I still fly outside when it’s below zero. In Minnesota you just have to unless you want to wait forever to fly. In fact I flew the GepRC Smart 3.5 that I won on this channel yesterday at -5°f. No problems at all, (I sit in my living run to fly though). Thanks again Nick for that quad! Absolutely love that thing!
I got the O3 Cinebot30 for Christmas as a present to myself and absolutely have fallen in love with it. If I had to part with all my drones (ten (from 1.6" to three 5") but one, the Cinebot would be the one I would keep. I have a Flywoo Cinerace20 that I think competes with the Cinelog20 (VIsta) and I really like it too though it suffers a bit in flight dynamics due to the ducts. I'd love to try out the Cinelog20.
Concave... as in, caves in. The lens in convex! ;) Cheers Nick. Looks good. I may need to get me one of these Cinewhoops eventually. Been sidetracked with a constant fleet of toothpicks and whoops thanks to you.
Love the compact size. I was looking at the cinelog25 last year, ended up getting a Cinelog30 frame on sale I finally got to building. These little guys do fit in little spaces, Loved the spot you went above the fenc through the scragle. There's a bunch of spots close by me where that could get some really cool shots. Realy nice it get's just under 250 and still is packing a nakid GoPro. Nice snow flight. As much as the snow keeps us from flying is can make for some good footage and this little guy did a fine job. West Coast looks to be getting some snow soon too. Thanks for the vid! Cheers!
Hi Nick. Per your question, I’m looking for DJI 03 in all size drones. It’s the best quality video out there. Life is too short to put up with analog video.
Flies amazing without the naked go pro..... Makes me think the O3 could be the best offer on this one to take advantage of the small factor, loving the idea... Great Review.... Once again....
I would have prefered to review the 03 version. But I don't have the goggles. Canceled my goggles2 order and placed another direct from DJI. They have already shipped.
@@NickBurnsFPV darn! That happened to me but I stuck it out bc RDQ honored the below msrp they originally priced it at in November 😅. In Jan I was like common rdq and ordered from dji directly. The day the dji ones came to my house the rdq ones shipped haha! 🤦♂️ I ended up returning the dji ones and made a lot more work for myself but only payed $550 with tax and shipping! Ordered this for the O3 version already. I do wish it was the cinebot 20 instead though. I love the frame and design on my cinebot 30 O3
Hi Mr. Nick, Great review video thanks a lot. I own self built cinerace20 from flywoo and a self built cinelog25 as well. I feel when it comes to cine whoops the 2.5 inch and 3 inch are the best, anything below feels too heavy and noisy. This one can be directly compared with the cinerace 20 which I think flies great without an additional hd cam Ofcourse & with a bit of tweaks in betaflight pid settings. I’d say the cinerace20 is better coz of the ducts benefit + more durable + cool led ring options. My cinelog25 is the most useful quad I own, I have actually been making useful videos for people with it. I don’t think this one is even close to it. Cheers keep flying
Nick, I love your videos and think you do an amazingly thorough yet succinct run through of the quads. I wonder if there would be value in a 10 second clip or even a photo insert of the factory tune / PIDS in betaflight. I recently got one of these and my tune seems off and being new to this I am not going to tweak them. I have reached out to gep but they indicated the props are on backwards (they installed them) and it is oriented the same way yours was in this video...just seems like I need like over 40-47 percent throttle to hover which I felt was a lot....great work
If the props are on correct the other factor causing more throttle to be used would be the size of battery or the quality of the battery. If the battery isn't very good we would see a high amount of voltage sage when we lift off.
@@NickBurnsFPV all brand new batteries from GEPRC...I changed the tune and it is flying much better....still not a best like the cine 30 or the cine 35 V2
@@johnelias1268 I wonder if it didn't get the custom pids for that particular quad? Did you by chance notice if the sliders were all lined up down the middle or no? Were the motors hot prior to the pid change?
@@NickBurnsFPV I did not notice but it is doing much better now. I will say I am not flying nearly as good as you and want this for slow cinematic stuff....I practice like a crazy person and it is paying if slowly...
Direct copetitor for cinerac20 and iflight c85. Cinerace has smaller motors so it will lfy a lot longer. But they still cant compete with my carbon 2" cinewhoop(hurricane 2")
Excellent video! I’m soo close to pulling the trigger on a cinewhoop, jumping up from a Tinyhawk 2 freestyle and some of the basic gear and I’d love to get something with a better video feed
yea, we probably have to go digital to get on with the better feed. The small cinewhoops are really purpose driven to those super confined spaces when we need the smallest flying footprint. Larger props carry more weight better.
Fantastic flying and review, Nick! 😃 Send me some of cold weather you have there. It's been too hot around here lately! 😬 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I get horrible flight times on my CINELOG20 and I don't know why. I have tried different mah batteries from 450 to 850. At 850 I can't get more than 2.30 minutes .... what PIDs are you using? Im so close to giving up on this drone
I would suspect its the battery quality or health. The PIDs in all bnf review videos are provided by the manufacturer. Maybe they didn't put the pids on it when built. I would check against the cli dump geprc has for it on their website.
Loved watching you videos nick, I'm starting to have an urge to try FPV as my hobby..but for now I'm just gonna watch this kind of fpv videos..if I had a chance I would prefer the slow and cinematic type of drone,,but for now the budget was too tight.. i guess I'm happy with just watching videos like yours..thanks nick🙏.😊
You can start with a beginner ready to fly set like the BetaFPV Cetus series. Not bad price and comes with everything you need to get started. You’ll be hooked!
i like your videos on the cinelog20, however i have a question for you. i recently bought the cinelog20 frame kit to move kit from pavo20, however, i thought my 1408 9mm motors will fit the frame, however the frame i got , seems like the mounting holes are not for the 9mm? how is that possible, ? yet my original pavo20 8.5mm screws and motors fit perfectly? did you have the same problem? if so, how did you overcome? is the recommended 1305.5 motors - what does the .5 mean?
I didn’t move motors onto or from the Pavo. There might have been a second version of the frame with the first only being compatible with a single motor size and the second being compatible with two motor sizes
did you tune anything for the indoor flight? I have the CL20 but for me its just sooooo twichy, any tips for this or info would really help. You probably have more experience with tiny whoops. im fairly new, got a 5inch at first, but wanted something for indoor, but it feels "impossible" to control. btw nice tip the E600,0 works great to glue those broken propguards, its kind elasticy and keeps it well together. Advantage, if you crash, big chance it will break the same side. You can just pull the E6000 off and glue it again and good to go. I have spare guards, but dont feel to replace it for the moment.
No, I don't pid tune for bnf reviews. If it feels twitchy there are really only two options. Fly more to adjust to the responsiveness of micros or add expo to all axis to soften the stick responsiveness.
certainly. Anytime we add weight there will be a performance and flight time decrease. The smaller the prop the more sensitive to additional weight it is.
Oh yes, certainly heavy as really just about all cinewhoops fly. I hope I positioned it clearly as a slow indoor (mostly) flyer. Think real estate fly through and the like.
Thanks for the review, greatly appreciated. Will you recommend the cinelog20 or cinebot30 is better for shooting real estate property? I have the cinebot30 (o3) and I was thinking purchasing a 2inch drone will be easier for a smoother shooting. Do you think it is worth investing in that one for better quality ? 😊
A smaller drone will make it easier to maneuver through houses around corners etc. it’s a matter of smaller gives us more margin for error. If you able to do it with the cinebot30 probably not a wise investment to get the cinelog20. But if not it’s worth thinking about, the size difference is pretty substantial
Do you suggest Tattu R line 4S 750mah 95C lipo battery for Cinelog 25? This battery weight is about 82 grams only 2 grams more than 650mah R Line. This battery probably combines both flying agility for manueuver and more capacity for flying extended time. On the other hand Flywoo has introduced recently a new explorer 750mah LiHV 4s 80c battery which weights only 68 grams. Is it better to prefer a high voltage battery with same capacity but less weight? Or the Tattu 750 R line although it is a standard lipo it might performs better?
Hi Nick. New sub here from South Africa. I bought the cl20 03 after watching videos like this. These small drones are a blast to fly. Not perfect but fun.
Great video Nick. Been looking forward to this review. I am considering getting a sub250 with O3 air unit. Was considering the CineOn Z20 and saw your review of the Z25. Just wondering what you would recommend between the O3 version of this or the CineOn Z20. Thank you and look forward to your next video.
I think a 2.5inch version would handle the additional weight of the O3, it would also give us the possibility of more flight time and performance. 2inch hd is very specific to flying inside 80% primarily needing that super small flight footprint.
Hi Nick I get the cinelog 20 analog whit express eles but I can’t bind I use zorro whit 2.0 elrs version but they put in the quad a reciver like DIY 2400 Rx
Is there any alternative to the stock cushions that mount the fly camera (03 air unit) to the main frame? I've torn two in relatively light crashes without breaking anything else. Both times flubbing a loop and hitting flat on the ground and because the camera is hanging from the frame it has no hard limit to how far it can move down and tears those soft mounts. I've ordered a replacement kit that includes way more parts than I need and since they're coming from Hong Kong it will probably be a few more weeks before I can get back to flying. I was thinking I could just order some for a different model that maybe has a stateside distributer but I'm having trouble even identifying the part to search for it.
I am not aware of an offering like that. Its more likely someone has designed a more robust 3d print. But I am not aware of that design either. One could be available on thingiverse.com or printables.com
Thx for the review Ordered my 20 yesterday really excited. Question though..Why do people turn on sound of quad in video's? It takes away from hearing the review. Just curious.
The sound of the quad in the video does help audibly discern if the quad is well tuned and how well it flies. Those that have experience flying many quads can get more information from the sound. Its also important for those that might want to know how loud a quad is so if they have neighbors or fly in spaces that might have people or pet in the area they will know if others will be bothered by the sound.
I am not suggesting anything of the sort. The runcam wasp is the camera, the link is the vtx which also has the capabilities of being the radio link if its wired to the sbus pad on the flight controller. Which in this case it is. The link was previously known as the caddx vista and also the DJI air unit lite.
Any news on were the beta fpv meator 75/65 2022 is because I bought one and it is yet to arrive and I asked you were is it about like a moth ago and I bought it with out a review and I am really looking forward for it (I am not mad take your time)
My understanding is the v2 goggles can do both the link/vista as well as the O3, but I would get at least one more source to confirm that. Then there is the goggles2, which should be able to do the same, again need confirmation sources.
What do you think about the sound? Do you think it's loud enough to annoy people? How does it stack up against the others? I'm trying to find something that I can fly in my neighborhood without bothering my neighbors. Thanks!
The quads on my channel are nearly all have betaflight flight control software on them. This requires the betaflight configuration application on a computer and a usb cable to connect quad to computer. In side betaflight is a modes section. Betaflight does not have a cinematic or manual mode, what you might be referring to is angle mode and rate otherwise known as acro mode. Angle mode limits the angle of flight and the quad will continually try to self level the flight, this means we must maintain the desired flight direction with continual radio/stick input. Acro or rate mode means angle isn't on and the quad will follow our input to any angle and will not self level. Modes are assigned to 'aux' which is the radio switches.
it would be cool if you matched your background wallpaper shot of the goggles and remote with the actual goggle and remote setup with antennas being used in the flight test
Another great thorough review. 👍 Might try this one out next. But I'm pretty sure it's not pronounced SINlog. More like CINEmatic, Cinema, Cinematography. Cine as in film, movie, or motion picture.
I have seen much of them. I don’t suspect it’s more than a short lived project. Our props need to be light and low resistance and durable. I don’t think these new (not really new design) are any of these. Boats have used this prop design for decades.
i just broke my second crux35 bottom plate today, not complaining at all, its super tough for what it is, i was chasing a car at 100kph then i full throttle up over the top of the car and i hit a telephone cable crossing the road lol oops, did a super tumble and turtle mode and flew home, then i didnt notice the crack in the frame because the little brace bit was holding it together, it broke inbetween the main body and that little brace, the first one i broke an arm right on the thin part but this one broke in a way where the little brace is still holding it together and i tape on my motor wires so the tape and little brace was holding it together, then my next flight i noticed a bit of jello in my cam lol came in and realised the whole arm was broken and its just the little brace and tape holding it lmfao omg
@@fpvsmurf your right it didnt, but nick did ask to keep him updated on the durability of the crux35 in his reveiw of it, so i plonked my update here due to remembering while watching this reveiw, and i didnt really feel like going to find his reveiw of the crux to add it there plus i figured his probably more likely to see it here on his more recent vid than buring a comment in an old video, the crux35 is 4s crux3 is 1-2s, and the 35 has 3.5inch props i run emax avans and its a rocket ship lol, over the last few months with the 35 i exploded the original 2 peice bell motor and had to glue it back together, sheered the prop stud off another one, broke 2 frames, now im using xing2 1404 3800kv motors with a mamba 20x20 stack and rush ultimate vtx so its a little heavier than stock but more durable, i considered going to a frame like the AOS3.5 but it cost $90aud when a crux35 frame is only $35aud, but its such a pain to swap everything over when you break an arm i would take the heavier frame at this point for the extra durability, but having said that the crux35 frame is quite durable for what it is, its just everythings is going to break with enough abuse lmao and the frame has held up to some massive crashes, so i cant really complain about it and ill prob continue to use it instead of the AOS3.5, the little crux was my upgrade from a tinywhoop i have been flying for around 3 months now, had the crux for maby 2 months or something originally as a bnf, but now its only got the stock camera every other part is upgraded lol
I'm confused. My BetaFPV 95X v3, with bigger 1404 motors, and 2.5" props, so a larger frame, weighs less than this 2" with smaller motors. Mine also has a Vista, but a Crossfire receiver. I built an 85mm with those exact same 2" props and it weighs way, Way less than this review quad. My build also appears to be much smaller in size too... Very compact. It's funny how most manufacturers pay little to no attention to weight, when designing and building commercially available for sale quads. Flywoo does the best job with weight, but I've found we can still save quite a few grams, if not over 10g, on their products! I like my 95X v3 so much, with Chris Rosser's fantastic tune, that I decided even though I have dozens of dramatic crashes, but no breakage, that I better grab another frame just in case. Parts are getting hard to find for older released quads. I found a BetaFPV 95X v3 frame online for $5 on clearance, with 5 bucks shipping from China. $10 shipped for the entire frame! Lol 👍 Anyway, I upgraded the camera to the Nebula Pro Nano, because I like this quad so much and it flies so unbelievably great with that tune. I highly suggest people grab extra parts for quads they really like, before they become extinct. Nice review Nick! Don't know why anyone would buy this 2", when a 2.5 or 3" will fly so much better. But, seems manufacturers have run out of new ideas for quads, so they have to make whatever they can come up with! Lol Not a bad idea for flying in tight locations, being it's so small, but a 2.5" is just a tiny bit bigger with so much more power. 😎🤘
We do have some longer metal standoffs that could be adding weight. Those do allow the prop protection to be removed and the quad still flown. Or it could be the plastics of the prop protection adds more weight than the counter parts.
Not off the top of my head. Generally, I wait for the receiver to go into wifi mode, connect my computer to that wifi and go to http:/10.0.0.0 the target or build that is on the rx will be reported there.
Cinelgo20 sounds awefull. The CineLog25 is much more ear-friendly in my oppinion. I love the 25er because it is fast enough to case something outside and can fly indoor as well.
Nick did you find you had to move the throttle past the half way mark to keep it airborne? I fly a 4S and I cannot believe how much throttle I have to give it to get it up. For real estate tours this is troublesome as I have less control based ion how I position my pinching
unfortunately I don't have memory of my throttle position, but with an HD camera on top I would be surprised if we have to use 50%+ throttle. Not uncommon with 2inch cinewhoops and HD camera.
@@NickBurnsFPV thanks for taking the time to reply, much appreciated from here in the UK, one of the few guys I entrust with information. I tweaked my MID throttle and SCALE values and I think I find a sweet spot. Still learning Betaflight
@@gimbalair I just re read my initial response. A bit of a typo, the "I would be surprised if we" should have been with a "wouldn't". Its good you made the changes in betaflight and not on the radio, its best to make these model tweaks on the model rather than the radio. We can also use a throttle curve to accomplish a change in throttle stick position with our hover/flight point.
About as close as we can get to one of my favorites is the bluejay from rotorgeeks in canada rotorgeeks.com/index.php?route=product/search&search=bluejay another is the firefly 2s nano baby 20 from flywoo and the happymodel bassline, are all very good choices. I have videos on all three.
love and hate with cinewhoop they suppose to safest to fly in building & crowd but the noise... anyway I am very tempted with my friend cinematic video with Cinelog20 but due to noise he didnt fly much during his japan trip.
Just another excuse to come out with a new quad series to be a brand new model for customers to buy. Older gear gets stale and people stop buying them, even though they are very nice quads. Manufacturers ideas have become very stale! They need to use their imaginations! Lol 🙄🤷
@@NickBurnsFPV just seems weird that they'd release something new with the old name and bumpers if they've figured out something new. I thought maybe somehow they had a tiny distinction in their minds even though we can't see it. Thanks for all of your hard work.
@@DMDphotography Yes, I was confused on a new quad with the previous prop guard design. Maybe the new cinebot material is heavier and thus not good for this size of prop/thrust produced.
A couple of things. First I have a partially functions CInelog 25 and I have some mixed opinions. Firstly durability. In my experience is non existent. In cold or warmth even minor crashes going the speed of the first clip have resulted in breaks in the prob guards and when I had a bad one the carbon arm broke. I did frame swap it with a new frame but now it flys weird with a wobble at max throttle. Also after a few more flight my reciver does this weird thing where if I raise the throttle above 20 percent it says bad RX and failsafes. It’s the Frsky xsr. They did send me a replacement reciver for free after talking to their support which was nice but my frames kinda beat and this is no easy repair for me. But seeing this vid makes me want to fix it again! Hopefully all goes well and as I have been flying more and more I crash so few times that hopefully my next frame will last longer. This is because that was my first quad that was not a whoop so I did not really know how everything would feel which resulted in many crashes. Still on the first there was a broken guard. Also if anyone knows of a faster method of getting these prop guards I would appreciate as Geprc shipping on their website is so slow
depending on where your at a local shop might carry the prop protection. Shops generally will carry spare parts of more popular products, so there is a bit of a variable to it.
@@NickBurnsFPV yes unfortunately all the shops in my area are either planes or rc car focused and don’t have drone parts. They are only useful for things like soldering equipment or batteries
@Boom yes, mine is about the same. Years ago I asked about an xt30 or xt60 connector, they had no idea what I was talking about. 😅 Are you in the US? Maybe keep checking, Racedayquads.com, pryrodrone.com, defiancerc.com and GetFPV.com
@@NickBurnsFPV hi and yes I am in the us. My is not as bad they still have basic things like connectors and such. It’s kinda disappointing because in the very early days of fpv years ago they had many parts and things for custom quads. This was when I was very young so I was not into it but I rember my brother made a 5. Inch build from just parts there. Though it must have been a long time ago as it had no osd and used separate esc for every motor
@@boom7837 sounds like it was probably about 5 years ago. We used to (some still do) use separate escs, in the begining of AIO some continued with separate esc as the AIO weren't rated high enough or just weren't reliable enough.
I was wondering if anyone could tell me if I want to get the cinelog 20 with tbs nano Rx reciever and DJI goggles and controller is there anything else I need or it can run like that I'm confused on reciever radio and goggles if anyone can help I'd very much appreciate it
Not certain if I have this correct. But dji goggles and radio/controller? If so we don't need the tbs nano receiver. The O3 air unit as well as the vista/link have the ability to not only provide video transmission but control link
@@NickBurnsFPV so I'm just confused in the part it's asking me what reciever do I want when I try buy drone of geprc and idk which to choose to be able to run my setup
oh that is a tough one. I suspect the KT20 as I have reports of the cinelog20 can still be broken, but no reports of the KT20 guards breaking. That could be a sample size issue if one is more popular than the other.
@@NickBurnsFPV actually i have the KT20 sir, and the prop guard is really tough, it just really break when crashed harder in cement pavement.. If you still remember i always chat you in messenger (Raymond dev), yes my kt20 still fly's great, but i was thinking of getting another 2inch cinewhoop (cinelog20) to avoid my kt20 being overused 🙂
@@Quad8ightMix I would take a strong look the xi20 from oddityRC. I find they have the overall best cinewhoops I have flown. They do cost more and they are a smaller fpv manufacturer.
@@NickBurnsFPV unfortunately oddity products are not available from my country, it's just geprc, betafpv, darwinfpv, Hglrc, Speedybee are only available to choose from..
Depending on version maybe ~750mah, but what might matter more is quality of battery. A poor quality larger battery will give less flight time than a smaller high quality battery.
I looked through most all your vids and I wondered, WHY doesn't Nick have build vids ? The ( to me ) number one micro pilot, reviewer , on the tube, who has always answered the questions and supplied the help, why doesn't he have his own Micro quad and build vids and kits ? Have you considered that ? Now with your yard on a SIM and over 51K subs , is that a possibility some time in the near future teaming up with many suppliers / manufacturers /Hobby Shops, whom I would assume would love to join in and help make that possible ? ( sub 250 is the way to go ) With these newer 2S little guys a Nick Burns 1S and 2S quad kit should be a money making endeavor and if nothing else a grand adventure for many to get into the hobby and get more into the micro world of RC Aviation. Just a thought and a hope one day that could possibly come to pass. Thanks Nick for all you do in this Hobby community, your greatly appreciated and just wanted to let you know, you are .
@@fangost it can but I don't suggest it for someone starting out. If we change props we can potentially need to change the pid tune or filters which isn't something most want to take one early in their fpv journey.
I personally think 2 inch is kinda small for a gopro, but when special needs arise it would work. This is the first 13xx motor i've seen on a whoop sized qwad , nice. more power=more fun.
