Geoff & Tim Follin - "Silver Surfer (NES)" Full Soundtrack [Oscilloscope View] 

Tim made it sing the language of gods

Yes

Tim & Geoff Follin, David Wise and Rob Hubbard: *this* *looks* *like* *a* *job* *to* *me-*

​​@@RedTsarOldChannel-INACTIVEthey are the kings of 80's game music

Tim played the lute IIRC.

Ah, that's due to technical limitations on the music chip. They all have that.

@@Dubanx Yep

yeah thats what makes it work as a bass, perfect triangles with no steps don't really work as basses unlike 2a03 triangles

@@SPCOOKIE Yeah. I see people using triangle bass on c64 sometimes and even with my bassy headphones it's just not audible enough

Yeah

I love this game.

I really don't know what to those Europeans were using when making music, but I want some. The Follins, Jeroen Tel, Martin Galway, Mark Cooksey, Alberto Gonzalez, Rob Hubbard, Chris Hülsbeck, and so forth. The Japanese were amazing, but the Europeans took the concept of amazing music to a whole other level.

@netunof Source?

@@RedTsarOldChannel-INACTIVE what about geoff....

@@boingledink4332 "And so forth" Geoff was a genius and actually, Tim would not be as good as he is without him.

Looks like the triangle momentarily jumps to add a bass layer during each snare hit on the noise channel

@@excellent_tea wow

agreed

Ironic I clicked on this video the day he passed away.

Not from a Jedi...

Mind explaining what that means? Lol (for those of us that are uninitiated)

@@WhoLover Arpeggios, in the case of 8-bit music and chiptunes, rapidly vary the tone played in a sequence. An example I could think of right now is the intro of the C64 port of Second Reality. It's very recognizable. (In "real" music they refer to the same thing of playing chord tones separately, but in much more general ways.) As for what an octave is, I think you already know. An increase by one octave means a doubling in the frequency.

@@DelayRGC thanks man! Beautifully explained :)

@@DelayRGC Follin is essentially the god of arpeggios in chiptune. He used this trick in almost ALL of his chiptune OSTs. And his brother Geoff actually followed suit.

@@RedTsarOldChannel-INACTIVE Also Ben Daglish and Anthony Crowther (Ben & Ratt from W.E.M.U.S.I.C) made a lot of arpeggios to hide the 3-sounds only C64 limitation.

The NES uses a special counter to generate the triangle wave, hence why it has steps on it.

The hardware generating that wave only has 4 bits of resolution, that's only 16 values (count them!), so you can clearly see the steps. wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/APU#Triangle_.28.244008-400B.29

Interesting stuff! I guess that explains why it sounds kinda different from a real triangle wave like you'd hear on onlinetonegenerator.com/

i’m fairly certain that it’s affecting the sound, it appears to be a more extreme version of the ramping up/down of the pulse and noise channels. i’m not sure why it happens, but i wish i knew (edit: i now understand, its caused by a high pass filter)

@SArpnt Your eyes don't deceive you: the NES' triangle wave is indeed shaped like a shark fin due to asymmetrical rise and fall. This and the aliasing caused by the stepping is what gives the NES's triangle a distinct and easily identifiable sound.

"Solid" is a extreme understatement

He wasn't using a driver

he was

Nope. Time Follin did the entire soundtrack using only the two rectangle waves, the triangle, and the noise channel, combining the triangle and noise channels to generate a rich drum set. It's... unbelievably good NES sequencing, literally the best I've ever heard, and I've done a lot of time in the Chiptune scene.

No, they decided to not use it as doing so will waste cartridge space.

@@TheGreatGario The rectangle channels are pulse waves

DPCM actually would have messed with the triangle, eaten up a LOT of space, and it also fucks with the controller inputs.

@@BottomOfTheDumpsterFire Sunsoft used the DPCM as the BASS in Batman: ROTJ & Gimmick!

@Gellért Borsay It was from the AVGN review of the game. One thing that sucked about the game is that you couldn't tell what was part of the background and what was in the foreground. The AVGN episode is worth watching.

Silver surfer.... MORE LIKE SILVER SHIT!

You can. AVGN just got hit by an falling obstacle.

@@fuzz11111111 *_"HE LOOKS SO STUPID!_* I mean, what the hell's wrong with him?! He's like......like......" 😠 (Imitates title screen pose)

"You die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, *DIE!"* (Imitates Silver Surfer's defeat pose) _"Oh God, I can't fuckin' stand it..."_ 😣

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i believe the horizontal parts are the data of the triangle wave that isn't played. I could be wrong but i remember triangle waves not looking like pyramids XD

@@radrolla3406 NES couldn't make a perfect triangle waves, so it made one in 16 vertical steps. Yeah it's not a true triangle and if you listen closely you can hear a higher pitch coming from it that isn't there in a perfect triangle. This video explains it more ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8RrQrATnXXY.html

@@paulblart7378 thx fam, that makes sense now that i think about it

the C64 has much more possible variety in sound textures, the SID has some insane capabilities, even though it is limited to only 3 channels

the SID has three channels: each one can be a pulse, saw, triangle, noise, or some combination thereof. It also comes with a filter that any channel can pass through. the NES has five channels: two pulse, one triangle, one noise, and one sample.

@@binguloid It's also important to mention one of the NES's extra chips, such as Konami's VRC6, with +2 pulses and 1 sawtooth

@@NEStalgia those only came in certain games though, and they were inside the cartridge, not in the console itself. most games didn't use any extra chips, including silver surfer. imagine what the follins could do with an extra sound chip!

​@@saltedmutton7269 It'd be mind-blowing

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@@theallknowingsause8940 ok

The triangle channel is the third channel down.

@@acrouzet Ah thanks, makes sense. Thought I was seeing a sine wave.

Vikrinox its not a hardware bug, it’s caused by a high pass filter

@Juguertox I don't see anything disrespectful about what he did

@Juguertox Because some people can't see humor just through text, it's different in person

@doopdee it's very similar to a few different early funk tunes. Notably it reminds me of Herbie Hancock's Watermelon Man, with a tinge of Chameleon thrown in there.

It's the soundtrack for the NES game "Silver Surfer".

The tech demo came with a free game!

Yes

@@gaymothaunt unironically

The magic of old game music comes from limitations. Modern composers have so many tools in their hands but can't recreate music like this. I mean, listen to modern pop "music", it's shit.

A modern musician who has so many tools to build an orchestra at home but can't make creative music. They're human, so they're a little better. Soon, the era will come when AI musicians will rage. AI will fill the world with golden shit, selecting only the most popular and selling elements of the catchy but shitty music that modern musicians have accumulated. The scary thing is that the new generation that will be born in the future will accept without any resistance the images, characters, paintings and music that are composed only of imitations created by AI. Just as the use of the Internet and smartphones has been the norm since the young people of today were born, For them, the world created by AI is natural. In such an era, human creators, genius or not, can no longer compete with AI. EDIT: Maybe post-AI generations can't logically understand when they listen to Tim and Geoff Follin's music whether it's the creation of human genius or AI-created golden shit It is even possible. : end of editing But we do know some great music created by human geniuses who have overcome their limitations. We have no choice but to think of it as the highest honor as a human being that only the generation that knows the pre-AI era can get.

​@@paulblart7378 That's exactly it! Very well said👏