well, he's very true. LGBT+ people exist since ancient times. Even the term "lesbian" comes from an island of Lesbos, where ancient greek lesbian poet, Sappho, lived.
@Agent Of Chaos 666 Weren't a lot of those accusations/rumors from when Gaius Julius was young? He was known for being a bit of a party-boy in his younger days, IIRC…
Ancient Greeks and Romans... Yes, very different sex and gender norms. But all types of human love have been here as long as humans have. You know, since we're not carving modern culture in stone and pottery, how will anyone know what life was like for us hundreds or thousands of years from now? Somehow I doubt they'll be able to pull up the internet. What will people piece together about us? Layers and layers of garbage and plastic and rust, probably.
The "You aren't lesbians because there's no sexual desire between you" really shows how deeply rooted the sexualizing and fetishizing of gay/lesbian relationships is.
And also why does he assume gay people are going to be displaying their desire for eachother on a RU-vid channel? Straight people don't usually do that with their partners. He's probably used to only seeing lesbians in porn and not as actual real life couples who aren't purposefully being overly sexual towards eachother.
@@sleepless-o3j I find it really sad. A RU-vidr that I liked made a video about her asexuality and there were men in comments telling her how she will never be able to have a relationship. For some weird reason, people can understand that sex can exists without love but not the opposite. Sometimes people ask "But if you're not having sex, it's boring. What are you doing ?" I think it's good for non asexual people to think about the importance of sex in their romantic relationships too. I find it a bit weird to break up with someone just because of that when every other aspects of the relationship is perfect.
@@sleepless-o3j i ace, heteroromantic as far as i know. I am sex indiferent so i have been sexually active but i just don't feel ok with engaging that often and i when i really really are not up to it i feel borderline repulsed. Like there are days any sexual thing makes my skin crawl. The day i realized i had to broke up with my ex was when i entered his house one weekend, and told him that i was super time and was not going to be ok with sex and to not even try to go there, to just enjoy a relaxing afternoon watching some movies and cuddling. His literal reaction was " i can't promise that, i will stop if you tell me to, but you have to understand that i have to try because you are just too hot"....wtf? Too hot for what? Respecting my fucking feelings and boundaries?
some historical gay erasure: In ancient Greek mythology, Achilles and Patroclus (who some people don't even know was a part of the story which is a crime) were NOT cousins like Troy wants you to believe, or besties like all the history teachers say. They were lovers, and the Rage of Achilles was all because of Patroclus' death. Achilles literally asked for their ashes to be mixed in the same urn so they could be together for eternity, and they were buried side by side. In his mourning speech for Patroclus, Achilles spoke of his 'unblemished thighs' and the kisses they would share together, and referred to him as his most 'beloved'. like there is legitimately NO straight explanation for that.
@@hi-vt2wt ask the newer religious come after Greek and Roman I mean, this is something quite specific, but Hawaiian culture have the 2 spirit gender who're not considered man or woman, and they've always been an irreplaceable part of their culture. Then American bring Christianity and the "glory of God" in and force them to erase that. They literally got erased by Force for religious reasons
Hey I'm not sure if I'm getting your comment wrong but Achilles's story is not historical - it's mythical. His story comes from oral lyric mythologic tradition and was written down around the 7th or 8th century BC (there was a lot that was added after this of course) ! And yeah, Greeks were so patriarchal they went as far as preferring (male) homosexuality to heterosexuality, because a man, as a superior, more intelligent and spiritual being, was considered a better partner. Obviously they still married to have children, but it was a very accepted point of view. So, gayness is really different in ancient Greek society, it's quite incorrect to romanticize it with our modern eyes ! Sorry if I took misunderstood something or was obnoxious, I'm just a future anthropologist trying to spread some cool facts lol
@@MlleSallyBrown hey :) and yeah I meant mythical, I just put historical because of how long it’s been around, and for the homophobes who like the excuse of it being a new thing to be lgbt and all
My mom and I both came out to each other at the same time. I told her I have something to tell her and she said I have something to tell you too. I go “mom I think I’m pansexual.” And she celebrates before looking me in the eyes and saying “thank god. I’m bisexual.” And we celebrated together. I love my mom :)
Fun fact about some of the letters she wrote to Susan, I thought I'd add. I forget why but someone actually erased Susan's name out of them, so it wasn't until recently that we were able use technology to see that it was addressed to Susan.
6:05 Does anyone else know that there's a webseries named Dickinson that is about the same Emily Dickinson played by Hailey Steinfeld? No one? Just me? Okay.
@@anushareddy2122 You mean the show that has two seasons on Apple, with a third on its way, and has won the Peabody Award? No, I don't believe other people know about it.
I once wrote about a man who fell in love with a merman and my writing teacher said "it would be better if the merman was a meremaid". After that I left the class forever 🙃
I wrote a short story for my english class, and it was about two guys who went into this haunted tower and fell in love (very gay), and my English teacher said ‘I love the developed friendship between the two. It even hints at more’. Listen, I like you as a teacher, but they are very much in love thank you very much
The Incredibles took place in the 1960s so I wouldn’t be surprised if the animators were trolling/commenting on ‘60s-era erasure more so than actually participating in erasure themselves.
@@lialeeCO Yeah, I didn’t know until the second one came out. It was more obvious in that one and there were a number of articles about it at the time, too.
@@ollieno971 I think that’s why a lot of people don’t know it’s in the ‘60s: there’s a lot of advanced tech, but it’s all from Edna Mode or made by the villains. None of the non-central characters have cellphones, GPS, etc. The cars, clothes and houses are all very late ‘50s/early ‘60s and there are 1960s TV shows shown on TVs in the background as well as one scene where Mr. Incredible is reading a newspaper and the date is May 16, 1962.
I'm a teacher (English for Foreign Learners) and I do the contrary. Everytime a book says "he/she", I read it as "they". My students are picking up the habit, too. :)
Well, they are literally kissing. On the lips. I can kinda understand people assuming friends/sisters when they see women hug, or hold hands, even a kiss on the cheek. But making out? That's gay af
It's awful that I can't tell my extended family about my girl. Whenever I try to talk about LGBTQ+ topics with them they shut me off saying it's all BS. My Dad says he won't come to my wedding if I marry a girl. The only reason I feel valid is because of my mom who supports me and tells me that it's natural and not wrong.
Your mom is a wonderful person, and you should ignore the rest of your family. I have had similar problems, and I know that you can teach them to open their minds.
Can I be your internet dad? I don’t gotta walk you down the aisle if you don’t want me to, but I think I’d be a better dad than the one you have right now. Edit: oh my hell i just realized this video and this comment are two years old 🙃
my sociology teacher has lately been quite inclusive of trans people. He has always been inclusive of gay/bi people. But still, it's progress. He even talked about the possible exclusion of trans people in the gay community and honestly it was just lovely to hear he actually thinks about this stuff
Reporter: “You’re not qualified to speak about the LGBT+ community because you’re bisexual and that’s not part of it.” Person: “Then what does the B stand for?” Reporter: (Not wanting to admit) “Uh...Birds?”
Trans/Enby/Cis and every letter in LGBTQ+ ; * You are valid! 💙 * You are loved! 💜 * You are not alone! 💗 * I am proud of you! 💙 💜 Sending Mom-Hugs to everyone who need one! 💗
Yessss and platonic relationships between people who have the potential to like eachother. Like straight men and women and gay people with the same gender and bi people with everybody etc etc.
Idk why, but “they got really mixed up with their rainbows” is now one of my favorite sentences. I’m going to use it to describe confused homophobes from now on
There's definitely some things I see in history where it's someone who never took a partner and lived alone and a lot of people jump to say they were probably a part the LGBT community, but ace/aro is never the option brought to the table. There were probably a ton of ace/aro people in history that we don't know about either. It's comforting to think that they might have found some solace on their own back then.
Yes! And aro/ace suffer even worse erasure because they are some of the rarest sexualities and a lot of people don't even believe they exist :/ (edit: even autocorrect changed 'aro' to 'are'. Twice.)
@@Cherrycreamsoda1 I don't love to play the "who has it worse" game, but with our small numbers, ace/aro rep is already pretty low, and that means we have like, 0 media rep as well ☹
@@ThatBlondePerson zero rep that isn’t in villains. I’m not ace/aro but whenever I see the whole “THIS PERSON IS BAD AND CANT FEEL LOVE AND IS BAD” I cringe myself into another dimension. Can’t imagine what it’s like for y’all
It’s always nice to see Jess and Claud they are so cute and obviously in love in their videos that they are true relationship goals territory. Everyone should be so lucky as to have a relationship like theirs.
It’s been confirmed by historians and scholars that homosexual relations were normalized and encouraged in Ancient Greece. The only reason it’s considered wrong today is because of the Catholic Church’s rise to power.
I mean. achilles and patroclus. Sappho. allegedly artemis and callisto. apollo and hyacinthus, dionysus and prosymnus, zeus and Ganymede, poseidon and tantalus' kid (forgot his name). . .
Actually they weren’t. Do some history research, or I can tell you here. A lot of gay “relationships” in Greece and Rome were between bedslaves and/or prepubescent boys and grown men. Mostly because a young boy could be turned into a eunuch and also couldn’t be impregnated to produce a bastard child, whereas a young girl might. In Greece and Rome, the “bottoms” were not considered real men. They were often put down and not respected. The “tops” were considered real men and respected though. The idea being that a more submissive party is in the “woman’s position” so they should be treated as a woman. Most stories about homosexuality from that time ends in complete tragedy. Does this mean there were no good relationships? No. But this also means the community should stop upholding Rome and Greece as if it were a good place for gay people, because it was not.
@@Feasael How though? The community needs to stop upholding ancient Greece and Rome as pinnacles of gay “acceptance” because that just isn’t what it is, why would we believe in a lie? Why would we want to perpetuate the idea that the horrible things that happened in that time in history are okay?
Jamie, I just want to say that you were one of the most useful trans resources on RU-vid when I started transitioning. My sibling recently started watching you. I feel they're finally ready to start accepting themself as trans nonbinary. So, thank you for your channel's positive and inclusive atmosphere. I hope you had a nice day. :D
Congrats! I always love to see people accepting who they are and finding happiness in themselves and people like them! I may be cis but as an asexual homoromantic girl, I understand that finding that one person you can see yourself in is more Important than anything else. I haven't found that person for me yet but I'm still searching! If I can't find them then I'll become them for others like me... just not anytime soon (still closeted and a bit shy, even in my GSA I'm the only ace and they didn't even know what ace was)
Okay but that "Kate is a strange name for a guy" comment reminded me of the time I was watching LotR with my parents and my dad has the habit of pausing the movie constantly to ask questions, and halfway through the movie my dad paused it to ask "who are these two guys again?" and I said "Merry and Pippin" and My dad gasped out in the most scandalized tone "MARY! That GUY's name is MARY?!" I explained to him that it was short for Meriadoc, but ever since then I headcanoned Merry as being genderfluid.
I agree! Sometimes I try to understand it as opposed to being “lovers AND friends” because people in romantic and/or sexual (or queer-platonic) relationships should also be friends with each other, I think? I don’t really get relationships, tbh^^. But I often heard people saying their best friends are at least as important as their “significant others”. Kind regards, another aro-ace
@@fae91 That's fantastic news haha, I need to watch their videos again. It's not a channel that deserves to be put to the wayside even with a busy schedule
When many people see women kiss they think either: - they're good friends - they're just looking for attention - they're gay when they see men kiss: - they're gay
Fun Fact: my favorite character from Dragonball Z, Piccolo, is like weirdly responsible for me accepting that I don't have to have bottom surgery (which I absolutely do not want) to still be a proper trans man. I was like "well everyone jokes that he doesn't have a donger and he's still a big manly badass that no one misgenders, so I'm good"
Catch me and my gf wearing the best friends rainbow necklaces out on a date. If anyone asks if we're a couple, I'll just say we're just gals being pals
I would get them for me (pan) and my best friend (lesbian). Don't let anyone tell you you can't be friends with someone you have the potential to be attracted to. If that were true, bisexual people would never be able to have platonic friendships. (Not that it wouldn't be cute for a relationship too)
The opposite thing often happens where friends of different genders are assumed to have a romantic and/or sexual relationship. Fictional example: Family: Where are you going? Dude: Im having lunch with my friend Alice Family: Ohh... your "friend" 😏 Of course it's not as bad as erasure but it probably comes from the same prejudices
me: * comes home from my all girls school * Aunt: so nice to see you are you dating anyone? me: yes aunt: oh so good your getting out , where did you meet them? me: at school aunt: I thought it was an all girls school me: yes. aunt: 👁👄👁 me: 👩🏻🤝👩🏽
I actually got matching rainbow bracelets with a friend of mine when we were like 11, flashfoward 10 years and i came out as bi and she came out as gay and one drunken night of truth or dare we found out we both had crushes on each other when we were younger
Yeah but this was about gals being pals and denying the fact that women could never love each other or have sexual relationships, for years people thought it was impossible, that there had to be a man involved to make it sexual.
Judging other people's sexual energy by seeing them kiss is very difficult. My husband and I are a cis-hetero couple but we're both very awkward in front of a camera and not much into public displays of affection. Our public kisses certainly aren't loaded with sexual desire for everyone to see. I also know a gay couple who have been living together for about 10 years and have been married for three, and I have never ever seen them kiss or even hold hands. An arm around the shoulder is the most physical public display of affection I've seen from them, and that was at a birthday party among very good friends. But you can still tell they care deeply about each other. They don't need to validate their love by kissing in front of others.
The whole “you’re just bringing a friend” made me very sad. I’m straight but I would never ever degrade my significant other by referring to them as just a friend when they mean so much more to me. Least of all to please a raging homophobe.
Can I just say that there is no need for sexual desire to be in a romantic relationship? Ace people exist. And their relationships are valid! Saying that people aren't a couple because of the lack of "sexual desire" is so wrong on so many levels!
For someone like me of a certain age, this video had a lot of hilarious double meaning because Erasure is a UK band from the 80's that stands the test of time as iconically gay. Gay Erasure the band = good. Gay erasure the social phenomenon = bad. The number of times Jammi said Erasure in the first minute had my head spinning lol
Before I get lost in the sea of comments, I hope you're having a nice day,, Stay hydrated and make sure to get some sleep,, you are awesome and valid ^-^
The one about Jesse and Claudia cracked me up. I followed them before you or Shaaba, and I found you through them. But what made it funnier is that there was no real doubt about that being Jessica, not between the ribbon and the hair.
ugh after my mom forced me out of the closet, my gf and i had to pretend we were just friends in front of my family but they "love me no matter what" 🙄🙄
Me to my older brother: I'm pansexual My older brother: that's not a word Me: Yes it is My older brother: no it isn't Me: Copies google link sends in text My older brother: It must be a made up word Me: ...
Honestly there's not much difference. It's just "I'm attracted to more than one gender" vs "I'm attracted to all genders". That's not to say people who say they're bi only like two genders just because 'bi' means two & sometimes it's basically down to 'I like this term better' *shrugs*
@@UmongusSussehFrusseh verilybitchie's video on Bisexual v Pansexual was the best explanation of the difference I've found, and explained a lot of things that confused me about both terms. The short of it is that "bisexual" is a term used as part of the LGBT umbrella that fought for the rights of those who had oppressed gender and sexuality expression. It represents liking two or more genders of any combination. Then a new system was made and popularized on the internet, called MOGAI, which created more specific identities to differentiate different gender, romantic and sexual experiences that would otherwise be lumped together under LGBTQ+. "Pansexual" was used to mean "attracted to people regardless of sex or gender identity". Some took this to mean that pansexuals are gender-blind whereas bisexuals can have different preferences depending on gender. Others use the two terms interchangeably. Ultimately "bisexual" is a broader term that has more history, and "pansexual" is a more specific term, but in the end it's up to the individual to choose which term they identify with the most.
Yep. In reality, _all_ words are "made up" … to describe concepts? Tell your older bro that just because he doesn't know the definition of a word doesn't mean it's not real. Tell him I said, "Learn to use a dictionary, ya fool!"
@@UmongusSussehFrusseh I use the term “bisexual” (or sometimes “biromantic”) mostly to make it very clear that I’m not romantically attracted to ALL genders: just some. To the point where I actually guessed that someone I knew was agender because I wasn’t attracted to them even though they were my type. Obviously though: sexuality is more complicated than that. If you asked me “would you have sex with a person of any gender?” The answer would be yes. I just need to have a close relationship with that person, idgaf about their gender if it’s just sex. But to indicate that I’m NOT interested in hookups, I generally call myself demisexual or gray-ace rather than pansexual.
I just had a moment of BOOM: When I was a kid my grandma had two female friends who lived together since their 40s after one got divorced (other one never married). And I just also just remembered how my grandma would sometimes make inuindos that only just now during this video make sense to me. I have to call my mom and ask.
I feel like this subreddit is so good because it's normally not malicious, it's just straight people forgetting that people can be gay which is fair because I often forget people can be straight
had a sapphoandherfriend moment today. a guy asked me and my girlfriend if we were sisters (we look nothing alike), then cousins, then step-sisters, and then old friends. Never even came close to girlfriends. we'd been holding hands the whole time.
I wonder if the Tear and Share necklace used the gay pride rainbow on purpose and it's supposed to help gay kids who like each other express affection for one another without their parents knowing for sure that they're gay because it says "friend"
Erasure is historians thinking Alexander Hamilton putting a comma in a letter to Angelica Schuyler meaning a secret romance, but ignoring the letter from Hamilton to John Laurens saying "Cold in my professions, warm in my friendships, I wish, my dear Laurens it might be in my power by action rather than words to convince you that I love you." There was another letter where half is missing, and the last we hear is "the length of my..nose." Sorry about the rant but everyone needs to know
Hey Jamie! I recently bought the "dinosaurs are cool transphobia is not" hoodie for my non-binary sibling for their birthday that's coming up in about 2 months. I'm trying my best to be supportive, and I've gotten the pronouns down majority of the time, but I'm struggling with the name. Do you know any way to remember the knew name better? (Love you btw!)
Put a photo of them with the name written on it on something you look at regularly like a planner or notebook or the back of your phone, maybe your wallet. Then you will see it often and connect the name with their face.
Listen, I'm Bi...I know I'm Bi, but I've also had conversations with female platonic friends about just being platonic life partners so we can stop looking for romantic life partners ALSO! Jessica is AGGRESSIVELY homosexual! (And we love her for it!)
Good on your for realising that! I was the same. My friend was like "you're really interested in trans stuff, huh?" And for years I was like "well it's interesting!" But yeah... Yeah.
I've posted this on another one of these gay erasure videos, but the pic of Jesse and Claude reminded me of it again: Several years ago, my then-girlfriend and I were in the airport, saying goodbye before her flight home (long-distance relationship). We were 15/16 at that point, and so didn't have full driver's licences, so my mum had to play chauffeur. Anyway. The gf and I kissed goodbye at the entrance to security. Like, the kiss you give your gf when you know you won't see her again until the end of the next school term. A well-meaning but clueless airport kiosk attendant immediately exclaimed, "Oh, it's wonderful to see sisters who get on so well together!" I pulled away and replied, "This is my girlfriend. If that's how you kiss your sister, you have issues." Mum tried to tell me off for being rude, but she was laughing too hard.
Remember guys, people who are gay should not be constantly erased and shown to be close friends Can and does coexist with People of the same gender (or otherwise, even) and asexuals are allowed to show physical affection without it being romantic
Btw i'm happy because today in class we talked about an author who was lesbian and the teacher brought up the author's relationship and acknowledged that she was gay. TBH I kinda expected my teacher to say "ah yes friendship" but they didn't and that's cool
@Nettyl Spryngs No it wasn’t. I’m French so the literature i study is mostly French. I actually don’t know the author you mentioned so i’m gonna look it up :) the author my teacher spoke about is named Marguerite Cleenewerck de Crayencour but she is also called by the name marg Yourcenar because that’s the name she signed her book with ( it’s an anagram of her real name btw )
3:19 okay, comments like this one annoy me so god damn much, especially as a writer myself! Everyone is always advocating that we need more diversity but as soon as someone who is not gay (I know they’re bi and obviously part of the community but my point here is about this being said to anyone) wants to write about it, people complain. You don’t have to be LGBTQIA+ to write about it. You don’t have to be black or a PoC to write about it. And you don’t have to be disabled yourself to include a blind person in your story. The only thing you need, is to do your research and be educated on what you are writing about so you do the story and the people it’s representing justice! That’s it. We need more representation of minorities and we also need more diverse writers that are gay, bi, trans, black, deaf, and so on. Including your own experience and speaking from the heart obviously gives you an advantage and a unique inside look when you want to write about LGBTQIA+ issues and characters but it is definitely not something that qualifies you alone to write about it! Anyone can write about anything and if you do your research right there’s nothing wrong with that. (And imagine how boring most story’s were, if we would only write from person experience)
I wholeheartedly agree... kinda, I would still strongly recommend to have someone by your side while doing so, there's a phrase that could be healthy to remember "nothing about us without us" perhaps get 2 or so people to proof-read for you, ask different types of people about their personal experiences with their relationship dynamics, befriend and chat with people of other colors than your own and learn how their environment affects them in the past and present, ask a blind person how their day was so yes, 100% yes do write stuff that isn't just 100% you and your own (sometimes/formerly) small world, but do research on both fronts, online AND in the flesh if you have the slightest chance to do so also personal note, I happened to befriend a blind person a while ago because we were taking the same taxi service almost every day at the same times, so we usually shared the back-seats, turns out we were both writers, and even more impressively coincidentally I was in the process of writing a fantasy novel where the main character was blind(and no magic or supernatural senses to make up for it), while on the other hand, she, had been writing short novels where the main characters were almost never blind, in her own words, she found it boring to write blind characters, so we ended up exchanging questions and recorded audio-pages almost every day between each-other where we commented on said characters and exchanged ideas of slight alterations, like how she could put more emphasis on how visual stimuli can elicit emotion and how look-ism(bias connected to beauty and ugliness) can often interfere with people's judgement, and how I could put more emphasis on texture, how to properly use the tools a blind person frequents, and how it feels like to be in the open without them. the message here is that there could always be something you don't know, and you could misrepresent people without noticing, so *just asking* is one of the most powerful tools you can have as a writer in motion
