If that's the route we're going with this, we have to talk about Lapras. There is a guy who said he spent his childhood afternoons breeding and releasing Lapras back in genII because the pokedex said they were endagered. Fast forward to genVII, now it says that due to peoples efforts wild Lapras' numbers have rise to the point it is no longer in risk of extinction
Honestly, given that Voltorb and Electrode are deliberately meant to resemble Pokeballs to serve as traps, I think it's likely that they transitioned from an apricot design to a more metallic design in order to continue tricking trainers who had largely switched to using more modern Pokeballs (presumably since the Apricorn Pokeballs were gathered unsustainably)
Personally, my expectation is that Arceus's plan was twofold: To send you from the future into the past to encourage humans and Pokemon to become symbiotic, but also sent you BACK to the future with the knowledge of how these Hisuian forms became extinct with the expectation that modern civilization would be able to bring them back. Peat may be gone from Sinnoh, but it can still be imported or possibly substituted with a synthetic. And today the region relies much more on renewables so its value as a possible fuel source is very much diminished. The same goes for apricorns: Gone from Sinnoh, still available in Johto, etc. Stantler may have lost its natural ability to learn the move, but a TM could be developed to teach it to captive Stantler. And so on and so forth.
peat is plant organisms that died and ended up in the water, so the great swamps should have some peat still. so yeah, peat making a comeback could totaly happen :D
If anyone is curious, Basculegion and Hisui Zorua line are excluded as it was humans hunting them that allowed them to exist. When humans stopped doing such, basculin stopped evolving and Zorua/Zoroark lost their hatred of humans.
@@bt12310 No, sorry I understand I was kinda shy in my wording. What I mean is where did all the Zorua go? To Unova? That’s a while away, there’s no way *all* of the Zorua went to Unova. Maybe they did tho.
Alternatively, without the player’s intervention, humans may have simply tried to exterminate all Pokémon entirely out of fear. Arceus could have been trying to avert the worst case scenario.
agree. matpat just can't help but make everything sound like the main characters fault. or that the main characters are evil. it is like a running gag that evolved into a overused running gag. these theorys are way too cheep. anyone can make these theories with little effort in them and have the same results. it is overall boring.
@@MegaDragonmark yes, everyone can, but not everyone will. Mostly because it does require effort. Making a video like this isn't as easy as you think. However, i do agree that GameTheory is overusing, "The Player is EVIL" shock factor click bait.
seriously. its just relating what we did as humanity to the environment. so on and so forth. i already know that humanity is a pain. i do not need more reasons to hate it more.
Well, to be fair, the player doesn't exactly have a choice, Mat... they're given an ultimatum by the leaders of the Galaxy expedition - either help them collect pokemon and be given a home and food, or left to die in the wilderness. Cyrus' ancestor says so herself. The fact that they're from the future and have knowledge that they don't is just an advantage. XD
also, hes straight up wrong about the future knowledge. you the player have that knowledge, the character doesn't, even at the start they point out you dont remember anything about where you come from
@@thunderborn3231 That might be true, but it's more of an instinct than a memory. You're instinctively aware that pokemon are helpful, and some are even docile. So a loss of memory wouldn't affect it since it's hard-wired from when you were in the future.
Perhaps Arceus had another motive. They saw that without the player's intervention, Volo, the "Pokemon Wielder" would have torn the world apart by driving Dialga/ Palkia mad. Volo himself posits that the player was sent to Hisui to prevent him from realizing his plans
I think Ursaluna might just have been a trait that wasn’t useful enough for Ursaring to keep. Honestly, the Pearl Clan wardens might have been the only ones who could be bothered to evolve an Ursaring. Ursaring are already apex predators, so why would they bother to find a peat block and keep it until a full moon? Assuming they’re even smart enough to understand their own evolution requirements, not only would they be wasting energy to search for the item instead of say, searching for food, they would also be losing all the benefits of being bipedal for a power boost they didn’t need in the first place.
yeah and i mean other than massive mass outbreaks there are no instances of ursaluna, sneasler, or kleavor in the wild. So evidently the clans were the ones evolving them, so when the clans went extinct, the evolutions did too.
There are several Pokémon who need an object to evolve and if you have played any of the Pokémon Dungeon games, you can see how smart and able Pokémon are and the things that they use on themselves in order to even survive. (Like they have their own special items for health, culture, currency and carry such things as revival seeds) So I would say if an Ursaring wanted to evolve to Ursaluna, they could do so if they desired to do that, like a Pokémon can also decide not to evolve at all (I mean Pokémon on the wild btw.). If you want Pokémon to do battle they would have to be smart enough to know what you are telling them. Shoot I wouldn't go this route but on the anime Team Rocket's Meowth has a whole personality. And any Movie that focuses on the Pokémon only also shows the complicated lives they lead and how capable they are. And I highly doubt the Clans were evolving the Pokémon, seeing how both were very against taking the will away from Pokémon, they let Pokémon choose if they wanted to be a companion or not. And we're even offended by the player at first.
@@hangsthemighty912 1, the pokemon in the mystery dungeon world are not the same as the ones in the world of the main line games. If they were as intelligent as the ones that have a full society, they wouldn’t be taking orders from humans or living like animals in the wild. 2, I didn’t say they weren’t capable of it if they wanted to, I said that, in the wild, there’s no real reason they *would* want to, again, as evidenced by the fact that you don’t encounter any Ursaluna in the wild while Ursaring are plentiful. 3, while yes, pokemon do have individual personalities, ones like Team Rocket’s Meowth or Sir Aaron’s Lucario that posses human level intelligence are very few and very far between And 4, Palina, a fellow Pearl Clan warden, tells the player that the clan at large is critical of her because she *wasn’t* forcing the Growlithe descended from the hero’s Arcanine to train harder, evolve, and become the Lord Pokemon, so there’s no reason to assume they wouldn’t be the same way about making sure the descendant of the hero’s Ursaluna also became an Ursaluna.
I read the title and just subconsciously said “yay” I knew catching every single growlithe I could and shoving them into a box all their own would do something
I think one problem with the Voltorb example is that they don't canonically reproduce naturally, and can only exist where Pokéballs exist. So it makes sense that they would be made of the kind of Pokéball that's in use. As metal Pokéballs became more popular, fewer wooden Voltorbs were created, and they eventually died out.
technically pokeballs aren't canonically made of metal. From what we know, they are still to this day made from apricorn as the only pokeballs we see that are made are the special pokeballs made by kurt, all being made from apricorn.
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@@MegaHuntress Probably to avoid being eaten by flesh-hungry predators, like a stick bug? Look like something other than your predator's food source and they won't bother you. Anything that thinks it's an apricorn will be caught off-guard and more easily fought off, if they even have any interest in eating the voltorb after it discovers it's an animal and not a nut.
I think the one issue you have is with Hisuian Forms. Because they didn’t “die” out, they evolved into the new current forms today. Like liligant’s are still alive, just no longer fighting type.
Those two terms arent mutually exclusive though - the domestic dog only evolved from a fraction of their ancestral wolf species, so you couldn't say that the species as a whole evolved into dogs. Just because a species arises from another doesn't mean the 'parent' species goes extinct either - domestic chickens account for the majority of birds on the planet but the junglefowl species their ancestors hail from still exist in the jungles of Southeast Asia.
But the Lilligants were native to Hisui but not in Sinnoh. Plus, we're talking evolution via natural selection. While the species as a whole didn't die out, the Hisuian varients most likely did die and the survivors were just those with more beneficial traits
I viewed Voltorb’s change was due to industrialization. Going from a moral rural environment to cities. Drawn to cities due to the transition from steam power to electric power. Thus their themeing evolved from wood to metal.
Actually, the starter's evolutions in this game (IE Decidueye, Typhlosion and Samurott) were Pokemon that Professor Laventon admits he bought here from another region, IE they're not native, they only have hisuian forms because it is mentioned that something effected their final evolutions from what they were supposed to be
For Decidueye specifically, his nature cloak is based on the Deciduous Forest, which changes with the seasons, it's likely Hisuian Decidueye is just a form taken when evolving in the colder climate
I don’t know, I personally think that the voltorbs and electodes evolved not from being hunted, but for camouflage. As the trees were harvested, they began to lose more and more places to hide, they evolved to look more like the thing the trees were used for, the pokeballs. To me, it really wouldn’t make much sense for them to evolve with pokeballs if they were being hunted because they looked the same. That is why it would make more sense for them to evolve with the pokeballs so that they could camouflage with them (which we have seen them do in the anime)
I'm glad you specified Pokémon being used for competitive sport. It's not animal pit fighting, because the Pokémon want to fight. They want to fight to better themselves, like martial artists. These battles are basically instinctual martial arts tournaments.
@@renzojeri_119 heck, if you look at the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon it seems that this drive for self improvement remains, even in a [almost?] Humanless world.
@@devilsadvocate1380 even in the anime (indigo league) there’s a trainer with a Pokémon that just left him after losing all their badges to team rocket, and meowth says that the said Pokémon wanted to get stronger and have a chance at being a Pokémon master and quit after all that hard work was wasted due to all their badges being stolen Speaking of badges does anyone even know where to get a rock badge after Brock left?
No, SOME of them want to fight. And that still doesn't work, because in animal pit fighting, animals are actively wound up or baiting into committing to the fight. So it can be pit fighting even WITH the pokemon's desire to fight.
Man. I would love to see a game theory about how Garganacl is absolutely the main export of the Paldea region; with Pokémon being generally region locked, and their entry being about how they use their salt on their fingers to heal pokemon, it makes sense that they would be farmed to use that salt to make healing food..
A decent few of the pokemon still have a chance of coming back, like missing items or forgotten moves, so imagine if gen 10 would get the player to slowly help the extinct pokmon to go back, such as finding enough scrap or a full piece of ore to help scyther evolve. Of course some of them are fine with where they are like voltorb but I think it would be a neat idea nonetheless!
We already have done that remember the fossil Pokémon they were extinct until we brought them back so tbh your right we have a way to do it already so why not
Being we see alot of these pokemon in S&V in the wild there not extinct. Mat is just ignoring facts because he wanted to make a pokemon video to jump on the pokemon train like he said at the start of the video
@@blo0dysmiles297 or maybe, and this is just maybe, those games already did all the work of fixing that. Specially for the pokemon who are not evolving due to forgetting a move or lacking the right item. That is not even considering that an animal/pokemon might be extint in one region but not in the other. As seen with how each region has a completely different list of pokemon.
Minor complaint here - Rowlett (and by extension its evolved forms) are native to Alola so Hisuian Decidueye is probably an example of speciation rather than extinction. It likely evolved into its grass/fighting form as a result of the environmental pressures of Hisui and is the first instance of its kind. You could probably say the same for Hisuian Samurott and various of the other regional forms discussed in this game, although the extinction argument does apply to the majority of species in this video. Typhlosion is a weird case, and it's possible Hisui was the the original form of the Pokemon because ties to Spiritomb before it naturally migrated to the connecting Johto region where it multiplied and became the dominant form (Bird Keeper Toby has a great theory on this).
Yeah, I was going to comment that I'm pretty sure The starters were specifically brought there from other regions and eventually when the civilization grew they didn't need to bring Pokemon from their home land to fight against the Pokemon as it was their home now and they tamed Turtwig, Chimchar and Piplup instead
I think oshawott and Rowlett being native is still possible , the starters are just rare Pokémon usually and their home region is just where they were first recorded , I.e charmanders are native to galar but since oak did the whole Pokédex thing with actual proper numbers as a “national” dex
Actually, their presence in this game and region could imply that they were initially native to Hisui but got introduced to Alola (there are a lot of Pokemon that AREN'T native to Alola) or Rowlet (and its evolved forms) used to exist in Hisui but were rendered extinct. Worth noting is that Rowlet and its evolved forms, looks-wise, are based off of the barn owl, which is the MOST widespread owl species there is.
Decidueye, Samurott and Typhlosion are different. They got a new form because they are not native to Hisui to begin with, Decidueye's natural habitat is a tropical island for example. They evolved to adapt the new environment. Even worse: they are now an invasive species to Hisui and it messes up the eco system.
well its debatable as while this does work explaining why there is no hisuian samurott or decidueye. You could transfer a cyndaquil into the original diamond and peal games and evolve it to a normal typhlosian. The starter you get is brought from another reigon so it isnt our definition of evolution causing this. Its much more likely that in ancient hisui there is some sort of energy causing them to change forms. Possibly the spacetime rift.
I think this is a really smart tactic to introduce new pokemon and explain why they're not there in the future, give them all reasons to go extinct. Very interesting!
The thing is that apricorns are still used for pokeballs though, so I would highly doubt that Sinnoh would import all of its apricorns. it's honestly more likely that it adapted to the new Pokéballs and changed its design. it's more likely that hisuian Voltorb is an ancestor then a new species
@@Cameron_Maguire well if they ran out and hunted voltorbs, then the extinction of those voltorbs wouldn't allow any more pokeballs to be made, and as op mentioned, apricorns are still used in pokeballs in modern games, so it's really unlikely for the video to be correct on that account
@@Tokuijin nope, same apricorn species as there are already stated different species in every gane with them, so if they dont even imply the pla apricorns change to modern then wheres the proof they do?
A few things feel wrong here Alternatively I think wyrdeer just didn't need the fur as temperatures rised And quilfish got weaker not because of hunting but because they weren't able to swim in the harsher currents that were being occupied by boats so they moved and assimilated with other quilfish
Mate, if Wyrdeer just didn't want fur, it wouldn't grow as much fur later on in evolution. The species wouldn't just stop existing. Also, there is no proof that other Quilfish exist.
@P delta 8:10 "A different form of quilfish live in other regions" it would make sense that researchers would bring those quilfish so they can study the differences
@@pdelta it didn't stop existing as a matter of fact not one of these creatures actually seem to of died off changed isn't the same as died off many of these pokemon still exist in different forms or simply stopped evolving but haven't died off
Consider this too for the voltorbs: in an effort to keep the last members of the species alive, HUMANS modified them to be metal in some way - we've done things like chopping off horns to protect species before, so I can totally see a group doing that to keep them alive - and it clearly worked.
The item Metal coat exists later in gen 2+. It's likely that some voltorbs/electrodes were coated by it and became the "metal" pokemon we know of since gen 1?
i agree but idk about chopping off horns to keep them alive... if anything we do that and end up killing them. maybe chopping off sheeps' tails so they dont get infections
I have to say tho, that getting your hands on enough apricorns to get the trees to vanish from the region is almost impossible unless every person catches thousands of Pokémon. Not to mention that there are fields at wgich apricorns can be planted. Overall the whole theory is pretty farfetched in the first place and doesn't make much sense when it comes to certain points.
Remember that Liiligant was confirmed in Scarlett and Violet and Hisuian Zorua/Zoroark are in from the Japanese website so it's possible that some of these pokemon migrated to other regions
There's also Pokemon Go to consider. Hisuian versions of; Voltorb, Electrode, Sneasel, Sneasler, Growlithe, Arcanine, Qwilfish, Overqwil, & Braviary, are all available in game.
I especially enjoy the theory outside of this that the husian sneasel was the original one, and then evolved into the form we know after being hunted by the gligar thrived in the area and can easily beat it. And sneasel became an ice type to fight back against the quad weak scoprion
I love how in MatPat's pokemon theories he's always so "Why did this happen?" When he knows the answer is because Game Freak needed some regional exclusives and they just wanted to use Arceus' region which is also the most popular region overall.
I have a friend who, without ever watching MatPat, has been into Pokemon lore for nearly two decades. He has remained fascinated by how incredible the world is and loves to talk about how well it's put together. I agree that they needed exclusives, but they also have fully set this stuff up and have *been* setting up things like this in the way they expand the world's pokemon. That said, i'm not really that big on much of the lore myself, i just enjoy watching MatPat overanalyze literally anything. But my friend has been talking about and noticing stuff like this in pokemon for ages.
The wyrdeer thing reminds me of neoteny. Neoteny is a phenomena where animals evolve to stay in their larval form. It's the reason why axolotl exist, and the best explanation for how vertebrates evolved from hemichordates
Actually, "neoteny" is where something retains juvenile traits in adulthood. Axolotls are a weird case because they have neoteny without having that selectively bred into them.
Also, apricorns are found in other regions. Johto, Unova and Alola are confirmed to have been discovered before hisui because of the starters. Kanto and kalos were too for Growlithe and avalugg. if you've gone to kalos then I can't see how you miss galar. Several of these regions have apricorn trees all around the place, so it just wouldn't be efficient to hunt a pokemon that can explode without warning
Professor Laventon is actually from Galar, so we know that it’s inhabited too. Honestly, given that this game is set during the Pokemon world’s equivalent of the annexation of Hokkaido, which happened in the 1860’s-1870’s, there’s no way that the colonization of Hisui wasn’t going to happen on it’s own. The player may have sped it up by completing the Pokédex, but it’s not like we were the only members of the survey corps working on the thing. It was inevitable.
Let's talk about Kamado's reaction to the cataclysmic events in game. He throws reason and logic out the door and goes full warmonger. I think Arceus preemptively brought us back to save either us or (more likely) Pokémon from being COMPLETELY wiped out in the region. Studies show that in the last 40 years, humans have been responsible for the extinction of 60% of species. Compare that to the 10% of lost Pokémon from over 140 years. I'd say Arceus made the right call. And who knows, Wydeer and the other evos could come back in another region. Admittedly there is no hope for the species wide ones (Growlithe, Voltorb, etc.)
That requires there to be a fossil. As far as I know, there's no recorded fossils of any of these pokemon, and that could be easily believed given that many of these pokemon (the evolutions at least) don't exist in the wild outside of select exceptions, such as the Ursaluna and Kleavor boss fights. In the entire game there is only one wild Wyrdeer, and it's unlikely that a fossil would have been made from it since many of the methods of rapid fossilization aren't present in its natural habitat. For a fossil to be present of many of them, it would have to have been because of the actions of the player - intentionally killing them in ways that would result in rapid fossilization, such as dropping them into a volcano or flash-freezing them in the tundra somewhere that would only ever be found by the player. Hisuian Growlithe might have fossils, but it seems unlikely with how Growlithe are typically highly resistant to heat. Some of them are also highly unlikely to be capable of being fossilized, such as Hisuian Lilligant. There are several that aren't mentioned in this video though, such as Hisuian Sneasel/Sneasler, Hisuian Lilligant, the Hisuian Starters (which aside from the three in town show up nowhere in the wild and only through Distortion Events, caused by Giratina) and a couple others I can't think of off the top of my head. However, with the returning presence of Giratina, and our ability to catch and possibly control it in BD/SP, it's very possible that it could be used to create controlled distortions for the sake of hunting down and potentially breeding some of those Pokemon. After all, the distortions specialize in pulling Pokemon from many different places and times. Case in point - Shieldon and Rampardos couldn't exist in Arceus without Giratina's distortions, and they don't exist in BD/SP without fossil regeneration.
Hisuian Zorua line goes extinct because they set aside their malice for humans and can go to rest. Basculegion goes extinct because humanity assisted them in not dying during migration. Snesal just slowly shifted to being the standard Jotohnian one, and so Sneasler no longer have a Pokémon to evolve from.
Actually basculin has to compete with magikarp and if your evolution in universe has you taking the souls of dead relatives I don't think you can out pace magikarp only place it did was unova
I feel like in a weird way, Basculin/Basculegion are an opposite of this. They’re thriving most likely due to urbanization. Basculegion is a result of Basculin dying in massive numbers, most likely implying that the environment is not suitable for the species. Hisuian Basculin is even referenced to being more timid than it’s modern day counterpart which may be an aspect of this. Basculegion no longer exists because Basculin have found environments that are better suited to them, and they’ve become more aggressive, meaning they’re not dying off in such vast quantities
Possibly, but unlike other regional varients in the game, Basculin isn't strictly referred to as "Hisuian" but as "white Striped" meaning it's notimpossible that just the white varient died out, or just evolved into the 2 types we know of today.
Here’s a thing about Basculin and Basculegion I noted a while back: Basculin is a Pokémon we seen from Unova, from across the ocean if we were to locate it like we do with the other Pokémon regions and their real world counterparts. Pokémon from Unova evolve in higher levels than other regions except for Basculin. This might be that the Hisui region was very hostile to the Basculin species, but still managing to adapt and overcome, while the Unovan Basculin, not needing to worry about the hospitality of the nature of its surroundings, not needing to adapt and evolve like the Hisuian counterpart, which you can interpret that as Unova being very much more calmer than the waters of Hisui as less Basculin die in Unova than they do in Hisui (because Basculegion is Water/Ghost type and also it apparently carries the souls of their fallen species with them… yeah, pretty dark). It could also explain why there isn’t any Basculin to be found in Sinnoh, since the waters could’ve been too rough for stable growth and adaptability, or human expansion pushed them out (or eaten, but then again that might bring a Basculegion problem with that).
I always thought it was evolution since they didn't need to be as aggressive 'cause we befriended them. As for the traveling Pokemon like Wyrdeer and Basuliegon we just got better equipment like cars and boats.
Ah, sort of like the domestication of... well, a lot of real-world animals. Most dog breeds didn't need to be as big or as strong as wolves, because humans took care of them. Livestock pigs became much gentler than their wild counterparts, because we bred them to be that way. And cattle as we know them, only exist as a species because of human intervention. So, that would also make sense; besides driving things to extinction, humans also drive animals into unusual evolutionary paths.
@@ch3ater13 Lmao it totally is not, evolution is based on need, if a species doesn’t evolve to survive in its habitat it will go extinct therefore species evolve by passing the genes of the members of said species that survived their habitat
"If you had decided to not be a hero. To not save the day. The region would've remained to inhospitable for civilization to truly grow and humans would've chosen to avoid it entirely." You literally stop someone from using pokemon satan to recreate the entire universe as he deems I think that's more important
For Voltorb and Electrode, doesn't it make more sense that the Apricorns were overharvested so humans started making pokeballs out of different materials and the Voltorbs and Electrodes just evolved (Not Pokemon Evolve) to resemble the more modern pokeballs?
I don't think so. Since Apricorns were the primary object used to start the production of Pokeballs it is reasonable that humans wanted to find a similar material that could possibly fill the absence of Apricorns once it was overharvested. And since Voltorbs and Electrodes were a living resemblance of the wood once used to make Pokeballs, they probably thought it was the material with most similarities and just decided to use it as a replacement.
Yes, it was me. I ate all these Pokémon, and they were delicious. You can thank me for this video being uploaded, by causing Mat Pat's misunderstanding with the "Great Urge." No, not the Great Purge, the Great Urge. I had a great urge to eat, and so I did. Now it won't take you as long to fill out your Pokédex - you're welcome.
Okay but I have a theory for one of my favorite Pokémon that I’ve been wanting to explain. I think Braviary’s hisuian form vanished because of migration and competition. Wherever Rufflet and Braviary are found, you’re almost guaranteed to find Vullaby and Mandibuzz, both Dark types. Obviously the psychic type Braviary would be at a massive disadvantage here, as it wouldn’t be able to defend itself. But because Rufflet didn’t get the psychic type until evolution, it’s likely those that relied more on they’re physical abilities thrived in the environment, and as such the psychic type started to be bred out of the species entirely, until all that remained were Normal/Flying Braviary
@@marioli2463 The two don’t really have enough crossover for me to think they might be related , but maybe Johto Sneasel was the stressor that forced Braviary from their snowy territories, making them find other suitable hunting grounds
Here's a theory, the humans in the poke-verse were mass isekaied to the Pokemon world by Arceus, which is why the earliest humans seem unfamiliar with Pokemon in such a way that it's as if they or the Pokemon came from a different world, and why there's need for constant, ongoing research into these seemingly supernaturally powerful entities by humans, for the sake of survival.
You gotta admit, MatPat provides sound reasoning for this theory and relates it to real world issues with how humans affect the environment significantly. I feel like this is what the creators of Pokemon were hinting at since the very beginning. Plausible theory to say the least.
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Quick note: Hisui forms have been confirmed to appear in the newest installments Pokémon Scarlet & Violet, so perhaps Game Freak is going to do a complete overhaul and suddenly bring some of these lost evolutions back and pretend that they never left OR it has to do with the next games on going theme of Past and Future.
I’d love to see you do a Stardew valley episode. There’s a lot of theories and stuff online. I started playing a few months ago and there’s definitely deeper lore and mysteries under the surface level of the game. Also I’ve been watching for like ten years and you guys are the best:) thank you for all you do
Question: have we considered there being secret meet up areas for pokemon like the bulbasaur episode in the original series? I feel like there has to be places like that holding pokemon still that viewers/players havent found yet. So, do I think some of these pokemon are entirely extinct in these areas? Maybe but there is a possibility they might not be and will be discovered in later episodes/games possibly.
Easier solution: somehow they migrated, this can be easily backed up by the confirmed appearance of hisuian zorua in the paldea region, however the arcanines are the more modern version so take it as you will
hisuian zorua are migrated from unova. Unovan zroua couldn't survive in hisui and their ghosts came back for vengeance, hence it's a ghost normal type. (ghost coming back for vengence is the most common reason for them to appear.)
Scyther usually evolves into scisor using a metal coat. They probably stopped evolving into kleavor because steel is just a much more durable material than stone which I guess would still be caused by humans but whatever
Its a hard sell to say these are all extinct. Theres nowhere that says that regional varients dont have the DNA of the Hisuian variants and simply dont express those traits, as far as evolutions go its the same. Basculin and stantler still exist. Evolutions arent species, they are combat inspired genetic reworks of the same individual.
Aren't the starters in the game also not from the region? They were brought in by the professor and started to react to the strange land by adapting into different final evolutions. Typhlosion picks up on the ghostly energy from the spiritomb wisps in the area and begins channeling that.
I think you just cracked it. It is pretty obvious now that you mentioned it. Unlike all other pokemon games like Sword and Shield, X and Y, ORAS etc, there is technically NO entirely "new" pokemon in Legends Arceus. I think it was planned by Gamefreak to make all pokemons either new forms or an additional evolutions of already familar pokemon. Regional version of pokemon are just adaptation to the climate or environment so basically when that changed they in turn transformed to the current version. And like you said regarding evolutions, they are genetic reworks not different species so when Ursaring didn't feel threatned in present Sinnoh, it didn't feel the need to evolve into Ursaluna the same goes for all the others. When regions change regional forms change and they lose evolution when they feel its not required for their survival. Natural selection at its finest.
@@ashtonoak4370 But if in the future the need arises or the right circumstances are met we will definitely be able to get these forms again. Ursaluna and Kleavor for example just need an item that's rarer in the future, but if you were to find one you could still get them.
I actually have a funny story about Pokemon. One day in 2nd grade, my art class had a substitute. She put on a Snorlax drawing tutorial, and when it was over, I remember her words exactly. She said, “Ok class, when you get home, ask your parents if this is Pokeyman. They might of watched the show growing up.”, and I still laugh about it to this day.
What if, by Arceus sending the player back they help expand knowledge of Pokemon so they aren't as feared and thus they are captured and cultivated instead of hunted.
its overall beneficial for humans to take over and expand because they can create more modern medicine, pokemon centers, etc. even if its at the cost of some species going extinct.
Yeah but Volo follows you throughout your entire journey, if he were to do that alone it would be a death sentence so there’s no real chance he would gather everything he needs and reform the world using giratina
Another theory for some pokemon like Wyrdeer, since the way we battle changed the secret to their evolution was lost since we don't use strong and agile styles anymore. This could also work in tandem to the game theory.
8:14 sorry to break it to you, but all the areas are a special type of land, not the Cobalt Coastline, the Cobalt Coastlands. The Obsidian Fieldlands The Crimson Mirelands The Cobalt Coastlands The Coronet Highlands The Alabaster Icelands
May I also direct you to Absol's entry in Emerald, stating that poachers have hunted it to near extinction, so having one in hoenn is a luxurious thing.
I am pretty sure Voltorb and Electrode just evolved like that because that is just what apricorns were becoming. If anyone has ever played the Gen2 games, you'll know they are literally still being used for modern day pokeballs which ruins that theory. Also, what about Braviary or Lilligent, Samurott and Typhlosion. If your climate theory is correct, why did Hisuian Sneasel and Sneasler become normal Sneasel and Weavile which have the ice type? I just think you took very specific pokemon and ignored others you couldn't come up with an explanation for.
To be completely fair, even in real life science can't yet totally explain the evolution of all real animals, but there's still animals whose evolution can be explained
Well the thought process is that the Apricorns in Hisui/Sinnoh disappeared do to overharvesting them, that doesn't mean that other regions of the world couldn't still have them (especially if they harvested the plant more sustainably.) Some proof to this is the fact that Kurt's special Pokeballs aren't usually very available outside of Johto, and even then they're localized to specific Pokemarts, random items on the ground and/or are treated as a special giveaway item (such as the Pokeball man in Sword and Shield.)
@@homerman76 there's also the possibility that the apricorns have always been there in Sinnoh, but that the artisans instead have died out. Without someone who can work the apricorns the trees are just any other trees. Berry trees are useful, so it makes sense to learn their uses and locations, but apricorns are no more useful than rock in this convenient, modern era
"25 species are extinct because of you!" In a game about a world that exists around the idea of what is effectively virtual dog fighting? Nooooooooo .... I mean, I am honestly surprised it is ONLY 25 species.
Eventually Matpat will have to make a future video of the hero/phenomenon that brought back those extinct Pokemon since Hisuian Zoroark is confirmed for SV.
I'd also like to note how the grand tree arena and the heart wood, the only place in the game you can naturally find Kleavor and a place mentioned to have rare minerals, becomes oreburgh city in the gen 4 games. The lush forest become a mining town and gathers most of the black augurite, a rare and valuable mineral, that scyther needs to evolve.
To be fair, the extermination of real life animals isn’t necessarily an evil (and can be debated), as well as the fact that many of the pokemon that were “exterminated” maybe could have evolved into their modern forms. Great theory though!
To be fair, the Pokémon that went extinct had it coming. They were involved in banishing Zorua and Zoroark to the cold, condemning them to become ghost types. Arceus, furious at their sins, brought a human to bring them to extinction, allowing the Zorua and Zoroark that died to rest in peace.
I wouldn’t really say we made those Pokémon go extinct, since they didn’t really go extinct at all. More so they evolved to better fit the environment (which yeah, the change in environment WAS the humans’ fault, but that doesn’t change the fact that we didn’t kill any of these Pokémon species. They still exist to this day, they’ve just changed a bit in appearance).
I swear nobody knows about the Wii’s PokePark, that game was my CHILDHOOD and I still often replay it, this isn’t about the video but I figured while we’re on the topic of Pokémon-
Funny enough, I just rediscovered that game a few days ago due to (I think?) a reddit post. Been considering seeing if wii emulators for PC were a thing, so I could mess with it again
YES IVE WANTED A THEORY ON LEGENDS ARCEUS FOR SO LONG. The region’s lore is so rich, the culture within the game is so intriguing by merit of their mythology and familiar-yet-ancient technology, and i just love the game in all aspects. It’s a great, fresh new take on the series and it really makes me wonder about the history of the pokemon world in a way i haven’t before. Excited for this vid :)
I mean in another entry in the games "Stantler's magnificent antlers were traded at high prices as works of art. As a result, this Pokémon was hunted close to extinction by those who were after the priceless antlers." ORAS. While yes it couldve been because of the fur I think it was more because of the horns too
The hisuan variants didn't go extinct, they just evolved (the normal evolved, not the pokemon evolved) into the non hisian ones. Also it's confimed that S/V will have at least some hisuan versions, so they aren't even extinct in modern times either.
If you think about it, it would actually make sense that Arceus would send us to cull the herd, so to speak Those new Hisuian Pokemon might have been a bit *too* strong, and maybe Arceus got scared and decided to effectively hit the nuke button.
i think much of why Arceus sent us back maybe is much of the future if the human don't try to be friendly or loving with the pokemon as it might lead, to war, just remember some war happen unexpectedly but the 2 side know why, Pokemon might just be to, well, Powerful that it have a battle with the Human & might believe them to be weak & Arceus probably know this outcome but don't intervene so they sent you to help them realize it
One major problem with this theory: It's not explicitly stated anywhere that these Pokemon are specifically extinct. It's entirely possible that we just haven't been to a region in the modern day that has the environment needed to support them. Plus much of them just evolved.
The Scarlet/Violet DLC pretty much disproves this theory since a lot of these species although very uncommon still exist, whether in specific areas or in the terrarium (which is basically a giant nature reserve of sorts)
Here's something interesting to think about theorists: Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark. I was playing Pokemon Cafe Mix, a spinoff game that still follows the established continuity, and Hisuian Zorua appeared as an event pokemon despite it being in modern day. I thought this to be weird for the theory but it actually makes sense after reading its dex entry: It's a ghost type, meaning these Zorua and Zoroark are already dead and live on through spite, so unlike other species they could definitely live through the times without a hitch.
Yep I play it too and I noticed that as well! Some more evidence though for your theory can be shown in the Gen 9 trailers for Pokémon Scarlet and Violet. I think it is shown that Hisuian Zoroak can spawn in the wild and can be caught too
10:22 I don't think they were hunted, i think the transition in eras to urbanization resulted in them changing to form we know now. also with Wydeer, I think they were sheared like sheep especially that big beard but I will not that Wydeer wasn't that readily available in the game either. I think a change in landscape caused this. Stanler decreased in population and then they avoided evolution but smaller area as well as they used the move less and less
All of this kind of makes sense, with it paraelling our real life. My area is very mountainous, so we had cougars and mountain cats running around. We changed so much of the landscape that we no longer have any cougars and mountain cats running around.
I don’t think you are wrong per se, but you are likely not right on the application. It’s not so much Stantler being “bullied” into not using the special move mentioned, but only the ones that couldn’t use it survived. The ones that could use the move and evolved were hunted. Only the individuals who could not use the move, who would not previously have passed along their genes because it was a disadvantage, were now the only ones passing along their genes because it had become an advantage. Same with the Voltorbs they clearly evolved to look a certain way, either to hide or ambush prey. When there were no more apricorn’s or apricorn based pokeballs they essentially lost that environment they were adapted to fit into - so only those that looked a certain way (i.e. like modern pokeballs) survived.
