German Paratroopers against England? 

I find it really interesting that the automatically made subtitles (English) put out more words in German than in English.

Further reply to your post Michael This is worth watching also - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ws3p6uWW19U.html

remember to invade newfoundland first and put one soldier's foot in canada. then you can annex canada and have a nice big front for rolling up the US with

Doesn’t work anymore with not one step back

Love to see that map - has it been posted anywhere online?

@@PatGilliland I know I have it, bit of a hunt to actually locate it. I'll find a way when I do. Best

@@PatGilliland MAINWARING!

I heard a story a couple of times of a Former Faschirmjager (injured bad enough to not jump again) who's primary duty was a Rigger at the Parachute school was sent over to drop dummies wile an other plane in his flight was to drop Agents, his plane was shot down over the south coast and he saw out the rest of the war in a POW camp in Canada. other times I heard he was resigned to air crew on a bomber, most of the times I herd it the teller said it was most probaly not true but was in the realm of possibility.

Interesting points. Quick question, did the British have a radar installation on Crete? And did they have much in the way of anti aircraft batteries? Wonder what a compare and contrast looks like? My guess is the base(s) on Crete were not really ready for putting up a strong defense, and then the evacuation from the Greek mainland created a whole bunch of chaos / disruption. What are your thoughts though?

@@michaeldunne338 no they didn't have radar on crete

Until the Germans showed its possible, the Ardennes was seen by military experts as impossible to cross with tanks. Exercises in France had shown, that the France army can defeat the Germans easy, if they had a superiority in tanks. On Krete, the British was so sure, they will beat the Falschirmjäger. And so on. Eben Emael, the impossible to take fort, was taken by 88 Falschirmjäger. WW2 has shown so many times, that your simple armchair general logic and paper tigers are not working. Falschirmjäger, supported by Stugs transported by something like the ME321, would have brought the British in serious troubles.

@@michaelschmid9567 Arnem look it up

@@beanman853 Arnem? Do your mean the Operation Market Garden, in fall 44, where not-so-talented British and US(82th and 101th) and a polish parachute division try to copy the Falschirmjäger, and failed? Where the British had to made a movie later on (a bridge too far), to blame the radios for the failure, to re-glorify there troops? What should I look up for Arnem?

Yeh Goebbels was easily one of the more competent of the Nazi leaders in his role .

@@mathewkelly9968 I'd wager he was the single most competent of all the high level Nazis. Most of them seem like cartoon caricatures writ in real life, but Goebbels was scary good at his job.

Glad you enjoyed it!

I am pretty sure it is called "The Eagle Has Landed", and that there was even a movie made after it. It was a good book!

@@Grubnar Yugoslav translated novel as "Kidnapping Churchill".

@Mialisus plan was to get him to a German torpedo boat because they have a strong intelligence on the coastal village. Some Irish guy named Liam Devlin was dropped by parachute and also one woman as an old German spy. She has a relationship with the province chairman so provided them strong supply. It's an awesome novel.

He got the idea for a group of German soldiers infiltrating an British town from the movie "Went the Day Well?". Many scenes in the book and movie were clearly inspired by the British movie from 1942

@@mark12strang58 Which in turn was derived from the short story: "The Lieutenant Died Last" by Graham Greene. The postmistress is a total badass.

Damn good old fashioned war movie is 'Went The Day Well?'

The Luftwaffe was the most pro nazi part of the German armed services. While the army and the Navy had long been reforming and rearming under the Weimar republic already before the Nazi rise to power, the Luftwaffe was mostly formed during the Nazi period.

there was a movie ,and therefore it really happened...right`?

@@oddballsok according to the author Jack Higgans it did he found a secret monument in a small village on the southern coast of England. Now that could be just the opening paragraph of a novel or it could be hiding the truth by acknowledging it and calling it fiction

Actually, thinking about it, the chapter on airborne invasion would make a great video for you. It covers the number of planes the luftwaffe had, the number of men per plane, the equipment, how they had to jump without long weapons, and how it would fit into to the Seelöwe plans.

If I remember correctly (and I may not, it has been a long time now), I think the intent was the paratroops were supposed to establish a bridgehead (or more accurately, a port-head) by capturing port facilities where reinforcements could be landed for the main invasion of England. Thus fairly high paratroop losses would have been acceptable, given that they could still capture and interdict some port facilities. Of course all that was still delusional as long as the Royal Navy was reasonably intact, since they could have stopped any real reinforcement of mass troops across the water. And as someone else pointed out, the Home Guard would likely have done considerable damage to the airborne troops, since by definition they would have had to be landing near and taking a reasonably populated area.

Real story generals dragged their feet and AH turned his head to Russia

We should also remember that the garrison on Crete was largely troops evacuated from the beaches in Greece who had left their heavy equipment behind. Although some artillery was sent from Egypt to reequip the arty units it was old WW1 guns not 25-pounders. (I suspect GHQ Cairo knew Crete was a lost cause and didn't want to sacrifice its best gear) Some gunners had to fight as infantry because of lack of artillery. Radios and signal gear were in short supply making command and control difficult and a lack of motor transport made rapid reinforcement at danger points nigh impossible. Also the garrison was not a balanced force since it consisted of whatever troops had been disembarked in Crete in order that the ships could quickly turn around and go back to pick up more. Some troops were disembarked in Egypt - I think these were probably the last ones off the Peloponnesian beaches but I'd have to check the books on that. Finally Freyberg was forbidden to alter his defensive plan on the basis of Ultra intelligence lest he alert the Germans that the British were reading their mail. Freyberg's command was doomed from the start. In retrospect it was just as well that the defence of Crete failed when it did. The LW had airfields to the NW on the Greek mainland and to the NE in the Italian Dodecanese islands. All Crete's ports are on the north coast and convoys would have been under constant air attack in attempting to keep the island supplied. The RAF and RN would be bled dry in the process and when they inevitably failed the fall of the island would be just a matter of time. The real failure was the decision to defend Crete in the first place. If the paratroopers had such difficulty in overcoming a scratch force on Crete they would have had no chance against regular Army units in Britain. The problem for airborne units is they are too lightly equipped and have no resupply of ammunition if engaged in heavy fighting - Arnhem being an obvious example. Paratroops are effective at seizing lightly defended objectives by surprise and being rapidly relieved by conventional ground troops shortly afterward. Since the possibility of a successful Sealion landing was nil, an airborne assault on GB was a non-starter to begin with.

@@stuartm2106 You try to glorify the British, where they was not glory. The British could read the german radios, they knew in advance where the Germans would land, they knew place, strength and exact date in advance. The British had all time, to install the troops required, and they had then a numerical superior force, with heavy artillery, place. But in the end, again a numerical superior British force lost against outnumbered, outgunned German force, even they knew the German landing date and place in advance!

yeah, if they would have landed in England, they would have used a bigger force then for Crete. Imagine a few thousands ME321, each with 200 men or a Panzer IV, or a Stug. The Falschirmjäger would just secure the landing zones, or took some bridges. Like Market Garden, but 10 times bigger.

@@michaelschmid9567 They would still be without support since the Kriegsmarine had no chance in defending the actual landing forces. Good luck winning with isolated Paratroopers. The Me 321 wasnt even ready until 1941, stop talking bullshit.

@@kassthered8452 The Kriegsmarine is not important. As long as the Luftwaffe bomb out every British ship what comes close, nobody need the Kriegsmarine. Well, as transport ships for supplies, and men. And yes, it needs a year, to produce enough ME321, and change the german war production away from tank mass production to airforce mass production. So the invasion in England will be mid 41 earliest.

Might happen, but unlikely. I got the one for the complete WW2 once, but didn't have time for it.

@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized oh alright, yeah maybe start with that one some day

;) na different days of recording. I think some videos contain exact dates. First day: three-piece with tie, I think second day was three-piece without tie, third day I can't remember; but the two videos outside with Jens Wehner were done in the very last hours, I think those are the only ones I only use a vest and a tie(?).

Not really, air fields are usually a bit away from water and subs have very limited capacity. Among a lot of other factors.

The only part of Britain they could have reached was England or would have initially wanted to reach. Which is where the arrow points to.

Yes it will

they did have a panzer outside buckingham palace at one point

@@pnutz_2 That would be an interesting story! When was it there, how did they get it, and why was it on display at Buckingham Palace?

@@alancranford3398 after it was captured in north africa, tiger 131 was put on public display

@@pnutz_2 Thanks. That was an impressive war trophy--sometime after Operation Sea Lion was cancelled. Still impressive, shipped from North Africa to London in the middle of a war.

Correction - fortunately for the German army. For a certainty the only Germans to have seen the streets of London would have been the POW's Churchill would have found it impossible not to parade through the streets for propaganda and morale purposes.

0:00 Hello everyone. Today ve talk about the Green Devils and propaganda. Um, are these different things? Slightly after 1:00 "In ze Battle of Britain zere were some defeats and some backsettings..." Jerry's a clever chap but he hasn't quite got the hang of this understatement thingy, I fancy

@@pwmiles56 That´s not what´s said in the video.

Better than the comments from the Germans who still think they had super soldiers ......... despite going 0-2 in world wars . Germany hasn't won a war since 1871

@@mathewkelly9968 Better? It´s the same. Coming from people with the same mindset even if they´re from different nations. Period. And to be clear about that: I don´t care who has won or lost or whatever. THAT Germany has cease to exist after 1945 - and I don´t care if some modern Germans or from whatever nation think it´s a thing still going on. The world has changed. If people cling to the past, fine! They´re leading their own nation to the death nowadays. With or without conflict. Welcome to the 21st century.

Ship borne guns are better than land-based guns: they move, they are bigger, they have automated loading of huge shells, they have plenty of ammunition. But Germany should have massed dive bombers, if they had realized just how vulnerable capital ships would be and are to dive bombers.

@@christobalcolon6601 Well, coastal batteries can be at least as big, and protected by bunkers. And if they can have automatic loading on a ship, fixed guns can have it too. Junkers stukas could have been used better, but they would never deny the British access to the English channel.

@@christobalcolon6601 At the time of the threat 1940/1 the Luftwaffe had no armour piercing bombs to cause any sort of major damage to a warship. Merchant ships were vulnerable to HE and aircraft cannon fire but the British surface fleet had little to worry about from German bombers in this period. They could still do some damage but the penetration of the armour plate was minimal. I believe the shore batteries at Dover were superior to the guns on the French coast though that particular area was labelled Hellfire Corner by the ships which had to use that route. The defences at Dover were enormous. If you ever have the chance you should visit. Some of the forts are now open to the public.

@@scaleyback217 Yes. I appears inept that the Luftwaffe (1) could not, in a week, modify fighters for extended range with even improvised drop tanks, (2) could not, in a week, modify naval AP shells to use as bombs, which the Japanese employed both.

@@christobalcolon6601 Oh dear Christobal. Don't be silly, they could have done all of that but most assuredly not in a week. Industry did not work like that at that time. Indeed they did have a whole host of improvements which may have helped. The problem is, as history has shown none of it would have been in the time frame (a very small window) which could have been of real use to the aim of invading the UK. If there was little chance of success (well none really) by the end of 1940 the chances by the end of 1941 would not have improved. What had improved was the British industrial capability and the ability to recruit train and equip about three million soldiers from the empire and commonwealth - a lagre number of which could and in some cases were sent to the UK. Shortly afterwards we had the Americans showing up in large numbers so when exactly do you think these drop tanks and bombs for the Luftwaffe might have been ready to make the British Isles recoil in horror and fear and throw their arms up in abject surrender. Please inform us. The Japanese employed air power to greater, though only temporary success. Their big problem was they thought poor logistics only affected British Empire, Dutch and US forces and their own troops would never require this modern logistics shit. Well the 14th Army in Burma shook them out of that little dream and chased and killed them in huge numbers right to where they started only this time they had no rice or rounds to fight with 'cos the Allies had cut off all of their logistics. By the way you are absolutely correct the Luftwaffe was shown up as being pretty inept. Imagine having no reliable four engine bomber and putting into service a whole new generation of of jet fighters two years before they were ready and thus losing so many of them through lack of design evolution and trials and training the crews etc - yes pretty inept all in all. Thank you for pointing that out.

If they had thought it possible they would have done it. The reason they did not even try tells you all you need to know - it just quite simply was not possible. Even if you discount the RN being able to intervene. The British had enough equipment built up to re-equip 27 divisions in the defence of that corner of England. There were something like 6 divisions close by. Further thay had taken delivery by the end of 1940 of about 600,000 rilfles, shotguns, SMG's and a variety of BAR's and Lewis guns from Canada and the USA and if my memory servies me right about 3,000 75MM artillery peices on top of the 25 pdrs just rolling out of the factories. A maximum of a hundred thousand Germans could have been transported in the first wave - how many would have made it to the south coast given the river barges and the way they behave in even a slight swell and the kind attentions of the RAF and the shore batteries all along the invasion beaches. Then having got through that to be met with five (at least) inf divisions and one armoured division and half a million p'd off grumpy old sods with a weapon and a grudge. Would have made a great film!

@@scaleyback217 Another problem the German troops would have had with a Britain invasion would be with re-supplying. Look at the tonnage the Allies forces needed on D-Day, and in the days afterwards, just to make its way inland and to fend-off counterattacks. The maritime fleet Germany had would not have been up to the task to keep the German offensive supplied when progressing from the beaches.

@@bloqk16 Indeed it is the major problem. Something I have outlined at any time I come across this nonsense that any invasion by the Germans be it in 1939 or 1945 was doomed to fail completely. A short answer to that oft asked question is this - If the Germans thought they could have done it they would have done it. They could not thus they did not and neverr would.

After the British knew the exact landing time and place in advance on Krete, they thought the same. We know the outcome.

@@michaelschmid9567 The troops on Crete were exhausted from fighting in greece and without their heavy equipment. They also got support from naval landings which wouldn't have happened in Britain.

@@kassthered8452 The allied troops had 50 AA guns, 16 Cruiser-Mk-I-Tanks, 9 Matilda-II-Tanks, 16 Mk-VI-Tanks, a huge numbers of grenade launchers, and artillery of all calibres, old and new. 14.000 British soldier was stationed in Crete, and did not fought in Greece before. At lease these 14k was not exhausted.

Night drop, unarmed cops not going to take an airborne solider. Raf busy with bombers Ra busy with invasion

@@demonprinces17 First off, learn English before you try and use it. Secondly, do tell, how often *did* the Luftwaffe get the better of the RAF? Answer: Fucking never.

The worthless Luftwaffe could not have dropped any forces, in decent numbers, in Wales/Scotland/Occupied Ireland. Only on England.

​@@andreinarangel6227 Pretty much lol, also just pointless to even try cause they'd be even further from any possible relief forces that would probably fail to make it across the channel anyway

In most people’s minds, including the minds of academics, England IS The United Kingdom. Very much like how most people think about New York City and the State of New York. Most people who say “New York” mean NYC, not the State of New York. I’m not justifying this. It’s a product of terrible ignorance. But it’s how most people see it.

Sure. They could never take Eben Emael. Not with 88 men, come one, stop kidding. A whole division can not make 480km in Norway in a few days, never. Haha, with tanks thru the Ardenns, thats impossible.

@@michaelschmid9567 England is not Belgium or Norway. In Belgium they used high explosives from the roof of the fort. In Norway they thought there was many more troops invading than there actually was. It would be possible to take a small town or village in England, landing in Scotland to create a huge diversion might have worked. Southern Britian was out of the question.

Who's guns and equipment left at Dunkirk

@@demonprinces17 Nowhere near enough was lost to make any invasion possible - or it would have happened. It did not because the Gereman commanders knew it could not be done. Within about 6 months all of what was lost was replaced. The only thing which could not be replaced was the manpower and there were enough British/French/Belgian/Polish/Czechs taken off the beaches to ensure no German army was ever going to set foot on an English beach.

@@scaleyback217 the same generals who didn't want to go to the rineland, sutdenland until ah kicked them in the ass

Did the Bismarck have wheels on the bottom or something? I also missed the information about how the Luftwaffe attacked the Home Fleet. Channel convoys sure but Scapa Flow not so much. Super battleships don't win wars, just ask the Japanese. The U boats were a much larger threat than convoy raiders. As far as German espionage goes, what I have read indicated that a good number of spies were turned by British Intelligence and fed misinformation to relay. I wonder if anyone can point to a major german amphibious invasion that succeeded? Norway was a painful learning experience and that one is the only one I can remember.

@@f4ephantom Lets make an thought experiment: After the fall of France, Hitler did not invade into the sowjet union, but instead continue the preparation of the invasion in England. Shut down the massive tank production, and increase the airforce production instead. Particular, force the mass production of the ME321 (what can be produced in any furniture factory in Germany, Austria, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, France, Holland), to have 10k of the ME321 in mid 41. A ME321 can transport a Stug, or a Panzer, or 200 men. Having a thousand tanks, and a few hundred thousand elite troops in there rear, the British would have big troubles. About the home fleet: Where is was, it was outside of the range of most German bombers, particular the single engine Stukas (JU-87). If the Germans took Dover, the home fleet would have to come out of its save harbour, into the Channel, where it would be in range of all German bombers. And as we saw in the pacific: no war ship in WW2 stand any chance, when in range of a modern bomber fleet. So, with air superiority by the Germans, England would have fallen.

@@michaelschmid9567 Well, unfortunately that thought experiment falls down fairly quickly. 10,000 Gigants? 60,000 engines to be produced in furniture factories? In 1941? They weren't even produced until June 1941, and by April 1942 production had stopped after only 200 built. By the time the Gigant was even viable the Battle of Britain was over, and America was in the war, and Sealion had been shelved for six months. You may as well argue that they could have flown the StGs in on a million 747s.

@@feartheellipsis6608 No, i was talking about the ME321, the glider. Not the ME323, what had 6 engines. It had to be said, that Hitler abandonded the idea of an invasion in England, because his plan to invade into the Sowjet Union. Thats why so less effort was brought into the ME321, and other weapon development. If the war production would have be optimized for an invasion in England, the ME321 would have been developed faster and in much higher numbers.

and Prins of Wales and Repuls was not sinked by airpower, and the Germans will beleve in sportsmanship and not attack the mine-sweepers. I do think Sealion will be hard to pull of, but look what happen in Norway. Not all was pro-war after the war, but there was a falang who wanted peace. Lets stop the war-monger Churchill before its to late.

And you are delusional.

As a Englishman thier English is better than some of my fellow Englishmen! And a million times better than my German. Being able to speak multiple Languages is a gift.

That's one hell of a priviledged statement to make. I know that english/american people generally only speak one language but this is so stupid to say.

I understood these guy's better than Blokes . No CC needed . !

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