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Episode 14: What If You Could Get Away With Anything?
(Plato & The Ring of Gyges)
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@theproplady 9 лет назад

I'd gather a group of friends together and toss the ring into Mt. Doom.

@benaaronmusic 9 лет назад

That sounds like an epic journey. You have my sword...

@ShapezPuller64 9 лет назад

Ben Aaron And my bow...

@Dja05 9 лет назад

Can't we juste take the eagles :v ?

@ShapezPuller64 9 лет назад

Gianni Carrea Nah, not enough axes.

@lonecommenter6793 9 лет назад

Better steal a car with the ring though. One does not simply walk into Mordor.

@saeedbaig4249 8 лет назад

Plato's reason to act moral is essentially because more people are happier knowing that what they are doing is right. The problem though is: a)A psychopath can be completely happy without being moral b) Different people may act in different ways according to what they think is just, and thus can both be happy (even if one of them is wrong).

@Ukobarrywawa 8 лет назад

+Sideeq Mohammad Plato was speaking about an ideal average person in most of his writings. The Greek philosophers often wrote as if their ideologies were the only ones worth caring about and were undeniably correct. They very rarely considered the fact that the average person is not a philosopher.

@djayjp 8 лет назад

You guys are both forgetting the role of reason with regards to morality.

@saeedbaig4249 7 лет назад

djayjp What exactly is the role of reason with regards to morality that you're referring to?

@jonathansclassroom8811 4 года назад

@@djayjp plz answer the mans question

@djayjp 4 года назад

@@saeedbaig4249 eg game theory or duty of care (Kant), or maximizing options/choices. I'm also working on a theory relating physics to a naturalistic, universal, objective morality. Basically, it's not about happiness (but that can be a likely, somewhat coincidental, result). Also, even with respect to happiness, the issues you raised were largely addressed by Utilitarianism. You're right though: Plato's views were problematic and incomplete.

@greggreg2027 9 лет назад

Shorter version "Activate God Mode cheat, beat game. Are you happy for beating the game this way?"

@vitorbernardo9789 8 лет назад

I would save middle earth.

@colbonthecob2530 8 лет назад

+KAMENRIDER DEATHFUL He could, just not simply.

@vaulttechnition2576 7 лет назад

Why walk there when you have giant eagles to ride on?

@Bob-B-. 8 лет назад

I would get a job. Jk I'm already invisible to prospective employers.

@ZS05 8 лет назад

+Victor lol funny but true for me too. :( It's good to laugh about it sometimes, but I really do hate how jobs can be handed out to handsome a-holes over people who worked hard to get their fucking degrees. Got an Associates' and still no job.

@utubrGaming 9 лет назад

What would I do? Hide in a dark cave, eating raw fish and jump into a volcano.

@AkichiDaikashima 9 лет назад

So Plato effectively came up with the idea of the Id/Ego/Super Ego before Freud? That's pretty cool! :D

@FerroNeoBoron 9 лет назад

And Lord of the Rings too apparently.

@hviw8670 9 лет назад

Ferroneoboron san I don't think he ever claimed credit for the Ring of Gyges, only his comments on it.

@geirtwo 9 лет назад

Ego/Id/Superego can also be found in the bible.

@Coppermeshman 6 месяцев назад

@@geirtwoin what form?

@geirtwo 6 месяцев назад

@@Coppermeshman The bible talks about the flesh and the law.

@SamuraiPipotchi 9 лет назад

I would TOTALLY abuse that ring. Not quite for injustice though. Robbing a bank would be dumb. Free holiday however? Maybe! Side note: Plato's theory is basically the cause of Lord of the Rings.

@garret1930 8 лет назад

+Samurai Pipotchi I'm pretty sure the ring of Gyges isn't from plato, he just mentioned it in his book

@marsyasthesatyr 3 года назад

@@garret1930 yeah, lmao in book 2, its actually socrates and some other guy (who came up with ring of gyges) and the whole justice thing is socrates' response

@AntiGravityC9 9 лет назад

Headlines after getting that ring: "Robbers mysteriously robbed of their robbed goods, murderers mysteriously murdered, rapists myst.. "

@AxelLeJeff 9 лет назад

Yeah, vigilantism seems the way to go. So long as it's methodically justified.

@thatbozo 9 лет назад

Plato disagreed with retribution; why respond to malevolence with malevolence when you can reform the criminal and make him and you a better person?

@moebius435 9 лет назад

thatbozo I don't know if that really is something Plato said, but it does seem very wise.

@thatbozo 9 лет назад

He states it in book 1 of the republic when Polemarchus states being just is owing friends goodness and enemies badness. Socrates (Plato) argues that being bad to a bad person only makes them worse 'like beating a horse' and that it is paradoxical for a good person to create more badness in his surroundings

@moebius435 9 лет назад

thatbozo I read it in my second year of college, but damned if I can remember it ;)

@SYN4REVr 8 лет назад

Should probably take it to Mordor, toss it into the fires of Mount Doom, you know just to be safe.

@Redem10 9 лет назад

What If You Could Get Away With Anything? I know this is 8-bits philosophy, but I think Grand theft auto should have been used here

@Khrene 9 лет назад

Well, GTA has some 16 bit releases, but Plato's Gurren Lagg- er, the Allegory of the Cave was done with Zelda so yeah.

@ACanette 9 лет назад

I think thery stuck with Zelda because Plato was already used with Zelda.

@mso1ps4 9 лет назад

it's 8-bit games solely.

@DusBeforeDawn2008 5 лет назад

Wasnt there a gta on the gameboy colour? They could use that

@DementedEmperor 8 лет назад

I would be a queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Tempestuous as the sea, and stronger than the foundations of the earth! All would love me and despair!

@TheMagicRat933 9 лет назад

While it will most likely never transpire in reality, the thought alone of truly being able to get away scot free with anything honestly scares me. Sometimes I've woken from lucid dreams and been pretty freaked out by the stuff I let myself get away with in the dream world under my control...

@Kenshin1913 9 лет назад

Some CEOs of corporations should be reading more Plato.

@Indubidably0 5 лет назад

^NPC

@beingsshepherd 4 года назад

Hillary Clinton.

@Lunalite 9 лет назад

With a ring like that, I would honestly help people

@jamesdalton5259 5 лет назад

These videos are great, simplified, retellings of the philosophical ideas that really get to the core of them in a still thought-provoking way. I'm a teacher and I would love to be able to show these to my middle school students to integrate them into my lessons plans. However, I could never due this because of some of the language. Is there anyway you would consider recreating them in a more toned down format (just in terms of word choice)? They're a great tool.

@FalconPan 9 лет назад

Best one yet :D I love the rhetorical question at the end - gets us viewers thinking more than usual haha

@benrocks832000 9 лет назад

I love this channel

@ThePhantomSafetyPin 8 лет назад

I would use it to be a superhero because who the hell wouldn't?

@prometheus9096 8 лет назад

Me =) because i dont belief in self-administered justice. That is what a superhero dose :D no law, he decides oh bad guy i punch him ^^ ... in reality superheros are really only criminals them selfs.

@only-mint 8 лет назад

+Prometheus That's a vigilante.

@prometheus9096 8 лет назад

+swarm 3003 no superheros have no permission from anyone and they full fill judicature and executive authority in one person. Makes them pretty much criminal for me ;=)

@only-mint 8 лет назад

+Prometheus Then explain to me why the authorities aren't mad at iron-man.

@prometheus9096 8 лет назад

swarm 3003 because its fiction and not the real world^^

@TheJaredtheJaredlong 9 лет назад

I'd walk the ring into Mordor and have it destroyed.

@animedorkify 9 лет назад

I disagree with Plato on this one. Plato seems to define only one kind of happiness - a true happiness. This may be because he only sees the world through only his perspective. Others might find happiness in different ways. Where one might dread something, another might enjoy it. Happiness is not universal.

@alfredodiaz297 9 лет назад

Indeed. Plato is only interested in an universal happiness, true happiness according to his theory of the forms. To him any happiness that is subjective is not true hapiness but an imperfect copy of it.

@Ndo01 9 лет назад

nick volta I assume he means the requirements for happiness are not objective.

@mistermaita 9 лет назад

Happiness is universal. Your line of reasoning proved that the METHODS of obtaining happiness aren't universal, with which I totally and completely agree. It does not follow, however, that happiness IN ITSELF is not universal. I would even go so far as to say that the the goal of acquiring happiness is universal, too. For example, a masochist wants to suffer but only because he ENJOYS it. I simply can't bring myself to believe that a truly rational and sane person who doesn't want to be happy even exists. Happiness is everyone's goal. Sounds pretty universal to me. Edit: Some typos.

@RnW154 9 лет назад

nick volta hmmmm....I believe what you guys are getting at is the difference between joy and pleasure. Joy: A harmonious mood that someone can have despite material condition (think a monk who is happy despite having nothing and is paralyzed or something) Pleasure: Usually a temporary mood fulfiller that's based upon material condition (think mtv rapper with a drug habit) Happiness is a frame of mind that can appreciate everything and not be subject to change due to material conditions (think rainy day or having your sweet heart break up with you) If you get a high off of killing/robbing people for example...what happens when there are no people to do those things to? your pleasure runs out and you cease to feel good. Why one might not be able to call it true happiness (joy) but subjective happiness (pleasure)

@RandomlyAwesomeFilms 9 лет назад

nick volta eudaimonia is the end of our means

@TheRachaelLefler 8 лет назад

Omg this idea is the inspiration for Tolkien

@Volstreed 9 лет назад

"The just person knows committing unjust acts messes with your soul" xD

@peterthor9940 8 лет назад

Play ghost. Try to act as if I'm someone's consciousness. Read all the answers to my next test.

@spackmoose6002 7 лет назад

I would spend all of my time messing with those guys from ghost hunters, that stupid show on the history channel. it would be a lot of fun I imagine.

@peterthor9940 7 лет назад

ahhahaha good use

@the-engneer 3 года назад

This episode in particular gave me a good philosophical realization. Whenever I would start using cheats in a video game the game would become boring almost instantly, and I think life is the same way. If you can live forever, and have infinite wealth life would be fun for a little while, but would become incredibly boring, and less meaningful

@Coppermeshman 6 месяцев назад

I don't know, just because the essentials of a game have been acquired it doesn't necessarily mean that the game has lost its meaning, it only means that the focus of the game has been fundamentally changed. A Meaningless game would be one with stagnation. If One had a finite life with finite ability and was in a struggle to achieve goals that half the time lead to nowhere, the One wouldn't be necessarily happy, nor would it be the most desirable position. In a cycle of life and death, an neverending struggle against death with continuing the game to the next generation at best or death at worst, it isn't stable. I can understand the possibility of stagnation with infinite life and wealth alone, however undeniable the possibility of improvement when such problems become apparent.

@canoai 9 лет назад

I love this channel + plato is the man

@Divercitylife 9 лет назад

Wisecrack, I commented on a video about how the background music and sound were to distracting. This is way better, thank you!!

@PPEcon 8 лет назад

These are great

@Asal181 9 лет назад

I am defiantly showing this to one of my professors I love this, as a guy who is not just a fan but contiplates on my own philosophy just seeing what I love put in a game is dope haha

@ricancira 9 лет назад

Here's a quote from another great mind: "Win if you can, lose if you must...but always cheat." - Bobby "The Brain" Heenan.

@MrJ1S 9 лет назад

steal from the banks not from friends. hang out in female gym locker rooms. and have the greatest youtube prank channel of all time

@MSOGameShow 9 лет назад

And end up like Sam Pepper. Then again, the whole bitchfest about him is so out of control it's not even funny.

@aaronwidenor9743 9 лет назад

MSOGameShow I'm sorry, are you saying that we should just ignore when a guy like that trespasses on people's personal space?

@MSOGameShow 9 лет назад

The whole Sam Pepper thing should be dead and buried. The offending video is gone and he's received immense backlash. Hell, people even used this as an opportunity to file rape charges against him (funny how things like this work out). And, yet, people are STILL talking about him. Sam Pepper is not the worst thing to ever happen. Instead of bitching about some guy on the internet long after the situation is over, you'd think these people would find a real issue to tackle now. By the way, if Sam Pepper were, say, Samantha Pepper, and pinching the asses of men, none of you would be bitching.

@aaronwidenor9743 9 лет назад

If Sam were Samantha Pepper, her behavior wouldn't be part of the long history of men feeling they are entitled to women's bodies, and then laughing it off when the women get angry. That's why this can't "blow over," because it keeps happening and not enough people are condemning it.

@Doomroar 9 лет назад

I would still be here watching these videos, they are addictive!

@jamesgrey13 9 лет назад

I would have no use for a ring that would make me invisible! I'm already invisible enough!

@crackmonster99 9 лет назад

I'd be evil and corrupt I'm not gonna lie.

@politure 9 лет назад

lol ironic

@MarketResearchReading114 9 лет назад

Its hard to be evil if you steal from the corrupt.

@nobrainQQ 9 лет назад

You are such a good person that you can't even lie here? I doubt you would do anything with the ring other than turn it to the authorities.

@bloodstoneore4630 6 лет назад

crackmonster99 I'd probably take over the world and do some shit

@williamblazkowicz5587 2 года назад

I'd be pragmatic, I'd use it to benefit myself.

@megamcee 9 лет назад

F my soul! I'm getting invisible all up in this bitch!

@witchplease9695 9 лет назад

If I could do anything I'd do nothing lmao. I'm forced to do so many things all the time that doing nothing and just chilling is what I'd want to do.

@pairot01 9 лет назад

Des lazy fuck

@witchplease9695 9 лет назад

Joaquin Pirotto thanks

@ericmsandoval 9 лет назад

1:12 GILLIGAN AND THE SKIPPER!!! That game used to drive me crazy as a kid!

@Billchu13 9 лет назад

Run into stuff... Being invisible means that my sight wouldn't work

@FerroNeoBoron 9 лет назад

I guess you'd have to make some kind of contact lenses that capture a small amount of the light hitting them and amplify the signal to your eyes. You wouldn't be 100% invisible but you'd be pretty close.

@StrongBlair 9 лет назад

Ferroneoboron san Contact lenses wouldn't help. The light is passing right through the back of your eye not making contact with the light sensitive nerves.

@FerroNeoBoron 9 лет назад

StrongBlair I meant that the "contact lenses" were behind the manifold of invisibility and that they opened a hole in that manifold that let in a little light. Obviously they wouldn't be normal contact lenses but we are talking about invisibility here.

@armandomartinez2291 Год назад

This brings up the question of what is just and what is unjust

@nightsage217 7 лет назад

Throw it into Lava? I dont need an old wizard tells me nonsense.

@renav.3239 8 лет назад

If I think about it, I don't think I'd have much use for a ring of invisibility. it'd probably end up some kind of thing I have until I needed it for something specific, although what I can't imagine. Getting out of dangerous situations maybe?

@burgogaming1 5 лет назад

That's only if the person's self interest is to be happy.

@GallowglassAxe 9 лет назад

I wonder if this is where Tolkien got the inspiration for the one ring. A magic ring that turns you invisible and corrupts you. With the ring the wearer believes that they have amazing power and many view themselves as the rightful ruler.

@CrackThoseClaws 9 лет назад

Yes, definitely.

@hrnekbezucha 9 лет назад

Being careless and genuinely evil is usually the easier way. Having invisibility ring and using it for my sake only without consequencess would make me feel bad. I'm not doing bad things because I wouldn't get away with it but because I don't want to concider myself a bad person. Being bad suck.

@jaggerkelly3487 8 лет назад

Think of it in this way my friend.. We are all bad people, we've done things bad in our life times that can not change and who cares if we're a little bad we don't live long might as well make life better for our selves while we are still kicking ;)

@hrnekbezucha 8 лет назад

Can't agree with that. If your decessions are predetermined by your past actions than you're nothing better than an animal that is not as capable of thinking. _It's okay to be bad because everyone else is._ That is just a pathetic excuse. It's okay to be lost and it's okay to be scared but it's not okay to be making it harder for everyone else in the same general situation.

@optiTHOMAS Год назад

Brilliant! I wouldn't be able to do things to people to get ahead in life as it would continuously haunt me and cause me grief to those I had wronged. There is tranquility to being just and true to yourself. I think that does make a stronger spirit and increases your happiness subconsciously. 😅👍🏻

@Coppermeshman 6 месяцев назад

What if One had no such consequence of neither, even if they had such conscience?

@HenrikWestgaard 9 лет назад

Let's just say the girls' locker room would be haunted and there would be a lot of 'ectoplasm'.

@ekstrajohn 6 лет назад

I'm starting to binge watch all of Wisecrack and I'm starting to wonder if "Zelda" was introduced only to make an otherwise boring dry video on Plato (which I think would absolutely NOT be dry and boring) more palatable to the masses. Well, if not explicitly, mixing in video games or pop culture is still a good delivery device for the format. Well done Wisecrack, perhaps you gave this more thought than it appears.

@satchelfrost6531 8 лет назад

Now I'm wondering if the movie Hollow Man with Kevin Bacon is a reference to Plato's republic book 2.

@Jobsih 6 лет назад

If I had a ring that made me invisible I would do the best Frodo cosplay ever

@DarkSky94400 8 лет назад

I think the ideas of Plato should be our motto

@YaoiHuntressEarth 9 лет назад

It was fun to guess where all the sprites came from.

@Lack_of_response 9 лет назад

invisibility ring + sheet with holes in it = best ghost costume ever. Then i would lease it out to researchers so they can figure out how it works and make more invisibility tech.

@kennymos9007 4 года назад

I love this fucking music.

@tanukioh 9 лет назад

If I had that ring there would be so many shenanigans.

@freedomdividendnews5042 5 лет назад

I've had a lot of "friends" steal from me. Some people will always be thieves.

@tawmas1593 9 лет назад

If I ever had that kind of ring that would make me invisible, I'd probably cast it into the fires of Mount Doom, where it was forged

@OttoPussner 9 лет назад

I like to think that this is commonly reflected in modern society even with our own acknowledgement of such. "First World Problems" are challenges and issues that are easy to solve and harmless to fail, but since there is an inherent lack of challenge for some people it creates this sense of inflating/creating problems in order to achieve happiness, as stated in this video, despite them already having material wealth and comfort.

@MrDiscreet100 9 лет назад

Sneak into places

@FerroNeoBoron 9 лет назад

On Halloween I'd stay visible and put on a bed sheet and pretend I'm a ghost and be intentionally bad at scaring people. Then I'd let the sheet slip off and simultaneously go invisible and see how many people I scare the crap out of. But on a serious note, I wouldn't really want to do anything that would be to the detriment of other people. I might do weird things knowing that I have physical privacy like dance badly in public places.

@Jaxonbass 9 лет назад

I would cast it back into the fiery chasm whence it came.

@Pnoot 9 лет назад

Probably just end up pretending I was a poltergeist for a laugh tbh ;p

@MonotoneGaming 7 лет назад

No matter how just someone believes they can be or wants to be, there is no soul on earth that wouldn't use such power for their own benefits, even if its something small. Like sneaking in to see a free movie or stealing a candy bar. Theres nothing that says it would make me completely undetectable, does it block out smell, sound? Would I get picked up on infrared? If I was totally invisible then I'd never take it off, if the power also is endless and doesn't wear out. Be a super hero and become a mysterious being that no one will ever know the identity of until I die.

@BilalAli-ne4ue 9 лет назад

lol we just learned about this last week!!!

@yasoum9286 7 лет назад

I would stay invisible so that no one talks to me

@demiurge9212 7 лет назад

Best answer 👍

@christianweibrecht6555 7 лет назад

my interactions on the internet taught me that people will be toxic if they can be with impunity

@xiiiz5703 7 лет назад

If I found a ring that could make me invisible, I'd throw it into the fires of Mount Doom.

@Rhomega 9 лет назад

If I had a ring of invisibility, I would cast it back into the fires of Mt. Doom.

@halfpintrr 8 лет назад

I would sneak into an art museum after hours for uninterrupted viewing. I wouldn't take the paintings because art belongs to everyone, but I just want more time alone with the painting. Aside from that, I would love to help people. Maybe by being an investigative journalist? I could get into places that no one else can.

@ThemToob 8 лет назад

There and back again.

@Demolitiondude 9 лет назад

There must be more to the soul than just those three aspects.

@uwishtobeme2 9 лет назад

I'd go to the grocery store and steal avocados. They are $2 each, that's the real crime here. Wall Street can wait.

@DarkFunk1337 9 лет назад

Do Max Stirner and Castlevania!

@yellowscorpion100 9 лет назад

I'd probably go crazy with it.

@sunwooooooo 9 лет назад

Mess up Gopher's load order.

@falnica 8 лет назад

So that's where Tolkien got it from, as his friend C.S. Lewis wrote: It's all in Plato

@fartzinwind 7 лет назад

Most people would probably get hit by a car or something. Spend too much time invisible and you would likely stop thinking as much as you should about how important it is to be seen in specific circumstances, such as crossing a busy street.

@afrikasmith1049 9 лет назад

I would use the ring in case i end up in dangerous situations like Bilbo Baggings, or if i wear a spy, or masked hero.

@EionBlue 9 лет назад

Considering modern psychology, wouldn't someone who was willing to do anything to get ahead project his own mentality on everyone else around him, therefore depriving him of any ability to establish a meaningful connection with any other human being? Meaning that someone with the ability to do anything would suffer as a side effect from paranoia and disillusionment to the point that his mental state would counteract any benefit he would gain from the material side?

@EionBlue 9 лет назад

TheEranster So are you saying that, if given the ability, no mentally stable person would take advantage of their carte blanche to a normally criminal extent? And if so, would there be no effect on their mental well-being whatsoever?

@lorjan5675 9 лет назад

wise words Plato

@philliparnesen4493 9 лет назад

I have never once heard this philosophy expressed but this is pretty much how I have always lived my life. No matter how much I may want to at times, taking selfish or unjust courses of action makes me feel like I am lessening myself. So I don't.

@rickyenigma-tan1049 8 лет назад

2:50 ahh i see what ya did there

@CusterDawg 9 лет назад

This ring example of plato's serves as the main idea behind the Deathnote series. Sure "kira" has goods intentions, but he has done great wrongs too. The ends never justify the means imo.

@17spyguy 9 лет назад

I would probably try to help others but also help myself every now or then.

@GokayCEKLI 8 лет назад

I believe plato is wrong because morality is subjective one might justify their criminal actions as good by their standards and still think they are on the right. So killing the king for example gyges might think the king is a tyrant therefore he ended his tyranny with his power. I saw similar relative morality in the anime Death Note where kira think he is sacrificing his life for saving world from criminals but in the end he was just an egomaniac obsessed with power and control.

@JasonPruitt 9 лет назад

It would sure expose the good people, from those just following orders. I don't think Plato's reasoning is very good here, as to why. It really assumes that, being a good person, making people happy, is an inherent trait in all people. Unless a lot of people are completely out of touch with themselves, it seems more like wishful thinking, that the reason to be good, is that simple.

@JasonPruitt 9 лет назад

***** Not sure I'd call the version based on our idea of it, the perfect one, but I get it more now. Seeing the world with a clear mind, not letting yourself cloud your judgment. Happiness comes from understanding how the world really is, and not constantly having to fight it, because your version of how it is, and how it is, don't match up.

@hmalba7864 9 лет назад

If I found an invisibility ring, I'd turn it upside down, get a suit of armor and a sword, a horse, and ride around making people think I was a spirit knight. Or I could lose the helmet and make them think I'm the Headless Horseman :D

@DarkMoonDroid 9 лет назад

CAST IT INTO THE FIRE!!!

@orion8981 9 лет назад

For as smart as Plato (probably) was, I don't think he quite got the concept. For quite a few people, their happiness is measured by their gain in life, not by the justice they adhere to. As such, Plato was quite wrong in this regard. The shepherd was more likely than not quite content with his new station in life.

@Kira1Lawliet 9 лет назад

What would I do if I have an invisibility ring? Set off on an adventure with my wizard friend, an Elvin archer, and other Hobbits to stop the warlord of Mordor and save the world. Isn't it obvious?

@LightoYagasamiSan 9 лет назад

I would have to run to mordor and destroy it.

@SSJKamui 9 лет назад

I would throw the ring into the fire and prevent Sauron from getting the Ring. LOL

@omenwatcher 9 лет назад

I tried thinking of some, if I cheated on school work and got away with it I would still feel the repercussions later by not having the knowledge and understanding that work would have given me.

@Raziel312 9 лет назад

What if you could get away with anything? You'd get Joffrey from Game of Thrones! That's what happens when a kid grows up having never heard the word, "no."