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Ghosts are OP in Beyond All Reason Too! Guide & Commentary 

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@lokimckay
@lokimckay Год назад
Hey Winter, I was sneyed in this game Great video, it was good to hear your thought process throughout the game and remember back to what I was thinking at the time. I thought I'd share what I was thinking / some responses to what you said in the vid - maybe it could be helpful. 5:30 - I knew I had a bigger army than my opponent at that time and could control and eat the wrecks after the combomb and also delete his defenses in the process. I don't think this was a questionable decision and I also don't think I was losing my lane - my opponent whacking up a few LLTs at halfway doesn't stop me from doing anything. I end up getting about 3.5k metal from the wrecks. 11:15 - I got the metal from eating the 2 com wrecks. Not sure what you mean about giving up a lot of ground, if the enemy runs forward I have some blitz's ready to cover the open ground. 16:07 - I have a radar toward the middle-left half of the screen - it was good to move it up closer to halfway though as you did. 18:00 - The reason you can't see the sheldon ball is because they have a mobile jammer walking with them, not because of a lack of radar. You can see I have a radar in the middle of the screen. It was good that you had a spy bot ready. 29:30 - You can reveal stealthy units with an "intrusion detection system" it makes little red raindrop circles appear where invisible units are if they are within it's range. Both factions can build one
@BlueTemplar15
@BlueTemplar15 Год назад
Yeah, I don't understand why he turned off radar view, since lack of dots inside it generally indicates a jammer, meaning you're less surprised by it ?!
@apcfire
@apcfire Год назад
I really like having the variety of content and the way you're doing this. I'd say keep playing around with the format. It's all been pretty interesting to me.
@RedSpatulaRTS
@RedSpatulaRTS Год назад
Nice I'm in this video against you! I was the noobiest player there and got wreaked. I enjoyed the game though =)
@TheLingWhisperer
@TheLingWhisperer Год назад
Winter, you've evolved immensely as a player just over the past couple weeks. Since you started, you've begun using combined arms tactics, repeat build ques with varied unit comps, playing the intel game with spybots, cameras, and jamming, using EMP, managing build power and ramping econ with reclaim or gifts. Makes me happy to see you didn't reclaim the t2 factory to build the gantry in this game. It seems good for pushing your timings forward but you just sacrifice too much utility and support in exchange for that extra metal. Winter, you've come a long way in a short time, and though it's no surprise that doesn't mean it isn't satisfying as hell to watch. I hope you keep making tons of BAR videos, I'll watch and like every single one as soon as they come out, it's entertaining as hell to watch. Protip... a mobile jammer in a flying transport keeps jamming even in the air. This can be used for shenanigans.
@willb5278
@willb5278 24 дня назад
Shenanigans? Those are my favorite!
@bluu.0111
@bluu.0111 Год назад
Need to use more spybots myself, though I use cameras a lot, since they counter the radar jammers. Also, played with you this weekend and I barely held onto the front while you swung from the bottom and killed the enemy. Thanks for the carry! -Salvare
@peterfranz286
@peterfranz286 Год назад
I like the whole view and more knowledge based videos - I don't play the game despite watching a fair bit and so its nice to know what the units are supposed to do and some stats.
@OMGSoothsayer95
@OMGSoothsayer95 Год назад
The depth BAR offers is really engaging
@michielmons
@michielmons Год назад
33:06 haha the instant regret and slight discomfort that comes with it. Funny. Anyway, good commentary. I learned a little bit more from it.
@bradleyreed8876
@bradleyreed8876 Год назад
I'm learning a lot from these BAR games with commentary. Thanks!
@schoenperkins8210
@schoenperkins8210 Год назад
“Oh boy! My second tank! Time to start harassing the enemy and making-“gets mobbed by 40 rocket bots
@platysplatys3967
@platysplatys3967 Год назад
You can detect them in large radius with t2 detection thingy. Perimeter something. Always worth yo make one in your base at least. Keeps your anti nukes safe.
@rouvey
@rouvey Год назад
This is a really great format, very engaging!
@poetspot8400
@poetspot8400 Год назад
That was an enjoyable watch and I appreciate the breakdown, very nice. Just seeing your thoughts on everything while replaying was very nice.
@combs3445
@combs3445 Год назад
Never in my life did I think to use the stealth radar units to EMP bomb the enemy. That’s genius
@calebshort2169
@calebshort2169 Год назад
loving the content can you do as video that is all about the keyboard commands and what to use and how to use them like a real in-depth one
@TheBargles
@TheBargles Год назад
Spybots rule. Even just to give LOS they can tip the balance in a fight
@coenvanpoelje5498
@coenvanpoelje5498 Год назад
I learned so much, thx winter!
@kiler273
@kiler273 Год назад
11:18 he got 2 comm wrecks
@RyeRaven
@RyeRaven Год назад
could you do an overview of the hotkeys? my brain doesnt really read the key tab very well and having someone go over ingame got keys in detail would help soo much
@danielmartinezmartinez441
@danielmartinezmartinez441 7 месяцев назад
So the moreale of this video is: build anti-intrusion facilities. Right?
@miszcz1983
@miszcz1983 Год назад
dunno if my voice counts but i like live commenting even if you are busy sometimes
@cadorin4294
@cadorin4294 Год назад
Any particular reason you don't use radar jammer bots in your battle group? (love the name btw i'll be using it from now on to sound badass)
@SawyerKnight
@SawyerKnight Год назад
the mouse tracker stops to show you were a click happens right?
@doctorhitler466
@doctorhitler466 Год назад
pleasure to watch, learning a lot, thank you for the content :)
@isitanos
@isitanos Год назад
Epic spybot use there
@catbert7
@catbert7 Год назад
18:30: Damn. That was really good, but it would have been twice as good 2 seconds later =o Or can you not get detonate if you get revealed/killed? Yeah, I've been surprised people don't use EMP more; seems really strong. Then again, they won't even build AA, after seeing a teammate die to Bombers, so...
@BlueTemplar15
@BlueTemplar15 Год назад
Nope, if you get killed, no EMP for you (unlike for the Armada cloaked mexes), that's why spies are so tricky to use !
@jonbauml225
@jonbauml225 Год назад
Great game! Can you up load a couple vids a day? I can't get enough
@BlueTemplar15
@BlueTemplar15 Год назад
He has more, including casting sometimes (typically towards the end), on his Twitch channel.
@LeakysTV
@LeakysTV Год назад
we want angry coach XD
@SleepWarz
@SleepWarz Год назад
Gauss cannons fire over wrecks better than sabots
@geraldleuven169
@geraldleuven169 Год назад
Are these the final models for units in BAR because they don't look impressive.
@sordis3309
@sordis3309 Год назад
Really wish you'd keep the camera at a fixed zoom level, at least for commentary, and focus on the fights sometimes. There's already a minimap for an overview of the battlefield. I seriously don't understand why you keep zooming in and out, it's so disorienting. Oh well, I tried, but I'll stick to your SC2 content.
@redshot1015
@redshot1015 Год назад
nothing slow about this game LOL.. i started playing last week
@hekk870
@hekk870 Год назад
The energy costs for ghosts and spectres are the same, the upkeep increases when they're moving.
@theslicer4430
@theslicer4430 Год назад
professional caster
@the1Blind
@the1Blind Год назад
we get what we pay for ;)
@EugeneParallax
@EugeneParallax Год назад
Some thing to note for Spectre/Ghosts, is that they also can be used to reclaim, though its counted as an attack and decloaks them.
@maverickkhofanda3539
@maverickkhofanda3539 Год назад
after playing 10+ games, maybe these styles can be good ideas: (1) full game commentary, more like your SC2 pro casting and let us enjoy your spicy comments (: (2) guides: topic focused: a) openers - for 1v1 & 8v8, and bots & air, frontline & backline b) cheese - both rush & greed c) important tips - like AFUS build order, vision, and midgame checklist (antinuke, antiair, antistealth) (3) "angry coach" style, the idea is to find common mistakes and learn from them (this video feels close enough) please do add more if you guys had better ideas!
@Jan4GER
@Jan4GER Год назад
I'd say keep it as you go for it. It seems natural to explain what your thought process is, what to think of, what could have be done better etc. I enjoyed it as it was in this episode quite a lot. I think as you pick your games and specific scenarios come up, maybe different builds and situations, you will automatically switch the kind of commentary but it'll generally stay the same overall. And to look at certain units is also very interesting. I never look at the actual stats of a unit and hope it just does well. To actually get super detailed about it is a real gamechanger for me. Thanks alot dude for this content you make. Its been a blast for me
@Angel90011
@Angel90011 Год назад
looking at the "apm" stat screen u can tell u click a lot more than the rest and are used to sc2 madness ;) If more players from sc2 start picking up this game and putting the same dedication to learning and making build orders in this game I think it would be amazing to see where it goes
@maverickkhofanda3539
@maverickkhofanda3539 Год назад
love your commentary! thank you winter for introducing us to this amazing game
@batailian3687
@batailian3687 Год назад
I liked the one player perspective with the basic commentary!
@eggos5074
@eggos5074 Год назад
winter checkout the countermeasures build item it negates spybots it detects them. They should make spybots detect each other give some counterplay or defense besides the one build structure.
@whiskeythetwisty5564
@whiskeythetwisty5564 Год назад
Can you start uploading your twitch live streams to RU-vid, or at least parts of it?
@mrpotato8985
@mrpotato8985 Год назад
You can build Intrusion Countermeasure System it will show invisible units on the map.
@testname123
@testname123 Год назад
I like the cast after with manual control. You don't have to stay zoomed out the whole time though. Loved the new attempt at a sign out catch phrase.
@jdave16
@jdave16 Год назад
I'd love to find some more people to jump into the discord servers voice comms and play that way. Voice chat can save so much effort instead of having to type everything out.
@retsaMwodahS420
@retsaMwodahS420 Год назад
Using a starcraft background r u fing kidding that's the enemy of TA
@HansPeter-xy7sl
@HansPeter-xy7sl Год назад
@wintergaming funfact water energie converters to metal have an even better conversion rate
@iliasshogenov5929
@iliasshogenov5929 Год назад
Hi. I would appreciate to see a guide to air combat and efficient conrols :)
@AidanNaut0
@AidanNaut0 Год назад
I see BAR video, i watch it, i comment in it, i like it, i subscribe to it
@billbutcher9236
@billbutcher9236 Год назад
first person of your hero unit of choice next time, also x/10 ?
@manumaster1990
@manumaster1990 Год назад
nice
@darkranger116
@darkranger116 Год назад
solar being a "loan" is a great way to describe it
@gilles22
@gilles22 Год назад
i really like those video, either you talk more about the build, the general state of the game or your personal experience. Thanks for the time your putting for us to enjoy !
@the1Blind
@the1Blind Год назад
If you're explaining, it should be from all players view except to make a point, like for example greens vision against your spybot (28:23). That said, there might be value in showing a player working with incomplete information, which is such a huge deal. So in conclusion, I'd go for a solid "it depends".
@krux02
@krux02 Год назад
I also like to build the cloaked metal extractors on the front line. They often don't get spotted, and if, they explode and stunn the enemies, very useful. But I am no pro play, I just think it's fun to do so.
@rogue-ish5713
@rogue-ish5713 Год назад
I say, switch up the setting when you are playing BAR. Imagine what your command center for your battle group would be. This is coming from a long time SC2 fan. Beyond that, the layout of the presentation is pretty good. Def getting BAR related Gifs and Memes as well.
@TheJackOfFools
@TheJackOfFools Год назад
I like the "total" view when you comment, maybe switching to a specific view if you wanna see if someone notices something they need to. And I like seeing your games, and then commentary in that order. Guides are nice too, but while SC2 guides got me watching you, I prefer your other stuff now.
@shadow7988
@shadow7988 Год назад
Those bombers were just brutal on both sides. Always so satisfying to watch a big carpet bombing annihilate a base.
@xFlazz
@xFlazz Год назад
I think it'd be better if you put the camera on player view, not player cam. That way we can see the same vision you had while playing.
@Gnat-Swarm
@Gnat-Swarm Год назад
Just a note: "sabot" is pronounced "SAY-boh" (emphasis on first syllable)
@dominicm6144
@dominicm6144 Год назад
I like the game commentary rather than the details. But thats because I don't play this.
@jlokyo180
@jlokyo180 Год назад
T2 counter-intrusion facilities hard counter stealthy base infiltrators.
@tandarenbgr
@tandarenbgr Год назад
I personally like the whole view more, Epic RTS for a reason YEP
@UnsoberIdiot
@UnsoberIdiot Год назад
......coom valley? Really?
@BlueTemplar15
@BlueTemplar15 Год назад
«Koom». But yeah, while I guess this might have been funny when the games were obscure, it's really cringe now. I'm surprised that the map got featured with this name, considering BAR's obsession for polish / wide appeal...
@cirno9349
@cirno9349 Год назад
I’m trying to get out of turtle mindset of supcom and it’s not easy
@JadeSune
@JadeSune Год назад
Stay Unreasonable. Alright, hey.
@MelKaven
@MelKaven Год назад
Looks like its time for you to join the big boi lobies :]]
@fibonacci112358steve
@fibonacci112358steve Год назад
"Gauss" is pronounced "GOW-sss"
@andyderp6473
@andyderp6473 Год назад
Welp time to enjoy this hitting me now
@speedrunnercaliorda2787
@speedrunnercaliorda2787 Год назад
Do a little bit mire build analisys
@Youwanttodream
@Youwanttodream Год назад
Love this format winter !
@T0tenkampf
@T0tenkampf Год назад
is there a building that doubles as a sort of ad hoc metal storage that could be used during short term gluts like recovering an enemy commander versus wasting time on a storage building?
@BlueTemplar15
@BlueTemplar15 Год назад
Yes, they are literally called storage.
@David_Brinkerhoff93
@David_Brinkerhoff93 Год назад
this format is best.
@jacktracy7839
@jacktracy7839 Год назад
Such a cool game
@patrickschutz8511
@patrickschutz8511 11 месяцев назад
what a great game
@skwerlee66
@skwerlee66 Год назад
one for the algo
@zacattack32441
@zacattack32441 Год назад
In the Gauss cannon vs Sabot, the DPS is almost the same but the burst is different. Gauss cannon is 675 vs the Sabot 852. Being able to almost destroy a Fiend in 1 shot is a pretty big difference.
@BlueTemplar15
@BlueTemplar15 Год назад
Also being arced plasma vs missile might be a big deal in some situations ?
@zacattack32441
@zacattack32441 Год назад
@@BlueTemplar15 I don't think those 2 are plasma artillery. That's another building.
@zacharywood3182
@zacharywood3182 Год назад
Love it. Great showcase with both essential strategy for the newbies and advanced tactics for those seeking additional polish.
@DarklandServers
@DarklandServers Год назад
Loving the beyond all reason content! Need more 🎉
@HagalazI
@HagalazI Год назад
If stealthy boys need a nerf you might do it by buffing the intrusion countermeasure or giving it something else to do. As it stands you don't ever see them being built much.
@bogdankozak7656
@bogdankozak7656 Год назад
First of all countermeasures detect movement not a spybot itself, thats why they are called stealthy. They ment to be a unit that go behind enemy lines and make sabotage or stops army in small area. Spybots are slow, low hp, energy heavy and need to be controlled by the player, they can be stopped really easy even without countermeasures: scout/cheap units, cameras, hell make line of fire so they can't go near you or build a WALL. No need to buff or nerf anything. Buffing countermeasures then spy bots become obsolete by placing 1 building, wich is not an option in game like this. Nerfing spybots and they will not be worth your money/micro investment.
@HagalazI
@HagalazI Год назад
@@bogdankozak7656 I was replying to Winter's comment that they might need some work done. I've never actually noticed anyone build a countermeasure. Would be curious to know what other people's experience has been. It's probably I haven't seen an effective use of cloaked units to merit a countermeasure on either side. In either case I see the spy bots as being in a good place and wouldn't want to see them nerfed.
@bogdankozak7656
@bogdankozak7656 Год назад
@@HagalazI The stealth and invisibility is under utilized probably as much as paralyze units were back then. That's why they can be a table turn move if done in right way and right time. Remember the moment when Winter got behind enemy lines with leopard(electro tank) and destroyed enemies eco, he could have added a couple of armada t2 stealth tanks and with them he could breach stalemate even earlier, though they are slower but have same effect as air drops but with more surprise effect. Same with mine layers, cortex crawling invisible bomb, cortex commando with twitchers air drops, tactical rocket launchers, t2 spider bots with all terrain... There is so many tools to play with, that will give an advantage in stalemate or boost your defense that frontline units can't do. Sadly all those options are forgotten during the match because of many other things that needed to be done in short period, and also because of current meta mentality that simply goes into range and firepower, which is strong but also cost big investment on mass to be a game ender. It makes some games really long and eco spam rushed, which can be avoided if playing as Winter said "combined arms" tactics not "big stick beats harder".
@BlueTemplar15
@BlueTemplar15 Год назад
Also because they require so much micromanagement (delayed self-destruction, no EMP if killed !), they are almost impossible to balance across all skill levels...
@willeatpants7691
@willeatpants7691 Год назад
Three Australians on winters team!
@JokeofAllButts
@JokeofAllButts Год назад
Smort winter. :D
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