Garmin R10 Round Up! Which software is the best? 

Thanks Chant! I love seeing comments like this. Cheers

Hey mate yes they are all using different algorithms. I have found my GC2 to be extremely accurate in terms of carry distance with the exception of driver. I think the driver may carry slightly long when the spin gets low and the launch angle remains high. Overall I think it is great for carry distance.. just like the R10 using the awesome golf app. Unfortunately the GC2 doesn't do club data only ball data as I don't have the HMT unit yet. Trackman and GCQUAD side by side are extremely close in carry distance. Again with the exception of driver when the GCQUAD overestimates the carry distance when spin gets below 2000rpm.

Thanks mate really appreciate the comment!

Hey Bob thanks for that mate!

Thanks Jez!

That is very strange!! I haven't heard of that before. Is there anything you're changing between using the apps? The Awesome Golf app should just be taking the data from Garmin and running it through its algorithm which I've found to be fantastic.

At least 9 feet (10 better) from tee to screen and 7 feet (not 6 or 8) to the R10. This means one wall of netting is not enough. I also need to raise the R10 up two inches (on two bricks) to be level with tee on top of mat. Joe has surely placed his R10 on top of his mat without an especially large tee (at the same level) in a large room. It can matter.

Hey Paul thanks for the comment mate! Yes Awesome golf is a hands down winner for stats and carry distances. I hope Garmin fixes their algorithm and makes their software as good as their hardware! I don't think it would take much for them to do.. And yes I would love to see GS Pro bring an iPad version but I'm not sure that will happen any time soon. Cheers

Hey mate most likely what's happening is you are getting a higher spin reading with the RCT vs the estimated reading from a regular Pro V1. So a higher spin will reduce the carry distance. For an example for the same golfer on the same shot all things equal (club speed, ball speed, VLA) if you don't generate as much spin say from out the rough (a flier) it will go further. Does that sound like what's happening? Cheers

@@JLagGOLF I think the spin with the RCT balls is about 500-700rpms more than standard ProV1s. I played with the elevation, humidity & temp to modify the r10 carry distance and make a good shot match a good shot at the local XGolf simulator. I’ve been using RCT balls and 5300ft (my area is 975 ft above sea level), 65% & 85* F. With these ball settings I can get 158-160 yds carry (34* 7 iron) with 84-85mph club speed and 108-110mph ball speed. It’s been a few months since I tried regular ProV1 balls - I’ll have to try them this weekend and see what I get.

BTW, great videos.

Yes it is sorry! I talk about them using both names. Thanks for that and sorry for the late reply.

E6 is great software and the good thing about it is it works without any effort. However when you get GS Pro working it a clear winner. Hopefully Garmin makes it a supported app 🤞🤞

Once you start using GSPro, you'll be absolutely hooked! I had my R10 for about 7 months before I found GSPro. I would mostly use Awesome Golf to practice (Coaching and Approach) and I would play a round in E6 maybe once a month. Now that I have GSPro, I play at least 6 rounds a week! It's highly addictive. Maybe the biggest benefit over E6 is that course designers are releasing new courses (or updating existing ones) constantly.

@@hjlamb Yeah completely agree with this comment mate! Hahaha 🤣 bloody work getting in the way of my golf Sim life

Wait what where did you see that Rapsodo says GS Pro is coming!? Hahaha I haven’t heard this.

@@JLagGOLF I sent both companies emails. GSPro didn’t acknowledge anything in the works and encouraged me to write Rapsodo. When I wrote Rapsodo, they said, “Unfortunately, there won't be compatibility with TSG19 or GSPro at launch of our MLM2PRO. However, there will be in the future. We cannot give timeframes for this feature.” It seems apparent that Rapsodo wanted to push their own software at launch, which is why they included the $199 first year with purchase. In other words, they could have sold the hardware only for $499, but they want buyers to at least try their software to start. Unfortunately, their is just too much bridge to gap and the Rapsodo software is my least favorite. Regardless, they have a year to improve it before I abandon it in favor a third party app. Hopefully, we’ll see something with GSPro in a year.

If I own my R10 for ten years, GSPro is ten times more expensive than a lifetime Awesome purchase. Too expensive. Many are having connection problems because the R10 is still not formally supported a year later. And it doesn't just require a PC but a gaming PC, that I'd had to lug in and out for my backyard simulator. No thanks.

Hey mate no it's definitely as accurate as the direct connection. The only difference you will experience is that there will be more disconnects using the e6 bridge compared to the direct connect. The direct connection is extremely stable.

Thanks mate appreciate the comment! Cheers

Thanks Andrew! Yes when using awesome golf I use the RCTs through the bag however still use normal balls to chip with. Cheers

Hey Gary yes thats the thing all these apps and the Garmin are going to be subjective to your environment and a multitude of other things. Cheers for the comment!

Hey mate glad to hear you're finally getting the R10 set up!! Yeah unfortunately the Garmin app isn't great for carry distance. As you've probably seen in the videos the awesome golf app is hands down the best (in my testing and opinion) for data. So the first thing I would do is really check alignment (I have a video) and use a laser working back from the screen. Next check your actual alignment in the Sim room as you could possibly be inducing a bit of error. The next thing and probably most unlikely is that the biggest downfall of the R10 is its inability to read gear effect and spin axis as such if you hit a toe pull in real life the ball will go right however due to the short distance to calculate the R10 will most likely see the ball taking off left and stay left. This is a possibility. Hope that helps! Also on the GS Pro website they list the minimum system requirements: Recommended minimum hardware for 1080p play: 4GB free space GTX 970 8GB memory Stable internet Connection Ethernet port and/or BT depending on Launch Monitor For me I'd get a mid range or the best gaming laptop you can afford and then test the graphics setting and see what you can run it at. GS Pro lite isn't that demanding and still looks great! Cheers

Hey mate yes! The R10 and the Rapsodo MLM2PRO both come with the e6 licence that give you the driving ranges, chipping range and also 5 free courses! This is an IOS licence though so you need an iPad or iPhone to use it.

Yeah I understand that it's a convenience thing.. it's all pros and cons really and depends on what you really want to get out of your device. If its simulated golf then GS Pro is amazing. E6 is a good app that really focuses on Sim golf. If it's more data and range work you're looking for then Awesome Golf is by far the best. Cheers

Hey mate sorry to hear that!! So there are a few troubleshooting steps you can take. The first is to put your laptop into advanced Bluetooth mode. The next check a security setting in Windows 11. Disable the "Check Apps & Files" in the security settings. This has helped people. Make sure your PC or laptop isn't too far away from your R10 as well. Finally if all that doesn't work I would recommend buying a 3rd party Bluetooth dongle from Amazon and try and use that to connect to that.. Hope one of those steps helps!!!! Join the FB group if you can there are a lot of people on there that can help as well.

Honestly if you have a gaming laptop don't hesitate GS Pro is just absolutely incredible it will blow your mind... If you are running it on an iPad or phone then Awesome Golf is the next best for games and the 9 hole courses! E6 is good for simulated golf and finally followed by the Garmin golf app!

Awesome's Games or Driving range are too boring for a fun Friday night. Pay ten dollars for a month of Home Tee Hero (Garmin's), download top courses from around the world (must use search, not menus), and play the course with your friends. Works on any phone, no issue. It now supports landscape. I cast to a projector onto the back screen. Great!

Thanks mate!

With the Garmin if I only had an iPad I would for sure be going with the Awesome Golf app. I know they are working on a few things as well and have some new courses coming 👍👍. If you have a gaming PC or laptop then you can't go past GS Pro... It is absolutely incredible!

@@JLagGOLF thanks for this . I only have iOS so looks like awesome golf is only serious option to get accurate swing work . I find the total distance accurate but total distance with e6 /Garmin massively off . Also spin number are low even with RCT ball

Hey mate great choice the r10 is a fantastic device and the SPG-7 is an amazing net. I would personally go iPad as its a bigger screen and a bit easier to navigate the apps even if you get a projector or tv to put the image on. In terms of apps you can’t go past Awesome Golf to be honest. It has in my opinion the best range for serious practice (the coaching range) as well as fun games for the kids and other driving ranges. Oh and you also get the 4 9 hole courses. So Awesome Golf (my kids love it) paired with the 5 free e6 courses you get with an iOS device is a great option. I started there and then eventually progressed to a gaming computer and GS Pro which is absolutely amazing software the simulator experience is literally the best I’ve seen. I have played in a lot of golf simulators and can honestly say what I have at home with gs pro beats them all. Hope that helps, Cheers

@@JLagGOLF appreciate you taking the time for the detailed response! I will definitely check out awesome golf and will look at getting an Ipad. Maybe a dumb question but can you run GSPro from an iPad? Also what would be the cheapest projector you would recommend? Don't mind going the eBay route for a used one but very confused w all the offerings. I know I need a short throw but that's all I know. Thanks again for your help.

​@@piboualavong745@piboualavong745 unfortunately no not at this time... However I have heard rumours that an iPad GS Pro application is in the works but not until March 24. Just rumours at this stage. For projectors you nailed it if you want something decent I suggest the BenQ TH671ST. You want something that has 3000 ansi lumens as a minimum really. The other option a bit more expensive but is a seriously good projector is the BenQ LH820ST. It's a new laser short throw laser projector and it apparently REALLY good.

Hey Tom you make me laugh hahaha. Ok so for me right now the Awesome Golf app is the benchmark. I really wish Garmin would have a look at their algorithm and tweak it slightly as it is short. As for e6 definitely check out the video in the description as it wasn't too bad really. It's definitely usable and not too far off the mark. However if I was giving someone a lesson or coaching advice I wouldn't use that app to do a bag mapping session. The thing e6 brings is Sim golf on IOS which is amazing but the carry distances are slightly off.

So Awesome Golf is just getting the data from the Garmin and running it through its algorithm. So as long as your swing is the same indoors and out you will get the same results! Awesome Golf is a great bit of software. The numbers for me are absolutely spot on and it's the only software I would trust to do a bag map with my R10. Hope that helps mate

Hey Cap now that's the million dollar question. Unfortunately I can't give you a definitive answer with the limited testing I've done.. I wish I could but anything I say would just not be true or accurate information and that's why I kind of didn't mention it in the video. I would need to do a LOT of testing and keep track of a lot of data to give you an answer to that question. If I was to just give you my assumption without fact I would say Garmin was the worst, then e6 and then GS Pro and Awesome golf tied. But that could change day to day session to session. Sorry I couldn't give you an answer! Cheers

@Joe Lagowski Golf All good, thanks Joe! I really appreciate the videos you are putting out. I've had the R10 since launch and mainly use it at the range. But I've started to build my home sim. You've convinced me to give GSPro a shot. Luckily my old gaming computer can still run it. I hear you though. Testing which app reads side spin the best would be challenging. I wonder how we could do it.

I see the same thing. That is a result of the fact that the Garmin device itself cannot read spin axis (as Joe has pointed out in other videos). IRL, my miss is nearly always a toe-y hook/draw. With the R10, that always reads as a push or push fade. The only way around that would be either a firmware update from Garmin (fingers crossed) or a different launch monitor.

Hey mate GS Pros algorithm is extremely good I would use the RCT balls for driver to 3 iron and then use a regular ball for pretty much the rest of the bag. Definitely check out my video where I compared the Garmin hooked up to GS Pro vs my GC2 the numbers were great with RCT. You might get a bit more distance with your irons using a normal ball but its not a massive difference. If you are a good player though that looking for perfect (or as close to) yardages then RCT through the bag. However I would chip with normal balls as I’ve had some odd reads with the RCT balls and chipping. Hope that helps!

@@JLagGOLF appreciate the info thanks

Yeah that is very interesting I've never seen that so will check it out! However no Awesome Golf wouldn't be able to read anything. So the Garmin will get all the numbers and pass them to Awesome Golf and then those numbers would go through the Awesome golf algorithm which would then give you carry distance, ball flight and all those other metrics but the raw numbers themselves come direct from Garmin and a different app won't influence them but the apps all have a different algorithm. Hope that makes sense! Cheers

@@JLagGOLF yeah I must of changed something when I switched from garmin to awesome golf. Thank you for your input!

Yes they never used to offer a monthly payment plan it was all up front. Now they are a bit more flexible which I think is great 👍 Cheers and thanks for the comment

Hey mate yes absolutely they could just update the algorithm to show more carry distance. If they are going to do it or not... I don't know. It's been a LONG time now since the last update.

@@JLagGOLF wow that fast. The thing with Awesome golf is I think you can buy a perpetual lifetime license for about 400€. So it’s much cheaper over time than GS pro

@@JLagGOLF just a bit silly Garmin can’t get the correct numbers when the hardware is there. I guess they don’t have the right competence in house n

@@AdvancedSquadLeader Yeah and I mean that might just be what they deem to be correct... To me personally it's short and Awesome Golf in my testing is the most accurate with carry distance. The software is fantastic especially the coaching section. If you're looking for something to really work on your game Awesome golf is the way to go. If you are after AMAZING Sim golf software you cannot beat GS Pro.. but the gaming computer is generally what prevents most people from buying it.

@@JLagGOLF as you might be guessing I am trying to convince myself that the R10 is good enough.

Hey mate unfortunately no the courses included are Aviara country club, wade Hampton, Sanctuary good club, Bandon dunes and stone canyon golf club

Hey Sampo yes you can adjust the environmental settings however this will then adjust everything so now the wedges that were reading correctly before will carry to far. What you can do in GS Pro though is fix the driver length as you can add shot boost and select driver only. So at least that can be dialed in.. however for people with only the R10 trying to calibrate this and find the exact amount of shot boost to add would be hard. But it's an option! Cheers

Hey Ben no I don't know where it sits in terms of data accuracy sorry. But for me TGC19 is a dead software and not really worth the cost. It hasn't had an update in years and is very expensive. In comparison to GS Pro ($250 USD a year or $500 forever with no updates) really there is none.. just my opinion. That's interesting where did you see that? I have my old pixel 2 XL running as my bridge and do get the odd yellow hourglass or disconnect. But the same happens with my iPad when I use that.

@@JLagGOLF The IOS device type info came from E6 direct yesterday in a conversation I’m going to do some testing today by using my phone as the “IOS engine” again for E6 & see if that reduces or mitigates the random disconnect troubles I’ve always encountered using my IPad I went with the iPad because I wanted to keep my phone free from being held up while playing. I really hope Garmin makes it android (pc) & iOS friendly soon and a way to pretty much hardwire all these combos so we can cut out the middle men in the network soon

@@benwilmarth5473 yeah let me know the results that would be interesting. Yeah I completely agree... If we could connect to PC direct it would cut out all of this and make things so much more stable! Unfortunately the rate at which Garmin releases updates to their older products I don't hold out much hope. But I will keep my fingers crossed 🤞!

Hey mate no this is the current version. The R10 is an amazing unit you will love it! Cheers

Hey Nick no I'm assuming with android you would just pay through the play store as that's their app store.

Not yet but that’s a good idea! TBH ive found the MLM2PRO so accurate with all the applications. I don’t think it can read multi app sots at the same time like the r10 could just because of the way it connects but ill try!!

I’ve seen people claiming that certain apps are more accurate than others when using the MLM2PRO. So at least seeing a competition to the GC3 numbers would be cool. I recently ordered the MLM2PRO and want make sure I’m getting the most accurate shots when using sim software

Absolutely mate you will get access to them! It comes with the R10 even if you buy it second hand. Cheers

@@JLagGOLF that is awesome news!! Thank you!

@@JLagGOLF I understood this was not available for Android.

​@@JustMeAP1 Hey mate the only thing not available for Android is the free e6 courses 👍 because the licence is for iOS only

@@JLagGOLF Got it - E6 CONNECT is only for high-end PC (with NVIDIA or AMD card) and iOS. No Android. 27 courses for $1,000. 42,000 courses for $10 for a month with Home Tee Hero on any phone in landscape mode. I played Royal Troon last week. Much easier than the real thing with simply hitting 20% harder from the rough. lol

Hey mate no we haven't had an update for the Garmin since this video. So all the results in this video for me are still correct! Cheers

I completely agree. HTH could be absolutely amazing. But I feel like Garmin hasn't really tried to improve it since release. They have added a few things to the Garmin app but users need a quicker turn around with updates. It's been months now on 4.30 and everyone knows the carry distances are out... I really hope Garmin are on to this with the next release. It must be a really small team at Garmin trying to work on this. If you are reading this Garmin then I'm happy to help out with any testing! 🤣

@@JLagGOLF my hopes are that Garmin is working on releasing a new launch monitor/simulator to keep up with the Rapsodo 2! I’m hopeful Garmin is working out the bugs and will add a port to support GSPro, or at least partner up with them. Either way I’m happy with the R10 and it’s easy setup. I think I’m less than a grand total for my setup in my garage. The R10 was the most expensive piece to my garage simulator. I’m happy with my selection in getting the R10. You made my choice so much easier by all your videos about it, so thank you Mr. Lagowski🙌🏽

Now Feb 2024 and not a single release by garmin

@@gavinleeburn1 I did away with my Garmin R10 and upgraded to the Skytrak+. Best decision I’ve made since I started playing golf three years ago!

🤣 Crash Tuesday! Yeah I know what you mean look touch wood since I've had the gaming laptop it's been absolutely fantastic and I haven't had a problem. That being said it is pretty much a dedicated machine for GS Pro only. I have had Macs my whole life and they are great machines... So stable. That being said I haven't heard anything about GS Pro officially being brought to Mac. I know a few people run it through parallels.

🤣🤣 The only free one if you have android is the going to be the Garmin golf app