Yeah. Gen is probably the least roller brain roller player in algs. Dezign is like top 5 roller brain, and tilts far to easily to utilize his teamfight capabilities reliably. I imagine Gen's flying the coop asap.
I don’t even like Dezign but if I’m being real I don’t think he said anything crazy or was counter calling. All he said was keep their bridge and make sure not to drop before they fight. About capitalising the KP, that probably wasn’t going to happen cause Timmy fell off immediately after the Kraber shot and had to reset. Plus the bottom team walled off.
@@huhsaywhat it's not that he got crazy or anything . But it's too many comms when timmy already said what to do. Timmy is the igl. The part where he said something about the life I didn't think was bad but also common sense for a pro player. So basically just to many people talking. That sorta goes for gen too bc everyone had something to say.
@@huhsaywhat he was counter calling though. Timmy was looking down from bridge but not jumping down and called for his team to look down for kills but dezign kept counter calling. Also they got extra 2 KP from timmy doing that and might have gotten 1 or 2 more if dezign didnt counter call.
I understand Dezign wants to secure a win, but Timmy has to learn by experience. If he's constantly getting babied, he's going to become over reliant on Dezign for support. Timmy is going to mess up at some point. That's the process of learning. But making mistakes means Timmy understands what's a good call or not.
I thought that was the whole dynamic of Timmy and dezign. Just because someone is igl doesn’t mean that they have to be quiet and let Timmy make the ultimate decision. There wasn’t any babying that happened and why wouldn’t you play for the secured win???
@@Vosje_that wasn’t co igling though. Reps mainly fed Hal information and would wait for Hal to make the call. Dezign didn’t want to wait for Timmy to make the call. I think right now in scrims, he needs to Timmy to make independent calls. If he makes a mistake, that’s when they discuss what they could have done differently.
This might be one of the few times I'm on Dezign's side, first of all he hardly 'counter called' Timmy, he wasn't pissed or stressing the comms badly and he was right teams with Pathy, Newcastle and Crypto can attempt making a play for their position, he was mostly saying to chill, they'll kill each-other, just maintain position on the bridge because that's the winning spot and the reason he was emphasising it because he KNOWS Timmy sometimes will tunnel in on getting a kill and can even attempt a play on dropping low ground to get his finish, especially for someone who usually plays a character like Pathy that allows him to do so.
Honestly it’s just gen showing his ego, I noticed his comms are just egotistical since he joined DSG and he also sounds mad and frustrated while giving calls. I’m guessing it’s because he got snaked by falcons and is going on his villain arc
yea its just a reminder when game getting intense and make sure , when u are having negative mindset toward a person whatever he say will be fking annoying when he calls out anything. and timmy are those type player who will fked up game in algs for being greedy for kills
thats not true, the main problem in timmys roster before was that enemy always yeeted when someone was in danger, timmy not, he was patient and saw the situation in a different better angle. timmy was the one who survived
Dezign said nothing wrong, but also only said things that you need to say to people you do not trust. It takes time to trust your team. Its fine. Lets not analyze a blade of grass for too long.
@@madd.villain The team as a whole has been together for a couple of weeks. Stop lying. Pretending like a 3rd doesn't make all the difference. Or maybe you are not lying and you just never played the game. Regardless, you are obviously wrong.
@@Kriator_ You're right, they teamed for all of last year until the middle of 2024, disbanded for like three months, and are back. Forgive me for thinking everyone was up to date with Apex in an Apex comment section Officer Doofy.
Am I the only one who didn't see a problem with Dezign? He got downed unfortunately twice, and the 3rd death on the bridge was most likely bad positioning. Other than that they made the obvious play a few times and he never actually made any calls, but he was just being careful. This is the type of shit that breaks a team, instantly teaming up on your teammate telling him he's ''yapping'' is crazy. It doesn't help anyone. Just politely tell them they can relax and let Timmy explain his thought process. If this happened to Gen from Hal or Zer0, we'd be getting a new reddit hate thread against them.
not just you gen is braindead this entire clip and timmy overpeaked twice, causing dez to get picked while holding angle for the res at the start. dez only bad play that was actually his fault was getting picked on the bridge, his comms saved the endgame
You guys are really freaking out cuz he said “yapping”? Did you not watch the whole clip? Like Jesus bro you guys and NiceWigg are sharing the same brain. It’s ok when people say words that you don’t agree with
If you watched scrims the past few days, that blow up was coming. There's been several games where Timmy will be comming "listen, listen" and has to repeat that multiple times because Dez is still talking over him, Dez doesn't trust their calls and doesn't want to match their playstyle still. They all agreed to pet Timmy IGL for now so he needs to let Timmy learn the role, otherwise what was the point of letting Timmy lead - if it doesn't work then Dez can take over, they already agreed on that
Gen and Timmy I think work well together. Timmy on MnK with an aggressive play style and Gen on roller without roller brain meshes really well. This particular clip wasn't bad other than Dezign really didn't need to talk. I know people hate on Dezign but Dezign didn't need to say anything other than callouts. In fact I think Timmy and Gen probably could have won that game as a duo. Timmy and Gen were on the same page and calling out to each other while Dezign wasn't trusting his team and was in fact yapping from their perspective. I mean what Dezign said wasn't bad but Gen and Timmy both already knew everything he was saying.
I dont understand why people are attacking dezign. even with all that playsafe coms, timmy still fell and almost cost them the game. I actually wanted him to say it louder lol
timmy falling down was is mistake and he called it right when it happened but what gen is annoyed at is when they have the bridge and there were no chance for the bottom 2 teams to push them, timmy knocked 1 but couldnt finish because dezign kept counter calling. After that right before they won timmy cracked 2 and just needed them to peek and they kill them but dezign was still counter calling. They could have gotten 1-2 extra kp. Dezign is right at calling to play safe but with the angles they had on the other 2 teams, they didnt need to play ultra safe like dezign was calling for.
Because people didn’t really watch the video it’s obvious? No one was really mad like yall tripping? It was a miscommunication but people don’t watch videos. They were totally fine. On all sides. The guy explains what happened and no one was even mad
@@mateo-pv7vj ah yes we need a coach that swears to everyone and yelling and picking fights with every single teammate. That's a good coaching right there
I mean people pointed out that the comms were messy. 3 people heard the comms and it felt like it wasnt aligning to the situation. So Dezign should have gotten the hint that oh maybe my call was confusing then accepted the critic. Then watch the vod back and if he still doesnt agree then bring it up in the next meeting. So that then can work it out and be on the same page for champs.
I think it all was ok haha design was making good calls, maybe it would’ve been good to just call it once or twice. He said it really respectfully which I love, I think just to not overstep I think just saying it once or twice would’ve been good and then drop it and trust I think would be best route imo
Nicewigg always with the W take. He laughs about it because emotions run high during big moments lol I don’t think dez is doing as bad as everyone says either
Dezign now plays with one of the best controller players and one of the best M&K players of all time. He’s really showing that he’s the weak link in the chain. Hilarious when you recall all of the moments of him melting down his in the past.
Because that tone is how you deal with someone with a personality like dezign's. Dezign's ego is too big and he is disrupting team communication with his calls like he is the IGL. He needs to be put in his place. If he would admit his mistakes, there would be no need to be so strict, but he never does.
Dezign basically just said play safe… Timmy falls off bridge and gen gets put to 1 shot. Gen has a tendency to team with the 2nd teammate against the 3rd. Happened when Hal first got to falcons too but it was him messing up hence…
@@CoyKo-s2y dezign is easily one of the least likable apex pros but it’s obvious that his teammates are clearly teaming against him on this and that’s fake from “likable/more popular” apex pros like Timmy and gen
why tf is Gen getting stressed about Dez calling basic shit like stay healthy when hes been hearing in his ear a screaming seagul on his ears for years. It aint that deep
Dez wouldn’t shut up making it harder for everyone else to follow the igl. You have to respect your igl. If you keep talking over your igl you’re basically saying “I should be igl” now you’ve got 3 randoms doing whatever they want
@@MatNivag that fact doesn't change anything of what I said, in fact, u realize Timmy could of died when he fell by mistake and prove right what Dez was saying?? Yeah
Dezignful's pride is his biggest weakness. He always wants to do things his own way. The nemesis is the best range weapon, not for dezignful he refuses to use it. Wraith is a terrible pick for comp, not for dezignful he refused to pick anyone else. Now he has to step down and let timmy IGL, what could go wrong?
Tbh i never understuud why timmy wants to play with dezign that bad. If they drop dezign and get another good team player this can be the new "super team" for sure. But now dezign is in this team i hope hé can hold on with timmy and gen and atleast try to be a team player. Timmy and being IGL just need time, i trust tinmy hé Will be a good IGL soon. I love this man
@@arjentijdhof I would hate to see him dropped tbh he is one of my favorite players to watch but he is so passionate about not only apex but how he plays in general and he shoots himself in the foot
@@silentg6865 i dont hate the man, i just think hé isnt good enough for a good team. He isnt good enough with another legend and wants to play wraith all the time.
bro Dezign did nothing wrong and didnt counter call nothing... like what? he was just saying to stay safe and healthy multiple times, and thats okay o.O but anyway..
Sounds like the coach made Timmy captain. I agree with design too. Timmy plays like everyone should know what he’s thinking. We get he can get the Kp & thats smart for algs. On that note be safe when you have the win
I honestly understand talking for so long afterwards, one long conversation can lead to an amazing team and I honestly think this team can dominate the scene
He let us frustration explode instead of dealing it like a mature teammate. Dezign didn’t mean any harm by this, he was just repeating himself a lot. Maybe even something he didn’t notice he was doing. It’s like Gen is forgetting he’s on a new team where they will gradually learn and change each others play style. His aggression isn’t gonna help that process.
@@SALisRad so he should rather stay quiet and be confused with messy communication? thats very counterproductive behavior for newcomer to the team. if there is no clarifications with comms and instead its ''lets do this, lets do this'' and then there is someone calling ''stay safe stay safe''. how are u supposed to react well in the spur of moment where seconds matter lol
Tbh dezign was spot on in this. I also don’t see the issue with the comms i think teams who all have input do better. Like TSM for now they’re not especially gifted talent wise apart from Evan but their synergy is really good
dezign was not spot on in this. he needed to stfu. staying safe/playing cover is apex basics, he's not talking to gold or silver players, no need to say the obvious. instead of listening to sound cues, he floods comms with unnecessary yapping.
@@deeznewts4186 Funny he says play safe use cover can be hard to take serious when he isn't actually doing it. He gets knocked constantly because he is not behind cover.
I don’t think anyone is wrong is that situation, it’s a work in progress with Timmy being IGL. I think Timmy has to learn to be more specific with his calls, simply saying “Gen help me thirst/pressure this team and Dez you stay and hard anchor”. I like Dojo as a team and think they’ll make some noise come Finals. Bleed/TSM/Dojo are my top 3
Tbh that just seemed like healthy discussion, sometimes a little conflict in a safe environment can lead to innovation and better team cohesion. Better to all express their thoughts so that on game day they all already know what the others are thinking which declutters comms. If they can keep this type of discussion up they’ll be an even scarier team.
Dezign is always the first one to get knocked. The reason Dojo is doing well in scrims is because Gen and Timmy have been winning one 2v3 after another.
Obviously it's easy to sit here as an observer and point out what was right and what wasn't. I genuinely think that all 3 of them were correct at some points and incorrect at some points. - Dezign was making a good call about slowing down, letting them fight, and staying on the bridge. I actually fully agree with that call and it did get them the win. However, he's not the IGL, so he needs to let his thought be made once to the team/Timmy, and then be okay with Timmy's call because Timmy is the IGL. He then needs to commit to Timmy's call 100% whether it's the right call or wrong one, which he did. - Gen's gameplay was solid from start to finish, unsurprisingly. He did a good job of not increasing the chaos in the comms during gameplay. However, I thought that the *way* he spoke at the end wasn't great for team morale. Even though I completely agree with his statement about messy comms, if he's heated after that, take a pause and a breath, and then speak. His point was good, but it might be lost because of the tone/way he spoke may make others feel defensive. - Timmy is obviously has one of the greatest sets of hands of any gamer on Earth. Nothing to say there. However, he tends to tunnel and excessively comm. I think Timmy really needs to practice slowing his comms down and just speaking once; even if it's at the expense of throwing a few scrims. I think it's better to come last in scrims but learned something from it and create new muscle memory in the process than it is to win scrims and still make the same mistakes. While these are critiques, I do want to say that I really enjoy this team. I like all the players, both together and individually, and I think they have a genuine chance of big things. I'm a fan of all of them and I hope great things are to come! :)
I mean this is what Timmy did to his IGLs on his last two teams, being on the under end is gonna be how he learns as an IGL when teammates do this. They have plenty of time to work on issues like this
I've been saying this...Dezign keeps "counter calling". A member should not counter call the IGL because it makes the IGL more hesitant and confuses everybody. It shows that he's not trusting and/or respecting TImmy as IGL.
After watching this a second time I don’t think the com’s was to bad tbf, there was a lot of yapping and it did sound a lil hectic at times but they all had valid call outs on different elements which kept all angles covered. Timmy still had the main lead and they all kept on his play which secured them the win. In Dezigns n Gen’s defence, end games can get so intense it’s hard not to get vocal especially when they’re both passionate players and have both igl’ed, that spent energy in game is why they were feeling a little emotionally drained after. My only critique through observation would be Timmy working on knowing when to push and when not to, he sometimes gets tunnel vision when he engages in fights and must remember he’s still responsible for their positioning and his teams life’s. Gen and Dezign need to tame it down a little but not fully because i still believe they need to relay valid information for Timmy to make the best decision.
Even though I dont think Dezign's calls were bad. Them not listening to Timmy's calls actively hurts his growth as an IGL, whether it's a good call or not.
I also think that, with a lot of respect, their coach Bronzey isn't great. I've seen the MST Coach when Timmy was part of the team and he was absolutely crazy. Such a good coach.
I think if this team stay together for a long time they can do great things together. They are in a proces now and doing good already. To make Timmy a good IGL you just have to trust this man. Hé have to learn and make mistakes to get better. I love this team already! Awesome plays guys!
Gotta give credit when it's due..... Dezign handled that criticism professionally and didn't lose his cool once during that exchange. Timmy and Gen did say that he is a changed man, if this is what he looks like when he irons out his mental, then Dojo is gonna crush shit. If Dezign keeps acting like this then I may actually start liking him.
The job of the IGL is to direct others, not just to hold Kraber and yell, "Play on me!" I thought Dezign's late-game calls were better from a play-calling perspective. Timmy didn't have a plan for the ring closing and just repeatedly yelled to look here, look there, etc. I kept waiting for Dezign to yap a bunch more, but the 3 of them all comm'd the same amount. Also wanna point out it's a terrible idea to go into the next game with the argument ongoing.
