure S21 of my LNA just in series with BPF because gain on 70cm band is not that big. Finally, after all, I got 14+ db gain at 70 cm! It is significally better than "spf5189z" suddenly dying thing. I can't measure noise floor with generic common SDR receiver but it seems like it is also a bit better or at least not worse. So I got really nice LNA with simple circuit. Thanks to channels like yours I begin to understand deeper sorts of magic. Thank you again!
@mr1enrollment
@mr1enrollment 5 месяцев назад
but that is not fun,... yup
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