If you have a mortgage, aren't you also at the mercy of others? Read my responses to the post by af31ns to understand the benefits of not owning your land.
I agree but it’s a clear covenant community and contract agreed up by all parties. However even if you personally hold title to land anywhere, you don’t actually own it when the state will send men with guns for not paying their taxes or fines. Also you will never own land when the state claims eminent domain over god’s earth. At the end of the day we only own what we can physically defend.
As a cooperative, each shareholder is a co-owner in the entire 1,245 acres of farmland. Over 1 million families in America own their homes through co-ops. It's especially common in large cities like Chicago and New York where housing co-ops are common.
My Family and I chose to move to the ranch and buy a share. Why? We have always wanted the opportunity to become independent and grow our homestead, the idea of becoming part of a cooperative was one that can be a great thing of like minded people could get together and be independent and self sustaining as a whole, to do it alone is possible as a group we have the ability to grow and have neighbors who are like minded, we are not “preppers” and we are not all members of the church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints, we have many different people from various beliefs, we are a people trying to develop and work together to make something and be independent. What is wrong with that? The Last time I checked, I live in The United States of America as A Veteran who proudly served my Country, that is my right and freedom to do so.
It sounds like a wonderful idea, except for the fact, that after investing, and putting in years of blood, sweat, and tears, you never have title to the land. So still getting fleeced by the bar members running the State. It "keeps you under their Jurisdiction, statutes, and codes, which in fact is Roman law," and that hugely lacks any right to due process, of the laws of this land, we know as America, public law, common law, that which is common to all living Men, and Women. To actually exit Babylon, so to speak, you want all rights to the land, and soil, the fruits of your labor, without owing allegiance to a foreign trust. That is what our forefather's fought, and died for, when the King of England sent out his British armies, (the red coats) over the oceans, on Big Ships with Cannons, to all the lands, to take control by force, over all people, and lands. Americans stood together, and fought, for our right to live, and work in peace. And enjoy the fruits of own labor. We the American people are the only ones who won, against the British oligarchy, upon all the lands. And so after defeat the king said, "that's alright, next time, we will take them from within!" Which is what we have been experiencing the past 160 years. They have a very long history of breeching their contracts, by deception, fictitious use of language, and or force. (Do not be deceived). Breeching their Charter, the Constitution, and Peace Treaty, that allows them to operate commerce, upon our land, and to provide 19 delegated governmental services, (which include protecting our rights, property, and borders,) is proven to be a common practice through out history. They have never kept in honor. Since 2015 the British Accreditted Bar Association, a PMA, Private Membership Association, Holding titles that we the people said, could never hold public office, American as well as the International Bar Association, have been leined, for 50 serious crimes against all the innocent peaceful people. The State of Utah too, (leined for the same as above) a Foreign Corporation. After Trump left Office, The United States Inc. went through their 3rd, and final bankruptcy, and they no longer have a contract with the American people. It's important to know, when signing contracts, you always have the right to change the terms of "any contract," before agreeing to it, and signing it. And Know that which is "legal, is vastly different from that which is lawful." This agreement lacks the right to own property, and leave the fruits of your life's labor to your heirs. (Your rights, and your children are your property, they belong to you!) Do you choose to pledge that to something, or someone other than yourself, and your Creator? Is it not our belief, that their is only one King of all kings, Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ? Can we serve two Masters? The idea of making better choices, and creating a much better, and healthier life for your family, is a wonderful thing. ❤️ But those our some important things to think about, when making this investment.
That is a very interesting topic. We are trying to build up a homestead here in Nova Scotia. It is only my wife and I (and 2 young kids) and it kind of sucks that way in many ways- having a like minded community (organic, off grid, community,..) like they are trying to get would be worth its weight in gold. We pay high property taxes and are very restricted on how to use "our" land. If we stop paying property tax it will be sold off and we are on the street. We are not going to sell our place but if I were to do it all over again and live in the USA I would most likely join to Coop (would need to do more research and visit them but I think it is the future). @Nine Peas Do you pay property tax or any other monthly fees?
Hmm, the basic idea sounds good. A self reliant community. If they can do it right they can sustain themselves even if the rest of the country collapsed. Not owning the land may or may not be a problem. Depending on that contract. They can sell their spot to another, but since they can't sell the actual land it prevents someone coming in later a breaking it up. I guess time will tell. As for the comment about the straw, they are working towards self reliance. You don't start there. They brought tools , campers and food with them too. Eventually once the wells and houses are built, crops going good, etc.. then they will be self reliant on themselves and each other as a community. As for the satellite dishes, you still want to pay attention to weather and news. Only an idiot buries their head in the sand and thinks they're safe. You have to be prepared for as much of what life throws you as you can. Good luck
Purchasing a share is purchasing a lot and you own that share, it is yours, so you own that land. You can sell that share for what it is worth, only thing is the community will have to approve of the purchaser.
@@shawnhuff3920 I suppose so... up to you, i guess.. we do have the luxuries of a first world country out here.. we just like growing our own food, and the ranch has a lot of underground water, so it's a convenient location...
Sounds ideal except not owning the land. Build a home on someone else's property is not a good idea. Mobile home park residents have gotten screwed by putting a trailer on someone else's land. If you think moving a mobile home is difficult when the landowner becomes unreasonable, try moving a house or a well.
As a cooperative, each shareholder is a co-owner in the entire 1,245 acres of farmland. Over 1 million families in America own their homes through co-ops. It's especially common in large cities like Chicago and New York where housing co-ops are common.
@@AcademyofSelfReliance This is obviously something I don't understand. So as a co-owner of the entire farmland, who controls the land my house is on? If I build an expensive home with elaborate landscaping and decide I want to sell, how does not owning that land effect my efforts at recovering my costs? It just doesn't sound like a good set up to me. I can't see any reason for not deeding the land to the individual other than for someone else to have ultimate control.
@@af31ns This is a great question and a common misunderstanding. Each shareholder is given an exclusive contract for their 2 acres. The bylaws of the co-op corporation don't allow the board any control over that lot, other than to offer to buy it back at market value (know any builders that do this?). So, when you're ready to move, you simply sell your share for whatever you feel it's worth and the house goes with. Oh, one other thing, the co-op has to approve to whom you're selling (see my other answer why that's beneficial to everyone).
@@af31ns And to your question for not deeding the land to the individuals, I can think of one big benefit: Summary: Having the co-op hold the deed prevents the town from decaying into something undesirable for everyone. Gory details: Maintaining the town as what it was designed to be. The point of the project is to create a community of self-reliant families who are producing all their own food, water, and power. Having the co-op hold the deed prevents the town from decaying into something no one wants. It does this in three ways: a. The co-op reserves the right to approve to whom you sell your share. If each shareholder had no limit on to whom they could sell their land, then any unsavory character (land speculators, drug lords, child molesters, etc.) could move in. As long as the prospective share buyer is committed to living the lifestyle, the board will approve the sale. b. Because the co-op holds the title, no one can get a mortgage on their home. Therefore, it can't be foreclosed on and then sold off to some landlord or drug lord or child molester who has no interest whatsoever in maintaining a self-reliant farming lifestyle. c. Co-ops are restricted to one share per person. So no one can come in and purchase up a bunch of shares and then change the nature of the community by swaying every vote. Think of it this way: HOAs exist to preserve everyone's property values. Our co-op exists to preserve everyone's self-reliant lifestyle.
Don't think I'd set up shop in a desert personally, but neat nonetheless. The other nice part is that after 7 years if the family decides it isn't for them then at least they have that experience under their belts.
Glad I have my 10 acres smack dab next to the Green...We are building infrastructure for power, water, septic. There's a cabin, 2 storage sheds, more coming this year. We want to retire there and spend our remaining years doing for ourselves and enjoying some semblance of peace there before we hand it off to the kids. So done with city life.
The place is hopping in the news clip but the few time I have drove by in the last month it has always looked dead. I never see anyone outside. Interesting idea
I was out there yesterday and today -- a beehive of activity. Two barns being built, a road being built, kids meeting together, a greenhouse being built. Maybe you were there on a Sunday?
Just like buying a share in any other co-op, buying into this co-op requires a one time purchase. There is no annual financial obligation to the co-op. There are still property taxes for which to be responsible, but that can't be avoided.
When you buy a share you own that share and that share comes with the plot of land so that land is yours, you are not renting from anyone. With this setup you have better ownership of that land than you would if you purchased one yourself.
Nope. Google defines a commune as "a group of people living together and sharing possessions and responsibilities". This is an agricultural co-op, it's no more a commune than your neighborhood.
How self-reliant are you when you depend on your local grocery store for food, your town for power and water and to deal with your waste water? The co-op gives people the chance to move in the direction of producing all those life-sustaining needs for themselves -- to achieve a serious level of self-sufficiency. Like Rome, Riverbed Ranch won't be built in a day.
@@AcademyofSelfReliance "The co-op gives people the chance to move in the direction of producing all those life-sustaining needs for themselves" together... So they depend on each other, like a town, or a city... Do you see the irony in your post?
Nah, that's not right at all. Off grid means off the electrical grid. It has however grown to mean self reliant so many generate their own electricity, source their own water (wells), and deal with their own waste (septic). You can live off grid, and still have your creature comforts like internet & television. Heck, internet is almost a necessity anymore. Only the most hardcore go without it. That's why Musk's Starlink is so popular because it makes it easier to live off-grid, and still have high speed internet.
@@JDog2pt0 It used to mean that you couldn't be tracked because you weren't using the net, radio, tv etc. I guess that is not what it means anymore then.
I'm guessing you've never built a town before. Roads are not cheap. Neither are parks or greenbelts. FYI - there's no deep-pocketed investor making bank off this project. This is a land co-op, so our goal is to make it as inexpensive as possible to create a real live off-grid community.
@Academy of Self-Reliance as long as everything stays transparent it might not be too bad. 25k goes a long way up there. That land is junk! 25k!!! U coulda bought 20 acres and owned it all.
If you google "Dr. Steve Eichel's characteristics of a cult", the Utah OSR Land Co-op qualifies for none of them. Funny thing, the current American culture qualifies for several.
Oh brother living off the grid is great if the electricity goes out these people will no what to do I get it after what happened in covid 19 I understand
Typically a cult's leader does everything he can to retain and expand his power. Our founder, Philip Gleason, couldn't wait to be replaced as CEO and board member! He finally got his wish after serving in that role for 3 years and was replaced just last month.
Not quite. We managed to grow lettuce, broccoli, kale, chard, tomatoes, eggplant, artichokes, crookneck squash, zucchini, butternut squash, banana squash, cucumber, basil, spinach, arugula, pak choi, tatsoi, carrots, pumpkin, watermelon, goji berry, blackberry, raspberry, horseradish, radish, asparagus, comfrey, rhubarb, and elderberry in the first 10 months we were out here. The land looks daunting, but with some water and mulch it proved to be productive beyond our expectations.
This is not that. Each shareholder owns 1/250th of the entire 1,245 acre farm. Our shareholders own a much greater percentage of the farm than 401k investors do of the organizations their funds invest in.
As a cooperative, each shareholder is a co-owner in the entire 1,245 acres of farmland. Over 1 million families in America own their homes through co-ops. It's especially common in large cities like Chicago and New York where housing co-ops are common. We're doing the same thing but with farm land.
The journey to self reliance is just that, a journey. We currently still have to rely on outside resources while we build infrastructure and get agricultural efforts off the ground. Over time we hope to be less and less reliant on outside resources and more reliant on what we produce internally. People have been on this land for just over a year, but I imagine over the next 3 years we will be more self reliant than we are right now, and in 10 year even more so.
No. They've realized that civilization isn't civilized. Just look at the mess of the last two years. They believe that they're better off without it. I wish them good luck. I couldn't do it.
As mentioned above, if we were a cult our founder certainly would NOT have retired off the board and as CEO. We recently elected his replacement and he was thrilled to focus on building out his farm.
Honestly, the Vezzani couple in this video first thought this project was some kind of crazy cult thing. Then, after researching it, they realized it wasn't and that it matched their dreams of living a self-reliant lifestyle. Clearly, living off-grid is not for everyone.
They've realized that civilization isn't civilized. Just look at the last two years. It's gone down hill in a hurry. They feel that they've better off without it. I wish them good luck. I couldn't do it.
I tell you what's terrifying and creepy, masked people barging in stores with hammers, smashing and grabbing merchandise and running off. People breaking into neighborhoods torturing and killing residents before robbing their homes. If these perpetrators are caught, they either get probation or 5-10 years in prison. Now that's terrifying and creepy.
Why would we be? We're working by the book out here.. Plenty of inspections when they're due. All current water wells & structures are approved by the county... I believe we even have a license to grow cannabis out here.. But the plants all died because we were using a faulty watering system.
@@oSamiSrzoso what are yall gonna do when you use up all the water and the wells turn dry? You live in the west desert I don't know how this can be sustainable long term
@@ramosfabian99 if I recall correctly, the amount of water beneath us is estimated to last multiple lifespans... my generation, and a few after mine will have no issues with the wells drying up. I could be wrong though. There's a site that displays all the well-water availability across the United States somewhere. You'll have to look into it if interested.
