To be fair, all he did was worry about his legacy and that of his house. He didn't really play the game to take control himself; we was too old for that. He did want his house to remain the strongest.
Actually Tywin did not succeed, his family name is turnished forever because he did not care about his children and only pushed them to do what he wanted and they turned to each other, and the only child gifted in politics he ignored, and he died penniless on a shithole...
And people miss this. But back then I knew it. Arya didn't kill him because she had grown to care about him, and put on a facade as if she didn't. So sad.
"The Children" Tywin learns the truth about his children and gets killed by one of his children; Daenerys has to imprison her children; Bran gets saved by the Children (of the Forest).
Arya, Sansa and Bran are all now independently on their own adventures far from home - the Stark children (except for Rickon, who already left with Osha on his own independent adventure). Hey, at least Tyrion's murder of Tywin could bring him some relief after that comment by Cersei. Patricide beats incest, especially when it's personal, so by killing him, Tywin could die with the knowledge that Tyrion (having now "killed both of his parents") recemented his place as "worst" of all Tywin's kids.
If you think about it Tyrion paid his debt to Oberyn by killing his father. Oberyn fought for Tyrion because he wanted to get the people responsible for his sisters and her children's death. Tywin gave the order to kill them. So intentionally or unintentionally, A Lannister Always Pays His Debts.
Tywin who was an absolutely dignified character, died in the most embarrassing way. In the privy with his pants down trying to get through constepation.
Love him or hate him Tywin was a great character. Cersei is ruthless for power, Tyrion is very smart and great at political maneuvering and Jaime is a good military man. Tywin possessed all these traits himself. That is why he was such a formidable character.
Idk man, he sacrificed his honor trying to end Robb in the red wedding. If he was such a good military man and could defeat him himself he would have done so.
Nikki: "They're just saying this because they don't wanna say they care." Brienne: "That's what you're doing? Watching over her?" Hound: "Aye, that's what I'm doing." The closest to an addmittence that you're ever gonna get.
Just a little tidbit but Varys said back in season 2 that he hated the sound of church bells ringing since it usually meant something bad had happened. This time it was Tywins death that set the bells ringing.
The skeletons fighting Bran's group were just regular wights like the rest of the dead bodies we've been seeing, but they were a little more decayed than the rest because they've been under that snow for a looong time
Colin Faust Naw, when the dead are animated, they could be in any form... just killed, decaying, or skeleton. They are animated in their current state.
*Director, *you're I don't think anyone is looking too deeply into it, these supernatural creatures have been in the show since the first episode, and this is just another instance where they appear.
Season 4 is clearly the centerpiece of the series. It shows what separates the opposing sides underneath Baelish's ladder of chaos: the Starks are stronger as a pack, but when the Lannisters are together they weaken each other. It's even bookended that way. Tywin (in his sword-melting opening scene) believes that he's finally secured the Lannister name as forever feared. By the end of his life he's witnessed this lie of a legacy crumble to dust due (ironically) to the way he's treated his own family. Nothing about that is strong; in fact the bitter soul inside Tywin is pitiful. You can tell how much fun the writing staff had with this season. Usually it's head writer Benioff & Weiss that get all the fun, but Bryan Cogman got to shine penning Tyrion's trial and the roller-coaster dialogue of the varying testimonies. George R.R. Martin (in what's probably his last turn adapting his own books) picked the best moments for the Purple Wedding and planted clues for seasons 5 to 7 that I dare not spoil. The directors are also to be commended. Alex Graves landed the three meatiest episodes ("The Lion and the Rose", "The Mountain and the Viper", "The Children") with tonal perfection and they could stand on their own as a trilogy of political drama. Neil Marshall (whose horror film "The Descent" I highly recommend) helmed an episode-long battle that's almost as great as his work on "Blackwater". And the performances! Confidence kicking in all around from those whose characters have survived this far. Sophie Turner (Sansa) shows the most growth and pulls off a true surprise. Lena Headey (Cersei) has set herself up to become chief antagonist, reinforcing what should've been obvious. Peter Dinklage (Tyrion) proves once and for all why he deserves his shitload of Emmy nominations. My one qualm is that Maisie Williams (Arya, my favorite character) didn't get as much screen time.
If u remember when jojen and bran were caught in crasters keep by the nights watch men...in a scene jojen's hand caught fire....meaning he saw his death..he saw himself burning....in this episode when the kid thre the fireball at jojen...it had to be done...
Nikki, you asked if Arya was going home. The captain of the ship said to her that he was headed to the free city of _Bravos._ Just wanted to make sure you recalled that. *Valar Morghulis...Valar Dohaeris.*
It kinda made it look like as soon as he received the coin and the phrase that he would do anything for her. The way he said she could have her own place on the ship.....but yes I understand now. - Nikki
@@NikkiStevenReact When Arya met Jaqlyn H'gar (or whatever his name was xD) last time he offered her to teach her to be the Faceles Man but she declined saying that she has to go back to her family. Her mother that loves her, er brother and Winterfell - home. He gives her the coin so she can find him when she wants in the future. Now, at this point in the story she lost everything that she wanted to go back to. Mother and brothers dead (since noone knows that Bran and Rickon survived) and Winterfell in ruin. So she decides that going to Braavos and learning is her best option.
RIP Tywin, my favorite character in the show. Charles Dance did such an amazing job portraying Tywin. I liked Tywin in the books, but flat out loved him in the show thanks to Charles' performance.
@Age of The Witch. I just heard them making an analogy in one of their GoT reaction videos about entertainment "wrestling". I have no idea why 2 adults would know that much about entertainment "wrestling", and it would be a go-to reference in understanding the relationship between characters in GoT. I enjoy watching random people grow to love a great story and relate it to their lives and perspective. Politics, religion, sexual orientation... entertainment wrestling.... all these things we struggle to discuss as a society, especially, with those we would otherwise never speak to because of disagreement, are made easier if talked about through the lens of GoT. And... I was busting their proverbial balls. lol
Fun fact: the finale aired on Father’s Day in 2014. Another Emmy Award worthy performance for Peter Dinklage! The reason he didn’t leave immediately was Tyrion wanted to confront Tywin on why he sentenced him to die knowing he was innocent. Tyrion was willing to risk his chance of escape to gain closure on the issue. Some months later after Father’s Day, they showed the last two episodes of Season 4 in select IMAX theaters! The surround sound system was incredible! Because of that and even though I already seen it, the sound of that crossbow going off startled me! Jumped out of my seat a little.
Incredible acting by Peter Dinklage this season, I think it was the best acting he did in the entire series. However he unfortunately did not win an Emmy for this season. The writers and people who vote all hard a hard on for breaking Bad’s final season so Breaking Bad took a bunch of Emmy’s including the best supporting actor
In the book he had a further reason, when he was younger he'd run away and married a commoner named Tysha. Later, Jaime said she was just a prostitute that he paid, and Tyrion believed that no one could ever truly love him. Later when Jaime frees Tyrion, he reveals that the girl was what she seemed to be, not a whore, and Tywin had commanded him to lie about it. In spite, Tyrion lies to Jaime, claiming he poisoned Joffrey. Then when Tyrion confronts Tywin, he asks what happened to Tysha, where she went. "Wherever whores go" *thunk* Tyrion spends the next book wondering if every place he visits in Essos might be the place where whores go.
Arya couldn't save the Hound and she didn't want to kill him either. I think maybe this was a sign that he had earned her respect and they were friends now. I kind of saw the Hound as a father figure watching over her. Now a new journey begins...
Just in case there are people who miss subtle but amazing details in this show... Around 2:27, where the CotF throws the fireball at Jojen's body, they take the time to have the reflection in his eye, of the fire coming through the sky. Might be such a small detail but I've always found that to be beautiful and amazing.
Massive amounts of symbolism throughout. Call it... great source material and writing. i.e. the Dire Wolves and Stark children, down to the titles of each episode all very symbolic with deeper meaning.
It’s also karma for the red wedding. The people who orchestrated it such as Tywin, Frey and Roose died in similar fashion to Grey wind, Robb and Catelyn. Grey wind shot full of arrows=Tywin shot full of arrows, Robb stabbed in heart= Roose stabbed in heart, Catelyn throat cut= Frey throat cut.
Yeah, Steven, you're right. Cersei telling her father that her children are Jaime's kids meant to show Tywin that the Lannisters have no right to the throne 'cause the childrens are not Baratheon. You're not always wrong, Steven, don't be so harsh with yourself ;)
12:59 "the music is unbelievable in this show" Seriously, I have all the seasons soundtracks downloaded. Ramin Djwadi created such a masterpiece for this show
Did you see the GOT concert experience? I saw it at the United Center in Chicago. It was great. It's coming back in October. Ramin is so good, I hope he wins an Emmy this Year. I've also said, his music is like another character.
“For she was his secret treasure She was his shame and his bliss And a chain and a keep are nothing Compared to a woman's kiss For hands of gold are always cold But a woman's hands are warm” Tyrion’s heart is basically gone. You could see it in his face when he was choking her. Like always, great performance by Dinklage.
A great point that many miss, even on repeated views. A definite, "Ah!" moment when pointed out. Understanding skinchangers, greenseers, and basic GoT lore, goes a long way to enhancing one's appreciation and viewing enjoyment imo. And doesn't spoil anything.
I think the show took a hit in season 5 without Charles Dance being on the show as well as the Hound. Arya and the Hound had some of the best moments in season 4. Oberyn was a great character too even though he was only in 8 episodes and i don't think any new character introduced since has been as good as the Viper was.
Okay, I gotta say that the purity and rawness of Nikki's reactions (at EVERYTHING) is priceless. I guarantee that when writers (and filmmakers in general) ply their trade, they are picturing someone like her as the ideal audience for their storytelling. p.s. Weeks back, I defended Steven's "Jon Snow" accent as I thought it sounded legit enough. He's starting to make me rethink this defense.
Arya is going to the free city of Braavos (the captain of the ship is from Braavos as well as the rest of the crew) Braavos is the city with the Titan at his bay entrance, it is also the seat of the Iron Bank. Syrio who was Arya's master sword was from Braavos too (remember? The first sword of Braavos) Jaqen said to her to give the coin to any Braavosi and said Valar Morghulis. And that's what she did. Note: when someone says Valar Morghulis, the proper answer is Valar Dohaeris (which means All men must serve). The captain is a braavosi so he knew that to say and what the coin meant. I guess now you can figure out how important are the faceless man in Braavos city. ❤️ love you guys, enjoy what's left of the show!
I would say Arya in her own way cares about the hound quite a lot by that point and she didn't want to let herself feel it so she left him there not because she wants him to suffer but because she couldn't bring herself to kill him ...
Once Arya and the Hound found out that Aunt Lysa was dead, there was no reason to go into the castle. It wasn't common knowledge that Sansa had been there, because Littlefinger had kept her identity secret.
Just a couple things you guys missed: The undead that comes out of the snow are decayed wights. Stannis got that large army with the money from the Iron Bank, he didn't have that many soldiers laying around beforehand. Brann's ability to warg into animals/humans is different from his ability to "see" events.
Warging is a specific kind of skinchanging - skinchanging into a dog or wolf. Skinchanging is much like a gene - of being blonde, or male pattern baldness. The Children of the Forest, and decedents for the 1st men, Crannogmen (Jogen/Mira and the swamp people from The Neck) and Starks, are more likely to be born with this trait. In general, 1 in 1000 people are born skinchangers. All the Stark children are skinchangers to varying degrees, whether they are aware of it or not. Bran and Jogen are not only skinchangers, but greenseers. 1 in 1000 skinchangers are greenseers, having the ability to skinchange into many types of animals, to warg, have visions, and perhaps other things.This is explained in the lore released before the show, and is helpful to improve one's viewing experience and understanding prior to watching the show.It's a similar but different to the relation of "magic" between White Walkers and Wights. Although not really referred to as such, the White Walkers are necromancers, animating the dead in the their current state of decomposition, freshly killed, decaying, or skeleton.
19:32 No, they're just regular wights. They're much older, so they're more decayed than the ones you already saw. Bran went far North to meet the 3 eyed raven. Those wights are probably the remains of the First Men who fought the WW a thousand years ago.
In regards to Shae, I do think she loved Tyrion, and that she did what she had to do to survive. The pink dress that Shae wears during the trial is the same dress Sansa wore when she was a prisoner having to lie and do whatever she was asked to to survive. I think the costuming for that scene is a big clue as to what Shae’s situation is, and in general the costumes on this show are incredibly important.
A near perfect reaction for a near perfect episode from two wonderful reactors. I know you two care about ALL of your fan base and it shows. I am for one entirely grateful. As GoT watchers we long for awesome reactors/reactions and this is a _cherry on top_ one. I am totally thankful. Despite those who tried to argue on the contrary for patreon and short cuts to editing you CANNOT do this episode justice for the masses of subscribers you have with one video. How you pulled the other two episodes off, previous ones is besides me. *Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!! Bravo(s) and kudos and cheers!!!!* 🐺🐲🐎🐍🐙👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Thank you Veo, appreciate the comment. I've said it before and will continue to say it... it's all about the subscribers here on RU-vid first and foremost. All the other stuff we might do is great and very beneficial to our growth but we are only able to do that stuff because of the people here supporting us. - Steven
I'm really glad that you guys started watching this show too. I remember when you kept saying you probably wouldn't do it. I was so happy when you made the announcement, and it has been great! You obviously love the show. It would have been good if you just liked it, but this has been fantastic watching you take this journey for the first time. Thank you. Looking forward to more.
S4E10 Arya is the best Arya of the first 4 series imo. Right from when we first see her practising her water dancing in the mountains of the Vale, there's the sense of a new found purpose and confidence about her. It's as if, after hearing of the death of her aunt at the Bloody Gate, she decides to take control of her own life. She decides that the whole damsel in distress act which she's had going from the end of S1 has run its course. The way she sizes up Brienne when they meet, the way she shouts at The Hound when she wants him to come and meet Brienne, is in the manner of someone who has decided to take charge. We see Arya in this episode make the change from a girl into a young woman. I had a picture of Arya in the mountains as my screensaver for well over a year because I thought Maisie Williams captured Arya's transformation spectacularly well. Arya taking the bag of money from The Hound was just a replay of when The Hound himself took the money from the farmer (and his daughter) who took them in when they were starving. When she squats next to The Hound as he pleads for her to take his life, she's acknowledging the crucial role he's played in the latest chapter of her life while also coming to terms with the fact that she's now leaving that chapter and The Hound behind so she can move on to the next stage of her life. Then she takes the bag of money and walks away without a single glance at what she's left behind.
I'm just imagining many how many times did you took a steel gauntlet to the crotch, or doled out a swift kick, straight to her cuckoo? Who lost more ears?
I love Arya. She’s my favorite character, hands down. Her response to the Hound is up for debate-did she leave him to let him suffer or was she just not able to bring herself to kill him? Tyrion...man, I was so glad he was the one to end Tywin! It has led to some other problems though. I can’t wait to see you two dive into Season 5!
Hey, I believe that Stannis's army was so big because he got money from the Iron Bank and was able to hire people to fight for him. And instead of fighting for the throne he went to Protect the Wall. Which was honestly the best choice since the Nightwatch would not have survived another attack by the Wildlings. Also I love your reactions. I recently found your channel and have already watched all your GoT reactions and your reaction to Punisher. I'm glad that your enjoying this show so far. This episode had a lot, so I really enjoyed the 2 part format since so much happened. I hope that you enjoy what's to come in Season 5.
Little Bit Of Everything Your other comment was removed due to the fact the we have mentioned a zillion times do not add any sort of info to raise or decrease their expectations of a specific season or detail of ANY TYPE please do not tell us what is and what isn't a spoiler especially when you just wrote one . Becareful mate we do not tolerate carelessness we need to keep the integrity of their reaction so you have been warnt.
Little Bit Of Everything I didn't tell you don't comment i said take care of what you write , if you can't control yourself then yes man don't comment.
The girl who saved Bran, Hodor and Mera is one of the children of the forest who are known for their magic. Her name is leaf 🍃🌲. The children were the first creatures to live in Westeros. they were also the ones, who made the faces in the Weirwoodtrees. The first man who came to Westeros started a war against the children. After war, everyone thought that all of them are dead.
Lots of great episodes, this one ranks up there as one of the best!! I absolutely loved this episode. Especially The Hound and Brienne fight. When the Hound grabs the sword and squeezed, that was the most thug shit ever! Great fight!! And the music at the end was absolutely amazing. Arya is on to her new adventures in Braavos.
I will never forget the first time I saw the scene of Arya kneeling beside The Hound as he asks for death. *So* many layers to unpack in that scene about Arya's conflicted feelings and their complicated relationship. I just love it! Besides being a bad-ass, Arya is such a multilayered and interesting character. I *love* her journey and all the complicated dimensions of her character! Same goes for The Hound (aka Sandor). Amazing stuff!
Remember at Joffrey's wedding when Cersei points Shae out to Tywin and he says, "Have her brought to the Tower of the Hand"? Pretty sure he never gave Shae much choice in either sharing his bed or giving false testimony against Tyrion. She is both an opportunist and a survivor by necessity. She's always had to look out for herself, no matter what that took.
Arya didn't want him to suffer. She changed her mind. She didn't want to be the one to kill him since he saved her and even fought with Brienne for her.
By the time you get to the end of this episode you've already forgotten Stannis riding to the rescue, Ygritte's funeral, Dany chaining up 2 of her babies, Jojen dying, Bran and the fireball battle with the undead, and finally Brienne & the Hounds epic, badass fight! Whew what an episode! 💞 Great reaction - I think Nikki is almost drained of tears!
The richest man in the world died whilst sitting on the toilet. I love the irony of someone like Tywin getting killed off in such an undignified way. Characters like him are not expected to die like that. It was a brilliant twist.
Tyrion killing Tywin was a horrible move. It may have been good for Tyrion but bad for everybody else. Hell even for Tyrion, it may have been good short term for him but not long term.
At that stage, for Tyrion, it was all about getting revenge. Not just revenge against his father, but also against his whole family, since the death of the patriarch would make them vulnerable.
About the actress Gwendoline Christie ~ I was lucky enough to meet her at Comikaze years ago and she is an absolutely lovely individual ~ she was endlessly kind and patient with all her fans.
And so ends the song of Tywin Lannister, The Great Lion of the Rock, The Shield of Lannisport, The Savior of the City. As much of a horrible HORRIBLE father he wast, I honestly thought Tywin was going to make it to the end of The Game. You got a chance to see how clear and focused Ayra is on avenging her family. As a reminded, she has no idea about the current state of Jon, Sansa, Bran or Rickon. ( she still thinks the latter two are dead). .Valar Morghulis What I loved about the end of season 4 , it left Team Stark rooting for the children of Eddard and Catelyn preparing for battle; Jon successfully defending the wall, Sansa electing to play the Game, Bran reaching the 3eyed Raven and Ayra on her way to Bravos.
Imagine watching this episode and having to wait a WHOLE FREAKING YEAR to see the aftermath... Painful. As always, your reaction was hilariously on point.
Remember Jaqen told Arya that if she ever wanted to find him again she should give that coin to any man from bravos and say the words “valar morghulis”. So she is sailing to Bravos to see Jaqen.
I saw that little bit of relating you had to Cersei's speech about her children, Nikki lol. It's hard not to empathize with her love of her children. I've said it before and I'll say it again, Lena Heady IS Cersei. If you factor that in along with Bronn being another character that seems to be played by himself, it's really not hard to see why the two of them cannot work together. Lmfao
That's the beauty and genius of GoT… characters not black and white... they are grey. There are redeeming qualities in all people... well, except Jeoffry and Ramsey.
I don't find it too hard not to empathize, since what she feels isn't really love. Okay, perhaps with Joffrey it was, but Myrcella and Tommen is all about ownership. She thinks she owns those kids. It doesn't matter what they want, it's all about how much she wants total and absolute control over them and will do anything to stop anyone else from being in their lives. That's not love.
"I don't find it too hard not to empathize, since what she feels isn't really love" I also feel that way, besides you can say it´s just a twisted way of Cersei loving only herself. Those are the kids she had with her twin brother, the closest person to herself she can get and the kids themselves can also be seen as extensions of herself. As soon as Jaime was broken and not "perfect" anymore, she didn´t want him any longer.
ok "Hound vs Brienne" was the reaction i've been waiting for most of all so far and you didn't disappoint, that was my favorite reacton from you thus far, luv it. can't wait for more
For the life of me I cannot understand why anybody is giving you guys a thumbs down. This is one of the best episodes so far. Love Brienne. She has now battled 3 of the best fighters in Westeros and beat them all (Loras in the tourney, Jaime and The Hound) - one of my favorite characters. Aren't you glad you don't have to wait for months for the next season!
Honestly, I completely forgot how intense this episode was. I remembered the Tywin/Tyrion stuff and I remembered the Brienne/Hound battle, but as powerful as those 2 things were, there was so much other stuff in this episode. I remember all the other events too, but I did NOT remember that they all happened in this one episode. I managed to not cry up to when the Hound said, "Are you going to make me beg?" and then the damn broke from the cumulative effect of all the other stuff. And I always find it really moving when Jaime kisses Tyrion. And then started crying again when Tyrion said sorry to Shae. This episode had extremely intense and emotional turns in several subplots.
What an amazing ending to the episode. When Varys hears the bells, then the music changes, he goes and sits by the crate. Then we see the waterfall and Arya riding. Then it gets even better when she talks to the captain. He's amazed, tips his fingers to his temple. Valar Morghulis. Valar Dohaeris. And then she sails off, the music swelling. Wow, I love it!
Watching their reactions makes me so sad and happy at the same time. Reminds me of the first time I saw every episode, the beauty and magic of the show before the beauty and joy turn into ashes.
18:27 There was so much speculation after this moment about what it meant. Did it mean he was no longer on her list and she didn't want to kill him and rather left it up to fate? Does she hate him so much she wants to him to suffer as much as possible? What does it all mean?
Ser Davos convinced the Iron Bank to fund Stannis, if you recall. They used that money to hire a mercenary company from Essos (where the iron bank is located, specifically in the city of Braavos, which is where Arya is also headed), which is why Stannis had so many soldiers. The bulk of his forces now are sellswords; quite well equipped and competent sellswords, as we see. ;)
this ep has an incresible score. probably my all time fave episode of the series, with the hound/brienne fight being my fave scene from season 4 (which is saying something)
"If you ever need to find me again, give this coin to any man from Braavos, and say these words "Valar Maghoullis" "..... she's gonna go see Jaqen!!!!!! Hellllllll Yeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhh!
Hey Nikki, don’t worry about the tears. This episode deserves tears! I was sat here crying along with you and I’ve seen it umpteen times. This really is one of the very best episodes of GoT. Brace yourselves, more tears to come 😭😂 xx
In regards to Arya, it always amuses me how people cheer her on when starting to kill people like a lil savage this season only to realize what it actually turns her into. Killing at such a young age is bound to screw a kid up.
Valar Mourgulis is what Arya said, it means "All Men Must Die" the man replied with "Valar Doharis" which means "All Men Must Serve" (spellings are probably wrong)
Ironically, GRRM is notorious for grammar and orthography errors, and yet it doesn't take away from his amazing story telling or the point he is trying to convey.
Brienne and the Hound were both very strong and tough. It's so much fun to watch them seriously beating the living hell out of each other with such ferocity. They were so well-matched, I had no idea who was going to win.
Shae loved Tyrion from the very beginning and was loyal to him at the expense of herself. Her love for him was genuine and had nothing to do with Tywin. She was willing to risk everything to be with him. Let’s not forget that Shae also asked multiple for her and Tyrion to just leave together and have a life for themselves. He rejected that because he wanted to stay to play the game. He chose what he was good at over his love for her. So I find it very unfair to blame Shae because she supposedly didn’t understand he was sending her away to keep her safe. No, she understood why he did it. But she didn’t want his protection, she was more than happy to stay and die for that love as long as they were together. What she learned from Tyrion sending her away was that he didn’t love her more than he loved the game. He wasn’t willing to give up this power trip for her. That’s what she learned and why she struck back. He chose the game over her so she was going to destroy the game for him. After the trial, she simply did what was practical for her, to keep herself alive. Tyrion betrayed Shae first.
