Games Where You're the Bad Guy 

After this video, watch and discuss on my OTHER video about if game stories are getting worse!: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TzLuWypUj4A.html

One of my favorite games that tackle this concept is Epic Mickey. It gives you choice to use Paint, which repairs the world around you and puts enemies on your side, or just use Thinner which erases things and kills entities. It doesn't take that concept too far in terms of the actual story, but there's a certain boss that actually comes back to help you against the final boss if you chose to rejuvenate it with Paint instead of killing it earlier in the game

The thing about Drakengard and Nier is not just the killing but also showcases how bad choices create very harmful and destructive outcomes throughout the story which also applies to games like Spec Ops: the line.

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TWO VIDS IN A ROW you're spoiling us man! Gosh this is an interesting topic I never thought about tbh but holy HECK YOU'RE RIGHT we do kill so many ppl in games its crazy!!!!! That game guy is right and I'm glad he puts it in his games its really fresh and i hope more game makers do it! Undertale is an awesome game i never realized how much thought was in the moral system and how nothing else really does it but DUDE MIND BLOWN ! One of my favrite games hands down

Not really, you fight against members of the Koopa Kingdom, in particular Bowser's army. Koopas, Goombas, and other creatures that are members of the Mushroom Kingdom have shown themselves to be friendly and not who Mario goes after across the various canons. To add on while it's not easy to see in 2d games games like the 3d show clearly how enemies like Goombas actively target Mario and Luigi on sight. Also canonically Mario and Luigi don't kill the Koopa Troop. When one pay attention across the different canons enemies like Koopas, and Goombas for example have been shown that don't die when you defeat them. The closest one has been shown to get to that is Dry Bones. That being said how Mario doesn't canonically kill his enemies in the games is similar to how he canonically doesn't drop Yoshi into a pit putting an end to him. As we know it's same Yoshi the all games showing he still alive and kicking, with the addition of games that show if Yoshi ends up in a pit or lava he retreats to his egg and is teleported away.

Very good video!❤ And to think some games even flat out allow you to do things you could not in real life. Especially when it comes to RPG games where you can be intentionally pretty cruel with no real consequences

Holy moly two videos in this week already! You are awesome but now I having a morality crisis lol! For the longest time I though couldn’t do anything wicked at all but this video has opened my eyes! I’m so sorry to all the innocent souls I screwed over with my villainy lmao! 😂💐 “What is evil? What is good? Is it truly black and white or everything just some fucked up nightmare I can never escape from?” - Katelyn, The Scourge of Good.

Hey, you brought up Undertale! Yay! 😄 I would also say the first God of War goes towards your point as well, since the whole game is basically a revenge quest. (Also the lore of Mario gets worse when you find out from the old Nintendo Power books that the "bricks" you break in the games are actually residents of the Mushroom Kingdom 🤯🤯) Also I liked that you showed your face in this video 😊 Will you be doing that more in future videos?

I get it now. Mario and Luigi are two Italian maniacs from Brooklyn who serve at least 2 royal mistresses who take sadistic enjoyment in literally stomping on the testudine proletariat of Mushroom Land. The Mushroom Kingdom must be overthrown and replaced with a Mushroom Republic.

There were definitely plenty of times playing NieR Replicant I was like "whoa Nier (like the main character that is), could you maybe just not be doing what you're doing? Do we really need to fight and kill this boss mercilessly? We really can't just like, move on without killing them?" Nier got pretty screwed up, and sometimes Weiss would provide some opposition to his behavior, but not a lot and just kinda accepted the way things were, complicit in Nier's misdeeds. Another interesting case was when I played Last of Us Part 1 for the first time. Final level Joel's task is to kill everyone who stands in his way, which is a pretty drastic villainous kinda act, though the people he was killing weren't exactly in the right either and made some rash calls (to describe it without spoilers best I can) but didn't really deserve to all be killed off for it. That game was just kinda like "yeah everyone in this world is a villain and messed up in their own way to get by, so do what you need to do to make sure your group gets out on top". Persona 5 was another game I only recently played for the first time that I thought was interesting on that front. And not on the front of making those with distorted desires have a change of heart or anything, but in the regular battles. Because it's not like we're going around beating up wildlife or anything like that like so many other games, heck are the random baddies we fight in Persona even real? The game tells us constantly that they're just a part of the palace ruler's cognition, so none of these other figures are actually real. Yet sometimes when you bring it down to just 1 enemy left they might approach you and beg for their life, which presents you some options (getting these options as well if you manage to knock all of them down and want to try negotiating for their lives). You can ask them to join you and become a new persona, give you money, or give you an item (which may work, or result in them attacking you). And as further negotiation powers are unlocked, you can ask for it multiple times! Like you ask for money, this "not real" being just gives you its pension, and then you can be like "you can do better than that" and force more out of it if it wants to live. Most efficient way to grind is just to ask them for more and more and then kill them when they refuse (or if you knock them down again you can start the asking them for money cycle anew), and I was like like "wtf?!", but man did I ever get stacked up with money in that game. I think one very interesting case of a game that really questions your morality and the justness of your deeds though is Triangle Strategy, a game with an awful name I'd highly recommend. You're the head of a house under this one kingdom that falls to a neighboring power. The game has a branching story (although converges back at key points) and aims to put the player through countless hard decisions. For example, now that the kingdom has fallen, king has been killed, and now the prince is taking refuge with you, the other kingdom wants you to give up the prince so they can execute him, with the threat of destroying your domain and taking the prince by force if you refuse (and the prince himself wants to give himself up), what do you do? A third kingdom you could use as a potential ally against the ones who took over your kingdom wants you to give up a particular community of your people for them to return to slavery they escaped that kingdom from in exchange for their allegiance, do you battle against all odds or give up your people with the promise of "don't worry we'll see about rescuing you next"? Eventually you want to try and retake the kingdom, do you destroy the bridge to the castle and then negotiate with the enemy, do you launch an infiltration mission and destroy their warship, or do you destroy the dam and wash away the opposing troops (and a lot of the town)? It presents you with choices that are meant to make your gut wrench and question whether you're in the right for your actions, what is the balance of odds of victory and morality? And you don't even get to directly choose, your key allies vote on what they think you should all do, if you want to do something specific then it's your job to speak to them 1 on 1 on why they should change their minds. There is a way to get an ultimate happy ending where the characters actually do 3 billion IQ plays at the end, but to get it you basically need to be following a guide to make sure you're completing all the needed steps and getting all the information possible for the characters to make such a plan at the end. By default there's 3 endings you vote on towards the end of the game, one option each of the other three main characters decided was the best, and each option pisses off another of your 3 other main characters so hard they straight up leave your party before the final maps if you go down that route. There's definitely quite the number of games that could make interesting case studies on this topic

Pokemon is very similar to Miyazaki movies, in that represent humanity living in harmony with nature and its creatures. Tamers and their mons live in a variety of ways with one another and often make each other better. However, capitalistic greed still exists which is why the elite of Pokemon take more than they need an ultimately end up dooming the entire world . There's also an important theme of the younger generation succeeding the Old guard and making the world a better place. The execution isn't perfect of course, the idea itself is pretty radical.

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I gotta disagree on some of these points: 1. As elsewhere noted, Mario isn't fighting the Mushroom Kingdom's residents. The enemies are all part of Bowser's army sent out to stop him, and he rarely if ever is actually killing them. 2. Pokemon Black and White's story was actually all about the ethics of catching pokemon, with the conclusion not only being that most pokemon want to have trainers (N being surprised and in denial about this due to having been intentionally raised only exposed to pokemon that were mistreated by humans), but that if they wanted to most pokemon are quite capable of simply leaving (with the games showing that once caught pokemon can usually leave their poke ball at will, and the anime including pokemon that actively abandon trainers who they dislike). And that's not even noting many even earlier bits of plot or dialog that address it. Legends Arceus was far from the start of paying attention to this. In a more general sense, I'm not clear on how even if those cases were accurate that would make us "almost always the villain" (the sorts of games mentioned in the video are only a tiny portion of those out there). It still leaves out the many games where the player is opposing forces that are explicitly out to kill/destroy a world and will not be negotiated with. Lastly, I don't think a character being "crazy" to be willing/able to kill so much necessarily makes them a villain, it just makes them to some degree crazy. After all, insane doesn't have to equal evil. It might have helped if this video started out by defining what a "villain" is, at least for the purposes of said video.

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I mean, I did kill many Sims when I played Sims 4 😂😂

Love this very silly video. I don't agree that you are the bad guy in MOST games. I think there are definitely games where the main character goes overboard, but also. Its usually pointed out in some way, that you are doing something bad in order to do something good. Nothing you do in a video game is immoral or unethical. Why? Because games are not real. Literally no one gets hurt. By your logic all I gotta do is restart the game and all those "people" I killed come back like nothing happened. But I do understand the point of taking a common point of view and flipping it.

I never got the impresion that Bayonetta kills Angels becuse they killed her clan. In tge first game she does not even remember her clan. Her fighting Angels is mostly becuse A its part of her contract she has with the demons if inferno and B the Angels keep coming after her. At no point there fights feel all that personal.