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Getting dressed in the middle ages, while Jewish : 11th century medieval Jews, England vs Spain 

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How would a medieval Jew dress? Historical Jewish fashion varied, in England, and Spain, and everywhere else. It depended on when and where they lived, how well the Jewish community was treated, and that Jew's status within their community and the wider world. We'll take an in-depth look at the historical costumes of two 11th century Jewish women : An Ashkenazi Norman English Jew, and a Sephardic Jew living in Islamic-ruled Iberia (present-day Spain).
In the middle ages, Jews lived all over Europe, as well as throughout much of Africa and Asia. Their historical fashions varied just as much as those of their non-Jewish neighbors. Jewish traditional dress might be completely different from the non-Jews of the same region, especially if the Jewish community was separate, or it might be look identical on the surface, with only small differences in construction. Jewish tailors and dressmakers would have sewn their clothes differently due to a religious prohibition on wearing "sha'atnez", wool and linen in the same garment.
A high-status Norman English Jew, either invited to move to England by William the Conqueror or perhaps the first generation born on English soil, would have looked much like anyone else on the surface. Her outfit would consist of the same linen smock and wool outer layers as other English people's, but since her wool clothes couldn't be sewn with linen thread they would have to be made differently. If she is a person of status in a formal setting, she wears a bliaut, a shaped overgown with a dramatic silhouette that still influences fantasy costume today.
An Iberian Jew living in Al-Andalus as a "dhimmi" (protected non-Muslim citizen) would dress completely differently from our image of medieval Europe. Both a warmer climate and Islamic cultural norms allow for a base layer of sheer linen or even cotton, and both underpants and trousers could be worn by people of any gender! In an informal private setting, no other layers would be necessary. For going out, an additional layer is added in the form of a button-front lightweight wool coat. Jews in Islamic territories wore identifying dress as one of the conditions of their protected legal status, which most often took the form of yellow or honey-colored veils.
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0:00 Medieval Jews!
0:26 Who am I?
0:42 Explaining Jewish heritage
2:58 Jewish medieval clothes vs "medieval clothes"
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6:45 Let's get dressed!
7:07 the English outfit
11:36 the Spanish outfit
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@SnappyDragon
@SnappyDragon 2 года назад
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@shalacarter6658
@shalacarter6658 2 года назад
Honey, I over-heated just watching this! I am allergic to wool. I only wear cotton dresses. Wish I could sew since it is almost impossible to find cotton dresses in plus sizes.
@angryhistoryguy5657
@angryhistoryguy5657 2 года назад
I didn't realize sha-atnez applied to thread! I'm on a medieval kick at the moment, and the discussion of sha'atnez got me wondering about medieval men's clothing. Men's braies were underwear and therefore presumably linen. Chausses, or hose were worn over, and had to be tied onto the braies or later a doublet in order to stay up. Hose were usually wool for better fit and elasticity. Do we know if hose and braies were considered separate garments? Did Jewish men stick to linen hose? There's some indication that wool braies existed, but it's thought that they were meant to match a pair of hose, and separate linen ones worn underneath for laundry.
@Cxizent
@Cxizent 2 года назад
"Ask two Jews, get three opinions" is such a wonderful little turn of phrase that always tickles me. Very sobering conclusion, and rightly so.
@berlineczka
@berlineczka 2 года назад
It must be an Ashkenazi saying, as exactly the same phrasing exists in Polish: where two Poles, there are three opinions. :)
@suzettekath9860
@suzettekath9860 2 года назад
@@berlineczka Actually it is ask two Jews and get FOUR opinions. As in "On the other hand." I'm part Ashkenazi Jew myself.
@berlineczka
@berlineczka 2 года назад
@@suzettekath9860 Yeah, I guess this saying has a number of variations in both Jiddish and Polish. I once heard "three Poles, six opinions" as well.
@Charles-mv7sv
@Charles-mv7sv 2 года назад
The only thing two Carpenters can agree on, is that the 3rd one is wrong. Ha
@monteverdi1567
@monteverdi1567 2 года назад
@@suzettekath9860 that’s how I’ve always heard it corollary- ask two rabbis, get 6 opinions. 🤣
@Chibihugs
@Chibihugs 2 года назад
This was marvelous. We should all take time to question not who history remembers but who was left and why. These two outfits were great, I would happily wear them both. I love seeing you share the history of your people that is so often left out or forgotten.
@amorfranco8467
@amorfranco8467 2 года назад
Hystory is told by the winners
@sianifairy9070
@sianifairy9070 2 года назад
Agreed- and thank you for posting all of this!
@saritshull3909
@saritshull3909 2 года назад
Tell me you’re starved for decent historical representation without telling me you’re starved for decent historical representation: I read the title and got so excited I teared up!
@ashextraordinaire
@ashextraordinaire 2 года назад
"We were there." This brought tears to my eyes because I've started to research my Jewish roots in France and Belgium. It's SO DIFFICULT to find good information, and I know that's not an accident. Thank you for this video and for all the work you're doing.
@Laeiryn
@Laeiryn 2 года назад
I'm "lucky" enough in that respect that most of my Jewish ancestors emigrated in the 1880s (a notable period of unrest, for certain!), and so records from that point forth take place in the US. Records from beforehand are ... questionable. Land changed hands so much in Europe - was it Galicia-Lodomeria? was it Poland? Was it Prussia? Was it Denmark? Was it Germany? No worries, it was literally ALL of those at one point or another! So good luck finding records from a time and place you don't even know to look in, because it's a nation who no longer exists, and who knows where any of those records WENT. In your case - Belgium is a very new nation, on the European scale of things. If your ancestors lived on the land that is now part of Belgium, you will very likely be looking for a completely different nation's name on the map if you want any good data about those lines of descent. France has been a bit more stable for a much longer time, but Alsace-Lorraine has changed hands a comical number of times. Most of the diaspora that spread Jewish folk throughout central Europe took place a good thousand years ago,, but due to the endogamous nature of many Jewish communities, the genetics are traceable even after such a time in a new place, because we did not completely genetically assimilate into local populations. Mitochondrial DNA or, if you have a Y chromosome, following that direct line of descent, can give you an incredible amount of information about who *did not* overtake your genes along the way. The fact that so many Eastern and Central European Ashkenazi Jews share the same haplogroups, and the same haplogroup as the Middle East for the last four thousand years, is an amazing testament to how strongly we perpetuated our own continuous line among ourselves.
@sleekoduck
@sleekoduck 2 года назад
The Jewish community in France was expelled in 1392 and moved to Poland. Most of the Jewish community in France today came from Spain and North Africa. The Jewish community in Belgium came from Amsterdam after the Holocaust. I probably have distant relatives there I haven't met, but not a lot. The Nazis were pretty thorough. 😖 I have a video on another channel about Jewish genetics and ancestry.
@kinsmart7294
@kinsmart7294 Год назад
You will be hard-pressed to find good information on the era anywhere.
@thetasteofsunshine
@thetasteofsunshine 2 года назад
As someone who is jewish who knows very little about my own culture, I love your videos about Judaism and Jewish history within the topic of historical dress, and it's a way I feel able to connect to my heritage in a way that I haven't been able to before! thank you!
@SnappyDragon
@SnappyDragon 2 года назад
I'm in the same boat! A lot of the "religious/spiritual" elements don't click for me, but the culture and the history is something I'm really excited to have found a way to connect to.
@bestaqua23
@bestaqua23 2 года назад
You should contact ANU Museum of the Jewish People from what I know they are very nice about answering questions like thet
@Jennaw95
@Jennaw95 2 года назад
@@bestaqua23 i recommend them as well! I live in Tel Aviv and actually went there back when it was called bet hatfutsot (The diaspora museum in Hebrew). Highly recommend them. They are a great resource.
@Ashley_tipsyshades
@Ashley_tipsyshades 2 года назад
@@Jennaw95 I found a link for either the Tel Aviv museum or the Israel museum (I know big difference lol...also hi, I too am Tel Avivit!) that had an exhibit on Jewish dress from different communities around the world, but that's literally all I could find.
@Jennaw95
@Jennaw95 2 года назад
@@Ashley_tipsyshades which Tel Aviv museum? We don’t have a museum just called the Tel Aviv museum lol. ‏ושלום מלב העיר !
@taniaovercashier9478
@taniaovercashier9478 2 года назад
Morgan Donner has a video “How to make a 500-year-old dress” uploaded on January 28, 2021 that has a link to wool thread.
@Magdahlana
@Magdahlana 2 года назад
Unsung hero. Thank you from everyone here.
@punks0ft552
@punks0ft552 2 года назад
When I started dating my bf, he and his family hadn't even met a jewish person before. Around the holidays I wanted to throw them a hanukkah, since they never had one, but there was some funny confusion around the menorah. They thought you put the candles in all at once and it didnt matter what candles, so they put birthday candles in all the spots on the first night. It was really funny and really sweet they took initiative to try
@anna-michellethivierge6004
@anna-michellethivierge6004 2 года назад
There was an archeology dig recently in England that found evidence of medieval Jews keeping kosher from the food residue on pots.
@SnappyDragon
@SnappyDragon 2 года назад
Oh that's so cool! Excuse me while I go look it up 😃
@Genesis3Chi
@Genesis3Chi 2 года назад
The cinematic punch of you saying "erased" as your two dressed up selves walk off camera... i started crying
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 2 года назад
It makes perfect sense that Jews would be allowed to swear on the Torah, because making them swear on the Bible would be exactly as meaningful as making their Christian neighbours swear on the Torah, and the whole point of swearing on your Holy Text was to take your oath more seriously.
@rolandscales9380
@rolandscales9380 2 года назад
Except that the Torah (aka the Pentateuch) is a substantive part of the Christian Bible too.
@Girlwiki
@Girlwiki 2 года назад
@@rolandscales9380 As a Christian, I have to tell you that this is deeply unhelpful and wrong.
@leonamay8776
@leonamay8776 2 года назад
@@rolandscales9380 sure. And the Koran explicitly refers to Jewish and Christian scriptures. So let's make Muslims swear on the Bible (or the Tanakh) because that would be super logical, meaningful and appropriate. 🤷🏻‍♀️
@cam4636
@cam4636 2 года назад
It makes perfect sense...if you respect the religious texts of a religion you're not a part of. If the current local ruler is more of the "convert to my religion or I'll murder your whole family" line of thought it's much less likely to happen, which is why it's such a big deal that medieval Jews were allowed to use their own religious texts in kingdoms ruled by other religions.
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 2 года назад
@@cam4636 Yeah, it does depend on whether you consider it more important that people follow a particular religion or that they take their oaths seriously.
@ardenboshier7431
@ardenboshier7431 2 года назад
Ah, this is wonderful. I study in Oxford, and I'm very interested in the Jewish history of the city--as you say, it was home to one of the biggest Jewish communities. I know that some of the wealthier landowning Jewish men sold land to the University in its early days. But even before the expulsion, the Jewish community there also experienced extreme violence from the crown and other political figures. Many of the sites were stolen and used for Christian purposes post conversion also. Nowadays there's a Jewish history group which does tours and provides information about this specific history in Oxford, and there's a strong Jewish community at the synagogue
@SnappyDragon
@SnappyDragon 2 года назад
I'm hoping to visit the UK sometime in the next few years and I will have so much exploring to do!
@mak3960
@mak3960 2 года назад
As someone who isn’t Jewish (or religious) I used to go to interfaith meetings and it was all religious sects in the area (I was raised Presbyterian) and so caltholic, Jewish, Muslim kids would all get together and the two I remember are of Jewish religious dates. Also in regards to wool thread, i recommend Etsy, quilting shops, and yarn shops. There is also apparently wool embroidery thread, and some wool yarn is spun so finely that I could see it being able to be used for thick thread. Front porch quilting shop has a wide selection of 100% wool thread It appears that most of the thread is described as embroidery thread. My assumption is that this is because it is thicker than traditional thread. Edit: made it easier to read the text by adding space
@oberonyronwood5657
@oberonyronwood5657 2 года назад
As a Spaniard who is obsessed with medieval history this video was truly a blessing, thank you!
@Hadas705
@Hadas705 6 месяцев назад
I just found out that 20% of spaniards have jewish blood by DNA. It fascinates me since I received a citizenship based on the fact that my family ran away from Spain in the banishing of the jews, 600 years ago.
@InariDoll
@InariDoll 2 года назад
I'm excited to see historic Spanish dress. I only ever find English and French references
@SnappyDragon
@SnappyDragon 2 года назад
That's part of what made this video so fun. I love researching and showing things that don't get enough attention.
@rurone
@rurone 2 года назад
@@SnappyDragon I was struck by how it wouldn't look out of place on a young hijabi woman today!
@elisabethm9655
@elisabethm9655 2 года назад
Check out ‘The Modern Maker, Matthew Gnagy’ for some serious deep tailoring advice and revelations of 16th c. Spanish Tailoring…his incredibly well researched work(on RU-vid) and in print is inspiring. He’s apparently ‘cracked the code’ of the Bara system of proportional measurement and cutting as published in the 16th and 17th c. manuals.
@yumi1257
@yumi1257 2 года назад
I love this video! But as a portuguese historian i have to point out a few things, the iberian dress would be longer about ankle lenght with just a bit of the trousers showing and the belt wouldn't be as thight to show the waist and the female figure, face covering although not mandatory was also visible, in the elite you could also see alot of luxury in the clothes in terms of design and jewels as well as makeup.Overall as a portuguese woman who still sees the influences of this period on my culture i apreciate the fact that you made an effort to study iberian history!And as a fun fact, for the last part of the video about the jewish expulsion from iberia, Portugal under D.Duarte rule took alot of the escaping spanish jews. Despite feeling the pressure from the portuguese inquisition, wich was allied with the spanish one, to expulse the jews he decided to instead force conversion because he had big plans for expansion on the sea and the jews were one of the most educated groups, because of that he was able to maintain in Portugal the biggest minds of the time period making one of the most brilliant and rich times for Portugal. Sorry for the rant xD
@SnappyDragon
@SnappyDragon 2 года назад
Thank you so much! I did run into a lot of issues finding sources for details like that, probably down to being an English speaker researching a non-English speaking area. For a lot of reasons I'm describing this outfit as a "steaming pile of conjecture" in the video about making it, but it's always good to know more.
@lauraprecioso2152
@lauraprecioso2152 2 года назад
@@SnappyDragon thank you so much for talking about sephardi jews even with the limited sources ! i dont know if you usually work with volunteer subscribers, but im sure that there's lots of us portuguese/spanish speakers that would love to help out w translations ☀ also as a portuguese gentile, these informative videos are so important to us ! even when learning the mandatory iberian history today the jewish community is often erased like you said, even in smaller cultural accomplishments (such as the first book printed in portugal with a gutenberg press being a Torah) and also when discussing regional populations and culture (like the amazing historical jewish community of Belmonte!!). Learned so many new information with your video !! ps: im not good with words and dont usually comment, but im v thankful for your work in general (and also the more traction this video gets, the better!)
@lauraprecioso2152
@lauraprecioso2152 2 года назад
Yumi do you happen to have any recommendations of portuguese or spanish books that go deeper into these subjects? 👀 would love to learn more ☀
@yumi1257
@yumi1257 2 года назад
@@lauraprecioso2152 Yes! I would really recommend "Arabs in history" of Bernard Lewis. In my spcefic history of islam class this was the most useful book, its has everything since the beggining of islam. Its not from a portuguese/spanish author but alot of iberian historians helped writting it and its the easiest book for begginers.Hope it helps!
@limecilla7612
@limecilla7612 2 года назад
@@lauraprecioso2152 About specifically women in Medieval Iberia, I know the book (in Spanish) "Velos y desvelos. Cristianas, musulmanas y judías en la España medieval", by Maria Jesús Fuente, and also you can find several short articles written by her on the same subject on the Internet. Note that since she is a Spanish Medievalist, she usually covers late Medieval History (13th-15th Century, the era when Christian rule became the main power in the Iberian peninsula, and because of that it's easier to find iconographic sources), and uses mainly Castilla and Aragon sources, not Portuguese ones.
@katewolk1436
@katewolk1436 2 года назад
Wow I’m so excited already as a frum Jew for this because i feel like I never get to see how women like me dressed more than like maybe 200 years ago! Could you do a video going in depth on different modes of hair covering in history for Jewish ladies? I know you talked a bit about Jewish vailing, but I’d love to know more about it at various points. Maybe you’ll talk about it in the video though!!!
@SnappyDragon
@SnappyDragon 2 года назад
I'm always a little hesitant to talk about being frum or veiling because those aren't practices that are part of my life, but it seems like people really do want something about head coverings! Maybe Shoshi and I can do a deep dive in the future.
@KateCallen
@KateCallen 2 года назад
As someone who does cover her hair as an observant Jew (but has zero costume history expertise), I can tell you that exactly how someone chooses to cover her hair (how much of it, with what) is a huge identifying marker within Jewish communities. It would be really interesting if we had information on such distinctions beyond the past 200-300 years.
@shoshanamadsen6009
@shoshanamadsen6009 2 года назад
The Israel Museum in Jerusalem has a large permanent exhibit on historical women’s head coverings across many (mostly middle eastern) countries, and had an ashkenazi exhibit about ten years ago. They have a book on Jewish sartorial tradition from these exhibits - could be a good place to start your search!
@elisabethm9655
@elisabethm9655 2 года назад
There are also many medieval and Renaissance images (albeit by non-Jewish artists) that depict Jewish clothing (albeit on various saints and major players in Xtian iconography) Through cross referencing from Jewish images likely by, about or for Jews, certain styles of turban head wraps are quite apparent along with the veiling.
@rebeccaklempner9666
@rebeccaklempner9666 2 года назад
@@SnappyDragon IIRC, the video you did about the Jewish veil a while back showed a hairstyle which is actually discussed in halachic texts, where the veil covers most of the head, but the hair that's braided and then sculpted into a mass at the back of the head is peaking out. There are legal debates from the period between rabbis who discussed whether it it was okay for a married woman to wear her hair like this, and many said it was, because the hair was not wild or loose. I don't remember the source at the moment, but it's quoted in a book by Rabbi Henkin (who died earlier this year) called UNDERSTANDING TZNIUT.
@heidikolden625
@heidikolden625 2 года назад
In a lot of ages and locations, we were not allowed to own land, and so that is how we ended up being bankers, doctors, lawyers, etc. Also, per my Rabbi, he said that most ships had a Hebrew literate Jew on board to communicate with other ports, as one might not be able to communicate with different languages in each port.
@SnappyDragon
@SnappyDragon 2 года назад
Yup, that's about the size of it! I have some interesting future plans to do with the presence of Jews in marine trade . . . for which I blame @Faye Sterling 100%.
@gnostic268
@gnostic268 2 года назад
There were also involved in the transatlantic slave trade
@angryhistoryguy5657
@angryhistoryguy5657 2 года назад
@@gnostic268 So was everyone else. Is there a point you are trying to make, or are you simply trying to be annoying?
@DestructionGlitter
@DestructionGlitter 2 года назад
Ngl, that last bit shook me. I, too, am a cultural Jew and my grandparents were holocaust survivors. It hit me hard when you spoke about who history tends to forget. Thank you.
@saraquill
@saraquill 2 года назад
Your speech at the end reminds me of 9th grade history class, where our teacher had very different things to say about 1492 Spain. Even though this was in a city with a large Jewish population, no one openly disagreed with him. In following years, I used that class to explain how terrible my high school education was.
@rcamels3042
@rcamels3042 2 года назад
Amazing video! I absolutely love learning about Jewish culture and historical dress. One thing that really resonated with me in this video is your quote "You will find us, if you remember to look." I think this quote works for many minorities- I know there has been lots of discussion in the historical costuming community on gatekeeping the "historical accuracy" of individuals very existence, whether that be asian people, LGBT people or, in this case, jewish people. We were always there, you just have to remember to look
@SnappyDragon
@SnappyDragon 2 года назад
Thank you! The fact that it applies to all sorts of other marginalized people is why I said it.
@ladylongsleeves3175
@ladylongsleeves3175 2 года назад
As someone whose ancestors are part Sephardi I am very exited about the Spanish ensemble!
@heleneverbach
@heleneverbach 2 года назад
I love this so much. I hope you keep doing these historical vids about Jewish fashion in the past. I'd love to see a '600 years of Jewish fashion' or something like that. I know Jewish history can be full of painful experiences of oppression, but it's great to remember both the resilience of the Jewish people and the way throughout history oppressed people used fashion to do something beautiful and express themselves despite being marginalized by the state/hegemonic culture
@itwasagoodideaatthetime7980
@itwasagoodideaatthetime7980 2 года назад
I loved all the little historical stories & interesting facts linked. In with the cultures like the Spanish 'house outfit'. It's is VERY similar to what I wear at home in the summer here in Australia (cotton yoga pants & an oversized knee length long T shirt) for the same reason - the unbearable heat. I was also happy (in a sad way) to learn about some historical facts I hadn't been aware of till now. Like I wasn't aware that the first instance of blood libel took place in England. I thought that it had started up in Germany during the period of the Black Death.
@saritshull3909
@saritshull3909 2 года назад
England was also the first place in "modern" times (1290) to expel their Jewish population. And it came into effect on Tisha b'Av.
@cayman144
@cayman144 2 года назад
Blood libel? Is this when you are not the direct cause of physical harm or death but something you did indirectly hurt/killed someone? I was raised in a small sect of Christianity and they use the term blood guilty. I am not sure if this concept is common across most christian sects. I don't even know if blood libel and blood guilt are similar concepts.
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 2 года назад
@@cayman144 Blood libel is the libellous accusation that a particular demographic are guilty of murdering someone (often a child) in order to use the victim’s blood in a ritual. Those accusations are hardly ever true, or even consistent with the religion of the accused.
@jonesnori
@jonesnori 2 года назад
@@cayman144 Blood guilt is a different unfounded accusation, that Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus, who was, of course, crucified by Romans. Whenever the gospels refer to "the Jews", it is the leadership of Judea who are meant, not the people as a whole. The leadership was probably involved, being concerned about a rebellion leading to a bloody response from Rome (which indeed happened about 40 years later), but it's unreasonable to apply guilt from a government under occupation to all of the inhabitants, and to their descendants for millenia.
@lemonbalm3781
@lemonbalm3781 2 года назад
so as evidenced by my stan comment below, i am really into your work. however, as someone who is musta'arabi mizrahi (meaning from arabized populations of jews who have been in the middle east since there have been jews in the world), i strongly strongly caution against conflating sephardic dress with musta'arabi dress. they are not the same cultural context, especially not on the level of what everyday people were doing. i am still doing research into pre-ottoman musta'arabi dress and culture, as it's often very hard to find, so i understand if you weren't able to find much either. it would have been AMAZING if you had done a video on iraqi jewish culture as well, and preferable if you're using their dress style, but i understand that the sources are (somewhat) limited. so while i appreciate your note about this style of dress being from iraq, if you were going to talk about sefarad, in my opinion it would have been more responsible and historically accurate to present this character as being, for example, the daughter of an iraqi jewish trader passing through or immigrated to andalusia. that way you could have still talked about jews in sefarad, since you already have that information/it's easier to find research on in general, without implying that there is/was cultural conformity across the jewish arab world. because that could not be further from the truth! there are similarities, but our ethnic groups are distinct. accurately preserving our heritage, especially post-sephardic immigration into musta'arabi lands, depends on it. and thanks for showing that you know that jewish cultures are super diverse in the intro, it was very well done!
@SnappyDragon
@SnappyDragon 2 года назад
Thanks for your comment! I apologize if I wasn't descriptive enough about how I used the sources I did-- a lot of that is coming in a few weeks in the video focusing on this outfit. Of course it would be a huge problem to use exclusively or primarily Iraqi sources for an Andalusian outfit. There were several situations where there wasn't a piece of evidence specific to Al-Andalus but there *was* evidence directly connecting that garment in Al-Andalus to a similar or equivalent garment in another medieval Islamic territory. For instance, a picture in El Libro de los Juegos shows a Spanish lady wearing sarwal in what was definitely an Andalusian rather than a Visigothic-Spanish fashion, but there don't seem to be surviving sarwal from Al-Andalus. In that case, I based a pattern on extant, similar-looking sarwal from Egypt. I hope this makes more sense!
@lemonbalm3781
@lemonbalm3781 2 года назад
@@SnappyDragon Ah ok awesome, thank you for clarifying!! It wasn't super clear in the caption you shared. Can't wait for the next two.
@lemonbalm3781
@lemonbalm3781 2 года назад
@@SnappyDragon And thanks for being understanding! Unfortunately it can be a really big intracommunity issue that since the combining of Sephardic communities with Musta'arabi communities in the last 100 years (in Syria anyway, that's the context I know) there has been a really big issue of Sephardic hegemony where Musta'arabi culture is being pretty much erased from the historic record and we are almost never talked about; the whole Levant is represented as being Sephardic with there being "almost no" Jews left, which is absolutely not true. So, I get really protective! Looking forwards to all the details & def very interested in the sources you were able to find.
@selina5598
@selina5598 2 года назад
@@lemonbalm3781 The way that Sephardi and Mizrachi Jews are pushed aside, 'the other' and being made invisible really takes the piss
@rebeccawayman4219
@rebeccawayman4219 2 года назад
Morgan Donner used wool thread for her Greenland Dress. Darned if I can’t remember what the company was. But they have loads of colors. It’s amazing.
@northstarhealthmentorshipllc
@northstarhealthmentorshipllc 2 года назад
My mother-in-law's father was a kosher tailor in Poland. The wool and linen bit is so fascinating! Think there might be rules about lining too?!? Thank you for this video!
@emolorin1070
@emolorin1070 2 года назад
We have record of at least one very famous Baghdadi oud player (named Ziryab) moving to Muslim Spain during the Umayyad period! Somewhat earlier than your video is set, in the 9th century, but it's definitely historically plausible to use the music that you chose, there was a lot of culture swapping taking place! We see influences ranging from Syrian to Visigothic in the architecture and objects of the time - so it's very possible that hairstyles were the same, cherry picked based on personal preference from a wide pool. The ruling family was from (recent) Syrian roots, so on a more courtly level styles of hair styling would likely have followed those seen in Syria in the early 11th century/late 10th century. I'm going to go comb through my books and see if there's anything I've missed before now on hair! (sorry for the infodump, I grew up learning about these things and very rarely get a chance to share!)
@turtle4llama
@turtle4llama 2 года назад
I love your videos about Judaism in historical costuming. It makes me want to do the research on my own Romani history.
@MossyMozart
@MossyMozart 2 года назад
@Rhyannon Ashford - In your research, allow the time to read "Bury Me Standing: The Gypsies and Their Journey" by Isabel Fonseca. It describes the life of the Romani people in eastern Europe into the 1990s and their possible past origins (India?). Generally, they seem to be trapped in a positive feedback loop of under-education that inspires murderous bigotry against them, forcing them to live insular lives of deep poverty that further inspires more murderous bigotry. They suffered as much in the Holocaust as any other group, for example, yet that is seldom discussed. You will need a big box of tissues while you read.
@galli0
@galli0 2 года назад
That state at 18:06 just made me burst into tears from the emotions on your face and the words you were speaking, like legit tears streaming down my face right now. Thank you for teaching us 🤍
@vivtzka
@vivtzka 2 года назад
Israeli Jew here! I love historical fashion videos and was absolutely not expecting one about Jews! So cool :))
@SnappyDragon
@SnappyDragon 2 года назад
All the more reason to have done it! Thanks for watching 💚
@dokurokoda
@dokurokoda 2 года назад
So here I have left a link about the awesome group l'am de foc (the master of the fire) they sing in a language long forgotten, called "Occitá" is a mixture of old catalán (the lenguaje from Barcelona) and Sephardic words. The group was dissolved long ago, but the singer, Mara aranda, still does really cool Sephardic music from the Mediterranean
@michelag5817
@michelag5817 2 года назад
Oh, I can't wait for this to premiere! I first discovered your channel through your video about Jewish veiling, and as someone who loves to learn more about the several Jewish communities that have always lived in Europe, clothing is such an important part of that journey and of their lives.
@knittinghistory5430
@knittinghistory5430 2 года назад
I'm not Jewish, but I'm excited to see this! I'll be revisiting your veil video for arranging mine (without blue stripes) if I ever finish my medieval ensemble.
@knittinghistory5430
@knittinghistory5430 2 года назад
(i found you through hat pin swashbuckling though)
@Abahple
@Abahple 2 года назад
"We were there, and you will find us if you remember to look. And if you can't find us, it isn't happenstance; it's because we were erased."
@katienewell7350
@katienewell7350 2 года назад
This was brilliant! I really love how you did two different locations too, and how different they look. For my Medieval History course at uni last semester we had a couple of lectures on Jewish history for one of my modules, and they were some of my favourite lectures! I actually recommended your last video on the Jewish veil to my lecturer! As for wool thread, I buy thin and strong yarn labelled as 'embroidery and weaving' yarn, as I find this is a great thickness and should be nice and strong for the seams.
@artofescapism
@artofescapism 2 года назад
excellent video! i'm an archaeologist, and my job always deals with the people and objects that no one bothers or wants to write about, the things that history doesn't always want recorded. it's always good to see these things brought to light, and i have such a fondness for learning about historical dress! thank you for the lesson!
@dizasteroid7
@dizasteroid7 2 года назад
Jewish history is my favorite subject. The alephbet, the calendar, the feasts even the mazzaroth. I always thought much about how the Jewish peoples were the most meticulous record keepers in history and how it became for the benefit of the world. I love how each letter of the alephbet has certain meanings as well as a number associated. Whose words can be powerful and sacred. When more letters are placed together the combinations of meanings increase and after that you can meditate on the profound messages hidden in plain sight in the very first verse of the Torah or think about the significance behind a name. I love how the constellations of the mazzaroth tell a complete and wonderful story from beginning to conclusion. I also love the history outside of the scriptures from the maccabean revolt and it's heroes to the bubonic plague in Europe where it was noticed that the plague was not decimating the Jewish community. Jews were then accused of placing curses on the local populace in order to take over their land and country. This because Jewish people had a traditional concept of sanitation and uncleanliness. In the time of Moses they were instructed not to defecate near their encampments because the spirit of the Lord traveled with them and it was offensive for their sewage to be so near their encampments. They were told not to cohabitate with unclean animals like rats and mice. If vermin we're actually spreading the bubonic plague in Europe then the Jews were at an advantage indeed. We know they were not placing curses but rather blessed with knowledge. I also love the music and the food. Mazzoball soup with dillweed garnish has a featured spot on my ethnic foods of epicness list.
@tovaleh2626
@tovaleh2626 2 года назад
This is so interesting! i love how you explain the Jewish concepts. I'm modox myself, and am super interested in the intersession of historical clothes and halacha ever since I found this corner of the interwebs. I wonder if the overdress would be something not considered acceptable in some circles because of the emphasis around the torso? While, obv, chazal aren't as strict as us in some respects and stricter in others, I wonder if this would be something they wouldn't count as arva since you are technically covered, but hypothetically could be because the whole idea is the silhouette. I'd love to see you do more videos on other Jewish communities clothes across Europe (and other places, obv lol but I understand that's not really your wheelhouse). I recently did a Jewish tour of ancient Rome and the guide's insights into regular life was so interesting. Edit: lol by recently I obviously mean in 2019.... strange how that feels like only months ago.
@SnappyDragon
@SnappyDragon 2 года назад
The bliaut's silhouette and the evolution of more fitted kirtles + the "gates of hell" sideless surcoat that followed it were considered pretty shocking by some Christians, so it would not surprise me if there were Jews who felt the same way!
@quikyquak1642
@quikyquak1642 2 года назад
I can’t believe i discovered your channel! As a jewish girl with ashkenazi blood, i am so excited to hear more about my ancestors lives. The most I know about Renaissance Jews comes from Shakespeare’s “the Merchant of Venice” and it’s not the best depiction. I love historical dress and my heritage. thank you for being an awesome creator ✡️💚
@itwasagoodideaatthetime7980
@itwasagoodideaatthetime7980 2 года назад
I'm so interested in seeing this video. Most historical videos (fashion or otherwise) rarely give you anything. But a glimpse at the lives of minorities (if you're lucky) during the period they're talking about.
@lemonbalm3781
@lemonbalm3781 2 года назад
i literally teared up 30 seconds in and paused to write this comment. thank you so much for this video, your attention to detail -- both in sewing and history -- really shines. as a mizrahi/ashke/sephardi jew i love your work!! will def be sending this one to my friends as well.
@hazeluzzell
@hazeluzzell 2 года назад
What I do if I’m sewing woollen cloth, is to pull threads out of the fabric I am sewing. Same with linen. Works very well.
@HistoryWithCharacter
@HistoryWithCharacter 2 года назад
That Andalussian outfit looks super comfy, I really look forward to seeing the in-depth video of it later. Thank you for telling the stories of your people; I'm now inspired to do some more research. Excellent work!
@argusfleibeit1165
@argusfleibeit1165 2 года назад
This was great. It's true, many of us were educated to picture European history as white and Christian. Learning about the long centuries of Islamic rule in Spain was eye opening, and seeing so many people of African descent depicted in European art lets you know that everybody was traveling everywhere, whether voluntarily or not. We all need to get used to each other, there is no denying that. It's a big world full of wonderful and interesting varieties of people, and we all need to have our rights and dignity protected as we share the planet.
@jennieeveleighlamond
@jennieeveleighlamond 2 года назад
I know it's shipping from the UK, so the shipping might be prohibitively expensive for you, but DeVere Yarns makes worsted wool embroidery thread which is very fine and strong and could be used to sew seams if you were careful about your tension and waxed it first to strengthen it (they also make excellent silk thread). You could also use a "cobweb weight lace knitting yarn" (search for these terms, and you'll find plenty of sellers), but it might be a pain to sew with because the fibres are likely to break with very minimal tension as they are not spun as tightly as embroidery thread.
@bonelace111
@bonelace111 2 года назад
Depends on the cobweb yarn, if it's firmly and/or worsted spun (and especially if it's from a long-but-fine staple breed like Shetlands) it can actually be pretty strong! There's at least one Shetland woollen mill (I think it's Jamieson and Smith rather than Jamiesons) that produces a 2 ply that's still cobweb weight, and I think also a "2 ply equivalent weight jumper/sock yarn" for colour stranded knitting that's actually 4 plied, again for extra sturdiness. I'm sure there's similar breeds and producers stateside but don't know of any personally.
@serapekkala8238
@serapekkala8238 2 года назад
This is so interesting, and as a Jewish woman, it brings me such joy to learn about the sartorial history of my people. Todah rabah and shalom aleichem ✡️❤️
@johannageisel5390
@johannageisel5390 2 года назад
Who knows the play "Nathan the Wise" by Gotthold Ephraim Lessing? It's set in Jerusalem during the Third Crusade (1189-1192) and tells the story of a Jew (said Nathan), a Muslim (Sultan Saladin), the adoptive daughter of Nathan and some unnamed Christian Templar. The play is a plea for friendship and understanding between the three religions. Sadly, the play was only written in the 18th century and its message was not heard in many periods of history. :(
@Siijiska
@Siijiska 2 года назад
Thank you for lifting this perspective! This was both interesting and important. Beautiful outfits. I've sewn medieval wool clothing before with either thin embroidery yarn (I've used a brand named Appleton, mostly because they come in so many colours that it's easy to find a match) or that kind of thin wool yarn that you use to mend old socks (that I have no idea what it's called in English unfortunately. Stoppgarn in Swedish if anyone else can find a better dictionary than I did)
@ragnkja
@ragnkja 2 года назад
The literal translation of “stoppgarn” is “darning yarn”, and I do get some hits for that on Google.
@rachelboersma-plug9482
@rachelboersma-plug9482 2 года назад
Unfortunately, darning yarn is usually a wool/nylon blend, not pure wool.
@user-ng1go1st6r
@user-ng1go1st6r 2 года назад
I love the Spain's head cover for the thumb nail
@seaamundsen4687
@seaamundsen4687 2 года назад
I'm so excited for the research/sewing tutorials! I've been wanting to create garb from this period.
@azteclady
@azteclady 2 года назад
Great video! I just learned last year that my family is descended from Sephardic Jews from Spain. Having been raised Catholic, this was more than a bit surprising, and goes to your point of erasure. I do not know (yet, the family is doing some research on it) whether there was forced conversion for survival, but it seems likely.
@selina5598
@selina5598 2 года назад
It's very common
@paloma_hill
@paloma_hill 2 года назад
oh I am VERY much looking forward to the additional videos about these outfits!
@JustJulij
@JustJulij 2 года назад
Thank you for this video! I love to see different cultures represented in historical fashion 🥰
@warsandrij
@warsandrij 2 года назад
I learned so much! I love when you do videos like this! Thank you for the extra links to learn more :)
@rainbowsprinkles2254
@rainbowsprinkles2254 2 года назад
I was not raised jewish, my mother was Italian and my father was german-french and my step father was from Arkansas and I was also "adopted" into a Mexican family(whom I love more than anything and are basically the only family I have left) but I've always felt a strong connection to jewish culture. I love the culture and the food( which I do cook on occasion yum!) and the family aspects and all the love shared. I just love all of it! Thank you for all of your videos they are lovely, educational, and entertaining 💚💜😸
@paperyakuk
@paperyakuk 2 года назад
I’m so glad I found your videos and your channel through the CoSy playlist. This video was excellent. I’m completely new to this topic and am really interested to learn more. I thought your ending was particularly poignant as well. As I’m totally new to this area of research (both the historical dress and the cultural/geographic/religious variations within it), I hadn’t heard of many of the specific names for the garments before so it would be great to see them spelt out on screen to (as you did for some of the other words). Thanks again for this video and I’m looking forward to watching more of your videos in the future!
@LauraIngallsGunn
@LauraIngallsGunn 2 года назад
This video was so informative. Thank you! I really found the section on not mixing linen and wool in one garment so interesting. Thank you!
@FayeSterling
@FayeSterling 2 года назад
As always, really great video! I'll have to keep an eye out for wool sewing thread for you; so far I've done well with Devere yarns in my sewing, but that was mostly when it came to felling and decorative top-stitching. Since I'm considering using it again for the construction of one of my upcoming projects, I'll have to tell you how it goes!
@emmar.r.955
@emmar.r.955 2 года назад
OH MY GOSH- I'm starting to get into historical costuming and history bounding and I've been debating if I should document my work or not creating modern interpretations of historical garments and making them for modern frum fashion. I'm so happy you're making videos on these subjects!!!
@CostumeLiterate
@CostumeLiterate 2 года назад
You made me cry! Thank you for this V! I'm looking forward to the sewing videos!
@KestralWolfe
@KestralWolfe 2 года назад
Beautiful work on the clothing! Better than that, the description and explanation. The passion, and the anger. Thank you.
@sheilaheinrich2656
@sheilaheinrich2656 2 года назад
Marvelous! You combined laws, history, garment construction, religious laws and more! Some of my favourite things. I stumbled upon this video and will watch others in the future. I've been sewing almost 5 decades and still learning.
@MeMySkirtandI
@MeMySkirtandI 2 года назад
Thanks for the fashion history lesson! Glad to learn these forgotten/inconvenient histories.
@nickyclarer
@nickyclarer 2 года назад
Thanks fo another fascinating dive into this overlooked area of historical dress! As for wool thread, darning wool is a good option because it is fine yet strong, but often only comes in small quantities (same with embroidery wool). You might have better luck looking for lace-weight wool yarn which can sometimes be bought in bulk on cones for weaving or knitting machines.
@jean-pierrecastillejo5477
@jean-pierrecastillejo5477 2 года назад
Fascinating! Thank you very much for the explanation and the visuals of the clothes.
@alexandramaclachlan7597
@alexandramaclachlan7597 2 года назад
I have curly red hair, and really wanted to colour it partly green/blue. Thankyou for showing me how awesome it'll look xx
@annelooney1090
@annelooney1090 2 года назад
AMAZING video! I love how detailed this is. I only have an amateur interest in social history and material culture myself but I've noticed it can be difficult to find records of this kind of history (particularly from Medieval Spain) so I really appreciate how much effort and research went into this!
@thirza9508
@thirza9508 2 года назад
I came back here after the whole drama that has been going on in the community. I wanted to refresh my memory on the history part since it is so concise and informative! That way I can understand the stuff people are sharing over in their Insta stories better. Thanks for the video V!
@FlybyStardancer
@FlybyStardancer 2 года назад
These are both gorgeous outfits! Thank you for doing such a difficult deep dive!
@Harko-
@Harko- 2 года назад
Thanks V, for the super interesting and entertaining history lesson 🙏. It’s difficult to state one single forgotten time and place in history, my favorites are the once I did not know about. Like this one.
@studious_nonchalance
@studious_nonchalance 2 года назад
Really fascinating and informative as always! Thank you!
@lspthrattan
@lspthrattan 2 года назад
Wow! This video was amazing, you really filled in huge gaps in my knowledge of the time and place! Your seams are beautiful, those garments you model are really something to be proud of in more ways than one. Thank you for telling me stuff I didn't know I didn't know!
@khazermashkes2316
@khazermashkes2316 2 года назад
I have both Sephardic and Ashkenazi ancestors, so I enjoyed learning what they wore.
@m.c.reizinger5443
@m.c.reizinger5443 Год назад
I really needed to thank you for this video. I watched it yesterday and in this morning I woke up crying (for the second time lol) because I was thinking of this video. The re-enacting and the information you gave is really really important and it also means so much to me because of my Ashkenazi and Sephardi roots. Also I’m a history nerd and I love to search about historical fashion. This video is really special for me and it really touched the deepest part of my soul. Thank you so much again and keep with this wonderful work ❤
@winterdavis4919
@winterdavis4919 2 года назад
V- thank you so much for your videos! I always love the historical and cultural context that you add alongside some darn good sewing! This video had me thoroughly engaged from beginning to end, was very moving, and has left me very contemplative. Also, I love that pink gown! Anyway, thank you for your perspective! I love hearing your historical research.
@franbihary8939
@franbihary8939 2 года назад
Love how practical and thoughtful in the simplicity of design garments were.
@canucknancy4257
@canucknancy4257 2 года назад
That was very interesting. Both the clothing information and the history. Thanks so much for sharing.
@renbortosky7052
@renbortosky7052 2 года назад
There was so much fascinating information here. Thank you for sharing your culture and research with us!
@fiveminutefridays
@fiveminutefridays 2 года назад
I really appreciate this video and I'm really looking forward to seeing the more in-depth ones! As someone who's culturally Jewish, and have been dipping my toes into the SCA in the Before Times (virtual events are not my cuppa), but with literally zero historical research skills, its been intimidating to know where to start on any persona, let alone to try and incorporate the history of my own heritage into it, as I have even less of an idea on where to start for that.
@Drag_on_king
@Drag_on_king 2 года назад
This video is so impressive I think I learned more form that video than from some hour long documentary. I tend to like the what if stories that some historical documentaries provide. But your concretness of facts so seemingly simple as clothing and the number of lives those two outfits could have stood for left chills running down my spine at the end.
@gideongrace1977
@gideongrace1977 2 года назад
This is such a wonderfully powerful video! Thank you for making it!
@AngelaGreco
@AngelaGreco 2 года назад
Really enjoyed learning from you -- thank you!
@horsenroundstudio
@horsenroundstudio 2 года назад
As someone who spins and also raises Icelandic sheep, now I want to try spinning and using some Icelandic tog (long outer fleece) to make wool thread...
@Eloraurora
@Eloraurora 2 года назад
Oh, cool! I was scrolling through the thread recommendations looking to see if anyone would bring up staple length. I hope your experiment goes well!
@horsenroundstudio
@horsenroundstudio 2 года назад
@@Eloraurora My Icelandics have fairly soft tog, so I rarely separate it from the thel. But I'm also picking up 4 new Icelandic on Sunday, so we'll see how things go.
@b_onyx
@b_onyx 11 месяцев назад
Wow, tearing up at that last bit-so much sadness for how people were (and still are) treated, but your words are also so beautiful, powerful, and strong. Thank you so much for your videos!
@Mimiheart9
@Mimiheart9 2 года назад
On a historical videos binge and this was recommended. Glad I watched. Finding info on medieval Jewish anything is difficult. Thank you for this.
@nicolakunz231
@nicolakunz231 2 года назад
Your videos are always so interesting. Always something new to learn.
@owellafehr5191
@owellafehr5191 2 года назад
Thanks for the wonderful and educational video! Your two costumes looked amazing.
@Galaxy-gr7ic
@Galaxy-gr7ic 5 месяцев назад
Thank you very much for this video. You explained everything very well, especially a lot of things I either hadn't known about at all or that I hadn't really understood previously. You definitely got me interested in learning more.
@sArnoldsdotter
@sArnoldsdotter 2 года назад
Fabulous video, thank you! I love how these parts of history is brought forwards.
@iknowiknowwhereiam8802
@iknowiknowwhereiam8802 2 года назад
I absolutely loved this video and shared it in several Facebook groups. Amazing content
@SnappyDragon
@SnappyDragon 2 года назад
Thank you so much for sharing!
@emilyjanet455
@emilyjanet455 2 года назад
Thank you so much for this video. So informative, so important, and so well presented. It's important for everyone to learn. (Also as an early music nerd, I appreciate the commitment to musical integrity! I have a mild pet peeve of otherwise historically well informed folks using generic vaguely medieval sounding recorder music for anything prior to the 1800s 😅 )
@marthaschwartz5031
@marthaschwartz5031 2 года назад
Wonderful and touching. Thanks for this.
@domvalentine9137
@domvalentine9137 2 года назад
Thank you for the beautiful history lesson. You are doing amazing work!
@amys2168
@amys2168 2 года назад
Loved your work! Great research!
@saraa3418
@saraa3418 2 года назад
I think your best option would be to reach out to your local fiber arts guild and see if you can get a spinner interested in a commission. Personally, I find this fascinating and as a spinner and a Jew, but I am also located on the other side of the country, so less than ideal for a collab. I've read about considerations for spinning sewing thread, but never thought of putting them into practice. Ideally for wool sewing thread, you'd want to find someone with considerable experience doing worsted fiber prep as the smoother and sleeker that spun yarn is, the better it would be for sewing. I've never made top before and have never really had a desire to until now, lol. Commercially, I've been finding a lot of 50/50 wool acrylic for applique which is frustrating. I'd almost suggest using crewel embroidery thread or tapestry yarn, but both are much chunkier than traditional sewing thread.
@SnappyDragon
@SnappyDragon 2 года назад
Yup, tapestry yarn is lovely stuff and I just used some for a non-sha'atnez embroidery project, but I probably wouldn't want to sew with it. Someone did recommend a brand of wool embroidery yarn that can be used for machine-embroidery, so I have high hopes for that!
@saraa3418
@saraa3418 2 года назад
@@SnappyDragon That does sound promising! Random sidenote, a friend of mine gifted me with a roving of 33%wool, 33% linen, and 33% silk a couple years back. I spun it up and gave it back to her and named the finished yarn "Trayf" It was a very different spin than what I'm used to.
@Demonreached
@Demonreached 2 года назад
Thank you for posting!
@bethyngalw
@bethyngalw 2 года назад
two extra pieces of information at either end of your historical narrative. Whether Al-Andalus was a pleasant and tolerant place to live depends highly on what you are comparing it to. Compared to other regions at the time, it was comparatively tolerant; compared to modern day society it was a brutal apartheid state. Jews lived in a state of oppression, with restrictions on diverse aspects of their lives. Thousands of Jews were massacred at least twice during the Muslim occupation, they were also massacred during the Reconquista by Christians. Life wasn't fun for Jews anywhere in the Medieval period. Jews were already present in England when they were "invited" back by Oliver Cromwell in the 17th Century. In fact the debate centered more around deciding if the government should openly acknowledge the Jews that were already present, rather than allow more Jews to arrive. Up until that point they were not publicly advertising themselves as Jews, because technically Jews were not permitted by law, instead they were simply merchants and supposedly 'Christian' on paper, while authorities discreetly avoided looking too closely at what religion they practiced. There was already at least one synagogue in London prior to the invitation. Cromwell's government was the first to discuss whether or not Jews should be free to openly identify. It took a while after that before there was any influx of new arrivals.
@faithlesshound5621
@faithlesshound5621 2 года назад
Another hint that Jews were still living in, or had returned to, places from where they had officially been expelled is the prominence given to eating pork in religious and academic festivals, including those of Oxford colleges. Some have interpreted this as a way of giving "hidden" Jews a hard time.
@teodorasavoiu4664
@teodorasavoiu4664 2 года назад
Under Muslim rule, both Jews and Christians were considered second class citizens in the way you're referring to. They both have a status of tolerated subjects, unlike populatios practinig non-abrahamic religions as far as I understand. I'm more familiar with the Ottoman context in south eastern Europe than with Al-Andalus, but if you ask me, paying higher taxes as a citizen is miles better than being legally slaughtered if you were found within the city walls, as was the case for Jews and Muslims under subsequent Christian rule in western Europe. Even for the wrong kind of Christian at certain times.
@bethyngalw
@bethyngalw 2 года назад
@@teodorasavoiu4664 You shared some interesting thoughts. And life in Europe was undoubtedly oppressive for Jews, as you say. But I think your statement is a little naïve in a way. The jizya tax was essentially "protection money" and you paid it to prevent the government from killing you. How likely was it do you think, if the options are "pay me or I kill you", that the people asking for the money really cared about your safety or wellbeing? It was as safe as the same tax was under the Mafia, ie not very safe at all. Sure they _said_ this would keep you safe, but would it _really?_ You had to be identified by your dress, so that people could see you were a dhimmi (second class citizen) at a glance. Which made you a target for abuse and cruelty from the general population, to which you can be certain the government would turn a blind eye. And along with that were ordinary petty persecutions such as depriving you of business, or making it harder for you to financially prosper. Because you were visibly a dhimmi, people could easily choose not to do business with you at all. The attitude towards Jews in Muslim countries has always been negatively influenced by a handful of hadith and Quranic verses that some people sadly interpreted as reason to treat Jews with mistrust, especially in business dealings, or outright hatred. So at least a portion of society viewed you as dirty and beneath them. When people look at you like that, it comes out in all their actions towards you. You may be protected from the government doing anything to you, theoretically, but that didn't mean the population couldn't, or wouldn't, conveniently do it for them. Jews could be beaten up, or killed by a Muslim, and how likely were the law courts on investigation to find in the Jewish family's favor, when the pervasive view towards them by those in power and the general population, was similar to the racism of apartheid South Africa? The injustice was systemic. You were also forbidden from practicing your religion in any visually noticeable way. Nor did it make you safe from being forced to convert, in spite the jizya tax theoretically being to protect your right to follow your own religion. There were multiple state-driven slaughters of both Christians and Jews under the Ottomans, and forced conversions. The Ottomans stole children from their dhimmi parents to raise them as Muslim, and notoriously trained those kids as soldiers then sent them back to their own communities to kill their own people. They even built towers out of the skulls of those who resisted their control, as a big terrifying reminder of what happened if you dared to think yourself a free individual not under dhimmitude. And as for those who were not 'People of the Book' their options were "convert or die". It's believed that under Islamic rule in India, 600 million Hindus were slaughtered. None of this is to say that life in Christian Europe wasn't violent and oppressive for Jews, but it's to say that frankly, saying that Jews under Islamic rule were better off than in Europe to me always seems very much to be splitting hairs. It was much of the same for them in either place, in reality.
@miskatonic_alumni
@miskatonic_alumni 2 года назад
@@teodorasavoiu4664 Non-Abrahamic religions encompasses most human religions, and most human societies have had tolerated subjects with their own culture, creed, etc. If anything, the Republican and Imperial Romans were more tolerant than many later Abrahamic societies, particularly most Christian ones and many current Islamic societies. There were multitudes of different faiths flourishing in Rome before the Church seized power.
@negationf6973
@negationf6973 2 года назад
This was fascinating to watch, I learned a lot. Also the outfits were really neat to see.
@ArtemisDianaApollo
@ArtemisDianaApollo 2 года назад
since you asked about our favorite often forgotten part of history. i do a lot of research into queer history, and often run into a similar issue to what you mentioned where, even though we are everywhere and everywhen, missing records of what local queer people were up to is very common, due either to erasure or the need of queer people at the time to stay hidden.
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