Georg Philipp Telemann, Konzert für Trompete, 2 Oboen und Basso continuo TWV:43 D7, Largo 

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@logicalempiricist2 "The first piston-valved musical instruments were developed just after the start of the 19th century. The Stölzel valve (invented by Heinrich Stölzel in 1815) was an early variety. The piston valve found in the majority of valved brass instruments was invented in 1838 and patented in 1839." Any trumpeter that plays this with valves is anachronistic and wrong.

@@alexenazavr I think this is historical pitch so it should be 415 Hz

Baroque pitch is 415

the tubing in a trumpet is what select the harmonic pitch coming out. the instrument is sorting the sound.

Thanks a lot! There will be a Workshop in Langenbruck BL this summer. Details you can find on the website naturtrompete.ch/naturtrompetenworkshop-en/

You are right! I am wondered too 😮🙂🎶

das ist ziemlich gut , leider stimmen aber nur die Trompeter mit Schummellöcher🤔

Thanks a lot! Appreciation for historic art takes time to develop and it makes totally happy that a lot of viewers seem to get something out of those videos. Recently a dear friend reminded me, that we have to relearn to look at architecture, paintings, objects of that epoque to understand their inner harmony and love for proportions.....

@@naturaltrumpet84 2 years later, and hard it may be believe, it grows in beauty as time passess.

Yes, it is the real Instrument of the baroque period and i am happy that more and more the audience becomes aware of it. Why people insist on playing with holes is not of my concern.....ask them.... I can only tell you why i do what i do: It is the only possibility to have the same sensations a contemporary trumpeter of Bach, Telemann or Handel had, while playing their music. So it helps you to enter the soundpicture of those composers....

@@naturaltrumpet84 because it is easier ;)

@@antoniopet Maybe on a superficial level. But for exemple....on a superficial level those two vids although get to the same conclusion..... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qsAUKRbaZ9E.html and ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DBxdTkddHaE.html

@@naturaltrumpet84 They do it because they're afraid of being told that they're playing "out of tune" which they are to modern ears but not to the natural harmonic series. I think that nature is more important!

While I have nothing against the idea of playing baroque on period instruments, you make it sound as if natural instruments are superiour for this kind of music. But valves weren't invented for nothing. There is a reason why brass instruments evolved: They had limited range and shifty tonal qualities. That is why they were improved over time. Performing baroque music on the instruments of the time gives us an idea of how it sounded back then. But I'm 100% sure, if the modern instruments would have been available back then, composers would have seen them as the improvements they were and would not have hesitated to expect performers to uses them exclusively.

Thank you very much! When I studied modern trumpet I enjoyed listening to your recording of Haydn and Hummel with the Tonhalle and of course to the CD you did with Niklas Eklund!

@@naturaltrumpet84 das isch lieb vo Dir😊

:D.... e voila ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-aVskqSvPZkA.html

@@naturaltrumpet84 gotta say, I’m blown away by your playing. Back in my time, playing without holes was considered fringe/impossible/risky. You make it sound so “right”. Don’t know whether you met Ed Tarr, but he would be very proud of you!!!

Playing trumpet is, was and will always be a risk. I think the thing that has changed in early music the last 20 Years, at least in some circles, is that sounding "right" can't be broken down to a tuning machine. Yes, I have met Ed, I played one of my first Concerts on natural trumpet with him and Frans Berglund. That was 2009, I just had started studying with Jean-François at the Schola Cantorum. We played BWV 214 and Zadok the priest and Ed insisted that we play without holes. He said he really wanted to try it on that repertoire ;).

You do it by tightening or loosening the gap between your lips, from my experience the higher you have to get, the harder to do it. You need to practice a lot to keep those muscles around your mouth in shape.

As you go higher in the range of brass instruments the partials (space between open valve combinations) gets closer together. So you get away with not having/using valves by playing high with immaculate face control.

Very tight lips. The higher on the scale you go, the more "natural" sounds (ones that don't require you to press any valves) even a regular trumpet can produce. But it's hellish for the lips. And it's very hard to resist the urge to press the mouthpiece harder against your lips.

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The Haas-Trumpet I play has arround 10.6mm inner tube diameter.... Tubelength differs with tonality and tuning note. You can order technical drawings from the Germanic National Museum www.gnm.de/fileadmin/redakteure/Museum/pdf/gnm_tz_roentgen.pdf This book gives you an overview about how: global.oup.com/academic/product/the-art-of-the-trumpet-maker-9780198166054?cc=de&lang=en& Here are Workshops where you can learn (not happening this year due to covid19): trompetenmacher.de/de/allgemein/trompetenbau-workshop-2020/

@@naturaltrumpet84 Thank you very much for your detailed reply! i wish you great health and plenty of fun! from a French person living in Canada.

The notes playable on the instruments are determined by the harmonic series. Depending on the frequency of the generated vibration, the aircolumn gets split up in different partials in the tube. If the airculumn is devided by 2 we get the octave to the fundamental note, devided by 3 we get the fifth on top of that octave after that the 4th, major 3, minor 3 etc. From the 8th harmonic a scale starts to form wich is near enough to our diatonic scale, that they used it in the baroque times to write tunes for trumpets in concert with other instruments.

@@naturaltrumpet84 thank you for your reply. So all of the notes played here are possible from one fixed pipe and no valves?

Yes….look here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_series_(music)

When I met Bahb 14 or so years ago he propagated a tonqueposition fixed to the bottom lip, spitbuzzing and downsizing the mouthpiece. I don't fix my tonque to my bottom lip, I don't spitbuzz and I use a historical mouthpiece and those are significantly bigger than modern mouthpieces.....so short: no, I don't use the same technique.

I believe that paintings of the time showed that this was the way that trumpeters held their instruments during that period. For authenticity, contemporary purists do the same.

15 more minutes, for the fun, go!!! ;)

Dear Magnus, yes, it has cupdiameter of approximately 19.4 mm, as well the grain is with 5mm quit big. Since the Instrument has the double length of a modern trumpet, it needs to be reflected in the design of the mouthpiece. Most originals from the 18th Century are quit big....

thanks a lot for the encouraging comments by the way! For trumpeters that are interessted in playing without holes, there still are 2 places in the naturaltrumpetworkshop in Langenbruck this summer....We are going to do a lot of interessting trumpetensemble, technic and orchestralexerpts: naturtrompete.ch/en/natural-trumpet-workshop/

naturaltrumpet84 sounds intresting. I have been playing alot natural trumpet my self, but with holes. We had a group me, a friend and Niklas Eklund. But it is many years ago. 1994 i was in Liechtenstein for two weeks on a course with Edd Tarr. Very nice! Is he still going strong?

@@magnusklahr8190 I havent heard Ed Tarr playing for years now, so i don t know if he still plays....

Yeah, relative pitch is kind of a hardship... but it still sounds so bloody good, that you almost don't care.

It is necessary for communication between players, especially since there is no conductor. If you ever play in a chamber group, you will realize how vital it is.