gays need to have a union .. a leader to protect them ..to care for them and thiere family .a union is formed by a ballot and a leader is chosen..some unions have more than 200000 members .. for a small yearly fee .. u get protection.. lawyer..medicine..urgent transportation ..legal advise..buisiness assistance..travel advise..you do the rest..i just showed you the way.
@rerama82 OK. I AM A GAY. I HAVE A BOYFRIEND. I'M MALAYSIAN. We can't change right? We are who we are. somehow, I'm chinese and my parents are too conservative and I don't dare to tell them~
We just need to wait for the right moment to change our society. The Internet is helping the current generation realise that we are equal no matter our sexual orientation. You have support from you fellow Malaysian.
@pansyanddraco I see. Now I'm interested how you define the 'laws of nature' you refer to, especially considering that: 1) The definition would seem to imply that you think homosexuality is 'unnatural', and that 2) Most mammals display plenty of homosexual behaviour in the animal kingdom. Considering these facts, wouldn't homosexuality be considered consistent with the laws of nature? What definition of 'unnatural' are you using?
Pan, I'm not praising or denigrating homosexuality nor other natural acts (both good and bad, although you choose only those very negative examples from the animal kingdom). I am simply pointing out the fact that these things *are* natural by definition as that they *do* occur in the animal kingdom in nature (whether we like them or not), and that your argument that they are against the laws of nature and therefore punishable by death is complete bunk.
@pansyanddraco Pan, I need to point out the fact that you are equating and confusing two very different usages of the term 'natural'. You've now started to use the word in a more colloquial sense. If something is 'natural', by definition, it occurs in nature, and it matters not whether you find that behaviour detestable or admirable. Homosexuality occurs in nature, therefore it is natural. This negates your argument that homosexuality is unnatural therefore punishable by death.
@aliolix02 I would not give any excuses. Everyone has feelings n has their rights to express their feelings to the 1 they love, u should not relate being gay/lesbian/transsexual as something immoral or morality decline as there r many reasons to lead one to be homosexual/trans. Therefore, u cant said tat tis is a choice. Im gay, im happy, im mentally n physically fit, I m happy 4 who i m n still a good boy.=)
@pansyanddraco if u pick on one just because you don't agree with the lifestyle (even though it doesn't cause harm to ppl), then we can find another reason to pick on you, for example... if i don't agree muslims wearing the hijab, burqa or niqab, then i'll force them to wear the 'normal' outfit in a western community... do u think that's acceptable?
@pansyanddraco Not to derail your conversation with BSJT, but now I'm *really* confused. In our conversation, you equated attraction to children with homosexuality, which you say is 'against the law of nature'. Are you saying then that the Prophet was engaged in an act that was against the law of nature, and that he should have been executed for his crime? btw I am still waiting for how you define 'natural' animal behaviour, if not by observing animals in nature.
@pansyanddraco how do you define pervert acts? Is there an objective definition you can point us to so that we may know in future who should be put to death, and who shouldn't? What criteria are you using?
@pansyanddraco i have a reason to believe that you're a muslim... but i could be wrong you know what, i am gay and i am also an activitst for gender and human equality in Australia... i am also pro-human rights and against the banning of the burqa in France... but after speaking to you, i am not so sure anymore... should I join the majority and support the oppression of minority (muslim) in Western countries? should i?
@pansyanddraco I am not asserting anything except that it occurs in the animal kingdom. It seems that you agree that homosexuality *is*, in fact, natural by this definition. Why then do you assert that it is against the laws of nature? It cannot be both unnatural and natural. Can you explain this circular logic to me?
@pansyanddraco rape, incest, abuse are different scenarios, they involved one side being the victim, beinf force upon... hope you can tell the difference...
@pansyanddraco Wait...so now you're saying incest/homosexuality/whatever in animals *is* natural? A moment ago you were saying it was unnatural. Which is it? Because if you can't establish the difference between natural and unnatural in the animal kingdom, then I don't see how you manage to establish the difference in humans, and on that basis I find the conclusion that homosexuality is 'against the laws of nature' to be not only ignorant and misinformed but simply wrong.
@pansyanddraco like i said, what adults (i mean consenting 18yrs old) do behind close door in private in their business, that did not harm any1? we're not talking about padophiles and other sexual crime. like i said, muslims pray in their mosque or at home will not cause me harm and hence i live and let live, it's call human rights!
@pansyanddraco and that is the choice adult gay men made should they want to do anal sex...just like someone goes on a diet, yes, it is painful bit it's one's choice... yes, there's health risks with anal sex, but then again, it is between 2 consenting adults, they know the risk... bungee jumping also has risk, that's why only those above 18yrs (adult), acknoledging the risk were allow to do such activities... the same concept applies...
@pansyanddraco what kind of question is that? I was raised well, have a lovely and respectable mother and loving family... u think i was born out of a rock? incest is wrong because it'll affect the off-spring, animal sex is wrong because that is animal abuse, wife beating is wrong beacuse that is women abuse... a man (adult) having sex or showing love with another man (also adult) or women, with consent and willingness on both sides, with no1 getting exploited, that's their private business!
the guy , the narrator sounds british, he should know, that anti gay laws were introduced by the british as gay sex was taboo, how worse could the british be
Many things were introduced by the British that Malaysia conveniently got rid of. But this is convinient for them to keep because it can support Islam...... boron mentality ofc by the same people who think their Arabs.
