GamersNexus Wonders If The Handheld Market Is Too Crowded 

My goal next year is to have some actual semblance of an interaction in Mandarin 👍 -Adam

@@pcworld I started my Japanese learning the basics. You know, swearing, rude expressions, ordering a beer. The usual approach. Knowing more at this point, I would perhaps consider another approach.

That's how I started as well 😅 What's your recommendation then? -Adam

Let’s do a full interview in Mandarin when? 😁

@@pcworld Still figuring it out! 😅With you going for the same approach, I am tempted to say we should unionize and go forth by extending with more of the same instead. I hear Steve at GN knows some good layers that could help of pass us on to the right ones!

Yeah, Linux is absolutely unparalleled when it comes to tinkering and customisation. I don't think it's a fair assessment to say you go to windows for tinkering.

I think he is talking about vanilla functionality. I would never go for Linux, the least amount I have to spend making software work the better.

I am literally using my steam deck as my windows handheld and its running well

I am more than a little surprised that Valve didn't just release the custom distribution they're using.

@@TobyIKanoby I don't think I have ever had to tinker at all to get games to work completely normally on my own steam deck. Proton is a very remarkable compatibility layer.

Not just the pricing but also features, touchpads as buttons on steamdeck make a huge difference for PC gaming as well as emulation.

I would agree about the pricing IF the laptops in my country are actually closely priced to the pc handhelds at the same price specs. Also since I already own a pc, albeit with aging specs, a laptop doesn't really offer the portablilty I might've wanted. A handheld might actually forces me to play my game's library since whevener I sit in front of my pc, I would browse the internet more instead of gaming.

Good thing the second hand marker will flood with these. I foresee them going for $300 for a 780m handheld which is op as heck

It's just not the same target audience. A laptop is basically a portable Desktop setup with reduce power. You still need to be tethered to a wall, but can move from wall socket to another wall socket relatively easily. A handheld is closer to a dedicate gaming device. You don't need to plug it into the wall, it's far smaller and is more integrated as a single gaming device on the go. It's like saying "why would I buy a PC when I can buy a console", they're just not the same things.

​@@Patrick-y4d1z You don't understand; the price is the issue. If given a choice, people will spend money on the obviously better laptop. They're too expensive right now; only the Steam Deck has understood the assignment. There needs to be a way to lower their prices... Perhaps making an agreement with the Epic Store to get a cut from each game sale could be a solution.

Cries in 350 watt evga 3080

Glad someone noticed the irony 😅 -Adam

You might want to start believing

There are plenty of tinkering on Linux if you want to. It is quite famous for it, so it is quite funny how tables have turned

I was being sarcastic, I run Linux at home only spinning up windows in a VM if necessary, I am well aware that it's the ideal choice for a handheld especially compared to Windows, I just wanted to solicit done responses that weren't from my fellow penguin people as far as what Windows can offer without being a total dickhead about it, but mission failed I guess, so... Right, if I want to tinker and have full control over my device, especially a handheld without having my hand held, I'm sure as shit not using Windows, which has the worst interface for anything that isn't a desktop with mouse and keyboard. It used to just be that Windows was for people who couldn't use Linux, and Max was for people who couldn't read, but now Windows is getting rid of as much clear concise menu text as possible and replacing it with pictures like Apple, but with none of the sleek BSD at the for that makes Apple's software actually work. If I wanted an interested broken OS I'll install a cutting edge experimental kernel, at least it's free and if something breaks I can fix it, and I get actually desirable new features - instead of paying Microsoft to be their beta testers for an operating system loaded with ads and spyware hogging system resources to sell my data and spy on me in exchange for a jank experience that breaks all the most useful tools every update while hiding everything I want to do behind more and more layers of restrictions and missing menu items.

@@evilgeek87 The short answer is ignorance. The long answer is that Valve succeeded in making a device that "just works" for most games out of the box without any tinkering required. This combined with the general lack of familiarity the average gamer has with Steam OS (or Linux in general) has led many people to the mistaken conclusion that you *can't* tinker with things in the Steam Deck. That's completely untrue, but it is a line I have heard repeated before.

@@kevadu So you ignorant for liking different OS? Seriously why are you guys getting mad when other people prefer windows over linux or SteamOS? Maybe your the ignorant for judging people for the choice of device or OS.

I don't have problem with my Ally not having a track pad and a lot of people don't have a problem either. I use right analog RB left click and RT for right click. All my games don't need a track pad same with other people. Its all about preference and use case. Maybe for you having no track pad is a problem but for others its not. Different people different use case just like having preference between Windows or Steam OS. I prefer Windows because I don't like limitations and I prefer all my games to be compatible and ready to play without worrying about compatibility, platform, anti cheat and all sort of things that limits me.

@@nathanjuan6042 Many PC games require a lot of buttons, more than handhelds other than the SteamDeck can support, each trackpad alone can add 4+ buttons at a bare minimum. Same for emulators, for stuff like speeding up/save states/etc.

@@nathanjuan6042for a lot of single player games steam deck actually has the better compatibility especially for older games. For anti cheat stuff, if it didn’t support Linux or steam deck then it probably was a game I didn’t give a shit about in the first place (destiny 2, Fortnite, etc) don’t care about any of these multiplayer live service games

@@gewdvibes Like I said in my comment people have different preference and use case there is people who prefer steamdeck and there is a people who prefer ally depends on people's use case. If you can't respect other people's preference then your the one who has a problem. I like having 1080p, VRR, windows so I can play all games in pc without limitations or any platform and more powerful processor which steamdeck cannot give that is why I prefer ally and not the steamdeck. My use-case is suited for the ally and not the deck and maybe yours is suited for the deck. I don't get you deck users why you guys are mad on other device on different company? I mean its good to have different choices but you guys are mad on other device for no reasons.

@@tpf92 Like I saide people have different use case. A lot of people don't need that much buttons or if they do they can just they can just connect a keyboard and mouse. Anyways if your use case is suited for deck then stick with it. My use-case is suited for ally for a lot of reasons that the deck cannot give and a lot of people do too. We have a lot of choice and that is a good thing I don't even know why you guys are mad on other device unless your a fanboy. I mean only fanboy would complain to other device because they are too attached to their device they can't accept other device from different company.

Happy the 1000's of retro handhelds are using Linux backend, Still OpenPandora still the OG king.

Check out the Orange Pi Neo. It's also running Linux.

Yeah besides the anti-cheat it doesn't matter what OS you use...you can do the same stuff when it comes to games and mods and linux has way more tinkering if it comes to the OS part.

Yeah but as far as the experience goes, on Windows you basically have to tinker, the steam deck you can tinker. The "default" deck experience is much more console-like even if you can tinker more if you want. I have an Ally only because when I was in the market, the Ally had better multiplayer support (anticheat) for the games I play. Even as a tinkerer, there weren't good options to play those games on the deck.

I guess I'm trying to say that the deck 'presents' as less tinkery. The Ally, with some mandatory tinkering, can get some results that the deck can't.

Well I do prefer windows as well. Its all about preference. You prefer linux I prefer windows there is nothing wrong with that. Different people different use-case and preference. Use what suits you. I don't really get this OS war and the hate for windows.

Exactly how I feel. (Dad)

Gaming is just huge enough that companies are down to try

It's just the truth 😅 -Adam

Ignoring that price-to-performance isn't the most important metric for...well anything, the best price-to-performance right now is the Ally z1 extreme due to Asus slashing the price so many times. The deck oled, however, is still the better option over it regardless because of its vastly superior battery life, better control configuration, and better software controller.

It's made AMD APUs and SBCs very high priced. I'd like something similar to an N100, but ryzen based.

Now you know how ASUS execs felt after Steve's visit :D

@@MrChomiq i imagined they talking shit in mandarin about steve in front of him, just for him to interject awkwardly in mandarin lmao

Why Valve is doing so well their kind of in their own corner vs all those Windows devices.

what is “The market” but us individually deciding?

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