@@glacius331 Yeah but if you factor in the difference in fuel consumption into the prices they paid, you get 5.72 miles per dollar for the gas and 5.16 miles per dollar for the diesel. So they are pretty close.
@drumanaut sir you are spot on. My experience with gas versus diesel is that diesel is less total cost of ownership and this 100 mike loop is insufficient to make a buying decision. They are getting clicks for their business model and I don't blame them but hardly deep analysis here.
One of them you have to pay $12.000 extra to have the Diesel, plus constant DEF fills and emissions system issues. The gasser costs less to buy, operate, and will go further with less costly maintenance. The Diesel is a much heavier truck which will go through tires and brakes faster, but can tow more weight. The only way I could see someone buying the Diesel is if your pulling a heavy trailer all the time and you have a company to write off the expenses.
Just switched from 2017 f350 diesel to 2024 6.8 gas f350. And the gas motor is pretty awesome and fuel mileage has been very good. Pulled my 43ft 5th wheel with no problem. I’m very happy.
I bought a 22 6.2 gasser. I tow up to 11k occasionally and 5k daily. Mountains and local roads, always hilly but never fast. Typical speed limit for me is 45, sometimes 55. The truck has been great and I feel comfortable when it comes to reliability. 25k miles in one year of ownership
So I see the appeal of diesel trucks because I see how the owners run them. They like to run around like they don't have a trailer at all 80 90 miles an hour. The other thing is is because the diesel engine is the exact same as you get on the ones that can tow 35k+ They have literally an excess amount of power When towing their 12,000 lb travel trailer.
A real world contribution I was headed up to PA from NC all highway anywhere from 60-80mph with a few traffic spots. The one trip meter I reset was 420 miles at 17mpg. With numbers like that and with the things I tow I’d never get the diesel
Went from diesel to gas and the only things I miss are the empty diesel pumps when refueling and the sound of the turbo 😂 other than that, I have no need to go back to diesel currently. Can’t see me getting a camper more than 10k lbs now
If you’re not towing/hauling or driving extremely long distances every other day up to high temps just get the 7.3l gas. Currently have a 6.7l diesel and switching to a 7.3l to avoid the headache of constant regens and higher fuel/maintenance costs.
Doubt they'll ever make an HD gas hybrid but maybe diesel/electric one day. Only get diesel if you are towing over 20klbs even if your concerned about fuel mileage. I would get rid of the diesel once the warranty is up due to the unreliability of the emissions systems. The 7.3l will last longer with much lower maintenance/repair costs overall. You just have to sacrifice lower mpg with gas which is still cheaper than running diesel long term. @@Rskitalll
In the last 2 years, I went from a Lariat Tremor Godzilla F-250 to an XLT Powerboost F-150. Both were/are amazing trucks, but I have to say 24mpg in a quick, torquey 1/2 ton is a lot more fun to fuel and drive.
Until that turbo ruins the motor which is exactly going to happen...they are cranking up the power on these v6motors and these V6 motors can't handle it yet...and that's exactly what these companies want...looking at a 10 thousand to 12 thousand dollar motor swap...always go V8 in a pick up
@@morganclairdayii5609I know a few people that have the 3.5 f150 in the 100k mile range that have had zero issues. My in-laws just went over 190k and only issue he’s had was a clogged cat. I have an escape with the 2.0 4cyl eco boost at 150k and the only issue I’ve had is the evap purge valve. So far so good with our eco boost engines.
I’ve owned 2 Cummins and a duramax and I couldn’t believe the reduced cost of just owning the truck (maintenance) when I purchased a brand new 1500 with the hemi. 59,000 miles and all I’ve ever done is get $50 oil changes and 1 new air filter. My diesels would cost 300-500 every single service. Plus they get the same mileage but gas is far cheaper. Diesels that aren’t towing heavy consistently are trucks for male princesses at this point.
Diesel. My 2024 Silverado 3500 weighs over 8k pounds. I pass cars like they are standing still. Not everything is about fuel economy and towing. The torque with a diesel is a game changer. Going up hills feels like a car going down a hill. Pure power and acceleration.
I truly love my 2021 f350 7.3 with 4..33 I tow a 46 foot 5th wheel camper with it. We have traveled all over the upper Midwest and western states with ease.
I have a 2020 F350 dually with the 6.7 and when I use the Eco Mode, the reduced power is very noticeable, but I really don't notice much difference in fuel mileage. Great truck by the way!
I ran a 5 hour run in my 21 350 diesel (can't remember how many miles) I was 21 mpg in eco with aggressive tires on a lariat extended cab long box and tow a 17k 5th wheel average 14-15.5 with that
I would love to see the two gas engines compared if you guys get the chance when the 6.8 comes out. With my commute there is no way I am paying current prices for a new truck every 6 years so my next purchase is a commuter and then either a 6.8/7.3 gas F250 or maybe a 5.0 F150 that will be my weekend hauler for the long run. My 2019 F150 cost about $10K more than my 2012 for slightly less truck and a new truck equal to my 2019 is at least another $10K more. It is ridiculous!
Add the additional cost of DEF, and the likely potential of future, ultra-expensive emissions equipment failures, and the gasser is a far better choice (IMHO), economically speaking.
Great video. I was looking at Super Duty or regular F150 as well as gas versus diesel to pull a 36' RV. So far, we've not pulled the RV that much. I chose the F150 gas. I'm happy with my decision. Your advice on constantly towing I think is spot on for the diesel.
How heavy is the 36ft camper? Not being mean, but 36ft is pretty big for a f150 gas. I have a 21 f150 3.5 tt hybrid and pull a 2017 grand design image 2800bh. On paper, my truck can pull 12,700 pounds. In real life, that would be dangerous. I have a rule of thumb of giving myself 4-5k pound leeway for safety. Especially going in the mountains.
Sold my Ram Cummins to buy a Godzilla and have been more than happy with it, tows my 9k trailer great here in the Rockies of Colorado, less headaches and less to worry about with the emissions plus the faster warm ups are nice on these cold days. Now if I was towing a lot more often and or more weight the diesel would make sense, but for me and what I do this Godzilla is the best bang for the buck in my opinion. Would really like to see a similar comparison with two identical trucks, both tremors or xlt or what ever same gears tires and only difference being the engine. My 2020 is very similar to that tremor, 3.55 gears, 35 inch tires, no chin spoiler, but a gas and I can only wish for that 16mpg Andre got lol
Okay but you have to look at percent of GCWR for the power train. So for instance on the 7.3 it's right around 26,000 lb is the highest rating. On the 6.7 it's like 43,500 lbs. If you run them both at 80% you'll find that the diesel actually gets a little bit worse fuel economy.
Great stereotypical supervisor’s work truck afternoon, driving a bigger than necessary truck, no tool box in the bed, no trailer getting towed, no passengers, driving for a couple of hours getting nothing done.
I live in a small town with nothing going on and I see a half dozen 2022 f250 been used by the city to haul a husqvarna and a leaf blower around all day . Something a side by side could do.
😂 I am a manager in forestry. Everyone laughed when I bought a Ford Maverick AWD. No one is laughing now after 2 years where I’m getting 28mpg and will go most any place the $60,000 trucks will go. If it gets bad I walk and save the repair bills. I spend 1/2 as much up front, half as much on gas, and drive a Lariat trim with heated seats, co-pilot360, etc. I’ll most likely stick with it, the compensation we get only goes so far and replacing a 60-70k truck every 4 years is not sustainable…
@@cle_roknn3742 That’s awesome and a perfect example of buying what will get most jobs done, instead of what so many people, governments and businesses do, over-buying for what might be needed at some point in the future. I don’t have a dog in this fight, as I drive a diesel SUV, which I bought for the 400 mile commute I was doing at one point going into the far north where I had to deal with lots of snow in the winter and unpaved roads. I had colleagues driving full sized pickups getting 12-15mpg, while I got and still get 30-32mpg on the highway. Sure, I had to rent trailers a couple of times when I couldn’t fit something in the back of the SUV, but that was easier than buying something bigger for and paying far more for the couple of times I could have used a pickup truck.
Paying $100k for a new truck is absolutely ridiculous. I bought my 2015 F250 in 2019 for $36k and I’ve done so much work to it already that I will never sell or trade it in. I can spend as much as I paid for my truck on mods and be way happier than buying one of these new trucks just for the sake of having a new truck. Diesel trucks will last forever if modified, taken care of and most importantly not driven like a 17 year old high school kid taking his parent’s truck out for a drive.
One thing to consider in addition to this is the depreciation. The diesel is almost worth the price alone for resale value. The depreciation on a full size gas truck is insane and the diesels hardly depreciate.
Truth I had a 21 f350 that I ran to 100k and sold it for ~10k less than what I paid for it? Did the same for a 22 450 that ran to 30k that I didn't care for and lost around 6-7k
depends where you live and what fuel prices are. If the 7.3 is getting 16 and you're getting 22mpg then in most northern states you're still losing. diesel here is 25% more per gallon which means you need to get 25% better economy just to break even on the fuel differential, So with those numbers you're 2 MPG ahead of that differential. So now you have to add in the additional def costs and maintenance costs against that measly 2 MPG gain. Chances are you're breaking even or losing still. Even if none of that cost you anything @ current prices where I live of 4.65 a gallon each mile @ 22 MPG costs you 21 cents, so for every gallon of diesel you would gain 42 cents towards the 10K additional cost back. 4,200 gallons of diesel later you would have broken even after driving 92,400 miles and that's without the cost of def, additional maintenance or repair costs associated to the diesel exclusively. Ive owned two heavy duty diesels but math don't lie and the truth is most people who buy diesels to drive then around and do nothing with them in respect to their capability do nothing but lose massive amounts of money with them.
Also you going to get 15-20% worse fuel economy in the winter due to winter blend diesel unless you use a fuel additive to gain that back, either way you're losing money or losing efficiency. The only people who truly stand to win owning a diesel are people who haul every day for 100's of thousands of miles or people that live somewhere that diesel is cheaper than gas and can avoid winter blend fuel.
Live in Los Angeles so the cold weather isn’t an issue. I need the truck to pull my travel trailer when I go camping however as a daily driver it doesn’t make sense to use it around the city. Plus I’ve been putting too many miles on it which is going to cost me in the long run. So I just bought a Tesla for a second car.
I have watched both videos about these trucks, been very interesting. If possible to make happen it would be a good comparison to see this with a GM product and a Ram too.
The price difference between the optioned motor is increasing as well as the price difference between fuel. I remember when it was only 20-50c difference and now i normally see 1-1.50 difference. You have to get so much better mpg just to break even on fuel cost.
Diesel fluctuates more in price than gas. Keep that in mind. In my calculations, owning both diesel and gas HD trucks, diesel is only about 10% more expensive on a yearly average. In reality, there other costs you must consider, well beyond just fuel.
@@elijahcavin2408 What makes you say that? I have diesels and gas trucks in my fleet, and the diesels with exhaust brakes are actually cheaper to maintain. The diesels require EGR and DEF servicing and few other diesel specific services, but brake pads tend to last longer due to exhaust brakes, there are no tune ups, and diesel engine oil in bulk or at business pricing is actually cheaper than regular gas engine oil.
@@AkioWasRight Oil changes cost more, fuel filters need replaced more often, emissions will mess up at some point whether it's when you own it or not. Replace a turbo or injectors. Once it's out of warranty it will need replaced or fixed either way very expensive. I have a diesel, love them but I probably won't be buying a new one personally. I have a small diesel I'm having to fix now, much more complicated than my pre emissions truck. If I had to pay for everything to be serviced or fixed it definitely wouldn't be worth it.
@@elijahcavin2408 That's just ignoring most of what I said. And the points you're making are just entirely dependant on the individual case. I'm not a leisure owner, I put hundreds of thousands of miles on trucks for work, and I have every cost detail for the past 10 years. Just in brakes alone, the saving is the tens of thousands per turck. It has been much, much cheaper to operate diesels.
9:51 That is a very underrated comment. That’s what scares me the most about modern diesels is the repair costs once the warranty runs out. DEF system, fuel injection system, etc….. those are not cheap compared to maintaining a gas motor off warranty.
Yeah exactly. For a price of a set of injectors alone on the diesel you could buy a gas long block and have it installed.... For the cost of the DPF you could buy two gas long blocks.
Thats why before warranty runs out you trade that bad boy in . Uncle been doing that truck since 2010 and always gets more money back for it that he can put a down payment on a new one and keep the cycle going and keep payments and warranty going 😂
Unless it’s for warranty, do it yourself and save hella money. Before I moved into my house I had no choice but to take it to the dealership who charged me damn near $200 for fuel filters and an oil change. Now that I do it myself it’s about $90 and an hour of my time. Aaaand the dealership, at least mine, doesn’t pre fill the oil filters.
@@d.williams6891The oil alone for the 2006 Duramax is $120 plus the filter...... It has the same oil change time as my gasoline big block but that took $46 in oil.
I switched to a 2020 7.3 and haven't looked back. I occasionally haul 16k trailer and 17k boat on weekends and truck does everything just fine. Way less maintenance and at 70k on the odometer been trouble free with the exception of a battery. I will be ordering a 2025 F350 with a 7.3.
My ‘22 7.3 F250 Lariat UP Tremor with winch and camper shell avg. 12.4 mpg in the metro city, and my sporty foot. I haven’t towed anything with it, but haul steel plates and other range gear all the time. Very spacious and the lighter front end is nice off road. It’s seemingly quick and nimble for such a large truck.
I don’t know how you simulate this consistently, but it’d be nice to see a combined city-highway loop comparing similar vehicles. What happens to fuel economy of each engine when you’re doing stop-and-go?
Not just fuel but oil changes take significant amount more + fuel filters on top of the 13k premium upfront. I really wish they would do a 7.3l powerboost kind of option like the F150 has that would be amazing in a HD truck with pro power on board and ability to get 20+ mpg when unloaded.
@@danielwilliams4473That's less than the cost of the oil itself I don't believe that. Rotella t6 2.5 is $80 plus $17 for the oil filter. Don't forget to change your $80 fuel filter at every oil change to protect your $8,000 fuel system. For the gas truck here you can get the oil change special for $40 for full synthetic.
Any (especially newer diesels) benefit tremendously from an AddBlue/DEF deactivation and a remap. Bonus points if you have access to GTL fuel, that stuff is magic. But that's a whole different story.
The other thing that they didn't add was DEF expense. I will show my age, but in the old days, diesel made sense because of the difference in mileage and the difference in lifespan of the engine. Now with DEF and all the emissions crap, diesel being higher than gas and maintenance costs, its hard to justify diesel unless you are heavy towing very regularly. I also googled life expectancy of both engines. The answer was over 200k for the 6.7 and over 300k for the 7.3. So cheaper to drive, lower maintenance and equal to great lifespan of the engine makes it kind of a no brainer if unless you really tow heavy and often.
Love the sound and grunt of a diesel. I didn't need the 6.4 in my Challenger, but it sure is fun. Life can all be about common sense, if you want a diesel buy one before you cant.
You only did a short loop, so DEF fluid was not included, so that adds even more to fuel cost. You can buy a lot of gas for $12,500 - say $3 average per gallon - 4,000 gallons x 16 mpg = 64,000 miles worth of driving. Factor in the extra cost of Diesel fuel and DEF, would add a lot more miles before the extra cost paid for itself.
Unless you are towing 20k lbs, you use about 2 gal of def every 5-7k miles. Its not that big a deal cost wise. It is however a pain to have to do in the 1st place. My 6.7 avg around 14.5mpg loaded how i use it for work.
@@FlyingAceAV8B yep this is too often overlooked. Have a co-worker who just spent 2400 bucks getting 2 sensors replaced and the truck doesn't even have 100k miles on it yet. 2400 for sensors!!
Well, the one thing we should point out is that this circuit was 90%+ highway. For those people driving more city/hilly areas the diesel likely would have outperformed the gas to an even greater extent. Unloaded highway difference is always the closest between diesel and gas... And of course, if you're towing alot, diesel is a no brainer. Unloaded highway for most usage it's a no brainer - go with the 7.3
If the gas truck had filled up with 87 octane like normal and the required minimum octane by Ford it would have cost a little more than the diesel even with the cheaper price.
If you put an empty box in the back of a gas truck drops fuel mileage by 50%... if your 250/2500 is more than a fashion statement get the diesel and hold on to it for 20 yrs.
Not sure i agree with folks claiming diesels are so expensive. Having owned a couple, I can honestly tell you that the initial cost difference was addressed when I sold the vehicles as they brought thousands more than my used gas trucks, and they sold much faster. Second, the fuel costs went up and down on diesel, so as long as i was able to get about 4 mpgs better on the diesel, the fuel cost difference was negligible. I had no more problems with the diesel than the gas, so maintenance wise, the ONLY difference was the price of oil changes and filters. I dont disagree with all your comments, but the broader statements of much higher expenses with diesel versus gas trucks were not outcomes on the Excel spreadsheets on which i tracked the total cost of ownership. The problem with the internet is that folks repeat what they hear. For reference my diesel trucks included older Ford 7.3, a newer Cummins in a ram duelly and a 3.0 Duramax in a GM half ton. Thanks and Happy Holidays and pray for peace.
i have a 24 6.7 with 3.31 gear i get 20 mpg around town, and i live in the mnts of western ma . this is my 3rd 6.7 . it pulls like a beast,well worth the money. its a lariat crew.
I’ve been looking at upgrading my 7.3 gas with the 4.30 rear to a 6.7. Almost all the trucks I see have a 3.31. Any complaints with it? I was looking for a 3.55 but there really isn’t much difference
Diesel all day if you're towing often and heavy. You'll spend more money buying it but also the resale on diesel is much higher. A lot of people seem to forget this fact
And you’re forgetting the associated downtime with running diesel trucks because of the DEF systems. Not to mention there inherently more expensive maintenance costs. There’s a Super Duty for just about every one. But diesel is not the end. I’ll be all. There is a reason why they sell a ton of 7.3L powered trucks. But yes if you tow heavy weight often, then it’s a no brainer.
My 2013 sierra half ton with the 5.3L AFM only gets about 17mpg highway and 13mpg city, which for me averages around 14.5mpg. Honestly not much different lol
Diesels are cool and very good for lots of towing or regular long highway driving, but for my use case I don't think I can justify the added upfront and maintenance costs. If I were to get a heavy duty pickup of any make right now I would definitely lean towards that Ford with the 7.3.
I recently traded a 2018 Raptor for a 2023 F350 FX4 Lariat Ultimate with the 7.3 gasser and 4.30s because I needed a bit more towing capacity and a lot more payload than my Raptor allowed, and my Raptor was still holding a pretty good resale value. I opted against the diesel for all the reasons typically mentioned. I saved 12k up front. I’m currently only towing about 8500lbs, with about a ton of payload. That could go up to 12k soon but definitely no higher than 14 (truck is rated for 18.2) I am very happy with this engine. It pulls strong, the 4.30 rear end minimizes excessive downshifts. At sea level it feels about the same as far as raw piling power as the 3.5EB. At elevation the 3.5EB probably has a slight advantage. But I know the 7.3 can handle that load all day every day without issue. Not so sure the EB would be happy being under that much boost for hundreds of miles at a time. Unladen MPG was better on my Raptor. Towing MPG better on the 7.3. I do wish it had a larger tank though. Not sure why it only has a 34g tank while my Raptor had a 36. I would think there’s room for at least 40+ especially since the truck is at least a foot longer.
@@AK_Ray i know. Don’t want a long bed though. Just wondering why they didn’t make use of the added length on the short bed compared to the 5.5 footer on a F150
I have a 2022 F-250 with the 7.3 and 4.30 rear, long bed crew cab. Pulls 15,000 lbs in the flat lands just fine. But, empty with no trailer on I only get about 14.5 MPG on highway run. That's ok, it was bought to work and it does that fine. 48 gallon tank lets me pick my fueling spot and I save money that way.
But you never bring up anything the resale value the higher upfront cost will also result in a higher value at time of trade. And it’s usually close to the upfront cost difference
I mean as it should be the vehicle's more expensive. But I don't normally see that. I'm not seeing trade-in values for a 4-year-old truck where the diesel's commanding $15,000 more at trade-in. You also have to consider that you're per mile cost is substantially higher on the diesel because of The double cost to the oil change (despite having to be changed just as frequently), The DEF, and the fuel filters.
Now factor in that while towing the diesel loses a higher % of MPG than gas. Add in that diesel costs more per gallon than gas in most of the country. Add in that diesel has fuel filters that must be changed every other oil change. And toss in DEF fluid which has gone up in cost also. GAS WINS.
An HD diesel loses a more fuel economy than a gasser does when towing? I haven’t heard that at all, in fact I’ve seen diesel do much better than a gasser would when loaded down.
I want Ford to give an option f250 crew cab short bed 5' on the shorter wheelbase. F150 is too soft, and I want to mount a truck camper but have the same shorter turning radius as the extended cab 6ft model
We use getgo gift cards for Home Depot, bought all new appliances, discount at the pump for 29 gallons three times…$00.00 per gallon! Getgo is changing their discount in 2024😂
@@phantom0456 Yep. Expect the 6.8l to get little to no difference in mpg difference than the 7.3l. The older 5.4l and 6.8l trucks on a good day empty on the highway you could see .5mpg more mpg with the 5.4l. The 6.8l makes no sense, it is no cheaper to make than the 7.3l. Ford just wants to screw the customer out of over $2k to upgrade to the 7.3l.
That does add up pretty quick. If you plan to keep the truck for a really long time it’s best to get rid of the components and not have to deal with regens and def anymore.
I've always been a huge fan of diesel but that started to change when they screwed around with the fuel back in 2006. The extra fuel refinement along with the increased emission equipment on the trucks took the huge advantage diesels had down to the small (or arguably NO) advantage they have today. If you're not towing a 15 to 20 thousand pound load around for at least 1/2 of the mileage you're putting on it, you're wasting your money even before factoring in the difference in fuel cost (or the insane engine upcharge) for the diesel). Then there's the higher maintenance and repair costs (and DEF) ... yeah, the Godzilla is looking more and more like the better choice these days. PS - you guys should NOT be putting 85 in there and don't give me that high altitude story, that no longer applies since it was a carburator thing.
In this application a diesel may not be necessary for the average buyer that primarily commutes however in the GM half ton segment getting a 3.0 diesel over the 5.3 or 6.2 makes more sense
@@k_c1429 I think it's because the 3.0 gets substantially better fuel economy versus the 5.3 or 6.2. So even if diesel is more expensive, it's really still saving a bit of money to run the 3.0.
The wet belt for the oil pump will cost $2,500 dollars to replace on the 3.0 diesel. With the extra cost of diesel being more than a dollar a gallon plus having to buy DEF and more expensive oil changes the diesel doesn't make any sense.
A 2023 F350 4x4 single rear wheel with the 7.3L V8 and 4.30 rear end can still tow like 19,500 lbs, according to Ford. Over 21k lbs via the fifth wheel/gooseneck. If it's not a dedicated tow rig where you're towing heavy nearly every time you're in it, the V8 is 100% the way to go. Unless you just hate money or absolutely _need_ the extra range, there's not really a reason to go diesel. But diesel bros are crazy. They'll tell you they absolutely need their diesel to go to the grocery store or get a handful of 2x4s every once in a while.
If you’re going to use 85 octane you really should use some kind of extra additive to improve compression or get a more complete burn; premium does reduce wear significantly
If you haul heavy and go a lot of miles and pull heavy loads long distances the diesel is the way to go but if you drive your truck just to run around town and pull a camper once a month the gas is better. The ranchers out west on huge ranches and haul a cattle trailer to the sale barn they love their diesels and they have good luck with their emissions becaus they drive 500 to a thousand miles per run these new diesels have no problems with their DPF system and the hot shotters have very little problems with their DPF.
Great video. Everyone is all excited about 1200 lb ft of torque. Folks due to drive train components and duty cycle, you dont get it in all gears or all the time. thats why loaded these trucks are fairly close.
So if you amortization the 12500 that comes out to roughly 240 more per month. Also that def fluid and more expensive maintenance . Only advantage is raw towing power. Also I sincerely doubt the diesel will grossly outlast the gas. I did notice that the gas bill was less at the pump , there you go.
There is no question towing/hauling with a diesel is a more relaxed experience but you pay a premium all the way around. New gas trucks make way more power and tq than coveted diesels like the 5.9 and 7.3. Anything over 10-12k lbs I would probably get a new diesel. Under than gas all the way.
I would get the diesel for the power and torque regardless of how I use it. JUst like people get a V8 muscle car over the V6 or a V8/V6 turbo half ton over the base N/A V6.
If TFL at the end of the next new gas vs new diesel comparison do the math to see how many miles it would take to recoup that $12k, I think that would be pretty good.
Ignoring all the extra diesel related costs you are saving $200 per 10k miles (diesel $1727 vs gas $1923) with the 3mpg savings countered by 90 cents fuel cost. So 600k miles = it will never happen.
The diesel doesn't start to save money unloaded until somewhere past the 1 million mile mark because of the increase maintenance costs on fuel savings alone (which isn't really how that works) It's 600,000 mi....
I've owned a 2006 Ford F250 Diesel 6.0L and use it for towing in my business. Towing capacity is 12500lbs. I've made hundreds of trips towing lengthy & heavy travel trailers. I may be in the market for a newer F250. My current MPG is around 12 MPG not towing and around 8 MPG towing. It's been disappointing on the fuel front, especially when diesel reached $6/gallon in the Midwest. Sometimes when fuel prices are being volatile, diesel price per gallon can be less expensive, but eventually it will catch up and surpass regular fuel by a $1 or so per. One thing that is not mentioned is that the diesel engine most likely will last much longer than a gasoline engine, and retention of resale value on diesels is better. Would have been nice to do this test on towing the same trailer weight, maybe a travel trailer where you get some drag that will test handling.
In 1992 and 2005 there were no extra charge for a diesel engine and my 92 3/4 ton 4x4 5 speed manual was $ 19500 and the 05 4door long bed dullay long bed and a Larmie 6 speed manual and manual 4x4 selector was $ 36000 and I think the Big 3 are taking advantage of us buy charging us for anything they can !
My def usage is working out to be $.008/mile, not nothing but not a huge factor…you are correct on expensive oil changes…fuel filters are also a factor…not crazy though
So, the bottom line is that if you constantly drive the Ike Gauntlet every day, the diesel makes sense over the gas engine? I’m imagining that millions of people have that job of driving the Ike Gauntlet every day for 12 hours a day, back and forth, back and forth….
I've got a 2022 7.3 F350 and the big question, as alluded in other comments, is depreciation. That's a bit of a research project, but I think TFLT should look into it. I would prefer to see a 5 year, but the 7.3 has been out long enough to do a 3 year look.
I live in the Pacific Northwest, and let me tell you, if you tow 10K+lbs over the mountains, you'll want a diesel. I have a 2017 6.2L F-350 Flex Fuel that I absolutely love, but the 6.7 blows it out of the water when towing. If I lived in the Midwestern flatlands, my gasser would be fine, but it only does 45mph at 5,500RPM on inclines. That's extremely annoying, for me anyway.
So not even factoring in DEF fluid, higher price of the diesel truck, and higher maintenance costs, because of cheaper gas prices, the gasser costs less in fuel per mile, but some how they said the Diesel was the better choice if you drove it daily? Makes no sense. If I drive something daily, I want the more affordable fuel consumption option. And with these new diesels, you are forced to drive them daily because the DEF will go bad otherwise. And you can’t idle them for long periods either. So no lunch breaks in your truck. No filling out paperwork or taking a phone call. All that idling will destroy a new diesel. Nope. Gas for me. No other option.
So I tow/haul almost every day for work but it's with a 1700 lb enclosed trailer that never has more than 2000 lbs loaded. Would you suggest the gas or diesel f250?
You guys need to figure you fuel cost per mile driven. Looks like the gas is about 2¢ cheaper per mile. That’s not including the cost of DEF. Then add in the cost of diesel vs gas oil change. Gas vehicle is cheaper to buy and operate over the long haul. Diesel, like you said, makes more sense if you’re frequently hauling heavy loads.
