Getting my new CNC DIALED! // Vacuum Table Workholding & T-Track Fixture Table

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Learn how to add a DIY vacuum workholding table and a t-track fixture table to an Avid 4x8 CNC router! These two spoilboard options give me tons of flexibility for clamping material to my CNC and should make clamping and cutting parts on the CNC a breeze.
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@boko3155 3 года назад

First of all. F%$K YES. first video I have seen that is quick - doesn't bull%&T and focuses on sharing knowledge - secondly thank you! I hope we can someday make vids that share like this too - we've modded our avid and really happy with the result. Need to make a video too!

@JDDupuy 3 года назад

Okay now I'm thinking about this model over the Axiom.

@nolancraw 3 года назад

For the drawer slide issue, couldn't you have routed out some material off each side of the drawer on the router table? or was it too much material?

@TrailFeatures 3 года назад

It's always funny how machines like this turn into projects. The first two months of owning a 3D printer I spent printing more parts for the 3D printer. XD

@PSModernKitchens 3 года назад

Q: what was you reasons to pick this brand CNC over the others? Thank you...

@fredrikgrape1164 3 года назад

first

@dairybarnwoodworking215 3 года назад

It sucks through the MDF? 🤯. That’s sick!

@djrobstarrcom 3 года назад

wouldn´t believe it if someone tell me that this is working

@michaelporter9940 3 года назад

"Brady Vac". Been using it for years. It IS sick!

@PjotrStroganov 3 года назад

Been working with a Homag Vantage 12L for a few years now and it uses the same principle. Low quality mdf is best to use as it lets through more air. Nice about this industrial machine is the work area. About 3600x1700mm.;)

@markharro8900 3 года назад

Is this simply relying on the porosity of the MDF? I was wondering the same question.

@davidurdahl6656 3 года назад

When Jonny calls it bitsbits so many times, the company eventually just drops the & from their name. lol

@AquaFreak Год назад

TIP! close the edges of the MDF with white wood glue. that way your spoilboard is going to have 40% more suction power.

@tmasopust 3 года назад

It's amazing the everyone with a CNC seems to go through the same evolutionary process of trying to come up with the perfect clamping/spoil board solution. We are on iteration 4 or 5 at this point having initially tried the same things you are doing :)

@donbillington6360 3 года назад

What methods do you like the most?

@matsler89 3 года назад

You can put some t nuts into your melamine vacuum zone piece and then create a file for your CNC to cut out recessed mounting holes that match the t nuts. This allows for repeatable mounting for your spoil board and it saves your melamine piece from multiple screw holes in it over time.

@craftedworkshop 3 года назад

Good idea!

@kineticjoinerypty.ltd.8537 Месяц назад

Hi Crafted Workshop ! Thank you for the great video on how you setup your overall AVID CNC Vacuum Table Top construction and plumbing to the Black Box Hurricane Vacuum Pump ! I have a similar AVID 4' x 8' CNC Router Table, however the Black Box Hurricane Vacuum Pump are not readily available here in Australia, so I will need to look for something similar, or construct my own ! On another side note I saw that you used SketchUp Pro to make your initial design for your Cabinetry Layout, but I would greatly appreciate knowing what CAD/CAM software you used to actually create the chest of draws individual components, and also obviously nest all of these items to be cut directly on the AVID CNC ? I hope you can help me with this inquiry ! Keep up the great work and videos ! Regards Kinetic Joinery.

@godin8262 2 года назад

Something I don't get it. You made on a melamine board plenty of groove for the air of the vacuum to pass after that you had a Prestwood board over that vacuum board and I saw you plane that board on both side after that you put and small board over that Prestwood and put the vacuum ON, the vacuum pump vacuum that board down across that Prestwood. If there is a Prestwood over the groove how the air pass for vacuuming down that small board? I never saw you drill hold on that Prestwood. At 6:30 on the video. Sorry, I missing something here. By the way that very nice work.

@jake196.21 3 года назад

How loud is the vacuum. I know you'll have dust collection/CNC running at the same time, I was just curious on its own as well as with everything running altogether.

@jeffcalvert6502 3 года назад

Use nylon screws to hold down the spoil board. Never ruin a bit by hitting a screw. When you have to change the spoil board (and you will) they can just be cut out.

@JDDupuy 3 года назад

Great tip!

@strandedpirate6346 3 года назад

you lost me once you started the table inception. table on a table on a table on a table in a table.

@palo_mudo 3 года назад

I thought so also.

@alexcampbell492 3 года назад

I have a large CNC router with a vacuum system. I didn’t see if you used gasketing in the plenum. It makes a big difference. I split my spoilboard so I can slide the front section onto the back and then use gaskets right on the plenum for huge holding power when doing surface work or engraving.

@roeschdan 3 года назад

Do you have a diagram that can explain this more. I don't quite understand

@furthernorthfab 3 года назад

She’s a beauty.

@elanman608 3 года назад

to improve holding just lay clingfilm over the part and surrounding area.

@numninja830 2 года назад

I know it's way too late but why did you choose to buy such an overpriced vacuum pump? Four motors? $2700? I bought a single stage 3.5 psi blower pump for $610 and I can't reason any logic in your equipment purchase decision. Especially since my vortex blower only takes up 14"x14"x12" and yours takes up half the underside of a 4'x8' table. I get 126 lbs of holding force in 6"x6", more than I will ever need. You could have spent the money I saved and bought a used Bridgeport mill like I'm doing.

@Andy-ue3dv Месяц назад

Maybe it was given to him from the company? Idk. Question, about your cnc is it the same size as his?

@weberwoodshop 3 года назад

Damn that’s cool. Congrats on an awesome setup!

@craftedworkshop 3 года назад

Thanks man! Your CNC setup is pretty damn sweet too.

@christiansnyder2633 7 месяцев назад

Hey man do you have the file for the plenum board with the grid!

@jasonathr Год назад

Could you tell me what software you use to design the cabinets?

@jonjon3829 3 года назад

hopefully you also sealed the screws? otherwise its gonna leak there.

@RageGuitars 3 года назад

For a tad better vacuum, seal the side of your spoil board with the fast edge. There is a little bit if leakage thru the edge. Great video

@craftedworkshop 3 года назад

Good tip, thanks!

@joshm4519 3 года назад

@@craftedworkshop wood glue works too.

@nathwald 3 года назад

Also add a gasket between your vacuum grid and your spoilboard

@r2db 8 месяцев назад

@@nathwald That was what I had thought the square pattern was going to be used for. It is pretty much standard with metalworking machine vacuum fixture plates.

@thomashogan1645 2 года назад

Hey you've been using this for a year now. How about a review?

@KBrogger 3 года назад

1. Seal your spoilboard to the plenum. You're loosing a lot there. There's gasket material 2. Seal the edges of your spoilboard. Almost anything works. Cheap latex paint even. I started using plastidip. 3. Get some proper dust collection. What you have, does not work. You should not have the mess you have from running a full weekl, nevermind just from surfacing the spoilboard. 4. Most through cuts only need .002" of penetration into the spoilboard. The deeper you go, the more vaccum you loose, the more likely parts are to move, and the more often you have to re-surface it.

@dennisvancoolwijk6147 5 месяцев назад

Do you not have to use rubber in your grid under your spoilboard?

@jimhinkle7245 3 года назад

Just found this. DANG BUBBA!!!! Very Very nice setup!!!!

@serverghost8634 3 года назад

Question: What Software did you use for designing the cabinet?

@mrbillheineken 2 года назад

Following

@chrisose 3 года назад

Beast? Adequate possibly but a certainly not a beast.

@shakejones 2 года назад

great video + presentation + explanation! well done mate! thanks for sharing!

@ronhampe 3 года назад

Curious did you glue all of the pvc fittings for the Hurricane?

@duncangiel9564 3 года назад

Awesome! You mentioned you selected the Blum under mount slides in the software. Which cabinet software are you using? Or is that part of Aspire?

@maximazur4854 3 года назад

You can download Dynaplan that is a Blum software for building cabinets

@johnramminger 3 года назад

Looks like he is using mozaik. Awesome software

@Utaheyelid 3 года назад

I have the same 4x8 router and vacuum system. I think you're gonna find you don't want all those screws and inserts in your spoilboard. If you are using this table as often I would expect, you'll quickly tear up your spoilboard and lose vacuum power. You'll want to resurface it fairly regularly and all those screws will just become a pain in the butt. Just glue the lightweight MDF to the plenum board and when you want the t-track board, attach it with wood screws in the corners. I go 98% through my spoilboard and then just glue another one on top. Works great.

@ricardoramirez3084 3 года назад

I was wondering if both of you plumbed with schedule 20 or 40?

@nitrousair 2 года назад

does the glue hinder the suction from the vacuum when you glue the spoilboard to the plenum?

@Utaheyelid 2 года назад

@@nitrousair No. Just glue completely around the edges and then in small spots scattered around the board. The air will pull right around it. Be sure and take a millimeter off the bottom side of the MDF that will attach to the plenum, then flip it, glue it and surface the other side completely.

@jimeronimo 3 года назад

Well I could use one of those. Lol. Out of curiosity, what are you going to do with this cnc? I'm asking because I have to admit I'm curious about a project. Let me know and if so, an email or a way to chat. I have an Irish home pub I'd like to get some work done for. Jim

@drich6816 Год назад

Hello, I'm getting ready to order a Avid machine. How do you like it? Do you feel the leg kit is stable enough? Thanks

@drich6816 Год назад

why didn't the Dust collector work?

@stu-po 3 года назад

I really enjoyed seeing this go together and the mystery of the vacuum pump through the mdf!

@danielglr Год назад

Can you tell me wich vacuum did you use ??

@gibeshrugs6825 2 года назад

It's a CNC Router, no such thing as a CNC

@klavsvasilis 2 года назад

ohh.. i see mozaik interface.. :)

@lenshelton2810 Год назад

What cabinet CAD software is that?

@stingrayguy8294 2 года назад

what was the cost of the hurricane vacuum ?

@shwoard386 2 года назад

how much did this entire setup cost? Avids website only has a price for the mechanical portion, everything else is broken out be separate parts

@jayedwin98020 3 года назад

Maybe someone has already asked this. Did you just 'dry fit' your PVC pipe and fittings? I didn't see you using any PVC cement. If correct, will not using cement give you an adequate 'seal' on your system? And by the way, "Great video"!

@jamshidkhasanbayev1587 3 года назад

Bro, I have a question, which type of Stepper motor did you use for X and Y? Nema 34? I am also planning to make my own CNC. The size of the CNC will be aproximately the same with your CNC's. can I use Nema 23 (the strongest one with 112 length and 3 N.m). can this stepper motor handle it? please give your suggestion, thanks!

@JustinWild 3 года назад

What's the grand total $ for this setup?

@erik_natzke 3 года назад

Q: Did you make or buy that Dust Shoe? Looks solid! Polycorbonate perhaps. Mine has a bit of give (made out of HDPE from the Avid Instructions). It works, but I like the appearance of yours... thus the query. Thanks for taking the time to reply (AND make these videos. MUCH APPRECIATED & Learned)

@johncarr123 2 года назад

Do you have the Cut2d files or CAD files for the board for download? What are the size of the squares and spacing between the squares?

@miguelarevalo4986 Год назад

What's the software you use?..cheers

@kellyb7321 3 года назад

Overall, what was the final cost of this project?

@TheWoodCrafter1 3 года назад

Just a few 10 thousand bucks

@calvinlamb8512 3 года назад

Free

@daviddavis1322 3 года назад

Bind the edges of the mdf spoil board, too. It'll really help focus the vacuum to a quadrant

@bcer960interurban 3 года назад

it's faster and easier to put 2 coats of shellac on the edges of the MDF

@Yoursoul101 3 года назад

So dumb question, but what is your day job? That seems to be a shop that easily costs maybe 100k with the quality of tools and machines you have.

@iraydiaz5888 3 года назад

Do you have a video or a site with what software you use for your CNC Workflow? CAD > CAM > Machining [I saw mach4 or mach3] [Does Aspire function as a CAD and CAM?]

@ericrouanet1262 2 года назад

Hi,what furniture software is it?

@shawnzavoda2050 3 года назад

Can you put t-track directly into the flow through MDF piece if you sealed the track groove? I realize the area where the track is would not have suction, but any other issues doing that?

@criticalbill 2 года назад

Can you link to the auto z mounting bracket 3d print code please :-)

@davidthompson9359 3 года назад

For small or garage CNC setups would a Hurricane vacuum system cost too much in electricity to be worth the install?

@fredericgiraud5663 3 года назад

salut quel est la puissante de ta pompe a vide ? je voudrai faire une table a vide aussi ma table fais 1.5mx1.4m merci

@Gar10n5963 Год назад

do you have a link for your file.

@fifty1fifty 3 года назад

Probably got it all for free....

@scottschneider4596 3 года назад

Seems like that dust collector isn’t powerful enough? Have you seen the double sided dust boot?

@taklah 3 года назад

We are installing our Hurricane right now as I am writing this and I noticed that your filter can is connected backwards. Blue sticker on the side of the can says (from CNC). Did that cause any problems so far?

@craftedworkshop 3 года назад

Wow, good looking out! Hasn't caused issues but I'll definitely fix that before using it again.

@morrow275 3 года назад

Where do I find the glue you use to glue in the T-track?

@pistolpete9978 3 года назад

I think he said, "CA Glue," which is cyanoacrilate, or "Super Glue." For even faster setting, use CA on one side, and CA accelerator on the other.

@markbarber3642 2 года назад

It is Bits & Bits, not "BITS BITS"

@tuscanland 2 года назад

May I ask if you have the 4HP or the 8HP spindle mounted to the router?

@mattthrogmorton 2 года назад

Is there any way you would share your finished file for the routing on the plenum?

@mavigogun 9 месяцев назад

"Rockler", "Rockler", "Rockler"- relentless product placement.

@TOP-SOUND-CHANNEL 3 года назад

Hi. Any idea of the minimum negative vacuum pressure, needed for a simular vac-system?

@toddm9957 3 года назад

I would like to know what size spindle are you using I have the same cnc table from cnc router parts.

@IceGene 3 года назад

7:52 that slide was sooooo satisfying.

@ronan4681 3 года назад

Looks expensive, undoubtedly double the price for us in Australia

@workshop_edits 3 года назад

Forgive me if I missed it - but how does the air pass through the MDF spoil board? Is it just because it's a composite material with thousands of tiny holes that are basically too small to see?

@theonlyiainever 3 года назад

MDF is extremely porous, that's why it swells up so much when it gets wet.

@workshop_edits 3 года назад

@@theonlyiainever makes sense - cheers

@Bale747 3 года назад

Curious, what did the full setup set you back ? CNC DC VAC ? Cheers

@akquicksilver 3 года назад

Awesome set up brother! Time to see some killer CNC projects.

@MrFreeway99 3 года назад

Would you mine sharing your post for mozaik? Its taking a long time to get mine.

@unclebob8746 3 года назад

You mentioned Legacy Woodworking for one of the designs (can't remember if it was the vacuum table or the t-track table) but both of these designs are from Legacy. You may have modified the hole pattern to fit your machine, but the designs are Legacy's. Also, as commented below, the fine dust from milling MDF acts more like a gas than dust and will stay in the air for hours. Check out Shop Hacks for an air filtration system. I built one and it works great to clear the air of really fine dust particles, as well as circulating the heat and air conditioning. I have a Legacy Maverick 3x5 with ATC. More money, but much beefier machine than the Avid.

@craftedworkshop 3 года назад

Yes, I mentioned that the design was based on Legacy's and would have linked to their video but it appears they removed it from their channel for some reason. I'll check out that filtration system!

@wherethegravelgoes9542 3 года назад

yo, Id be willing to pay for the plenum dxf file

@lomoDaniel 3 года назад

Buying a couple tables, soon. Thanks for providing useful information. Any regrets or things you'd configure differently, now that you've used it for a while? I'll be running both router and plasma. Starting a new shop in Westchester, NY.

@luwk 3 года назад

Why don't you use the powermatic cyclone dust extractor on the cnc machine

@murali1068 3 года назад

Very cool.. what is the total approximate cost to setup like this?

@Z-add 3 года назад

That dust collection obviously isn't working

@beanxlj 3 года назад

What software did you use for the cabinet? Thanks

@jorgevillalpando4269 3 года назад

How much will this machine run full assembly.

@johnbaker4390 3 года назад

Sorry, can you supply the Vectric files?

@MCsCreations 3 года назад

Pretty interesting process, dude! Great work! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@spokeman 3 года назад

How much does the whole CNC setup cost? about

@Kcustom216 3 года назад

How much did that machine set you back?

@ZediZero 3 года назад

Oh man what a machine ! :D I want it soooo bad ! I got an x-carve. But its... limited i should say. Good work man !

@Dragonrockstar88 3 года назад

One thing we do at our shop to help suction through the MDF is seal the sides with some spray paint.

@jacobguilbert5312 3 года назад

Thanks for the video! I’m currently planning out my Cnc purchase. Are you running off of 3 phase or single phase? And if single phase, does the drop ~2hp drop in power still machine like a boss? I.e single pass cuts on 3/4” plywood with decent feed rates? Thanks!

@GothicCucumber 2 года назад

Single pass cuts on 3/4 ply would be rough on any hobbyist/consumer grade CNC. I normally make 2 or 3 passes. Also helps make sure you have time to stop the machine if it looses a step and eats into a good part

@JNDCreations 3 года назад

What’s a set up like that worth? The Cnc and vacuum system.

@rchavez5056 3 года назад

The CNC is at least14K check out their site.

@stewskinner5717 3 года назад

That’s the turducken of CNC tables.

@Stevethatiam 2 года назад

Great job on the vacuum setup! This video helped me a bunch! Would you mind sharing your feed and speeds that you used for the vacuum table?

@gerrysantora1706 3 года назад

Are you drilling your holes with the router bit, or changing out the router bit for a drill bit, and then running a separate drill program?

@craftedworkshop 3 года назад

For the t-track table, I just used a standard router bit.

@peterkroeker753 3 года назад

I will own one of these when my shop is built I promise

@toozydude2 3 года назад

The vacuum working THROUGH the MDF?? Wow did not know that was possible!

@Z-add 3 года назад

Not only is this possible. It is how it is supposed to work.

@intelligenceservices 3 года назад

need to see inside the vacuum pump please.

@tstanley01 3 года назад

How has that single sheet of melamine held up to bowing. i am trying to decide on my Avid machine how I want to do the plenum. I am thinking that I might glue two sheets of MDF, for added rigidity, but I know I will loose some clearance. I am mostly going to be doing sheet materials, so it wouldn't be the end of the world.

@craftedworkshop 3 года назад

The melamine hasn't moved a bit, it's not really supporting much weight since the span between the parts of the 8020 isn't significant.

@tstanley01 3 года назад

@@craftedworkshop I think I'm going to steal your design. I just got mine moving this week.