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@maciejterakowski9062
@maciejterakowski9062 3 месяца назад
It is rather "to guess", not "to solve"
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Thank you for your comment ❤️💖
@jb.drills
@jb.drills 3 месяца назад
This why enterpreneurs are good on arithmetics but not good at algebra
@mathophilechirag
@mathophilechirag 3 месяца назад
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@urwahhassoon6886
@urwahhassoon6886 3 месяца назад
there is something called “mathematical induction” it is legit
@張三豐-l4v
@張三豐-l4v 2 месяца назад
這確實不是好的解答
@vvv1041
@vvv1041 3 месяца назад
This method isn’t analytical. For instance, it doesn’t answer if this equation has only one solution. For the similar equations like that but with different coefficients it will not work.
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Thank you for your comment ❤️💖
@jursamaj
@jursamaj 3 месяца назад
Indeed, there are 2 other real solutions, plus multiple families of complex solutions.
@sergeykardash4482
@sergeykardash4482 3 месяца назад
​​@@jursamaj1 more real...
@zorg6020
@zorg6020 2 месяца назад
Есть и проще решение чем то что в видео. Найти решение на пересечении графиков функций. Вот и все.
@cristinap.7498
@cristinap.7498 Месяц назад
A me basterebbe trovarne una
@timmy18135
@timmy18135 3 месяца назад
Just use logarithm
@progr6171
@progr6171 3 месяца назад
Geterosexual logarithm*
@saturninufolud6767
@saturninufolud6767 3 месяца назад
You would receive something with the Lambert W function (irrational in general)
@progr6171
@progr6171 3 месяца назад
mу соmmеnt wаs dеlеtеd.... It sаid: hеtеrоsехuаl lоgаrithm
@gmddlex5873
@gmddlex5873 3 месяца назад
​@@progr6171спалился
@AW-dt8ct
@AW-dt8ct 3 месяца назад
​​@@progr6171 And is there the homosexual one?
@howardhavlicsek5031
@howardhavlicsek5031 4 месяца назад
Doesn't look like anyone is willing to solve the problem, just guess at a solution! What if the problem was 2^x = x^31?
@dhy5342
@dhy5342 4 месяца назад
Then X would equal 1.0231407...
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Thank you for your comment ❤️
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Thank you for your comment ❤️💖
@MKPoqdPDeamimzpygxDjg7sJY59
@MKPoqdPDeamimzpygxDjg7sJY59 3 месяца назад
@@dhy5342 or about 246.266
@jursamaj
@jursamaj 3 месяца назад
@@dhy5342 Also 246.266…, plus 5 families of complex answers.
@oguzkk
@oguzkk Месяц назад
Solution set of This equation has three real roots. One of them is 256. in the question, it has to be stated that x was an integer.
@markharder3676
@markharder3676 4 месяца назад
Take a guess and assume that like 32, the answer is a power of two. Use logarithms in base 2 because log(2, 2^x) = x. and log(2, x^32) = 32 log(2, x). Or, x = 32 log(2, x). So x / log(2,x) = 32. This can be solved by inspection, again beginning with powers of 2: x is divided by x as some power of 2, Trying a few values of x we see that log(2,256) = 8 and 256/8 = 32.
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 4 месяца назад
Thank you for your comment ❤️💖
@rickkwitkoski1976
@rickkwitkoski1976 4 месяца назад
@markharder3676 Thank you.
@diwakaranvalangaimanmani3777
@diwakaranvalangaimanmani3777 4 месяца назад
This method for people who don’t know logarithm
@b213videoz
@b213videoz 4 месяца назад
Very convoluted
@antoniopetrolagarrigos9771
@antoniopetrolagarrigos9771 3 месяца назад
​@@diwakaranvalangaimanmani3777if you know exponents you have to know logaritms😂
@77das
@77das 3 месяца назад
Сложно назвать это математическим методом решения, скорее простой подбор.
@elmanmusaiev7003
@elmanmusaiev7003 3 месяца назад
Это не совсем подбор. Методология и тактика тут есть. Подбор был сделан под конец, что подпортило эффект. Подбора можно было и не делать. Но понадобилась бы вычислит машина. И снова была б критика ))
@ArinaAnn
@ArinaAnn 3 месяца назад
​@@elmanmusaiev7003 зачем машина, выше правильно про логарифмы написали. А показаний способ это все же подбор.
@jamesmarshall7756
@jamesmarshall7756 4 месяца назад
I use the Lambert W function to resolve x^32=2^x. «ln» both sides : 32 lnx= x ln2. So lnx/x = ln2/32 the same as (x^-1) lnx = ln2/32. x^-1 = e(ln(x^-1)) and lnx = -ln(x^-1). So we have : e(lnx^-1) x ln(x^-1)= -ln2/32. So lnx^-1 = W(-ln2/32). «e» both sides : x = 1/(e(W(-ln2/32))
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 4 месяца назад
Thank u for your solution ❤️💕💖
@aleksandrajones4101
@aleksandrajones4101 3 месяца назад
So what about x=1.022 and x=-0.979?
@luzak2k
@luzak2k 2 месяца назад
Error
@daniel-mircea
@daniel-mircea Месяц назад
these are the other two real solution of the equation.
@pub7496
@pub7496 4 месяца назад
Thanks for the interesting problem. I liked the way you present. Subscribing
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 4 месяца назад
Thank u dear sir❤️💖
@chrisj5443
@chrisj5443 4 месяца назад
A couple minutes of trial and error yielded x=1.0225 or thereabouts.
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 4 месяца назад
Thank you for your comment ❤️
@Sci-Marvels
@Sci-Marvels 17 дней назад
Nice work! Sometimes a bit of trial and error can quickly lead you to a close approximation
@ЛарисаРашевская-э3щ
@ЛарисаРашевская-э3щ 3 месяца назад
Если условие найти натуральный корень, то решение класс, если количество корней, то по графику видно два и третий, который 256, его надо догадаться, за интересное уравнение спасибо!
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Thanks 💕
@Sci-Marvels
@Sci-Marvels 17 дней назад
Согласен, если условие - найти натуральный корень, то решение отлично подходит. Но по графику действительно видно два корня, а третий, который равен 256, нужно догадаться. Спасибо за интересное замечание и внимание к уравнению!
@Alex_the_engineer737
@Alex_the_engineer737 3 месяца назад
Если расписать левую и правую часть как функции, то за счёт чётности, функция f(x)=X^32 будет пересекать функцию g(x)=2^x в двух точках: одно решение потеряно. P. S. ради интереса забил в Desmosе эти 2 функции и абсциссы их пересечений равны 1.022 и -0.979. Вот так вот интересно.
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Good work
@ЛарисаРашевская-э3щ
@ЛарисаРашевская-э3щ 3 месяца назад
Думаю, что не ординаты, а абсциссы, но их три, еще 256
@Alex_the_engineer737
@Alex_the_engineer737 3 месяца назад
@@ЛарисаРашевская-э3щ Спасибо, исправил
@Swamisonic18
@Swamisonic18 3 месяца назад
​@@Alex_the_engineer737 Yes same bro, but i can't find x= 256 in desmos plotting, why so? It shows only 2 intersections😢😢
@Alex_the_engineer737
@Alex_the_engineer737 3 месяца назад
@@Swamisonic18 Most likely, this is due to the fact that the polynomial of the nth degree has at most n roots. In our case, this is a polynomial of the 32nd degree on the right side, which essentially limits the number of roots of this equation. That is, in this equation it has already been proved that there are at least 3 real roots, and all the others are complex. (Unless we find other real roots)
@jamesmarshall7756
@jamesmarshall7756 4 месяца назад
The difference between \(2^{1.0224}\) and \((1.0224)^{32}\) is approximately \(-0.00044\). This small discrepancy indicates that \(1.0224\) is a very close approximation to the solution of the equation \(2^x = x^{32}\). ChatGPT
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 4 месяца назад
Thank you for your comment ❤️
@malinauagar4344
@malinauagar4344 2 месяца назад
This type of problem is still big problem fot gpt but it can solve it in the end, wiil wait fifth gen.
@leviansilva1102
@leviansilva1102 2 месяца назад
A matemática é um jogo fascinante!!! Gostei.
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 2 месяца назад
Thank u for your comment ❤️
@aneedfortheory
@aneedfortheory 2 месяца назад
If you need to resort to manipulating in the way that you did, I think switching to logarithms is far easier. You simply have to find a multiple of 32 that includes as a factor a log to the base of 2 that generates itself....namely 256, which is 32 times log to the base 2 of, you guessed it, 256. If the kids are in the Olympiad selection process, that kind of arithmetic via logs is child's play to them.
@Observer1973
@Observer1973 3 месяца назад
You have lost two additional roots.
@busraakagunduz.
@busraakagunduz. Месяц назад
Soruyu gereksiz uzatmış. Her iki tarafın logaritmasını alsa zaten sonuç çıkardı
@kusumikasiddhanta607
@kusumikasiddhanta607 2 месяца назад
Using logarithmic fuction is the true solution for this particular sum...because it is not a solution unless you are able to solve all the similar types of sums using that method, irrespective of the base and the exponent...for example if it was 31 instead of 32...using this method would have fetched us nothing at all.
@erkincakar7966
@erkincakar7966 Месяц назад
2 base 4=4 base 2 32×4=128×2=256
@ardalex4277
@ardalex4277 2 месяца назад
The answer is not complete. I guess there is another solution in (-1,0) interval. And another one in (1, 2) interval.
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 2 месяца назад
Yes dear i mention already
@richardrakamazi5754
@richardrakamazi5754 3 месяца назад
x^(1/x) is a monotone decreasing function if x>e, then the equation x^(1/x)=2^(1/32) has at most one real solution. x=256 works, so no other real soultion.
@daniel-mircea
@daniel-mircea Месяц назад
not at all. there are other two real solutions: x=1.022 and x=-0.979
@richardrakamazi5754
@richardrakamazi5754 Месяц назад
@@daniel-mircea ,,if x>e no other real solution than x=256
@alexeyevgenevich9821
@alexeyevgenevich9821 4 месяца назад
2^256 = 1,1579*10^(77)
@달의몰락-x2r
@달의몰락-x2r Месяц назад
Using a graphic calculator, I checked the points of contact between the two functions other than x=256. After that, based on the two coordinate values, I was able to plug more specific numbers into the given equation and found two values ​​that were close to the correct answer. x=-0.979016935 x=1.0223929402
@ИванСафронов-ж9с
@ИванСафронов-ж9с 3 месяца назад
А разве данное уравнение имеет не 3 решения? Автор указал всего 1, но их 3
@soshakobyan3123
@soshakobyan3123 2 месяца назад
This is guess and check method, so you must prove there are no other solutions.
@SameerMalik-ur8gb
@SameerMalik-ur8gb 5 дней назад
When u know the answer and try to get it anyhow 😂😂
@EliabBezerrademello
@EliabBezerrademello 3 месяца назад
I DONT UNSESTAND THE FINAL
@nenemtiaof5016
@nenemtiaof5016 4 месяца назад
Where are the same bases ?
@tihanyilaci
@tihanyilaci Месяц назад
Wow. So X^2=2^2 means x=2 is the only solution?
@YasinBEY-eo1ng
@YasinBEY-eo1ng 3 месяца назад
Şöyle bi bakayım dedim denerken buldumn😅256 deneme yanılma cikiyor
@АлексейЯкушин-щ4й
@АлексейЯкушин-щ4й 4 месяца назад
But you don't proof that is only one solution. In naturals, yes, one 256, but in reals is one more root at interval [1,2]
@anton-ke4qz
@anton-ke4qz 4 месяца назад
But Why we don’t do any not equivalent transformation? Or do? To loose another solution in real numbers? Or there is negative solutions have been lost?
@АлексейЯкушин-щ4й
@АлексейЯкушин-щ4й 4 месяца назад
​@@anton-ke4qzThis solution is not correct
@DumAndSmart
@DumAndSmart 3 месяца назад
Take log two of both sides then you get X equals log base two of x multiplied by 32 other words what number when you take it’s logarithm it does the same thing as dividing it by 32. You can make educated guesses until you stubble upon 256.
@Sci-Marvels
@Sci-Marvels 17 дней назад
Great approach! Taking the log base 2 of both sides definitely simplifies the equation to x = log base 2 of x multiplied by 32. As you mentioned, making educated guesses can eventually lead to finding that x = 256. Thanks for sharing this insightful method!
@tshepomalalane4140
@tshepomalalane4140 22 дня назад
Beautiful 🫡
@FarazBeg
@FarazBeg 2 месяца назад
I don't mind the method, but do mind the time it took
@СергейПопов-э9о
@СергейПопов-э9о 4 месяца назад
Thanks for the video. Maybe someone knows how to find these two more solutions for this problem? (~ -0.979 and 1.0225)
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 4 месяца назад
Thank you for your comment ❤️
@screemer949
@screemer949 3 месяца назад
Yes, I published actual solution in comments
@AlfredoMartinez-hm2tb
@AlfredoMartinez-hm2tb 3 месяца назад
Es una solución para estos exponentes con otros exponentes no funciona, no es un método solo es una solución, con logaritmos es más fácil resolver este tipo de ecuaciones.
@jojojo7333
@jojojo7333 9 дней назад
Now solve 4.67^x=X^23.4
@Yacine-e9p
@Yacine-e9p Месяц назад
Suite de fonction ; introduction à la série de Fourier
@MrTaiado
@MrTaiado 3 месяца назад
há mais de uma maneira de fazer, mas foi uma bela solução!!!
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Thank you for your comment ❤️
@АнтонСергеев-ъ9н
@АнтонСергеев-ъ9н Месяц назад
Дайте угадаю: через логорифмы?
@ЭдПетр
@ЭдПетр 3 месяца назад
-0.979 approximately next solution. There are three solutions
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Thank you for your comment ❤️💖
@tolniks
@tolniks Месяц назад
Это не единственное решение. Есть ещё два
@荒巻-b8m
@荒巻-b8m 3 месяца назад
Another answer is approximately x=1.023.
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Good work
@yogamulyadi2046
@yogamulyadi2046 2 месяца назад
x=2^n=32n n=2^(n-5)=8 x=2^8=256
@НашалабайРаджик
@НашалабайРаджик 3 месяца назад
Повезло, что показатель степени справа не 1024 😂
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@tahamuhammad5962 2 месяца назад
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@servetoksuz7153
@servetoksuz7153 10 дней назад
Just say x=2^a, than solve for a. That would br a lot faster.
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 9 дней назад
👍
@純蛋白質
@純蛋白質 3 месяца назад
Easy Question , you did it to difficulty.
@MrPsubbara
@MrPsubbara 2 месяца назад
This equation has infinite answers. That's only one of the answers or roots
@Durga.Devi123
@Durga.Devi123 2 месяца назад
Sir if there is any G chat available? Through gmail so can discuss further regarding to topic
@jeanpierre7971
@jeanpierre7971 4 месяца назад
Don't you need to prove that x -> x^(1/x) is bijective?
@Drestanto
@Drestanto 4 месяца назад
not really as long as you do the verification at the end
@jeanpierre7971
@jeanpierre7971 4 месяца назад
@@Drestanto Then what guarantees that there is no other solution?
@Drestanto
@Drestanto 4 месяца назад
@@jeanpierre7971 yes, there's no guarantee for a unique solution If it's bijective, it has a unique sol What I meant is that x -> x^(1/x) does not need to be bijective to make one solution works as long as there is a verification at the end
@jakefromstatefarm6969
@jakefromstatefarm6969 4 месяца назад
Given that this is a competition question posed to us, there is no need to prove anything. All that is needed is determining a solution, not proving that it is a unique solution.
@pedjolinko
@pedjolinko 4 месяца назад
@@jakefromstatefarm6969 You are very wrong. First of all, there are two solutions though only one is an integer.
@EasyMathSteps-SolveItEasy
@EasyMathSteps-SolveItEasy 3 месяца назад
Pretty elegant solution! Thank you!
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Thanks for your helpful comment ❤️
@laith.alzubaidi
@laith.alzubaidi 3 месяца назад
using log is simplfy the equation
@蔡木章
@蔡木章 4 месяца назад
Very good thanks
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 4 месяца назад
Thanks for your comment ❤️💖
@I_live_in_Siberia
@I_live_in_Siberia 3 месяца назад
Вот мне в жизни нигде это не пригодилось(((
@stevenschmidt
@stevenschmidt 4 месяца назад
256 isn't the only solution.
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 4 месяца назад
Dear sir u can solve ❤️💖💕
@vishnusir7838
@vishnusir7838 2 месяца назад
Log kis din Kam ayega Bhai
@mcrow312166
@mcrow312166 4 месяца назад
I love the way you communicate without words.
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 4 месяца назад
Thank you for your comment ❤️
@davidbrown8763
@davidbrown8763 4 месяца назад
...and with decent music, unlike so many other channels. I have just liked and subscribed.
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 4 месяца назад
@@davidbrown8763 thank you dear sir.supor my channel thank u💖❤️🎉
@davidbrown8763
@davidbrown8763 4 месяца назад
@@K.Klogic I am a supporter.
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 4 месяца назад
@@davidbrown8763 thank you dear..
@agniksen8507
@agniksen8507 4 месяца назад
Will the person even have the time left to finish the exam?? 😒😒
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
No dear sir ❤️💖
@DuyTran-uj1cv
@DuyTran-uj1cv 3 месяца назад
why x 1/x
@AzmiTabish
@AzmiTabish 4 месяца назад
Lovely
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 4 месяца назад
Thank u dear for your comment ❤️💖
@EliabBezerrademello
@EliabBezerrademello 3 месяца назад
I DONT UNDERSTAND THE FINAL
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Watch again sir💕
@yatingkang3257
@yatingkang3257 3 месяца назад
x is also approximately equal to 1.0223929402058
@glitch9643
@glitch9643 3 месяца назад
Cant we use log here?
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Try first
@jhoanuceda8145
@jhoanuceda8145 3 месяца назад
Full artificios 😮
@ozencgencmert
@ozencgencmert 3 месяца назад
I solved this question using logarithms in 1 minute.
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Good work dear❤️💖
@yuriboldt5320
@yuriboldt5320 3 месяца назад
Imma try it.
@TheEmanoeljr
@TheEmanoeljr Месяц назад
X=256
@joseagra7725
@joseagra7725 3 месяца назад
Congratulations
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Thank you for your comment ❤️💖
@ЖасуланТолеуов-к5в
@ЖасуланТолеуов-к5в 3 месяца назад
2 1/32 =x 1/x Значит x=x, значит 2=32 это абсурд)
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
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@KORGUSUS
@KORGUSUS Месяц назад
Answer x=8 i solwed five seconds.
@aizaypubg5956
@aizaypubg5956 3 месяца назад
nice
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Thanks for your helpful comment ❤️
@vildanatesoglu76
@vildanatesoglu76 Месяц назад
Ln: helloo
@曾恩量子力學
@曾恩量子力學 3 месяца назад
naturelogrithium "ln"
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Thank you for your comment ❤️💖
@ouldmedouldmedmr9489
@ouldmedouldmedmr9489 3 месяца назад
Is n'nt anallytique nor mathamatical
@pomupomu0624
@pomupomu0624 Месяц назад
이게 올림피아드 문제냐 ㅋㅋㅋ 양변에 로그 취하라고 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
@theophilusprat2202
@theophilusprat2202 3 месяца назад
Why won't u explain and jus solving randomly
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
❤️
@Hasanhuseyinyilmazofficial
@Hasanhuseyinyilmazofficial Месяц назад
Logaritma kullancak misin diye merak ettim tum videoyu izlemek zorunda kaldim😑
@psw8989
@psw8989 2 месяца назад
밑2인 로그를 써라
@gaznelimahmut1769
@gaznelimahmut1769 3 месяца назад
thx
@babysharddooloolooloo
@babysharddooloolooloo Месяц назад
There are three answers...
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic Месяц назад
Exactly
@eduardodavidsantacruzmacias
@eduardodavidsantacruzmacias 2 месяца назад
No sé vio como resolvió al final
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 2 месяца назад
Watch again
@ahmadsyafrawi3499
@ahmadsyafrawi3499 Месяц назад
Ini bukan penyelesaian
@IoanaSandu-i8z
@IoanaSandu-i8z 3 месяца назад
Nu este o rezolvare coerenta. Nu m- ai convins
@anasanasa645
@anasanasa645 2 месяца назад
VG❤
@maryjay7833
@maryjay7833 2 месяца назад
@katabeth8272
@katabeth8272 3 месяца назад
X=8
@a_worldly_man
@a_worldly_man 2 месяца назад
Nope 2^8=256 8^32 ends up being a number with 29 digits
@Jeff_D
@Jeff_D 3 месяца назад
5 al ojo
@ziyodabekmirzayeva9240
@ziyodabekmirzayeva9240 3 месяца назад
Mashaallah,
@ProfePato777
@ProfePato777 2 месяца назад
Muy fácil
@iwanagustinusong3506
@iwanagustinusong3506 Месяц назад
X = 0
@159phongsakornkawhaolai4
@159phongsakornkawhaolai4 Месяц назад
X = 0 You can try😂
@lucianopires1184
@lucianopires1184 3 месяца назад
exist anoter solution
@Unf477
@Unf477 3 месяца назад
Много лишних шагов
@Cetin0707
@Cetin0707 29 дней назад
No sense
@tamarshahverdyan2723
@tamarshahverdyan2723 3 месяца назад
# 90 #
@nikp941
@nikp941 3 месяца назад
Noice
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Thanks for your comment ❤️💖
@sucremanswhite3951
@sucremanswhite3951 2 месяца назад
Totally wrong...
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 2 месяца назад
No problem ❤️
@elmanmusaiev7003
@elmanmusaiev7003 3 месяца назад
Perfect by-pass 👌
@K.Klogic
@K.Klogic 3 месяца назад
Thank u❤️
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