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@greg1reed1
@greg1reed1 Год назад
I love how college classes in movies are only 4 minutes long.
@mr.erikchun5863
@mr.erikchun5863 Год назад
I can’t stand how chalk boards in movie ‘’’math’’ classes are set up. They have a bunch of random unrelated graphs and equations to make what’s being presented more scary than it really is.
@Mobin92
@Mobin92 11 месяцев назад
@@robrs8631 Also Newton's method is something you do numerically on a computer. Definitely not anything you would do on paper or on a chalk board. (Except maybe quickly explain it...)
@benmorgan8890
@benmorgan8890 11 месяцев назад
It’s the end of the lecture guy
@stefanyordanov2885
@stefanyordanov2885 11 месяцев назад
4 minute lecture. You can't argue Kevin Spacey doesn't try hard to be popular with the kids.
@imelnyk5210
@imelnyk5210 11 месяцев назад
@@Mobin92 I mean not really. If you learn numerical methods Newton Method is explained without computers, it's not about how to solve it, but how it works, and why it works. For sure, homework will often require writing some script to solve it, but lectures - no. At least I was taught this way.
@pedobear8071
@pedobear8071 Год назад
imagine if he went to find Ben Campbell's exam and saw a "46% F"
@ThePandagansta
@ThePandagansta Год назад
Damn. That would have been good.
@jonadam5505
@jonadam5505 Год назад
@@ThePandagansta Textbooks will dull your mind.
@adh2298
@adh2298 Год назад
This isn’t Naruto. He clearly showed himself to be a standout from the other students since literally no one else could answer those questions. Someone that smart wouldn’t be failing his tests, it would’ve been funny tho.
@jonadam5505
@jonadam5505 11 месяцев назад
@@adh2298 All he did was account for variable change.. any 6 year old can do that when playing battleship.
@thetank971
@thetank971 11 месяцев назад
That would be better actually lmfao
@user-vt6td9hp3g
@user-vt6td9hp3g 8 месяцев назад
The video is titled Game Theory, the class is named Nonlinear Equations, the question is asked is about Probability Theory.
@Silent_Quasar
@Silent_Quasar 2 месяца назад
yup plus nonlinear equations and the problems on the board were x^2 +1 and the quotient formula for derivatives. all of it makes no sense academically speaking
@happinesstan
@happinesstan 2 месяца назад
Game theory was invented to give the average mug the sense that they can gain an advantage over the house. It was invented by the house. They increase their customers, their losses go up, but so do their winnings which always outsrip their losses. That is why this video, referencing game theory, presens a false picture. There is a 100% certainty that he will be presented with a fifty fifty chance of winning the car, so his starting odds are not 33%, they're 50%. 66% is still an advantage, but you're never doubling your chances.
@kevinrosenberg4368
@kevinrosenberg4368 Месяц назад
@@happinesstan No, he will be always be presented with 2 choices, but they are 66% and 33%. If he always stays with his original choice, he will win the car 33% of the time. I guess if you're saying if he adopted a random strategy between switching and staying, then he would win the car 50% of the time, then that is true. But most people always stay, and then their chances are 33%, so half of always switching.
@happinesstan
@happinesstan Месяц назад
@@kevinrosenberg4368 Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. The experiment explains itself very well, but I agree that most people, lacking the information that the problem presents, would stick with their original pick. Therefore picking randomly would be a better [not best] choice. But the manner in which the choice is presented, essentially denies that opportunity. It's a fascinating puzzle that, I think, is about more than probability.
@dariagomezgane1643
@dariagomezgane1643 Месяц назад
What? All a bit " fuzzy"?
@Gonedop
@Gonedop 10 месяцев назад
While many people explain to those who do not understand it, they often fail to explain why the probability of 33.3% is added on top of the other probability. Let's consider a simplified scenario for those who think the chances should be 50/50: Let's say there are three doors, and behind them are like the following: Goat - Car - Goat Let's look at all the possibilities. If you choose Door 1, the host must open Door 3, and if you change your choice to Door 2, you win. If you choose Door 2 and decide to change your door, you lose. If you choose Door 3, the host must open Door 1, and if you change your choice to Door 2, you win. As we can see, in all three possibilities where you change your door, you win twice out of the three possibilities. Similarly, let's consider the possibilities where you stick with your initial choice: If you choose Door 1, you lose. If you choose Door 2, you win. If you choose Door 3, you lose. We can clearly see that the strategy of changing your door gives you a higher chance of winning the prize. It's not a 50/50 scenario, but rather a 2/3 probability of winning if you switch doors. When host opens one of the remaining doors, he provides you with a new information. This information is not changin the initial probabilites but rather telling you that: "The probability of the car being in one of the 2 doors you did not choose is 66.7% and I am opening one of these doors for you. In the beginning there was a 66.7% probability that the car was in one of these two doors, and I showed you which of these doors had a goat." The 33.3% probability was added because of the information the host gave us. Thus, when we change our door, we have a 66.7% probability of winning.
@victorst5997
@victorst5997 10 месяцев назад
Great explanation
@AK-me9cx
@AK-me9cx 10 месяцев назад
After going through a number of comments, this finally makes proper sense.
@ricardoaguilaranguia
@ricardoaguilaranguia 10 месяцев назад
That's an explanation, thanks
@shrutorshidutta
@shrutorshidutta 10 месяцев назад
That was wonderfully explained... Thanks a lot.
@Canooboy
@Canooboy 10 месяцев назад
Man, thank you, this shit haunts me for years and now I got it.. ty
@tharock220
@tharock220 6 месяцев назад
I love how the class on solving polynomials became a probability class.
@cjohnson9211
@cjohnson9211 5 месяцев назад
Of course, movies
@fredthechamp3475
@fredthechamp3475 5 месяцев назад
Solving polynomials, the hell does that mean? The class was about solving non-linear differential equations.
@abdullahmalik807
@abdullahmalik807 5 месяцев назад
@@fredthechamp3475 I hate the fact that I now know what all this means after watching this movie when i was 10
@ThaneR0248
@ThaneR0248 3 месяца назад
dont forget he was also trying to determine if he wanted to recruit Ben, after realizing he was intelligent. It was more of a test for blackjack than a test for the specific class he was in.
@happinesstan
@happinesstan 2 месяца назад
And the teacher misses the obvious error. Since there is a 100% certainty that he will be offered a 50/50 chance, his starting odds are not 33%.
@icarus-wings
@icarus-wings 10 месяцев назад
Imagine registering for SOLVING FOR NON-LINEAR EQUATIONS and spending the class discussing the Monty Hall problem. I hope those kids went straight to Admissions to request a refund.
@randomutubr222
@randomutubr222 10 месяцев назад
My thoughts exactly lmao such stupid scriptwriting
@ASOT666
@ASOT666 10 месяцев назад
​@@randomutubr222 I hate the way college classes are shown in movies. "Who explain Newton's method and how to use it..." - no prof is teaching like this? If that is the week's agenda, that's what THEY'LL teach. And secondly, what the fuck is the relevancy of Ben's mention of Raphson here? That wasn't the question. This is a math class, not the history of math class lmao.
@jimmyneutron129
@jimmyneutron129 7 месяцев назад
@@ASOT666 in my classes i had, prof just don't have the time lol, they spend all of their time writing at the board trying to fit a course that they have less and less hours to fit in and are annoyed when you ask them questions
@Strengthnerd5
@Strengthnerd5 5 месяцев назад
@@ASOT666 in bens defense the teacher went off track by saying "Tell me something i don't already know," and the scriptwriters used this to prove that Ben understood more than the basics by showing he knew the history behind the method. This was probably the best way to show he knew math without him actually doing math so the audience wouldnt get confused by technical jargon. Still terrible writing
@teddanville6996
@teddanville6996 4 месяца назад
It’s the end of the class and the prof want to end the class with something fun and interesting. To be honest prof and teachers like these are the ones that got me hooked into the class, not those teachers that only focus on the lecture.
@leodaric5447
@leodaric5447 Год назад
Another way to think about it: If you picked correctly the first time, the right move is to stay. If you picked incorrectly the first time, the right move is to switch. What was your odds of picking incorrectly the first time? 66%. So 66% of the time the right move is to switch. E: Since people are being stubborn- Suppose after the host opens door 3, you say "I will stay on door 1 since I don't improve my odds by switching". Then by that logic, if the host had opened door 2 instead, you also would stay on door 1 instead of switching to door 3. Therefore, by that logic, you don't even the game host to open a door at all! You just need to know that he would have gone and opened a door. So we are left with the following: the host isn't necessary- you picking door 1 makes your odds of winning 50% regardless of what the host does. Which is absurd.
@theburnetts
@theburnetts Год назад
Thanks. This is the best explanation I have read so far.
@worshaka
@worshaka Год назад
This is known as the Monty Hall paradox. It's not really a paradox, it got the name from the solution being so unintuitive.
@Josh_TO
@Josh_TO 11 месяцев назад
Perfect explanation
@JosephLuklukkyjoe
@JosephLuklukkyjoe 11 месяцев назад
Damn. That’s an elegant explainer.
@churchyjr
@churchyjr 11 месяцев назад
Think of it this way. Behind 1 door is freedom, behind the other 2 are shotguns that shoot you like in a Saw movie. After choosing the correct first choice, how confident are you now to stay and not change decisions when your life is on the line?
@jcb3393
@jcb3393 11 месяцев назад
This is not "Game Theory" - this is "The Monty Hall Problem".
@joel2628
@joel2628 11 месяцев назад
I mean it is Game Theory, but your answer is more specific. Lol
@izaret
@izaret 11 месяцев назад
It is the theory of a game, the Monty Hall game. Not game theory indeed.
@edward_lee
@edward_lee 11 месяцев назад
Yea, I was thinking John Nash's Game Theory which would've been inaccurate for this.. But it is generic game theory, I guess..
@farooqkelosiwang9697
@farooqkelosiwang9697 6 месяцев назад
What is the name of the movie!?
@ilkerylmazturker1142
@ilkerylmazturker1142 4 месяца назад
@@farooqkelosiwang9697 Its name is "21"
@henry_9
@henry_9 2 месяца назад
I found most people who say the probability is 50/50 simply because there are only two choices/possibilities (two doors left, one has a goat and the other has a car), but one important thing to keep in mind is that just because there are only two choices/possibilities doesn't mean the probability is 50/50. Thank about our real life, there are so many scenarios where there are only two possibilities, such as I buy the power ball and I either win or lose, or I go to a job interview and I either get hired or not. However in neither scenario the probability is 50/50.
@joshuahenson4812
@joshuahenson4812 10 месяцев назад
I gotta give this movie some credit, that stuff on the board is real. Some is just garbage but they actually have the correct formula for newton-raphson iterations to solve nonlinear equations
@advayiyer6456
@advayiyer6456 9 месяцев назад
No idea why a non linear eqn Professor would randomly ask a game theory q tho ahhah
@user-vt6td9hp3g
@user-vt6td9hp3g 8 месяцев назад
🤓
@ericpalacios920
@ericpalacios920 8 месяцев назад
@@advayiyer6456 probably to probe to see if he was blackjack team material
@animalistic6283
@animalistic6283 6 месяцев назад
​@@advayiyer6456 They were on a scout, it was random for everyone but not for those 2 that wanted to test him.
@TomCosgroveSimp
@TomCosgroveSimp 6 месяцев назад
it is funny tho that a non linear equations prof is asking a stats game theory questions
@SomeRandomDude2007
@SomeRandomDude2007 11 месяцев назад
Say what you will about spacy. But man oh man the guy can act.
@thebeautyofnature3616
@thebeautyofnature3616 11 месяцев назад
i say: he is sexually assaulting ppl. and the ones who speak up get killed. nuff said.
@regibson23
@regibson23 11 месяцев назад
He was actually pretty bad in this scene.
@ajax8384
@ajax8384 11 месяцев назад
LA confidential
@tmmnago2722
@tmmnago2722 11 месяцев назад
I will say he’s a gay pedophile.
@andy199233
@andy199233 11 месяцев назад
@@thebeautyofnature3616 He's not guilty
@daelster
@daelster 27 дней назад
The key to this that most people overlook is that the host's opening of a door was a deliberate opening of a losing door--it wasn't random, amd could never have a car. Had the host made a random opening, the probabilities wouldn't have changed, and the host might have opened the winning door. Easier to understand if you consider the extreme--a hundred doors, and the host deliberately eliminates 98 of 99 losing doors from the set you didnt choose, which set contains a 99 percent chance of having the winning door, leaving one juicy door remaining that you could switch to.
@simunator
@simunator 11 месяцев назад
i wish a nonlinear equations class was this easy in real life. one of my toughest undergrad classes right after topology
@NewWesternFront
@NewWesternFront 11 месяцев назад
havent seen the movie but ar eyou inferring from other scenes?
@nudelsuppe2090
@nudelsuppe2090 5 месяцев назад
​@@anthonyhu6705what is topology?
@by-qv8yl
@by-qv8yl 3 месяца назад
Literally.@@definetheterms1236
@ajaypatil1493
@ajaypatil1493 3 месяца назад
​@@anthonyhu6705 topology origami 😂😂😂
@jorge_cazares
@jorge_cazares 2 месяца назад
@@anthonyhu6705 tell me you dont know what topology is without telling me you dont know what topology is
@lukabozic5
@lukabozic5 Год назад
For people confused, imagine if you have 100 doors, 1 of them has a car and 99 of them have a goat. Your guess accounts for 1% chance of being a car behind it, but imagine the show host (who knows where the car is) opens 98 doors (all goats) and leaves you with a choice to choose your door or switch to the one still not open, you clearly switch since there is a 99% chance the car is behind those doors
@NoBetterBentley
@NoBetterBentley Год назад
My man! Thank you for explaining
@neelarghoray5011
@neelarghoray5011 Год назад
But now aren't you supposed to choose between 2 (and not 100) doors where in one of them there is the car. So isn't it a 50-50 probability that the car is behind one of those 2 doors?
@mattthomas3674
@mattthomas3674 Год назад
@@neelarghoray5011 when you 1st chose you had a 99% chance of being wrong.. so its 99 time more likely you chose a wrong door. By opening 98 other doors the host takes care of 98% of that chance, you switch and now you have 99% chance of being correct, if you stay its still only a 1% chance your original pick was right.. Hope that makes sense
@gogojones1071
@gogojones1071 Год назад
@@neelarghoray5011 Think of it this way, if I pulled out a deck of cards told you to pick one at random, and hope it was the Ace of Spades, and then I searched through the rest of the deck and grabbed a card. Then I told you, either you picked the right card at the start, (1/52 chance), or I just picked the card right now. (51/52) chance. What seems more likely, that you guessed correctly at the start? Or that I did, knowing what all of the cards were? It's the same logic since the host knows what's behind each door. He ALWAYS chooses the door with the goat.
@TTTTJJJJJJJJJJ
@TTTTJJJJJJJJJJ Год назад
would the situation change to random chance if host opens 97 doors (all goats) and you left to choose 3 doors (1 of which you can stay)?
@WilliamCacilhas
@WilliamCacilhas 4 месяца назад
Guys. Just because there are only two doors in the end DOES NOT mean an equal 50-50 spilt of probability. Probability is not necessarily evenly split between all choices. Consider for example the case of a weighted die. Say it’s weighted in such a way that 70% of the time it lands with the 6 side facing up. What is the probability it would land on 6? According to the logic of many of you in the comments, since there is 6 sides, it will have a 1/6th possibility of landing on 6. This is wrong. It has a 70% chance of landing on 6 not a 1/6th chance. Probability is not retroactive. Once you make your initial choice the probability you are right will always be 1/3. It does not matter that the host revealed a door. That CANNOT change the probability of your initial choice. It also cannot change the probability that the car was in one of the doors you did not choose. Since the probability the car was behind one of the doors you did not choose is 2/3, when a door is revealed, this probability remains with the unopened, unchosen door. You will always have a greater chance of winning by switching because the probability locks in when you make your initial choice. The probability is NOT evenly split between the remaining two doors.
@Safira1313
@Safira1313 9 месяцев назад
Amo esse ator e esse jeito de falar. ❤
@Dontmatterwhatuthink
@Dontmatterwhatuthink 7 месяцев назад
I’m sure you do weirdo
@raininwithu
@raininwithu 11 месяцев назад
Some great acting by Spacey
@sebastiann3670
@sebastiann3670 5 месяцев назад
what's so great about it?
@jacobshirley3457
@jacobshirley3457 4 месяца назад
@@sebastiann3670 People often confuse convincing and charismatic acting (especially by great actors), with great acting.
@darkspeed62
@darkspeed62 3 месяца назад
@@jacobshirley3457 Explain the difference?
@StochasticSage
@StochasticSage 7 месяцев назад
By switching, you are essentially saying, "I'm betting that I started with a door with a goat." Since there was a 2/3 chance of this being true, switching increases your chances of winning the car to 2/3. If you stick with your initial choice, you're essentially betting that you started with the car, which has only a 1/3 chance.
@RyHudson
@RyHudson 5 месяцев назад
Your reverse-engineered solution is actually far more intuitive than the deeply-explained (but first principles-based) solutions elsewhere in the comments.
@happinesstan
@happinesstan 2 месяца назад
Ignore the starting odds, there is a 100% certainty that you will be offered a 50/50 chance, so your starting odds are evens. 66% is still an advantage, of course, but nt as big as doubling your chances.
@AshiqurRahman
@AshiqurRahman 9 месяцев назад
The comment section of only RU-vid video which helped me to learn this classical problem...
@sharingboy1901
@sharingboy1901 27 дней назад
See if someone still stuck on 50-50 see it in this way: 1) There are 3 doors and getting one correctly is 33.33% 2) Now out of 2 one is shown to be Goat door. 2 doors are left, 1 is your chosen door and another which is left. 3) Since there were 33.33% of you being correct, so the door left to be correct will now be 66.67% as both will sum up as 100%.
@vitasino5823
@vitasino5823 21 день назад
if one of goat door is shown or the condition favorable to chooser is changed, why the favorable probability only contributed to the left door? it should be eaqually improve the both doors. So the chosen door winning chance improves to 50%. the final winning chance is 50% to 50%. switch or not switch is the same. another example, 3 persons (A,B, C) are put in a jail, only one person can be released. now the police says C will not be out for sure. Do you think one of the left two will think he will have 66.67% chance out? of couse no, both chance of going out will be improve from 33.33% to 50%!
@RonaldABG
@RonaldABG 18 дней назад
@@vitasino5823 The thing is that this game has as a rule that the host cannot reveal the player's choice and neither which contains the car. He must always reveal one that is not any of those two, which he can because he knows the locations. This is often not well clarified and that's why it's confusing. If you notice, with those conditions the player's choice is a forced finalist: it will always be one of the last two regardless of if it is a bad choice or not, so the only way it could result being correct 50% of the time is if the player managed to pick the correct option 50% of the time when there were still 3 ones. In contrast, the other that remains closed had to survive a possible elimination, because the host could have removed it in case it did not contain the prize. But as the host avoided it, its chances of being the winner increased. So, your example with the 3 persons is not equivalent because it was not established from the start which of them could never be mentioned, even if he was not going to be out.
@llodavid
@llodavid 3 месяца назад
For those who still have problems understanding/accepting this, try it with 1000 doors. You choose 1 door and the host opens 998 doors behind which there's only goats, leaving only your door and one other left. So, do you stick with your door and think the odds for your door just magically changed from 1/1000 to 50/50 or will you change to the only door the host hasn't opened as he most likely just showed you where the car is?
@dianamon2727
@dianamon2727 3 месяца назад
Yeah sorry that is bullshit because there are just 3 doors here. You open 998 doors but the host just open one! Pls don't try to b e stupid.
@Araqius
@Araqius 3 месяца назад
@@dianamon2727 Assume you stay with your first pick. If your first pick is Goat A, you get Goat A. If your first pick is Goat B, you get Goat B. If your first pick is the car, you get the car. You only win 1 out of 3 games if you stay with your first pick. Switching means the opposite. It's just basic math/logic kids understand. Sadly, it's far too hard for idiots and their parents.
@AltimeFAILS
@AltimeFAILS 8 месяцев назад
Best Explanation: Scenario 1: You initially pick the door with the car behind it (1/3 chance). If you stick with your choice, you win. If you switch, you lose. Scenario 2 and 3: You initially pick a goat (2/3 chance combined for both scenarios). In both of these scenarios, Monty has to open the other door with a goat. If you stick with your initial choice, you lose (because you originally chose a goat). If you switch, you win the car. The probability breakdown for switching vs. staying is: Switch: Lose (1/3) vs. Win (2/3) Stay: Win (1/3) vs. Lose (2/3) Meaning if you switch you will always have a 2/3 chance of winning (the 1/3 chance of losing is from you switching when you already chose the door with the car)
@noblesleem1077
@noblesleem1077 5 месяцев назад
To audition Ben with the Monty Hall problem was simply genius
@thaitrieu791
@thaitrieu791 3 месяца назад
i remembered first time seeing this scene when I was 12 confused af about what he said. Now being in numerical analysis and major in applied stats, I understood everything he said was just basic intro stuff. Mind blowing how time flies so fast
@rahulmathew4970
@rahulmathew4970 11 месяцев назад
The method described initially is known as Newton-Raphson method. So Raphson did get credit for that
@pkmuhammedhisan
@pkmuhammedhisan 8 месяцев назад
Naayinde mone
@rahulmathew4970
@rahulmathew4970 8 месяцев назад
@@pkmuhammedhisan Ente ponnu aashane enikku malayalam nalla pola ariyam. Nalla pole theri parayanum ariyam. Pakshe vendanne
@pkmuhammedhisan
@pkmuhammedhisan 8 месяцев назад
@@rahulmathew4970 sorry bro..malayalee aano enn ariyaan veruthe irittatth vedi vecchetha...naattil evdeya..nyan Thalassery laa
@rahulmathew4970
@rahulmathew4970 8 месяцев назад
@@pkmuhammedhisan vedi vachittu kondalle. Pathanamthitta
@jimmyneutron129
@jimmyneutron129 7 месяцев назад
in my classes it was only Newton lol
@jeffjo8732
@jeffjo8732 6 месяцев назад
The correct explanation is that once Ben has selected #1, there are four possibilities based on the Host's restrictions (can't open Ben's door, can't open the car door. In reverse order, they are: 1) (1/3) The car is behind #3, so the host must open #2. 2) (1/3) The car is behind #2, so the host must open #3. 3) (1/3) The car is behind #1, and now can choose however he wishes between #2 and #3. If he chooses randomly, this breaks down into: 3A) (1/6) He opens #2. 3B) (1/6) He opens #3. What Ben ignores, is that he saw the host open #3. So cases 1 and 3A are eliminated. Of the two that remain, case 2 is twice as likely as case 3A, so two out of every three times the car will be behind #2. But what if the host doesn't choose randomly in case 3? What if he always opens #3 if he can? (Then the chances #1 and #2 are the same.) Or if he always opens #2 if he can? (Then the car IS behind #2.) The point is that Ben's reasoning is wrong, even tho he gets the right answer. It isn't because #1 stays at 33.3%, it is because we can't assume the host chooses non-randomly.
@houseplant1016
@houseplant1016 5 месяцев назад
Your comment convinced me to never take extra math classes, thank you kind internet stranger!
@tekudiv
@tekudiv 4 месяца назад
This is the complete and correct explanation. Others are trying to solve it purely based on probability and none of the explanation answer the why. Thanks!
@jeffjo8732
@jeffjo8732 4 месяца назад
@@tekudiv I appreciate the feedback. But one correction: people usually pick an _answer_ based on intuition, and choose a _solution_ that leads to that answer, and justify it because they think it is the right answer. That is what is happening here, and coincidentally it is the right answer. This is possible in probability, but not really in other fields of mathematics, because the elements aren't always the same in different solutions. In geometry, if you have a triangle, its sides are such well-defined elements. But in probability, the outcomes you choose to consider can be different. Here you need to recognize that the choice of doors can be random.
@kennongri
@kennongri 8 месяцев назад
His acting make the scene so much interesting ..
@tbeng12
@tbeng12 9 месяцев назад
Kevin Spacy what an actor
@aaronbittner7356
@aaronbittner7356 4 месяца назад
When Ben first makes his choice, he had a 1 in 3 chance of choosing the right door... the other two doors together have all the remaining probability of being right, i.e. 2 in 3. When one of those doors is eliminated from consideration, Ben's first choice still has the same 1 in 3 chance of winning that he started with. The remainder of the system still has the 2 in 3 chance of being right.
@siamgangte2826
@siamgangte2826 9 месяцев назад
Just because you switch doesn't mean you win with a 100% certainty, it means if you play the game N times then the strategy (intial 33.33% + info gain from one open door 33.33% = 66.6% probability of it being there) statistically converges. Therefore, you have an edge if you played the strategy in which you switch.
@DBCOOPER888
@DBCOOPER888 8 месяцев назад
Well, no, people are forgetting that both doors have a 66% of being correct if you're using the original calculation. Taking out an option throws the entire probability model out the door.
@raycon921
@raycon921 7 месяцев назад
@@DBCOOPER888 correct, you're just left with 2 choices: to stick to your original choice or to switch
@IcyDeath91
@IcyDeath91 5 месяцев назад
Think about it as you have a 66% of being wrong with your first pick. So its likely the prize is behind one of the doors you didnt pick. You want yo switch, but you dont know which door to switch too. But then the host tells you which door has a goat. So now you know which door to switch to.
@happinesstan
@happinesstan 2 месяца назад
@@raycon921 You're not left with two options, you are left with three options. Change your mind, don't change your mind, or tell Monty that your mind was never made up and revert to your original strategy of picking randomly. This gives you a 50/50chance of picking the same door, or the only other door. The presentation of the choice is deliberate in order to mask the third option.
@TomO-jv7jb
@TomO-jv7jb 28 дней назад
The best explanation I've seen for this comes from the damninteresting website, written by Alan Bellows: "In explaining the effect, it helps to increase the scale of the question. Imagine that there are 100 doors to choose from instead of three, but still just one prize. When hypothetical contestant Contessa chooses her door, she effectively divides the doors into Set A that contains her one door (1% chance of including the prize), and Set B that contains 99 doors (99% chance). Our imaginary Monty then proceeds to reveal goats behind 98 of the 99 doors in Set B, skipping over one seemingly random door. The odds that Contessa picked the winning door on her first try remain at one-in-a-hundred, so when asked if she wants to keep her original door or switch to that one other unopened door, the better answer is more obvious. Monty is essentially asking, “Do you want to keep your door and its chance of winning, or take all 99 of the other doors and their chance of winning?”
@InkpadutaRoad
@InkpadutaRoad 7 месяцев назад
I watched this in theaters for my after prom in high school. A decade and some change later, this is the type of homework my kids bring home and I feel like Barney rubble 💀😂
@mceky89
@mceky89 11 месяцев назад
The answer presented can only be given partial credit as it does not account for a player that wishes to win one of the goats.
@user-oi8di5hs1l
@user-oi8di5hs1l 7 месяцев назад
It's called The Monty Hall Paradox this "paradox" was mentioned also in the series Better Call Saul Season 2 Episode 4
@JSmellerM
@JSmellerM 5 месяцев назад
It was also mentioned in Brooklyn Nine Nine where Captain Holt actually gets that one wrong saying the probability is 50/50 so it doesn't matter if you switch.
@user-vh5fx9eq3t
@user-vh5fx9eq3t 5 месяцев назад
Спасибо за очередную полезную связку, все работает как в описании 🔥🔥🔥💯
@alanb8488
@alanb8488 11 месяцев назад
Here are your 3 possible door scenarios: CGG GCG GGC Always choose Door 1 but then reveal one of the G. You’ll see that there is only one scenario where you don’t get C if you change.
@animeshadhikary7802
@animeshadhikary7802 10 месяцев назад
This is one of the best explanations I've seen
@hongieyo
@hongieyo 9 месяцев назад
@@animeshadhikary7802 the easiest way would be, if you don't change, you have 1/3 chance, so if you change, you have the remaining 2/3 chance
@jasonleetaiwan
@jasonleetaiwan 7 месяцев назад
Yeah, because the host always opens a door with a goat meaning if you switch to the other 2 doors and the car is there, you will always get the car. The other two doors have a 2/3 chance of being correct because there are two doors. Think of the two doors as one group of doors that has a probability of 2/3 and the first door you choose as a probability of 1/3. It’s only 50-50 if you choose a door with one of the three doors open already with a goat.
@JSmellerM
@JSmellerM 5 месяцев назад
@@hongieyo I always add more doors at the start of the explanation because ppl struggle with 33% and 67% for some reason. But if you have 10 doors and a 10% vs 90% chance ppl get it. You can also do 100 doors and have a 1% to 99% chance. I think they struggle with the 33% vs 67% choice because the chance to pick right from the start was already pretty big.
@j.d.kurtzman7333
@j.d.kurtzman7333 Год назад
Not really game theory, but still a good scene (although in retrospect it makes no sense for him to be asking this question in a non-linear equations class).
@terencetrumph9962
@terencetrumph9962 Год назад
Game theory is the study of mathematical models of strategic interactions among rational agents. It has applications in all fields of social science, as well as in logic, systems science and computer science. The concepts of game theory are used extensively in economics as well. Idk, this is game theory by the sounds of it. What was your definition of game theory? And maybe not a non-linear equations class, but considering what the movie is about it's his "test" to Ben to see if he's competent enough to join their gambling group.
@j.d.kurtzman7333
@j.d.kurtzman7333 Год назад
@@terencetrumph9962 note “among rational agents.” Game theory is when multiple agents are making choices and those choices have effects on the overall outcome. This problem consists of one person making a choice, thus it would be categorized as choice theory or decision theory. Also, I know what it’s about haha, just doesn’t seem like the time or place
@terencetrumph9962
@terencetrumph9962 Год назад
@@j.d.kurtzman7333 I see your point, although I think the plural here refers to 1 and/or all and the focus is "strategic interactions" between the player(s) and the game, no? Otherwise me playing solitaire all by my lonesome has just been "choice theory", right? How I thought of it was, even in 1 player games, variables are designed to act as an opposing force, therefore making a "2nd player" for you to overcome. Say that weren't the case, or I'm an idiot and just wrong, if you play rock paper scissors with a learning AI that can guess what you throw out based on patterns, does it become game theory rather than choice theory after a certain point?🤔
@j.d.kurtzman7333
@j.d.kurtzman7333 Год назад
@@terencetrumph9962 the economics definition would not define solitaire as a “game” per se since only your decisions affect the outcome (ie there are no one player “games”). As to the AI, more of a philosophical question perhaps, or maybe a computer science one. Put it up to the Turing test, if it passes then I guess you’ve got a game
@aheroictaxidriver3180
@aheroictaxidriver3180 11 месяцев назад
This is game theory. Switching doors after the host shows a goat is a "dominant strategy;" it maximizes your utility.
@reltius2993
@reltius2993 9 месяцев назад
I think a simpler explanation is this. When you first pick you have a 33% chance to be right and a 66% chance to be wrong. But when the host takes away one of those two wrong options, the original % is still correct, the goat has a 33% chance to be your first choice, meaning the same 66% chance is left with the other unopened door.
@DBCOOPER888
@DBCOOPER888 8 месяцев назад
There was also a 66% chance the other door is the right choice, so it's still a 50 / 50 toss up.
@raycon921
@raycon921 7 месяцев назад
@@DBCOOPER888 correct, theese idiots don't understand that sticking to you first choice is still a choice 🤣
@ojon12389
@ojon12389 7 месяцев назад
​@@DBCOOPER888 No. It becomes 33.3% chance when the switch is offered because the player is more likely to pick the goat in the first choice. All possible outcomes and player takes the switch everytime: 1. player first picks goat #1, he will switch to the car. 2. player first picks goat #2, he will switch to the car. 3. player first picks the car, he switches to either goat. So while the player has 33% to pick the car in the first place, if he can choose to switch doors, he actually wants to first pick one of the goats (66%) to get the car.
@GunStudioMusic
@GunStudioMusic 7 месяцев назад
@@ojon12389 omg no better explanation than this
@peddu9207
@peddu9207 5 месяцев назад
@@ojon12389genius
@latinkingzgl
@latinkingzgl Месяц назад
Kevin: "Naow if aye r'mooove a sihtin numbah from the equachun whether human groped or naught; taystimony says im innocent no mattah the numbah of deyad witnuhsayas yuh-on-ah" Jury: 👏👏
@shlomobauer6355
@shlomobauer6355 11 месяцев назад
An easy way to understand this is to consider what you do if you had a choice between selecting one door or two -- clearly if you could select two doors, your chance of winning is 2/3 whereas selecting one door yields only 1/3 chance. In the scenario here, you initially select one door and then are given the opportunity to select two doors - you win if EITHER of the two doors is not a goat - there's only 1/3 chance that both of the doors are goats. The illusion is that by switching, you are selecting only one door.
@MrLuffy9131
@MrLuffy9131 11 месяцев назад
I mean are you taking a test so you are allowed to check two answer boxes say C and D for example to get more of a chance to get it right? XD
@Huzaifa-or9sn
@Huzaifa-or9sn 10 месяцев назад
​@@MrLuffy9131😂same q??
@KeithHiew
@KeithHiew 9 месяцев назад
Probably the most layman and simple explanation I’ve heard so far.
@DBCOOPER888
@DBCOOPER888 8 месяцев назад
Using that logic there's a 66% chance either door will win, so you're still back to a toss up.
@shlomobauer6355
@shlomobauer6355 8 месяцев назад
Imagine that you pick door 1 - and then you are given the option to switch to both door 2 and door 3 -- meaning that if you switch and EITHER door 2 or door 3 has the prize you win. Will you switch? Of course you would because, there's a 2/3 chance that prize is either behind door 2 or door 3 and only a 1/3 chance it is behind door 1. Telling you that the prize is not behind door 2 before giving you the choice to switch doesn't affect the 2/3 chance you get by switching.
@emiya9611
@emiya9611 Год назад
imagine if Ben asked Fisher for extra help to take down Micky Rosa
@RedJoker9000
@RedJoker9000 Месяц назад
I mastered card counting thanks to this movie. Was a loner type who liked Sci and Tech the most. Saw the movie and spent my vast free time "practice card counting". Funny a teacher wanted to learn too. (Taught him basics)
@user-ru5op2te9t
@user-ru5op2te9t 2 месяца назад
LOVE KEVIN 💕❤😅😅😅....Hope comes back to making movies 😀
@user-nx7gx6kw7v
@user-nx7gx6kw7v 5 месяцев назад
the way I prefer to explain this is by asking the same question but with 100 doors with a car behind one of them. If you pick a door, then I open 98 other doors all with goats, then that leaves just the one you picked and the one with the car behind, obviously you would switch because the chance you had of picking the right one first remains 1/100, therefore the chance of getting the car by switching is 99/100
@Thomas-gj6lc
@Thomas-gj6lc 3 месяца назад
I get the point of it but in all reality it is still a 50/50 chance assuming that all doors had equal chances to get a car
@alexstathopoulos165
@alexstathopoulos165 Год назад
This is called the Monty Hall problem
@geoffin99
@geoffin99 25 дней назад
You change-Let's look at it this way. 99 people play the game and agree to share the prizes. If this is right they should all change their first pick. The car is placed behind door 1, 33 times, door 2 33 times and door 3 , 33 times. All 99 contestants pick door 1, and all change to the remaining door left. That means that 66 will win the car. In case 1 where the car is behind door 1, they all pick door 1 and switch, those 33 all lose. In case 2, where the car is behind door #2, door # 3 has to be eliminated since they don't eliminate the door you picked. You switch you win. Same thing happens in case 3 when the door is behind #3. They eliminate #2, you switch from 1 to 3 and win. So, if you just work it out over a larger population it's easy to see why you switch.
@alexandrossassanis4183
@alexandrossassanis4183 27 дней назад
After you pick 1 door, you have remaining 2 doors. Those doors are more likely to be 1 goat + 1 car, rather than 2 goats. In numbers, there is a 66,6% likelihood that the remaining two doors are 1 goat+1 car. Simply put, it is more likely that the door with the car is included in the remaining 2 doors (after you pick your choice). THEN, the host shows you a wrong door, no matter what. He must do so. Considering the above, it more likely that the remaining door is the correct one , rather than not. Therefore, SWITCH , and you have 66.6 % of winning, the same as the possibility that the remaining doors after your initial choice are 1 goat + 1 car. NOTE: all scenarios are likely. No quarentee you will win. We are searching for the most likely…
@TheKpa11
@TheKpa11 11 месяцев назад
Bigger plot twist to account for You don’t want the car. You have to pay the insurance for it, and the game show host knows it.
@keyurbshrimali
@keyurbshrimali 11 месяцев назад
Yet bigger plot twist - You are from the middle east.
@Flotter-Flo
@Flotter-Flo 10 месяцев назад
The answer to the people who thought 50/50: There are essentially two hidden rules to the door he will open. He will never open the door you picked because then the question whether you wanna switch wouldn't make sense: If the car is there, you will have to say no to switching, if it isn't, you'll have to say yes. He will also never open the door with the car because that will mean that you already lost, and again the question about switching wouldn't make sense. So really, the answer lies within the fact that you are guaranteed the option to switch. This fact alone reveals that you should.
@yogeshlakshman8488
@yogeshlakshman8488 5 месяцев назад
Nice explanation
@happinesstan
@happinesstan 2 месяца назад
I agree, but the suggestion that you begin with a 33% chance is erroneous, as it is a 100% certainty that you will be offfered the 50/50. So whilst the 66% is an advantage, it is not as great as implied.
@bsimmons00
@bsimmons00 10 месяцев назад
I'm very impressed by the fact that you can use non-linear equations to get out of groomer charges...
@jjs9473
@jjs9473 8 месяцев назад
I do this with my 10th grade pupils as a maths teacher. Everyone gets an idea to find the best strategy for the monty hall problem by drawing a probability tree for each strategy. Its funny how they sell it as a test to find the only genius in your class.
@user-vb8pj5ew2x
@user-vb8pj5ew2x 9 месяцев назад
This is not "Game Theory" - this is "The Monty Hall Problem".. Some great acting by Spacey.
@ktktktktktktkt
@ktktktktktktkt 8 месяцев назад
which is an application of game theory
@mana8502
@mana8502 8 месяцев назад
​@@ktktktktktktktNo.
@michaelkarnerfors9545
@michaelkarnerfors9545 8 месяцев назад
@@ktktktktktktkt It is not, because the Monty Hall Problem is not a game. Or - to be more accurate - it is neither a _cooperative_ nor a _non-cooperative_ game between _rational agents_ .
@ktktktktktktkt
@ktktktktktktkt 8 месяцев назад
@@michaelkarnerfors9545 That is under the assumption that most popular analyses of the problem make but the host can make different decisions too.
@michaelkarnerfors9545
@michaelkarnerfors9545 8 месяцев назад
@@ktktktktktktkt Yeah: Monty never allowed the participant to change. 😁 That is an invention made from the problem.
@SukacitaYeremia
@SukacitaYeremia 11 месяцев назад
Last time I heard, Leo Da Vinci actually has wrote a solution that got pretty close to equating gravity or something along those lines
@bigbangtheory9833
@bigbangtheory9833 День назад
So, can I see it like this: Say I have two choices instead of one. I am my own host. I start by choosing a door of the three say A. I open it, see a goat,SWITCH to B or C. So here statistically I've got better odds by switching (i.e, the action of switching itself, 2/3 or 66%), then holding onto the door (1/3 or 33%). When the game in question begins and I choose one of the three doors, chances are the car is in the OTHER one as SWITCHING itself gives me higher odds as aided by the host when a door with a goat is opened, as now switching has only one door left. The problem statistically analizes the outcome by weighing between the choice to either switch (right 2/3 of the time) or hold (right 1/3 of the time). The car can be in the originally selected door then, just lower odds?
@kashmir5173
@kashmir5173 19 дней назад
Kevin Spacey's great acting makes this scene so natural.
@nightlessbaron
@nightlessbaron 8 месяцев назад
You have three doors: A, B, C. B contains the car, the other two contain goats. You have an option to choose twice. Once at the start and once after opening a door that contains a goat. Let's say that you choose to another door after host shows a different door. Here are the possible scenarios -- {First time Choose A, Second time Choose B, Host open Door C} -> you win, {First time Choose B, Second time Choose C, Host open Door A} -> you lose, {First time Choose C, Second time Choose B, Host open Door A} -> you win Probability of winning went to 67% boom!
@erranti07
@erranti07 7 месяцев назад
I don't think so. There are 2 possible ways for you to lose by choosing Door B the first time. You only listed one (1). It's still 2 on 2. 50/50
@nightlessbaron
@nightlessbaron 7 месяцев назад
​@@erranti07 It doesn't matter, regardless of whichever door opens, you loose in case 2
@erranti07
@erranti07 7 месяцев назад
​​@@nightlessbaronIt does matter. The reason you arrived at 66.67% probability is cause of the failure to account for the other possible event of losing when you choose Door B.
@nightlessbaron
@nightlessbaron 7 месяцев назад
@erranti07 I guess I can explain it in even more simpler terms. The question is whether we should choose another door or not after deciding on the first choice. So, we want to find P(choosing another door) and P(not choosing another door). Also, P(choosing another door) + P(not choosing another door) = 1. You have three doors: A, B, C. Also assume that you always choose door A on the first turn (you can repeat the same exercise with other 2 doors and average the results out --> you will end up with the same number). A B C Stay Switch Car Goat Goat Win Lose Goat Car Goat Lose Win Goat Goat Car Lose Win Thus, probability of winning if we switch doors is 2/3 and probability of winning is 1/
@nightlessbaron
@nightlessbaron 7 месяцев назад
@@erranti07haha nah nah, it’s nice to see you spent time to figure it out. It’s actually a pretty famous problem called Monty Hall problem 😊
@anshuldwivedi1919
@anshuldwivedi1919 Год назад
I was asked this game show problem in one of the interviews a year ago and I fked it up big time.
@aravindnarayanan5664
@aravindnarayanan5664 Месяц назад
Kevin Spacey is such a brilliant actor!
@rudraksh7964
@rudraksh7964 11 месяцев назад
The simplest way to understand is that say you have picked door A and say door C gets eliminated now the chances of door B being correct increase by some amount because it was not eliminated but the chances of door A didn't increase because it wasn't eliminated because we picked it
@readjordan2257
@readjordan2257 11 месяцев назад
I prefer set theory. The doors you pick and didnt pick form 2 sets. The probability between those sets dont change. Your 33% vs the non-yours 66%.
@michaelkarnerfors9545
@michaelkarnerfors9545 8 месяцев назад
Monty Hall never offered to switch. He would sometimes build tension by showing a door, but the contestant was locked into their choice. So the whole problem is much ado about nothing. But - yeah - Ben's answer is correct, *under the following circumstances* : 1. The game show host _does_ know where the winning door is 2. The game show host _will_ always _choose_ to open a door where there is a goat. 3. The contestant does want a car and not a goat. (ref: xkcd #1284)
@drcsaikiran
@drcsaikiran 7 месяцев назад
Haha.
@wick9462
@wick9462 11 месяцев назад
For those who are confused - Initially the probability of winning was 33.3%(for the door 1) and probability of losing was 66.6% ( for other 2 doors). Now when its revealed that in door 3 theres a goat , the entire 66.6% of probability is shadowed on door 2. U would think that its 50% but that would be incorrect as it doesn't follow the causality principal
@bullspun3594
@bullspun3594 11 месяцев назад
Mythbusters did an incredible experiment on this, which concluded most people will stay with their first choice, yet should switch.
@p-opremont
@p-opremont 11 месяцев назад
@@bullspun3594 Would you happen to have a link for that
@bullspun3594
@bullspun3594 11 месяцев назад
@@p-opremont Actually of all the clips I do have from that show that one I don't have, I know it's from the episode Wheel of Mythfortune.
@dennischen2642
@dennischen2642 11 месяцев назад
yep only 50/50 if the first choice is relinquished and whats behind the door is shuffled.
@MrLuffy9131
@MrLuffy9131 11 месяцев назад
why does the percentage stay the same when you literally have two choices
@zeroqll
@zeroqll 7 дней назад
The simplest explanation is: You have 33,3% that the car will be behind the door You picked, 66,7% that the car will be behind the other 2 doors. If the host reveals one door that he knows there is no car, he only can chose the door, if You picked the correct door in the first place, otherwise he can't and can only open one door that he knows has got no car. Therefore when You are given the chance to pick again the propability for the doors doesn't change, it's still 33,3% for your door, or 66,7% the other doors (of which one was eliminated by the host). It's like the host asked You after your initial pick: do You want to open Your door, or all other doors. If there were 100 doors, and You pick one door, you have 1% chance of finding the car, 99% that the car is in the other doors, if the host reveals 98 other doors he knows have no car and leaves one door. The question is: when there will be no car in the door the host left? Only when You picked the right one initialy, and the door You picked had 1% of being right, the other were 99%, that's why You pick the other.
@toptenguy1
@toptenguy1 11 месяцев назад
I think they omitted something in this explanation. I totally DID NOT get it while watching the movie, but when Youtubing a few other explanations, it made perfect sense.
@ghostaccountlmao
@ghostaccountlmao 11 месяцев назад
For a more intuitive approach, consider instead of 3 doors there are 100. You still pick 1 door initially, a 1% shot. The host opens 98 doors, leaving your door and another door unopened. The prize is still not visible. Now one could say "well, now it's a 50/50 shot", but does that sound correct? Do you really think there's a 50% chance that you chose correctly prior to all of them opening? The fact is that there is still a 1% chance that you were correct and still a 99% chance that you are incorrect. However, now, your actual OPTIONS have consolidated - the chance never changes, simply the option of representation did. So you should switch your choice.
@Rustie_za
@Rustie_za 5 месяцев назад
This is the best explanation and people just seem to ignore it.
@bobon123
@bobon123 10 месяцев назад
Honestly, if someone responds correctly so fast to the MH problem it just means that he already heard it - not so strange in nerdy environments. You are not testing anything in particular.
@awileksand
@awileksand 8 месяцев назад
True that. But this is a movie and the scene is showing that the young dude is a bit of a quick thinking genius. At the same time giving the audience the chance to recognize the question and feel good about it :-) Great script in my opinion, even if it's not super realistic.
@JSmellerM
@JSmellerM 5 месяцев назад
That's true. Before hearing of this I would've never switched. Why? I didn't think about odds and believe in picking right the first time.
@Thinklair
@Thinklair 8 месяцев назад
When I was at college (in the early 90s) it was called the Newton-Raphson method.
@justinhobart8226
@justinhobart8226 4 месяца назад
To put it more obviously, imagine there are 1000 doors, you pick one and the host opens 998 of the 999 doors you didn’t choose revealing nothing (or a goat if you want to stick with that analogy). Now, do you keep your answer or change it? Obviously you change it, the odds that you picked the right door are 0.1% and since only one other door could be the answer, the odds that it is correct is 99.9%
@ThyVincent
@ThyVincent 11 месяцев назад
A simple way to get it; when you choose to switch, you essentially pick the 2 other doors, then have a free pass to safely remove 1 goat room
@iMacxXuserXx485
@iMacxXuserXx485 6 месяцев назад
I would say the simplest explanation is: there is a chance your host had no choice but to open door 3 because the car was in door 2. The fact this is a possible scenario makes door 2 more likely to be the right door statiscally. Before door 2 and door 1 were the same. Now door 2 is more special than door 1 because the host chose door 3 instead of door 2. Then consider all the scenarios of why they would choose door 3 to open. There's a 50% chance they choose it because the car is behind door 2. And there's a 50% chance they choose door 3 at random because a goat is behind both doors. You should add the likelihood that the host opened door 3 because they couldn't open door 2 to your overall probability that the car is behind door 2. That is why it's more likely to be in door 2.
@MaloPiloto
@MaloPiloto 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for your concise explanation of this problem. You made the answer clear by stating that door 2 is more special. Much better than other explanations I have read!
@MaloPiloto
@MaloPiloto 5 месяцев назад
To go further, is it fair to say that switching to door 2 doesn’t just improve the odds? Rather, it means a certain win, because the host obviously couldn’t open doors 1 (your door) or 2 (the car is there). As such, switching created a sure winner?
@mustafaakpinar4288
@mustafaakpinar4288 Месяц назад
Let me explain it in another way: Make the door count 100, instead of 3. You pick a door, let's say 57. Then the host opens 98 of them and keeps door 57 and let's say door 14 closed. And he asks you if you wanna switch your choice. Would you? Of course, you would... You had a chance of %1, now you have %99...
@actualBIAS
@actualBIAS 4 месяца назад
I love the fact how well the standard internet user is educated these days due to open source education and state education. Globalisation isn't bad as you'll see if you scroll down the comment section. Maybe I'm biased because it's a math related topic, but anyway, I'm proud to be human in moments like these.
@ccBallistic
@ccBallistic 9 месяцев назад
This only applies if you know the host is always going to open a door after you make the first choice. If the decision to open a door or not is conditional, or arbitrary, this falls apart.
@IdkMaybeShawn
@IdkMaybeShawn 8 месяцев назад
the problem takes as its premise an established game show that people were generally familiar with, so I think that's a little moot. Whatever the criteria are for whether or not to open a door (including complete randomness), the player would be able to leverage statistics to have a similar or greater chance of winning, provided he has access to the problem's history (e.g., previous episodes of the show). For instance, If the decision whether to offer the switch is random, then the same logic applies: once the host opens a door and shows you a goat, you get a +33.3% boost by switching. If he doesn't open a door and offer you a switch then it's outside the bounds of the problem as there's no decision to be made, so those cases don't count. Another example, the above reply about the host ONLY offering a switch if you picked the car means that upon being offered a switch, you'd have guaranteed 100% win chance by declining. In fact I can't think of any criteria for how the host behaves that would leave you with worse than a 66.7% chance (either by staying or switching), once it's established that the player has been shown one of the doors and is offered a switch.
@drsomto007
@drsomto007 8 месяцев назад
That's the whole point
@djmc8505
@djmc8505 7 месяцев назад
...uhhh the host could definitely open a door if you chose a goat @@GregoireLamarche
@PrestigeLearning
@PrestigeLearning 6 месяцев назад
Right. The screenwriters didn't understand the Monty Hall Dilemma. The host's free will changes the problem by introducing an unknown variable
@PrestigeLearning
@PrestigeLearning 6 месяцев назад
@@djmc8505 You misunderstood GregoireLamarche's point. HYPOTHETICALLY, if the host only opens a goat-door when you've chosen the car, you should NEVER switch when he does so.
@henry_9
@henry_9 9 месяцев назад
So basically there are only two ways to win this game. 1) You pick the right door initially and not switch the door. The probability of this is 33%. 2) You pick the wrong door initially and switch the door. The probability of this is 66%. So based on this, switching door will give you a better chance to the win the game.
@aaronanderson6958
@aaronanderson6958 4 месяца назад
Why? Not switching your door is in fact choosing the door out of two. It'd be no different if you decided to switch. You're asked which of these two doors you'd like. Staying or swapping is a new decision, not related to the original one. The odds are 50% regardless of what your first choice was since that wasn't the door that was revealed.
@RonaldABG
@RonaldABG 4 месяца назад
@@aaronanderson6958 The contents are not shuflled again for the second part. If you already had a goat behind your door before the revelation, that goat will still be there after the revelation, and the same with the car. So by staying with your door you cannot win more times than if no option was ever revealed and only the first part of the game existed. This is better seen in the long run. If you played 900 times, you would be expected to start selecting the door that hides each of the three contents (goatA, goatB and car) in about 300 games (1/3 of 900). So in total 600 times a goat and 300 times the car. As the host always reveals a goat from the two doors that you did not pick, in the 600 games that yours already had a goat, the revealed goat must be the second one, so the car must have been left in the switching door. Only in the 300 attempts in which you started selecting the car, the switching door will have a goat. Therefore, despite you always end with two closed doors, which you originally picked only happens to be correct 300 times (1/3 of 900), while the other that the host had to leave closed happens to be correct 600 times (2/3 of 900).
@r448191
@r448191 3 месяца назад
@@aaronanderson6958 I also thought this until I realized that the hosts choice has 2 constraints, not 1: it must reveal a goat and it must not be the door you picked. The door you picked was never up for consideration to be eliminated so the chance remains 1/3. The remainder of 2/3 has to be attributed to the only other choice left.
@martinxvidxb
@martinxvidxb 10 месяцев назад
Had to weite it down to believe. It works. There are 3 cases. W after door number means a win. Your first choise is always door 1. Case 1: 1w,2,3. 3 is reveled as a loss. You switch to door 2 and you lose. Case 2: 1,2w,3. 3 is revealed as a loss. You switch to door 2 and you win. Case 3: 1,2,3w. 2 is revealed as a loss. You switch to door 3 and you win. If you dont switch, you win only case 1. If you switch, you win case 2 and case 3.
@siddhartha7241
@siddhartha7241 3 месяца назад
Your explanation is simple and enlightening for people like me.
@nicknelsen6897
@nicknelsen6897 2 месяца назад
This entirely assumes the host would even consider opening an alternative door in the first place.... WHICH YOU DON'T KNOW.
@Tiktokkaki
@Tiktokkaki Год назад
If the first door he chooses is really car then the host did all that and he changed his door, he be so mad at statistics after that 😂
@gregai8456
@gregai8456 7 месяцев назад
You missed the point
@Tiktokkaki
@Tiktokkaki 7 месяцев назад
@@gregai8456 no point is missed
@gregai8456
@gregai8456 7 месяцев назад
@@Tiktokkaki you think so because you don't understand statistics.
@Tiktokkaki
@Tiktokkaki 7 месяцев назад
@@gregai8456 then u also missed the point of my point
@gregai8456
@gregai8456 7 месяцев назад
@@Tiktokkaki because your point is outcome based and irrelevant.
@nikushim6665
@nikushim6665 11 месяцев назад
Its the old Monty Hall problem, this scene is extremely exaggerated because most people studying statistics would of already heard of it and knew the answer. As for the "Inspired by real events" aspect, that was marketing Bulls@*$. The film was just a adaptation of the book "Bringing Down the House", most of the book was fictional.
@JohnDoe-lc9yj
@JohnDoe-lc9yj 5 месяцев назад
Ben is the kind of student, who when he gets an answer that is different than the teacher's edition, the professors rechecks the teacher's edition for errors.
@slshusker
@slshusker 3 месяца назад
Memories of Monday, Wednesday, Friday college classes that lasted 50 minutes per class for 16 weeks, and all the homework flash back. Don't miss it.
@Shotgunz999
@Shotgunz999 6 месяцев назад
if you think the answer is 50/50 read this: its literally this easy: if you assume you always switch doors, in every scenario that you pick a goat at the beginning you win because you have a goat chosen, other one is revealed and the moment you swap the only thing you can land on is the prize. and the fact that there is a 2/3 chance to pick a goat at the beginning means you have a 2/3 chance to win. its this simple.
@jmike66
@jmike66 11 месяцев назад
I wish someone - Marilyn Vos Savant, the makers of this movie, SOMEONE! - would finally get it right and explain that this only works when there is an a priori agreement (or sufficient previous observation) that the game show host is going to open a door after your first guess. Otherwise, the host could, for example, simply open your door immediately whenever you pick a goat - in which case it doesn't matter how frequently he exposes a goat otherwise, your best strategy is to stand pat. Bridge players know of a variation on the Monty Hall problem called the Law of Restricted Choice, that has a similar issue with assumptions. If your opponent doesn't randomize when playing an honor out of king-queen, the simple formulation of Restricted Choice fails in a way similar to how the Monty Hall strategy argument fails.
@aheroictaxidriver3180
@aheroictaxidriver3180 11 месяцев назад
You are incorrect.
@soriba391
@soriba391 11 месяцев назад
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 explain how then!
@aheroictaxidriver3180
@aheroictaxidriver3180 11 месяцев назад
@@soriba391 The solution is valid irrespective of any agreement or special knowledge involving the contestant. Since the contestant is WRONG 2/3 of the time with his first choice, switching gives him a 2/3 chance of being right. You're confused because you think the object is to find the car. Or maybe you think the object is to know what the host knows. Even if there is no actual car, and the contestant only believes there is one, switching is better.
@aheroictaxidriver3180
@aheroictaxidriver3180 11 месяцев назад
@@soriba391 The remaining door is just the BEST GUESS at where the car is, if there is a car.
@soriba391
@soriba391 11 месяцев назад
@@aheroictaxidriver3180 Oh damn, from a mathematical perspective you're absolutely right. But since the motivation of the contestant is still the car does it mean from that point on his decision, even if he doesn't switch and still get's the car in the end, is kinda illogical. Sorry, can't phrase it better (not my first language)
@Expatlife0310
@Expatlife0310 8 месяцев назад
At first, I did not understand the logic and theory explained in this scene. However, after going through several comments and explanations online, it did make sense. I will try to explain some important points to understand the theory. 1) After the door 3 is open, this is just the second part of the same problem. It is obvious that taken independently, there are then 2 doors and 50% chance of choosing right. However, it is important to see that as the second part of the same problem / equation and not an independent one. 2) It's statistics and probabilities. It doesn't mean the right door, in this scene the one with the new car, is door 1, 2 or 3.It's about understanding what choice / what door has the most chances of being the right one. If we keep doing this experiment thousands of times, what door will be correct the most often. 3) This is something which is not mentioned in the scene but which is implicit. This is after understanding this and it made sense to me. When you choose 1 door out of 3, let's say like Ben the door 1, you have 33.3% of chance choosing right (this would be the same if you chose door 2 or door 3).However, that implies that you have 66.7% of choosing wrong. Those 66.7% mean that the right door is elsewhere, either door 2 or door 3. We don't know which one, but statistically, it would be one of them. If it's either 2 or 3 and that the game show host indicates it's not door 3, then logically it should be door 2.Consequently, it is in our interest to switch from door 1 to door 2.Again, as explained in 2), it doesn't mean it's 100% correct. It means switching the door has the most chances of winning and will win the most often if we perform this experiment hundreds or thousands of times. It is similar to surveys...The larger the sample is, the more accurate / correct the outcome is. 4) To understand better, we can take the example of a deck of cards, 52 cards. Let's say you pick one without looking at it. What are the chances of you picking your favorite card, let's say for the example ace of spades?1 chance out of 52, about 2%.It is much more likely that the ace of spades is in the rest of the deck than the card in your hand. You don't know which card is the ace of spades, but you guess it's somewhere in the deck. Following probabilities, it is in your interest to switch your card with the rest of the deck. Now, if you reveal 50 cards out of the 51 cards left in the deck and the ace of spades isn't any of them, you will end up in a similar situation as the 3 doors and the movie scene. It may appear as a 50%/50%.However, we said earlier that even though we couldn't tell which card it was, it must be in the deck. In conclusion, it is likely the last card in the deck and it is in your interest to change your initial choice.
@insignificantfool8592
@insignificantfool8592 7 месяцев назад
Now imagine I pick a card from the deck, look at it and pronounce "I am holding the Ace of Hearts." What is the probability that this is true?
@Expatlife0310
@Expatlife0310 7 месяцев назад
@@insignificantfool8592 52 cards in a deck so 1 chance out of 52 which is a probability of 1.9%
@insignificantfool8592
@insignificantfool8592 7 месяцев назад
@@Expatlife0310 You're wrong. The probability is 50%. I could either be lying or not. Your calculation is only correct if I told you beforehand that I would be asking for the Ace of Hearts. This difference is at the heart of the misunderstanding concerning the Monty Hall Problem.
@jaysmith3361
@jaysmith3361 28 дней назад
Game is Door1Goat - Door2Car - Door3Goat 33% of game - If I choose Door 1, the host will open Door 3. If I change my choice to Door 2, I win. 33% of game - If I choose Door 2, the host will open Door 3 or Door 1, if I change my choice of Door 2, I lose. 33% of game - If I choose Door 3, the host will open Door 1, if I change my choice to Door 2, I win. Looking at the game as a whole, if the host opens a door, I have a 66% (33% + 33%) chance of winning - only if I change my choice; if I don't change my choice, I have a 33% chance of winning. I had to work it out for myself from the @Gonedop comment. It's crazy smart - I work from choices, but the correct answer is from assessing each probability - that's why I'd never be able to work it out on my own.
@MrLeiduowen
@MrLeiduowen 9 месяцев назад
This looks like a good state university somewhere in the Midwest. I would like to have a patient professor like this😊
@paris9332
@paris9332 7 месяцев назад
😂😂😂
@burgerman1234567
@burgerman1234567 11 месяцев назад
The problem misses a component: the host is supposed to open a door with a goat not any door. Otherwise, If the game host acts to maximize the chances of the player loosing, he would always open the door with the car if he has the opportunity to do so, resulting in the strategy being completely reversed (and the chances of winning being 33,33% in any case).
@iv4nGG
@iv4nGG 11 месяцев назад
No it doesn’t… 1:32 Host knows whats behind the doors… F
@burgerman1234567
@burgerman1234567 11 месяцев назад
@@iv4nGG read my comment. If the host knows what is behind the door and must make everything he can so that the player looses, he will always open the door where the car is (assuming that the player has chosen the wrong door) - thus preventing the player to win
@jackroberts416
@jackroberts416 11 месяцев назад
True
@burgerman1234567
@burgerman1234567 11 месяцев назад
@@jackroberts416 (small question- did you amend your answer? When I receive the e mail notification of your answer, it was a long one!)
@rolef6084
@rolef6084 11 месяцев назад
@@burgerman1234567 well if he allows you to switch doors id just pick the door w the car then 😂
@othmanjehad7559
@othmanjehad7559 9 месяцев назад
simply : if we say (goat-car-goat) and you choose door 1 and the host choose door 3 what happens exactly is that the host qualified one door between door 2 and 3 , but door 1 which you choose is a random choose , it is still really hard to think about this way so let me give you a huge and no way to doubt example >>>> lets say that we have 100 door instead of 3 and u choose door 1 for example , the host opened 98 doors from the remaining 99 doors and behind those 98 there are goats and give u the chance to change ur selection would u change ,,,, now it is clear that u should change to the other door because what happened is that (why would this only door which could be from door 2 to door 100) be chosen from the 99 doors , there is something special about this door that it has been qualified from a 99 doors from the host of coarse , if you changed the door it is 99% that this is the true door that has a car behind it ,,,, now if we go back to the first example it is now clear why the percentage is 66.6 to 33.3 not 50 to 50 and key word in the whole problem that changed the percentages I would call it (QUALIFICATION of doors)
@noblesleem1077
@noblesleem1077 5 месяцев назад
Kevin Spacey is one hell of an actor
@guitarmaniacgino
@guitarmaniacgino 5 месяцев назад
"Sorry, what's your name?" "I'm Peter. Peter Parker."
@vunguyenchannel
@vunguyenchannel 11 месяцев назад
But if the host already knows which door has the car, why wouldn’t he end the game right away since he knows Ben pick the wrong door? The only reason why he let Ben choose again is to give Ben a “choice”and hope that he switch the door and that only happens when Ben picked the correct door right from the beginning.
@cgonz8
@cgonz8 11 месяцев назад
Then there would be no game show. The player loses every time? I'll pass.
@LeericOHM
@LeericOHM 11 месяцев назад
I don't think you know how game shows work 😂
@kevinrosenberg4368
@kevinrosenberg4368 11 месяцев назад
It's true, it's a key part of the problem to assume that the host MUST ALWAYS show you a goat behind one of the doors that you didn't pick, and then offer you the choice to switch. If that is the consistent structure of the problem, then the math holds. Obviously if the host can do whatever they want, and didn't have to offer you any choice, or show you what was behind any doors, then you can't soundly make inferences anymore.
@aheroictaxidriver3180
@aheroictaxidriver3180 11 месяцев назад
He ALWAYS gives the contestant a chance to change his mind. And he ALWAYS opens one of the bad doors. That's the way the show works. No matter which door Ben chose, there was a bad door to show.
@aheroictaxidriver3180
@aheroictaxidriver3180 11 месяцев назад
@@kevinrosenberg4368 Incorrect. No matter what the host's motives or past behavior, in this specific sequence, you should change. That's the point.
@tad684
@tad684 11 месяцев назад
Here’s the true problem…ben’s 97% paper lol 😂 I wonder what the director was thinking giving Ben 97% and not 100%?
@dennischen2642
@dennischen2642 11 месяцев назад
yea. 97% is Asian Fail.
@LtFocus
@LtFocus 10 месяцев назад
Because college professiors and graduate TAs are stingy assholes who never give 100%s
@nomarxistspls90
@nomarxistspls90 10 месяцев назад
Because getting 100% on math papers at university is unrealistic..
@EdithKFrost
@EdithKFrost 11 месяцев назад
When the host opened door 3 and revealed the goat, you are guaranteed to win if you switch and chose wrong originally; hence the probability of winning if you switch equals to the probability that you chose wrong originally, which equals 2/3.
@jeffreybual
@jeffreybual 22 дня назад
Movie is titled ‘21’ released in 2008
@alexstathopoulos165
@alexstathopoulos165 Год назад
I wrote a program to prove this and by swapping doors I found the car 66% of the time
@domskillet5744
@domskillet5744 Год назад
Just saw a guy say "I'm a professional mathematician and I disagree with this." Like fr all you have to do is run the simulation yourself to get 2/3 and you don't even need a computer program to do it cuz it's not that complex lol. Some pro mathematician that guy is lol
@alexstathopoulos165
@alexstathopoulos165 2 месяца назад
@@BlaqEndeavor send me your email address. It's in python so you will need idle or similar to run it
@PokerJunkie83
@PokerJunkie83 5 месяцев назад
This was such an underrated film. The way Ben played Mickey at the end was absolutely priceless… and I mean that literally and figuratively 😂 Leave the bag… 🔫
@psion1391
@psion1391 10 месяцев назад
I find it funny, that the prof asks why Raphson doesn't get any credit for it, but Newton-Raphson method is just another name for this method. He does get credit.
@JSmellerM
@JSmellerM 5 месяцев назад
But movie gotta movie. No one watching this will know because it's not the main plot device, it's just a cute little scene to get you interested in the movie.
@kevinobrien9626
@kevinobrien9626 11 месяцев назад
Very dexterous wielding of the index finger. It really paid off, all that practice with size YS fruit-of-the-looms.
@Illiadofmalorne
@Illiadofmalorne Год назад
The thing I don't get, is if instead of switching to door #2, you don't "stay" with door #1 but instead pick it again a fresh new time, wouldn't it also have a 50% chance?
@vitormoreira5012
@vitormoreira5012 Год назад
I took some time to understand it too, what helped me was thinking like this: There is 2 scenarios, the one that you switch and the one that you dont. Now lets see what it would take to win in each one of this two scenarios: If you are in the scenario that you dont switch: the only way to win would be if you picked the prize right away. Since there is one prize and two goats. The chances are 1/3. Now in the scenario that you do switch: You win if you pick one of the goats in the first pick. Since you would be picking one goat, the host would eliminate the other, and since in this scenario you are garantee to switch, you would switch to the door with the prize. But the thing is, there is two goats, so your chances are 2/3. Basically, if you switch you are aiming for the goats, if you dont you are aiming for the prize. And its easier to aim for the goats because there is more of them.
@vitormoreira5012
@vitormoreira5012 Год назад
Hope this is clear enough, english is not my first language
@olivermahon5618
@olivermahon5618 Год назад
1/3 of the time you pick the right door originally then you switch and pick the wrong door 2/3 of the time you pick the wrong door originally, now he will open the other wrong door meaning if you switch you will pick the correct door So if you switch it's 2/3 that you get the correct door
@rolef6084
@rolef6084 Год назад
How you can also see it is if u picked a door, the chance is 67% that it is a goat meaning the other 2 doors contain 1 goat and the car. When the host runs into that 67% that he has to close the goat, meaning the other door that you didnt pick 100% guarantees a car.
@pedobear8071
@pedobear8071 Год назад
No because originally you had 33%, the guy let you know which one of the 2 remaining doors is bad. If he had taken away one of the incorrect doors BEFORE you picked an initial one as your best bet, then it would 50%, but since he took a false door away AFTER you already picked one, you instead have a 66% chance.
@beamdriver5
@beamdriver5 Год назад
So, here's the problem with this and it was demonstrated by the late, great Monty Haul himself. If the game show host always opens one of the two remaining doors after you pick, then the correct move is to switch. But what if he doesn't? What if you select a door with a goat behind it and the host, knowing this, just opens it and doesn't give you a chance to switch? If the host has the option to allow you switch or not, then the question isn't one of math, it's "is the host messing with me?"
@EtoileLion
@EtoileLion Год назад
The question does have two dependant facts, only one of which is overtly stated in this clip: 1) The host knows which door has the car behind it (so they know which door NOT to open), and 2) The host is unbiased. If either one of these isnt true, the situation falls apart (the host accidentally opens the door with the car behind it; the game's over, you lose; or the host can choose to open your door immediately, you lose).
@beamdriver5
@beamdriver5 Год назад
@@EtoileLion exactly so. Google "Behind Monty Hall's Doors: Puzzle, Debate and Answer?" and you'll find a New York Times article with a good discussion of the math and psychology behind this conundrum. Monty Hall himself demonstrates how the host can and will manipulate the outcome. After all, the idea is that this is a game show. So the host is going to do what they can to make it more entertaining. There's no way they'd simply be an unbiased robot. Who would watch a show like that?
@EtoileLion
@EtoileLion Год назад
@@beamdriver5 Anyone who's ever watched a lottery draw?
@jangelaclough5457
@jangelaclough5457 11 месяцев назад
But then if the host doesnt allow you to switch or doesn't reveal a door, then this is a completely different problem. Take the first scenario: you choose a door and the host reveals it right away. 33% chance of success. Second scenario: you choose and the host doesn't reveal anything but asks if you want to switch. Well, you haven;t learned anything new, so 33% chance of success. Even if you don't know if he will reveal a door, but does so anyway and reveals a goat, you should still switch. If, on the other hand, you're assuming the host plays with the specific goal of trying to get you to fail (revealing when you guessed wrong, asking to switch when you guessed right, and random for confusion), then this ends up just being game theory without any REAL answer of the best choice and isn't a good scenario. Think of the princess bride scene. There really is no good choice.
@readjordan2257
@readjordan2257 11 месяцев назад
That doesnt seem relevant really. Its like talking about Go and you mentioned "but what if the bishop takes the pawn?" Well thats a good question, but nothing to do with Go. Youre trying to say there's something wrong with Go, because it doesnt account for Chess moves without acknowledging that you conflated all board games into one lump in the process. This, in turn, leads to nonsense, as i can come back and say that your idea makes no sense because my pawn cant be taken because it has a get out of jail free card, and activated Yugi Motos trap card.
@kamleshbhatia9551
@kamleshbhatia9551 3 дня назад
So for people who are confused, let me give you the reverse example. If the host gives you the opportunity to select 2 doors out of 3, you now have 66% chance of winning. Suppose you selected 1&2 and he shows you goat in 1 and ask if you want to switch from 2 to 3, you don't. Because when you selected your 2 doors, your probability of winning was 66%, and you should not return that higher probability back to host by switching it.
@lennykogginsofficial
@lennykogginsofficial 3 месяца назад
I saw this in the theater with my middle school crush, her older sister drove us and watched it with us.
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