Nah, hell freezing over is condition 2 out of 3, number one must happen first, that being the saint nihad's day(explanation, nihad is a male name(of muslim origin) in my parts, swap h with k, you get word "nikad"(means "never"), which is fitting since islam has no (christian) saints). Now number 3, (our) universe imploding, completes the "order of impossibility" list. Feel free to use the impossibility list as/when required.
I understand it, but having your 6 yo army invalid is laughable and GW acts like the bload in SCE just happened and they could have nothing done about it.
It's not invalid. They will be equivalents now. Play them and call them whatever you want. The bases will all be the same size. Most of all of these old sculpts are terrible and they needed an update. They should have done this at the beginning of 3rd edition. Same with first born Space Marine. Replace them and then let people play with their ugly ass models, no one will care
@@Timbucktoo32 the original stormcast are superior to the 3rd ed and 4th ed "sleek" stormcast. The original are Heroic scale and look the way they do, but could have been replaced with simply "true scale" models like Primaris. Instead they're re-designed and don't look the way they used to, they lack the silhouette: the original Stormcast were designed by pros, the new ones by hacks. The new stormcast just look like generic knights in armour, that are in every other IP out there.
Remember when popular units would just get a new sculpt? Liberators, prosecutors and possibly things like judicators / paladins will immediately return in 4th ed.
They are removing more than the entire drukhari range from stormcast and yet will probably replace every single one of the removed stormcast kits with new stuff
That's why I'm sceptical that it's about reducing bloat like they said. I think it's more that the culled Sigmarines are juuust old enough that they aren't generating "oooh shiny" FOMO dollars anymore. When they culled some Firstborn in the same way recently, they pretty much admitted in the same breath that it's so they can be replaced with more Marine stuff, so yeah.
They'll 100% end up replacing all the stuff they removed in two or three years time. The target market for Sigmarines is the same as it is for space marines - new players who own little to nothing and will just buy what's promoted and accessible, and hardcore fanboys who will buy a new version of the same model every year.
@@spnked9516they litteraly said they won't bring sacrosanct back and that is my entire army minus some heroes. I have 20 evocators , 6 mounted evocators, 4 ballistas, 40 sequitors . All those are gone .
@@piotrjeske4599 I'm not talking about 1-1 replacements (though that is more likely than you'd think), I'm talking more in the sense of them filling the roster back up with bloat - typically via multiple "different" units that do the same thing. To be fair though, you shoulda known better. You chose to collect the bloat faction (SC in AoS, marines in 40k) knowing full well that GW has a proven track record of cutting things rather than fixing the problems they cause (See the entirety of Fantasy). Don't mistake this as support for GWs decision, it's the opposite. Don't buy GW stuff. They don't respect their properties and they don't respect you.
They use FOMO in more than just an availability capacity, they do it with their rules. Consistently rotating how powerful armies are creates demand for minis/factions on a rotational basis. They say it's for "balance" but this is a bare faced lie, it's to sell more miniatures.
@@toooldfortwowheels2048 it wasn't as "bespoke"(as GW would say) in the past iterations i admit, but it accelerated since aos. For 40k i think it started with 4th or 5th edition, when they started releasing several vanilla space marines codizes in one edition without completing half of the range of the other factions before.
I’m annoyed at the partitioning of games. Why can’t Beasts exist in both games? Cus GW has flipped to this zero crossover stance. Same with HH stuff in 40k.
the 30k to 40k makes even less sense as its canonical that relics from the great crusade exist in the 41st millennium. I want my contemptor to run with my 1st born
It because GW wants you to have to pick one or the other and limits armies that can be played in two different games. Additonally GW has internal issues that make this problem worse. They should at least allow a few factions to be played fully competitively across setting like beasts, daemons and skaven. The best hopium I can muster is that they reimagine BoC and bonesplittaz in the future.
@@generalgrizzly7914 The partitioning just seems so wild. Games barely share anything but broad strokes now. A shame really. BoC are coming back in TOW but I liked them in AoS. The push to ‘pick one’ seems weird.
The most offensive thing is Beastman lore: in AoS for the first time they received truly great lore. in ToW they are just an NPC race, a lubricant for heroic swords.
I don't understand how people were blindsided by this announcement. If GW was willing to outright torpedo the IP that built them all because they couldn't be bothered to fix the problems they created, then why would anything else be off the table for similar treatment?
So my issue with SCE culling is not the models, I played this army for 6 or 7 years and own everything in their model range except new Ionus, latest UW band and Questor Soulsworn unit, they can cut the production, I wouldn't care. What I do care about is having tournament valid rules for my models, and rules that don't mess up my old models. New Liberator wascroll was a spit on the grave of the old unit, for 8 years SCE players built their kits with squad leaders taking special weapons because they had an extra attack with it. And now you can't do that anymore, well great, how do I keep track of where my squad leader is? (By buying a new kit, of course)(I'll get all the new shit from recasters, dear GW.) Another issue is bad communication, I expect GW to just return the Sacrosanct Chamber, not reforge it, so I want to know when. I want to know which culled models will get a 1 to 1 replacement before I get the news about culling. And worst of all, Beastmen and Savage Orks, GW just should not move an army between 2 systems on a whim, if they brought it to AoS, it should stay in AoS.
"theyre not really gone..." GW put out a tweet saying the kits mentioned above will not be produced anymore so if you want them buy them now, "theyre really gone" would be more accurate, I didnt care about playing the game, but building and painting the models was fun, now I cant do that, and the replacement warbands are someone with a leather strap and spike fetish, like conan the barbarian but a bit shit.
I'm bit frusrated because I recently purchased a Start Collecting and Spearhead Beasts of Chaos box because I wanted te start playing AoS with my game group (normally play 40k) and now I'm "forced" to invest in the Old World. Why not keep this faction in both systems? I know Internal Revenue Sheets but come on....this is BS
Best wishes for your belated honeymoon. They should just do an 'economy-line' of 'print on demand' old sculpts..., I still have the Citadel catalogues and fondly remember mail ordering individual parts for dwarfs in the nineties.
Not that it actually changes your point, but the Skaven stuff that has not been axed, will not be going to the old world. They don't want the new skaven release to be cross-game system compatible. Makes total sense from a business view, but saying the skaven are too busy infighting to have any involvement at all in the setting, makes zero sense.
They somehow kept the super expensive 1st ed kits . Those aren't too old to keep. But sacrosanct and 2ed special characters fir sce have to be removed.
I agree with the rest, but I still don't like BoC getting squatted from AoS being blown off as "Just play fantasy and buy all these new books, materials and bases - again". If your a long time BoC player, that's twice in once decade you've been told to switch to a new game and adjust. Even worse, the NEW BoC battletome set up several events and new characters (like Morghur potentially becoming a chaos god), with everything pointing to a much needed refresh - all for it to be dumped in the trash. GW aren't doing this to "cull bloat". They're doing it so people can't use one army for two games - a "mistake" they've learned from Chaos Deamons.
I agree that it should have happened. Its just crazy that we have 4 separate tactical marine kits in circulation rn (not including primaris) yet it was the stormcast that were culled not the marines. One of the kits they're culling is less than a year old. A lot of them are only 1 year old
@@Raygun9000 Because we did not have to buy nine different boxes as we could just build them from combining two different boxes? But no, every weapon option needs its own box...
Absolutely boggles the mind that people are calling the Sacrosanct Stormcast “bloat” while Primaris have like five different units that are just reposed Intercessors with different weapons, and there are three different Tactical Marine kits in circulation.
@@CrusadiaIX Even a majority of Space Marine players see the whole range as bloated. I don't think there would be a whole lot of pushback if several kits and data sheets got consolidated (under the condition that players get to keep the options). You could easily reduce the Phobos squads (Reivers, Infiltrators and Incursors) into a single kit and at least one less datasheet. Hellblasters and Infernus: One kit, one datasheet with variant squad rules based on equipment. You could squash a good third or quarter of the infantry range by consolidating kits and rules. But then they would admit that the original approach was better - which they won't.
GW's accountants were like "space marines are our best selling miniatures, so make more of them, and put them in Fantasy" the creatives duly obliged, and now the accountants are like "actually that's too many space marines" It seems unlikely that GW will maintain 2 sword & sorcery games, and given their track record of deleting ranges with no notice, I'd be reluctant to get invested in AoS or the old world...
Indeed eventually the comp folks who supervise 40K and AoS will get annoyed at the cinematic folks who built ToW and will have it removed unless it's crazy $$ successful.
They’ll always exist in the 3D-print community, now, thankfully. And it cannot be undone. With their frankly stupid release schedule, this was always going to happen. Short term thinking for the win!
I dont really follow AoS, and seeing how Stormcast has that many bloat units that seem to outbumber even space marines, it was obvious this was coming. Losing the Warcry and Underworlds teams was sad, but I've never even played it nor seen anyone play it either. The other AoS armies like skaven and Beastmen are either getting more stuff or moving systems. Tbh I didnt even know Stormcast had this many models.
Yeah, I totally get that it sucks for people who bought into this stuff, especially the stuff that was newer. It's not consumer-friendly by any means, and the people who are pissed off are justified. Some of those Warcry warbands aren't even two years old. Still, it's 100% an issue of GW producing too much shit, which should've been avoided in the first place, but you can't turn back the clock, so this is the necessary solution. It's clearly less about reducing bloat though, and more about giving them room to re-bloat with newer stuff, instead of sitting back and getting less FOMO sales. And then we'll see another culling in a few years' time, wash, rinse, repeat.
Warcry and underworlds being used in the main game is a problem I agree with. But the issue is GW set a precedent and now they’ve shafted themselves. Kill team is also following this route. Rather than having proper units they’ve got these weird limited loadout data sheets stemming from an upgrade kit
Bloat is an issue, but I think communication of big changes needs work on. Lines should be slowly made unavailable well in advance of an announcement, and transparent, business case made to the player base.
Isn’t this pretty transparent? Like it’s not perfect but doing it like this gives people to adapt, it way in advance of the new edition (they said the units would be legal for competitive play until summer 2025). It’s also not like they won’t support the units at least for one more edition they say they’ll release rules for casual play. Not a GW fan most of the time but this is a pretty fair move.
@@TEPMARMY They should give three months notice. Customers can get what they had their eyes on, GW can sell the mini's out. Telling everyone things are OOP in a week when all of those products have been out of stock for the last month anyway is a dick move. Do you really think GW doesn't exploit FOMO to the utmost?
@@TEPMARMY This is not transparent. Yes, they are communicating that models go. They are not communicating their reasoning or future plans (and how they plan to avoid something like this in the future). They are not communicating which kits will get re-done (we are left guessing based on a trailer). Last chance to buy is incredibly badly managed and most people will have no chance to buy the models. That is not transparent business. That's making an announcement without any (communicated) rhyme or reason.
My biggest complaint is getting rid of some of the most recent warcry warbands. I'm ok for them being removed from AoS but should still be available for Warcry.
Absolutely boggles the mind that people are calling the Sacrosanct Stormcast “bloat” while Primaris have like five different units that are just reposed Intercessors with different weapons, and there are three different Tactical Marine kits in circulation. Stormcast needed Warscrolls to be rounded down and generalized, not tearing out the entirety of their Second Edition line and most of the First.
How much were they charging for those magazines because I bought a White Dwarf for the first time in years the other day and my jaw dropped when they asked for 6 quid at the till I remember when they were 3.50 an issue when I was younger and honestly there was nothing in the magazine to justify the 6 quid
Which magazine? Mortal Realms or Stormbringer? If you mean the latter which is the currently running mag, while yes the contents is invalid same thing has happened with the 3 other mags that have been done. If you mean the models from Stormbringer, none of those are going away. If you mean the older Mortal Realms sure
I don't get why you didn't read the article and do a dash of research bruv. It says Beasts of Chaos i.e. Beastmen are going to Old World, we all assumed that. But the Savage Orcs, according to GW's staff on their socials, are BEING SCRAPPED entirely: they're not moving to Old World despite Savage Orcs being an upgrade and the Armies Book. As for the Skaven they're not going to Old World: nothing is being moved to Old World via Skaven, GW want to remove the connection between Fantasy Battles and Skaven in order to try and put AoS on a pedestal. They want Old World to fail and so there's no way Skaven are going to be a faction given how popular Skaven are. Most of those Stormcast are just getting new kits so it's not really a culling. Some of the single characters are going + a few Underworld stormcast kits, well that's expected. GW always retire older character models when they replace them with newer models as tech improves. The Warcry kits - now keep in mind 80% of GW's customers are painters and I believe these kits sold quite well until they raised the price to £35 and put them as webstore only - the Warcry kits should have remained IN BLOOMING WARCRY. I legit don't grasp why they don't just keep those Warcry kits - which are beloved by painters - as the main Warcry catalogue, after all it's just a 10 vs 10 ish skirmish game after all.
Those people are crazy who think that this will not affect them: in the new 40k Ork codex all the legendary resin characters have already been removed. It is quite obvious that sooner or later "restructuring" will occur in ToW and HH, because Games Workshop is also doing this.
7:40 you're not quite right here,. When whfb was canceled we got a warning but nobody would want to believe it because it was without precedent: we got the end times campaign and GW several times said "it's the end times and this time we mean it" (refering to former multiple chaos invasion campaigns, and the hint that the "lord of the end times" would indeed bring such a thing as the worlds end). Let's be fair to GW for one time, it was the nicest way possible to end a rela.. i mean a game which was kind of a life substitute for a large percentage of the fanbase. Even though the deed itself is inexcusable.
You’re not wrong I think when the first end times book dropped people were shocked that they started knocking off characters. I think we all just thought sigmar would stop Archaon.
@@tabletoptyrant9573 yep, it was rumoured sigmar would return with his "heavenly warriors" to defeat archaon but nobody thought the system would be killed. Soon after that rumours came aloft by the renowned rumour mongers that there would be a new "edition of whfb" with more "drastic" rules changes ("rules wise they want to become "blank slate" GW wants to raise the building from ground level up"). "Think of sigmars warriors more like space marines more like in a closer frame..." Nobody in their right mind could have believed or could have wanted to believe that garbage, but still it did happen.
Games Workshop cannot fix their mistakes without making a lot of people really angry at them, and I have no sympathy for any of them. Worse, it's clear GW (and too many of their dedicated fans) have not learned the lessons they need to learn from this.
I mean they culled one faction line, 2 sub-faction lines (one to be replaced by Ruination Stormcast), and a dozen or so single kit lines that can be producing my goddamn Land Raider. XD
there ill be more stormcast, we know that much. as for Skaven, no. no im not happy some of my favorite kits are going with a "who knows" if they'll be redone, especially in a way i like. I tried that with some of the sisters kits, and it bit me once before...
I don't get it. Fyreslayers have like half an army, same with Karadron, same with Ironjaws, same for many other armies, but the golden boys get so many models that even after GW wipes their range, they still have the most.
Only thing I'm sour about is Warcry getting gutted probably means the system is on the way out. Only system i enjoy and have time to play, but it's a struggle getting people to try it out even with multiple warbands available to loan out, so i get it. Anyway, enjoy your honeymoon!
The Stormcast cull definitely feels, at least partially, like a dry run for when GW finally decide to axe the tactical squad et al when 11th ed swings around. The wheels really do keep on turning.
I think it's kind of an inherent issue with wargaming in general. It's easy to add models to your game, but culling them is always going to ruin the hobby for somebody. Even when it's necessary for the health of the game. Frankly, I don't think Imperial Knights should exist as their own army, but try telling that to people who've spent thousands on their collections. I'm sure they'd disagree. Avoiding the need for things like this requires careful forethought and planning. So, naturally, it's going to keep happening.
I am happy to see many of the original Stormcast kits go. Not because I dislike the units or their style, but because I dislike the models themselves. Few of those kits were enjoyable to work with. All of them seemed to have some sort of fitment problem. Especially all the push fit models. I also like their willingness to redue such recent kits. Honestly, the Primaris could use a similar treatment. For example: the Intercessors and Assault Intercessors could have been 1 kit with the Hellblasters, Infernus, and Desolation (a less stupid design) weapons as upgrade kit(s), much like how Tacticals and special weapons are for HH.
Good. Shite lore, overly goofy models, ranked up battlelines and units are better. Payback for all the AoS fanboys who laughed at the WHFB players that complained about AoS because their Fantasy army was nuked overnight.
The only Fantasy player getting laughed at back then was the idiot who set fire to his entire army. It's been one-sided vitriol from Fantasy players for 10 years - _a full decade_ - and now that AoS fans are fed up of it and giving Fantasy fans the most mild pushback possible for their awful, shitty behaviour, you're all shrieking like stuck pigs over it. I'm sure needlessly behaving like an asshole to everyone whose army was just invalidated will totally bring them over to your game and won't just push them away even harder.
you know, they are removing detail and character from the new "thunderstrike" armor, but if they slim it down juuuuust a bit more, they can be space marines. seriously just remove the chainmail and give them guns and backpacks and you have space marines, if you dont beleive me , the custodes have more intracacies than the new stormcast.
please do the same for primaris GW, the infernus squad and primaris assault squad should be options for the intercessors. balistus/brutalis dread? redemptor options. what even is the difference between infiltrators and incursors? repulsor executioner should be an option, all the gladiator varients should be options. many more examples tbh and even some oldmarine units should be consolidated.
I agree but I gotta admit I was sad to see a lot of the warcry minis go, for me they’ve been where GW’s creativity has been going for the last few years
What ALOT of you non-AOS players don't realize is that it feels like 3 factions have been canned for AOS as the sacrosanct chamber plays different than the usual SCE setup with lots of magic and being able to teleport and switch between offense and defense buffs for your basic troops. Best way I can describe it for 40k player is like if they removed the grey knights or dark angels from the spacemarines. Doesn't help that for alot of people they're beginning army or only army was just 2K~3K points of Sacrosanct chamber that came in the souls wars box which released during the pandemic. And these models are only six years old which really came as a shock, they really should have focused more on cutting down the ridiculous amount of heroes and consolidate the war scrolls. which easily could have been done. Beasts at least will go to old world but I know many who zero interest in that game and looked forward to playing them in AOS, some are annoyed because they wanted to play both and now are forced into one. Kinda funny that in 10 years beast players have had their faction wiped twice just to be told to rebase it for a different game. Bonesplittaz are just gone no old world back up just gone. GW should really let the SCE take a rest from the spotlight next eddition and let someone else be slotted for the start box. But I doubt it, willing to bet that 5th they will bring back resculpted sacrosanct chamber.
Much prefer Beasts in AoS to TOW/Fantasy. Their fluff in AoS just seems to much more interesting and consequential, and with more room to breathe than solely being 'forest murdergoats who the chaos gods don't care about'. I still like the idea of having a go at converting up some of the Varanfray beasts from the 3rd edition book at some point.
@@joshwenn989 Exactly! Beastmen in old fantasy: just living in the forest. They just NPC race, lubricant for heroic swords. Every Imperial Captain killed 5-10 Beastlords by age 15. Beastmen in AoS: the embodiment of anarchy and rejection of the Chaos Gods (no Malal needed)! Morgur God of Deevolution. The plague turns people into beastmen simply through rumors.
On the whole Excel sheet: have you considered giving inbuilt rules a flat percentage discount? Basically, a model having the choice to pick up a usr or special weapon should be a little more expensive as they can pick more powerful combinations than a model that can not be changed. Making models with fixed rules and loadout slightly cheaper by comparison could offset the opportunity cost of more choice.
I don't think GW understands how popular fantasy is. I played my 1st 2 games last Friday, and the venue was packed. About a quarter were fantasy with the other quarters being sigmar, 40k and cards. I wouldn't be surprised if the cull is to support old world production. Old world may eclipse sigmar in the next year.
I was planning on getting into AoS using the warcry armies as a mortal followers of Chaos. Now with them all being removed ill just have to use third parties to get my fix.
They should really be making base kits with upgrade sprues. You need an intercessor kit and a heavy intercessor kit and then you just have either upgrade kits or separate kits for each which have the same body sprue and a different weapon/decoration upgrade sprue in the box. It would solve a lot of production issues for them.
I understand but it's their fault too. For example, should have just called hammer and shield weilding units as just one unit every iteration. Glad they saw their error but i hope the backlash from invalidating army kits could blow over soon
I’m not that concerned about the Stormcast, but I’m annoyed that GW has to remove Beastmen and Savage Orcs from AoS just because they will be used in Old World. Stop trying to silo armies into just one game system.
Honestly, this is why I’m ok with HH going for the he interchangeable 5 poses for all the different armour marks and generic weapons they can all use. They’re still not doing a good job with their mold choices mind, but I’d rather they make choices that put the customisation on my shoulders to kitbags than have a huge range of options that most won’t use and that they can’t support at all.
Started to collect in the second half of 2ed. Got to 2000 in 3ed. Wasn't powerful , but l liked the models tried different things, then it was wait for next FAQ. Plus the fact that my WS army in w40k got legend, gave me something to focus on. The last models l bought was 2 boxes and Aresteia for christmas. And now this got legened too. I don't have money to start a new army , especialy when after 3-4 years GW will remove it.
I always tell new players to not play primaris or stormcast unless you are ok with your models becoming obsolete quickly as gw replaces it with new shit very quickly. Now its not even just getting power crept into obscurity it's just straight up getting discontinued. Its laughable.
I started buying Primaris then stopped when I realized they can do the same thing at any time with these new marines. “You can proxy” copers are always funny. I can also just play the game with chess pieces glued onto a base of correct sizes, guess I shouldn’t give GW a cent? ;)
This is the new gw community being educated on what we all went through pre 2017 xD, maybe we will get less naivety online now. I never got too attached to most of the stuff here as I never got into aos but Im still worried some of the old world stuff thats going wont reappear!
This is what they need to do to 40K it blew my mind that they could cut that many things from the range and are still one of the bigger ranges if this was the army i collect this would be 2/3 of my datasheets gone
This is a completely made in-house problem where their design-"philosophy" clashes with both their logistics and costumer wishes. i.e. Space Marines always were the largest range but with the Primaris kits each single Firstborn box bloomed into three to five different new kits because they wanted to get rid of options and modular kits. But the problem is that SM players want the modularity and options. GW's solution was releasing different kits for each option which boosted sales but now leaves them with the issue of even worse range bloat. You could easily squash the range by releasing combined boxes and datasheets without major disruptions to the fan base. But that would mean changing their design-"philosophy" and in effect admitting they made a mistake - and you can't have that!
@@Runenschuppe agreed, i used to love my space marines when literally everything could be kit bashed,. Now it's just like GW it's doing its damndest to drain the fun out of the hobby
@@nightingale4632 It is so ironic. I switched from Lord of the Rings miniatures to 40k because of how much more creativity it allowed me only for GW to slowly take out the modularity.
What you're advising GW, w. not introducing bloat and fomo releases, is to make less money 🤣, and ya know how it goes w. large companies! 😁 I also don't really understand the mentioned bloat problem. Slow, gradual nerfs to, uhh, older miniatures achieves the same thing as straight cutting and is less PR-intensive, so to say. While hilarious, what would it hurt if, for example, GW kept dragging 1-wound squat marines through future editions? I guess I just don't get tabletop design in general...
when this inevitably happens for the 10 different aspect primaris marines, I will not laugh too hard for ask not whom the bell tolls for, it tolls for thee
It's fine to agree with them saying that the range is full of bloat regarding the Warcry and Sigmarine figs. The real (and underlying problem) is that they're likely to just refill that bloat with new Malibu Signmarine with new hat models in their typical FOMO release schedule over the next two to three years before they want to do it all over again always at the detriment of the customer. I'm OK with them not selling the models but rather what I think is more worriesome is them not having a permanent set of rules even if generic or "count as" for the customers to use for models that are single digit years old at the most.
This issue is a problem games workshop created and I am not saying they must support every model forever but if you bought a model it should be supported for at least 5-6 years and many of these war cry releases barely got 2 or 3
The purge from GW happens with everything(at this point only newer or ignorant players are shocked), normally it is slow and in small increments so you don't notice, but now with all these game systems that GW needs to support, they have to do a more aggressive approach. Older editions never die(your books are still yours), you can still go back and play those, if you want to play with newer models, well, it's just a matter of organization. If Armies Projects or IX Age did, all communities can do it, all you need is stats to play with a miniature. Now if you are a Tournament player... Welcome to Magic The Gathering the miniatures game. And who still buys from GW, they don't care for customers, it's better to 3d print at this point, you wouldn't have to pay an arm and a leg to play or paint anything.
If there just was some kind of way to have more units/ wargear options whipe keeping down the amount of kits hmmm, hear me out, what if we had something like multiple ways to build a unit in one kit
To paraphrase Senator Vreenak from DS9, "I have such a low option on GW they need to work very hard to disappoint me now!" Have a great Honeymoon dude.
Ah yes, the bloated bloat beast has becime full and needs to purge itself from 'food'. Its just a clunky cumbersom range at this point. All these removed modeks will likely get reboxed with a $$$ price tag.
The interesting thing about Stormcast is how they've been mostly rejected by the greater AoS community. They of course have their players, but their popularity is on par if not below all the other factions. In a setting with dinosaur riding lizards, delusional flesh eating ghouls, undersea elves that bring the ocean with them, dwarven pirate/merchants piloting fleets of steampunk-esque airships, fleshed out chaos factions, and all rhe other wild and wacky stuff; why would you want to be a bunch of bland knights with screaming helmets? Hell, the new cities line screams character and theme, far more evocative and appealing than the Stormcast.
if you wanna know how fast the old world died my local store manager showed me the ork battalions(?) were NOT sold... i dont buy anything from GW anymore except for paint for the last couple of years because i actually want my armies finished and im 80% done and not consume products all the time... AND I NOTICED I AINT THE ONLY ONE. most veterans of the hobby are there to buy tools to finish their stuff
7:10 So why not just say that? I understand fomo and stuff, but when you're invalidating half the range, including models which are 1 year old, you're really f-ing over everyone that purchased your product. If the plan is to make a return of these kits, with simply changed bases, you'd want people to know their hard-earned money wasn't entirely wasted on kits they won't be able to use.
Also 14:20 that's kind of unfair to say. I don't think everyone who purchased one of these models deserves to have them become invalidated. That's basically saying "You know GW is a shit company, you shouldn't have purchased any products you like."
The only reason this is making waves is because this is the first time they've done it to sigmar and the new sigmar players don't know even though we warned them
