This is the full 8 minute video of the one i posted on Facebook. The screaming sounds you can hear are actually all the gas bottles venting i think, quit a few explosions, very dangerous for the fire fighters!!
having dealt with a few of these fires in my 20+ year career, the guy pissing on the roof, that water is turning to steam or not even reaching the seat of the fire and is doing absolutely nothing. take that water and cool the stuff along side the building and attempt to cool the stuff inside the building as well. the second line, safely stand at the edge of the overhead door and start putting fire out! you cool the tanks, cylinders and what ever gas holding devices inside the building most if not all of your attack issues will be taken care of. if not let it burn and protect life and exposures. you have got to train, train and train some more for a job that can and will kill you.
I like your point of view on this. the traffic was not stopped here in the U .S that area would be closed and all nearby businesses would have been evacuated no exceptions
Love the fire videos ... everyone is the fire chief and knows what to do. I didn't see the RU-vid Fire Department show up. Can someone put a time stamp when they showed up to show them how it is done? I missed it.
Good catch. Good thing that gas recycler was only handling consumer BBQ gas cylinders and not those big 200 kg cylinders that is commonly used in the construction industry. 200 kg gas cylinders can launch themselves for half a kilometer threatening the entire neighborhood.
Question from a non-firefighter: was there a purpose for the man standing outside the building and putting water on the outside of the wall instead of into the building and directly on the flames?
Not that I could see. Neither was there a reason for flowing water on the flames coming from the roof. The water, and in this case, water from much larger fire streams, must be directed onto the fuel that is burning, not the flames themselves. 29 years paid service, retired.
@@kentcarter835 Also, considering the contents of the building, he probably should keep a safer distance from the building, armchair firefighter here, still working. Peace
@@baracktrump1410 To me, it looked like they were using the water as a cooling curtain to prevent the outside tanks getting too hot which could lead to a BLEVE if they weren't careful. That was my impression as a non firefighter.
Team Work?! I didn't see that at all. I just saw a heap of poorly trained muppets running around. Struggling to even run out a hose. Giving the bloke a hand in BA with the 38mm hose would have been a start. Cooling those bottles out the front should have been number one priority.
They are in an industrial area as they are a company working out of a factory. Where do you want them to be, in a residential area or maybe next to a school or hospital. A few kilometres down the road there is an even bigger chemical warehouse. This factory fire involving gas cylinders is nothing compared to if Henkel Chemicals went up in flames.
There was a European style aerial ladder platform dispatched but it was a li distance away in Dandenong and a truck similar to what you would call a tower ladder that was only minutes out was also dispatched
@@nicholasangelsgt7778 Which appliance are you referring to at the end of that comment? TB22 was OOC so they called for TB25, 10 minutes vs about 30 minutes for the closest aerial
I just found it a bit funny watching all the drivers go on by like oh its just a fire nothing to worry about if it explodes im in a car with no combustible substances I will be alright.
It's Australia not the USA. Sure a propane tank could rocket out of that building and hit bystanders, but that's probably not even the top ten things that will try to kill them today.
Early on in the clip, the number of people getting closer for a good look is interesting. 😂 Having seen a few gas cylinders fail spectacularly at fires I'd be walking the other way.
Because I was a kid I was at school that day and it was recess and all you could see was fire and smoke a fire Fighter actually came into my school that I used to go to and told the principal to tell everyone to go inside and turn the air cons off but because it was a Hot day inside the classrooms it was boiling even though the fans were on. Also it was really efficient that there was a CFA 🚒🚒 just down the road. IT WAS SCARY!!! 😲 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 and also you should put your Hair in a bun before even getting in to the Firetruck 3:10
Maybe just an American thing, but I kept waiting for the "real" fire trucks and aerials to arrive instead of those water/hose tenders. Seems to be a lack of fire apparatus/equipment capable of handling a large scale fire like that.
That is my question: what are these trucks with the low-height box (lacking better words)? They might be water tankers with an engine, but without all the other equipment. Such a thing can start hosing immediately, then pump hydrant water when the tank is empty. (In Germany, we have them under the name "Tanklöschfahrzeug" (TLF), they can attack a fire on their own in certain cases. But the modern standardized general-purpose engine trucks (LF/HLF) have tanks, too. There are also tankers that supply foam or powder.)
Given the factory fire was in an outer suburb of Melbourne those bigger trucks no doubt were coming but the ones you see were local. First Fire appliance was a medium type pumper followed by a tanker and heavy pumper (mfb) and another tanker most but not all the fire fighters in this video were volunteers so hats off to them all.
You’re correct Derek.here in Australia we don’t have the resources and/or space to use the large American style appliances in some of our towns as a lot of our fire stations are in or began as tin sheds
@@Halberdin They are often called tankers here in Australian and are designed primarily for rural fires however they often have some structural capabilities. This particular fire was on the outskirts of Melbourne where many fire stations have pumpers and rural tankers, often the stations will respond with both a heavy pumper and a tanker to structure fires in the peri-urban landscape.
Keep in mind most of these are volunteering fire brigades they do this for free we have to drop whatever we doing and atttend so yeah it’s not as quick as it should be
Two things, dude standing near the scene with hand on his side umm why are you even there with your truck…secondly why would they park their pumpers so close to fire when there’s small explosions on arrival…
What a shameful disgrace! Time to fire these incompetents! When will they start training fire people properly! Over four minutes before the firefighters even started spraying water... and it wasnt even on the fire! Most of the fire people just stood around waiting for someone to tell them what to do Where was the leadership during this entire disgrace! Poor positioning of the trucks blocked the entrance! They didnt even have an aerial truck! (did I do that right? 😉)
Can't fire volunteers haha It was not supposed to be on the fire until more resources arrived. They were containing the fire to prevent external gas bottles from exploding. And they had two aerial appliances that were called in straight away.
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You obviously have no idea of what a size up is and a RECEO. It was an outstanding job by all those involved and these types of jobs are often complex. There were water supply issues and the first priority when arriving on scene was safety of everyone eg: firefighters and anyone trapped inside, injuries and then the next priority was exposures which were the gas cylinders at the front of the building, keep them cool and the main building is already a loss.
@@shaneaddison6670 Don't know about the rest of your reply, but there was a hydrant right there on the entrance to the driveway. Seemed like it took a while to turn it on. Maybe there were other water issues with the trucks?
Not only do these firefighters lack quality firefighting equipment, they lack training. I wonder are these volunteers!!! . Spraying the outside wall, no ladder truck and only 2 lines!!! Wow. They need 2 truck ladders 2 lines in the air, and at least 4 lines on the ground. Any firefighters on this page would halfway agree or if not at all then what is wrong with this situation?
Yes they are volunteers, 3/4 trucks that are shown in the video are CFA(country fire authority) a volunteer/community based organisation more geared towards bush fires. Hence why they have 4x4 tender trucks. Near the end you can see a MFB(Metropolitan fire brigade) truck arrive and push in these are the full time paid firefighters and are better equipped for urban/industrial fires.
I'm a retired 30 year career firefighter (us) and do not "agree" with you one bit. The person outside was an employee of the facility and doesn't have any relevance to the firefighters I cannot speak to this FD as I know nothing about them, but where I worked with a fire like this you wouldn't just just run up and start spraying without formulating a plan as It is obviously some sort of commercial facility with compressed flammable gas. Any plan that is put in place is going to first dictate protecting exposures (which it appears they did) as this is a large fuel fed fire, so small water isn't going to do squat. Start protecting hazardous exposures, make evacuations, relay info for incoming units, begin staging, and so on. As for equipment, it cannot magically teleport itself... it takes time to arrive especially when it it likely that they called in for reinforcements from surrounding areas. I literally see nothing wrong with what they did, it's an advanced fire and they are in the very early stages of the evolution
When everyone else on the road going to see the fire, it slows the fire department down drastically, and you can't imagine how frustrating that is. 29 years service, retired.
Volunteer brigade is the first to show up. In the area that fire is there is 1 integrated station (perm/volunteer) about 10-15 mins away and 2 MFB (full perm stations) 10-20 mins away. The rest are volunteer brigades, not on station. From the time the pager goes off the first truck is/should be rolling in 4 mins. So yes, they do appear to be responding slowly but still operating within the procedures of a vol station. Perm stations are 90 secs but if they weren't primary or support on the original call they will be delayed.
If this was in the USA we would have had about 8 or more pumpers 4 or more various ladder trucks hazmat units a decon unit various specialty units, multiple chief supervisors multiple medical units and police units for crowd control and to shut down traffic in all directions.🔥😂😂😜
This is in outer metropolitan Melbourne. This fire occurred in a volunteer fire brigades catchment in the middle of a weekday. Suffice to say crew and resources are stretched for a service focused on wildfire. Fairly certain US has similar set ups and dilemmas in regional areas. Video is also short as other have stated. Nearby MFB (paid service w/ focus on urban fires) arrived 6 minutes in and neighboring brigades telebooms would be en route which you could expect in the next 5 mins of video. Monitors were set up of camera aswell by the MFB.
Tony Jackson - yes, in American cities they do have plenty of equipment, as do most major cities in most countries. You see the same criticisms by armchair critics in American firefighting videos. The Dutch seem to have one of the best ff services but even they can't just materialise at the scene in the blink of an eye. And to be fair, more doesn't always equate to better.
Funnily enough these things take time to arrive on scene there is a video of the radio calls for this job and plenty of resources are asked for it just takes time for resources to travel
