Garry's Other Mod: Realizing What S&box Is 

I agree with the "Half life foundation", the artstyle of gmod was (atleast for me) the thing that made me interested in it in the first place

Didn't Garry say he didn't want game assets being ported into S&Box?..If that's true, it might ruin the game a bit, since assets from other games are one of the parts that makes GMod special for me.

You can see how dark and gritty Rad Haz is, he just randomly drowned a dog like it's nothing.

I can't believe this game is this active even though it's only invite key exclusive Also i can't wait for a source 2 version of JBMod

S&box isn't using HL:Alyx's assets because Garry doesn't want to create another Counter-Strike: Source problem that Garry's Mod had. It was easier to use Half-Life 2's assets in Garry's Mod because by default all source engine games/mods get all of Half-Life 2's Models, Textures and animations with almost no requirements. The only requirement for mods is that you have the proper SDK installed on Steam.

Every gmod fan waits for this, and when its publicly released 50% of people will use some sort of hl2 character as their player model and other half will use what they used in gmod

Completely agree on the Half-Life assets part, probably my biggest worry when it comes to S&box. I'm confident Valve's assets gave a massive boost to the early days of gmod, hell even today there's still maps and addons that use their assets coming out, CS:S is still a requirement on so many addons that come out now. I have a feeling that there could be copyright infringement issues when it comes to that and S&box. Gmod at least started out as a mod, so it would be stupid for Valve to strip it of their assets later on, but as I understand S&box will come out as an independent game from day 1, I could see them using Valve's assets being a problem.

This ain’t Garry's mod, its Garry's game.

i wish someone would make a box of sand newman:

yes it would be great if they added assets from other source 2 games or they could add a mounting systhem where you could mount cs2 if you have it installed.

As I see it right now, S&box looks like it wants to be a sort of "Roblox", where it's the platform with the foundations, like servers and a stable engine (i don't know if S&box provides servers for games but Roblox does) for developers to make and easily publish their own games within.

im predicting now that the number one mod on the workshop will be a gmod conversion and will be forever

i feel like i am getting old. when i first saw S&Box i thought "Gmod 2" like many before, and you and many people say: "its really not" which does not have to be bad, but its the same framework of gmod, but i feel that you never have any of the data. all the files are serverside stuff and if one day the servers are done, you couldn't sit down and make a nice wire creation out of boredom on your own because you need to load into some gamemode browser that 404s on you. the idea of data mortality (the death of a game) or "abandonware" makes me angry and that the thing i look up to seems so tailored to online play just makes me uneasy. gmod wasn't perfect but it had the formula down methinks.

Somebody legit thought that something Gmod 2 needed was Fanboy and Chum Chum player models

Can’t wait for it to be released to the public!

i tried playing s&box, and the lack of an undo button made me SO upset i couldn't play it also the beans are ugly as sin

Facepunch calling it a "worthy sequel to Garry's Mod" is pretty disingenuous when it's missing a lot of what makes Garry's Mod Garry's Mod

5:15 I'm pretty sure they mentioned in a blog post that they didn't want to run into another "everyone needs counter strike: source" issue, so that's why they don't use half life alyx assets

"garrys biggest bomb was gmod" - some guy in a dacoobers video

me personally, i’m not that excited for s&box

The bean cartoony characters are off putting, I will agree with that. Even if its a older title now HL2 assets could still easily be used as a base. Not sure why Garry want's to distance himself considering how vital it was to the success of the game.

One thing that strikes me about the playermodels is that having strange looking avatars in a sandbox game is... generic as all hell, granted realism like Gmod had doesn't make it super special but it damn well makes it less generic and jarring

if i recall correctly, Facepunch was given the engine but if they wanted to use valve's assets they had to pay a % cut of the overall revenue.. for each valve game that they took assets from . I think the overall reason for this is becasue valve wants facepunch to stand on its own leg and create something of their own instead of relying on valve. also im pretty sure that they are intentionally trying to make it as far away from half life as possible, considering the overall aesthetic and the horrible sausage characters. Also its important to remember that valve as a company is getting old, like gabe just reached 60 years old and many of the employees are also pretty old.. doing online games is many magnitudes easier than creating a believable singleplayer experience and most of their success is from this market (multiplayer). like both half life games were kinda considered failures (by valves standards) even if many people loved them

Theres something fun & special about playing a 20 year old game thats still popular and fun, S&box wont beat Gmod.

Garry's Mod was indeed heavily reliant on Half Life 2 as a base for its entire success. Its role as a physics based sandbox was a niche that had not yet been fulfilled to the degree Garry's Mod managed to. However, it is important to note that Garry's Mod is a *physics based* sandbox, only being such because Half Life 2 was a *physics based* game. Valve is known for pushing only the latest and most innovative game ideas in their flagship titles, which at the time physics was that new and bright future for games that Half Life 2 sought to explore. However, physics has long passed the front of innovation and Valve is looking for new ideas to expand upon. For that reason, there never will be another Half Life title where physics is the center of gameplay, and as such you can't have a Garry's Mod 2 based on a title which does not exist and will not exist. Half Life Alyx is that new Half Life title, it pushes the ability of games by expanding to be the greatest VR title so far, its just not accepted as that because some people can either not play it or it is not a physics based / nostalgic game which the other Half Life titles occupy. I agree Half Life Alyx does not have the same feel as the other titles, but that is because it is a new game exploring an entirely new medium which can never feel the same as platform shooters. If you want to play a game like Garry's Mod, you can just play Garry's Mod. A new coat of paint on the same experience will never be fulfilling, and for the people expecting Sbox to be Garry's Mod 2 are only dumbing down its potential to be an inferior modernized version of an existing game. For Sbox to succeed, it should be encouraged and supported to do something entirely new.

If s&box is hard to understand, the easiest way is to think of it like a way more sophisticated and adult centered Roblox. S&Box is a game developing engine focused on sharing, friends, parties and fun.

1:39 I don't know what you mean, you said you wanted "a normal human bean", and you got one. Make up your mind! Also, I think it's better if this game creates its own assets. Gmod was fun because of the HL2 assets, but you can't catch lightning in a bottle twice. This way, the mod can actually stand on its own, without being tethered to an aging game. It can do its own thing, and the beans are part of that. They add character.

Suggestion: play a game mode named Boomer and also try your hand at Hammer 2. It's so much more intuitive and easier than Hammer 1.

i'm just excited for when things like DarkRP are implemented into S&Box, i mean there's already infamous maps like downtown v2 being made in s&box and it's just a sure future that i can't wait for since it's bound to happen and it'll be very cool

Cant wait to see hunt down the freeman on s&box!

Ok but there's barely any sand and boxes. I thought this was supposed to be a s&box.

I'm only really interested in it for the games bundled in like the alpha port of TF2, I agree Half Life should be used in it and to replace those damn beans.

ah yes Cry of Fear: Source 2

if your talking about a new flagship half life game for s&box to base upon then we're gunna be here till the heat death of the sun

The only thing I'm excited about, is making animations and machinimas in S&Box. Like how you make animations in SFM and machinimas in Gmod. S&Box is not just a game, it's a content creating machine.

No steam workshop is 100% a point I am... very much not liking.

I hope Terry will become I widely beloved character in the internet, after S&Box releases. Terry plushes will soon hit the market. Btw, Terry is the bean characters that you described.

The bean models are just the official supported models, the customizability the game modes enable allow the creators to put any model they desire as the character model.

2:40 nah he did my boy Simon dirty 😭😭😭

The "beans" as eligible characters in the game is called Terry (he has neither a gender nor a certain ethnicity or anything, he is just a character that serves as a placeholder and as a main character if you want, at the same time). And they are one of the S&Box mascots (I don't know if there are more officially), I think the other two are realistic humans with different skin and hair tones (in fact, one of them has no hair on his head, he's bald) , that right now I don't remember their official names... in the future you will be able to choose or add your own skins or characters to choose from... there are people who are trying to make imports or their own creations to add.

I get why your confused by some of the decisions Facepunch made during the video. I i highly would recommend at some point going through Garry's blog where he explains why some of those decisions were made, like why the Terry character models are the main models of the game (even tho they plan to also add realistic ones now) or why they aren't using the steam workshop anymore.

I'm with you rad haz, I don't like the bean people.

even with s&box being development and i also highly doubt it will get popularity like its predecessor, gmod will still be my favourite sandbox game, watching those 2010s gmod videos back then, led me getting gmod where i have hours of fun from the addons, still arguably an iconic game even for a decade old game

Looks like a combination of Gmod and Roblox, which is pretty obvious. Not saying it's a bad thing, but the visual style of the game doesn't interest me at all, so I'll stick to Gmod.

majority of people iv talked to who have access to S&Box, say theyll stay with Gmod. and about 75% I talked to after explaining that its not Gmod 2, it cant port stuff like maps over 1:1, and DarkRP or the like of it wont be present, that means all the RP gamemodes wont be there, and IP protection so starwars, harry potter, Halo, ect wont be present. because donations cant be pocketed. ... say theyll stay on Gmod.

A few notes: 1 - Regarding the download speed, I think it might be a client-side thing. I'm not sure what your download/upload speeds are, but I have horrifically poor internet and the time it takes for me to download a gamemode, map or asset are pretty much on-par with the times you mentioned in the video. 2 - I'm surprised how few people mention this, but one of S&Box's biggest problems right now is that, because it's still in heavy development, it's easy for gamemodes, scripts, shaders, etc to just break. I got my hands on a S&Box key recently and was super excited to try some gamemodes I heard about long ago, especially some of Eagle One Development's early stuff, only to find out that a lot of old content doesn't exist anymore (likely because years of overhauls to game engine's base code broke a lot of systems that early gamemodes/assets relied upon, and devs decided it was not worth the hassle of fixing it if it's going to be broken again within a month. Admittedly that's speculation on my part, but the point is: old content dead). Hopefully when the public version comes out (and changes to the base engine code become less frequent) gamemodes/maps/assets will have a longer shelf-life, but until that happens most of S&Box can only be experienced in-the-moment.

Hopefully when S&Box is more finished people will use it to make some of the stuff that the Garry's Mod community made (like machinimas).

i would stomp the s&box player characters into a fine brown paste if i saw them scuttling along the floor in real life

Garry made a point to not add half life assets to s&bot because it would allow valve to take an extra 25% cut on royalty for the game and it was too much for him to be willing to agree too.

i just got access to it today and i got a couple things to say about it, the servers run extremely smoothly but it just doesn't feel all there its still a little weird and unfamiliar like the spawn menu is literally just community content from what i can tell multiplayer is really shitty it doesn't feel fun most of the time your just running around and dying constantly

It's roblox/scratch done right/better with roots in a multi million games company

I really just pefer GMOD to S&box, since i've started playing gmod nothing can replace it for me, its just got the feel.

S&Box feels so... pitiful. Like, literally everyone would love it if just Garry's Mod was put on Source 2. But he goes and makes this weird bean person game with out of place assets, no art style, and the only real content all being community made.

i often compare S&Box to things like Dreams Or Roblox: it itself is not a game, but rather a platform *for* games

I think the reason why you don't see Half Life props is because Gmod was a mod for Half Life 2 so of course it would include HL2 props, once Valve had officially published Gmod, they were probably okay with it using their assets. This time, I think Valve only licensed the engine but didn't allow the use of their newer assets from HL: A.

I’ve had the game for a couple weeks. I can’t see it ever being successful like gmod. No steam workshop, no half life props, roblox like game modes rather than servers. I heard copyright will also be enforced in their proprietary workshop. Shame Valve gave Facepunch the Source 2 SDK first because they wasted it on this.

Garry purposefully avoided using HL as a foundation (which is why he created the beans) because licensing, i think. What I don't understand is why he didn't use Rust assets instead. Or why he is deliberately discouraging game ports.

And i thought i was the only one on the wavelength regarding current Gmod being superior than s&box

I hope I can get access to this game soon, I’ve been eagerly waiting for its release for a long while. This looks really good

S&box is more server sided, gmod is more mod sided gmod wont die because of S&box, like a lot of people exagerate about (not you radiation), rather, S&box will provide a new experience, something different, ya know? tho uh, things arent lookin' too good, atleast its not finished, would be bad if this was the final product we recieved

This is the first Source 2 game right? Without workshop, available assets, ot HL 3 being released, I just don't see it being as successful as Gmod.

The only thing I hate is this invite system for getting keys, I've tried to get a key in 2021 I believe - no luck Hope this new system will be better or just make pre-orders Garry, please.

I like how he started saying it's not Gmod 2 but it literally looks plays and feels like a sequel to gmod😂

Great video! Wish they gave out more S&box keys, can't seem to get any :(

Once S&box is released to the public i can’t wait to get my hands on TF2 S2, it looks very nice

I'm not going to lie this game is going to revolutionize so much stuff is going to be basically the adult version of Roblox

Other than the fact that all the main character playermodels look really fkin ugly. S&box is looking very promising and ive already got a whole slew of ideas of what to make in it!

I think, many people don't realize s&box is not a mod, it's a stand alone game running on source, that's why it doesn't have all the HL:A stuff, Garry said so at some point; S&box is not a GMod sequel, it is its own thing

You want Half-Life 3 for finishing the half life story line I want Half-Life 3 for GMod Shitpost Assets We are not the same

It was kinda like Roblox but in Source 2.

2:22 aw hell nah tf did the thing do to you?

Roblox in Source 2 is a good way to explain it.

Ngl I shat my pants when I saw the gif cube... also holy shit nice! I can't wait to know more about s&box, although I'm a little worried this "avatar" thing might be used for some kind of monetization scheme. I would really hate to see the spirit of modding break by making it a paid service and a business model rather than a community effort.

Hopefully they do optimize s&box to run better for mid to lower end PCs. Also the reason why they removed assets pertaining to Half Life Alyx since they were in the game then removed was that both Valve wanted Facepunch to pay a royalty fee. And Garry stated that with s&box he wanted it to have its own feel and style to the game. Otherwise he’d still keep the assets in the game. The Terry sausage people were made cause of some dark messed up cartoon show him and his dad watched in the 90s. So it’s Garry just wanting to be weird and different. Hope this helps understanding the games art direction 😁

This really shows how dark and gritty Rad Haz can be

I want S&box is DARK AND GRITTY.

Facepunch wants S&box to be unrelated to any Valve IPs, pretty sure they have made that clear

I fucking despise the playermodels in this game, I'll literally skip on S&box if you're forced to only play with those.

The reason why you don't like the new textures in Source 2, compared to Source, is because, as you said before: YOU LIKE NOSTALGIC, OLD, DIRTY, DARK AND BRUTALIST. And Source 2 takes some of that away. And your mind doesn't get used to it.

I don't understand. What does this bring to the table that gmod doesn't? I don't think the graphics look that much better.

“Wanna see me make a mod? Wanna see me do it again?”

The player models are the worst design decision I've ever seen

I agree, the beans are a bad choice. Also, it's not a "you" problem with how long things load. It's straight up a design problem. Trying to put everything on "le cloud" is a terrible idea. Locally hosting and keeping is waaay better and always will be, even with gigabit internet.

gerry said he does not want to moutn games

S&box is for modern and garrys mod is for old school, and wait is S&box made with source 2? It does! And I also bet half life alyx has half life 3 cut content in there

As someone who's had s&box access for quite a long while now, those thumb people sure have grown on me a lot. :)

i cant wait to play this game source 2 allows for almost INFINITE MAPS size or proceduraly generatad dark RP little boy hiroshima incoming cant wait

s&box is it's own thing, it's not a hl:a mod, and it's why it isn't dependent on any Valve assets. They use source 2 because it's more intuitive than UE

Ngl, i really love the default map, it's so smooth and realistic at same time, i love the details in it aswell liminality. Would be nice if you could do video just about the default map, seems really interesting.

i keep reading it as S and box

just in my opinion i think S&box will never be as big as gmod

It will be interesting to see what massive servers start to show up when the game fully releases,

S&box will fail because of the bean playermodels

I’m hoping people are able to make good machinima tools and good models too.

Dark and Gritty, but with nice lighting and skybox.

Ive been having akot of fun on Ttt. I think a game night or stream is in order for s&box

The b e a n s look like something out of Rick and Morty

2:50 goodbye simon

I've had my hands on s&box for at least 2 years now and I'll tell you, I'm extremely skeptical about it. for all intents and purposes this is roblox on source 2

The problem was they they didn't have the rights to HL:A assets and Valve wouldn't give them up this time.