Josh was not the first rider, Cole Paton and Brendan Johnston were the first, with Brendan racing Unbound on 1 June on the prototype bike. Good story tho
@@DaveGrey-c8tyou are correct that they had ridden prototype bikes and at the sharp end of the lifetime grand prix. But I’m pretty sure mine was the first production model to be used.
At some point, if bike manufacturers continue to angle down the top tube, we'll end up with dutch style gravel bikes... (I wrote my comment before I saw Jimmy's 😅)
I also own a Revolt, and could not be happier. To me this is a versatile workhorse with focus on a simple "getting the job done" mentality. It does not really excel in any particular category, but what ever terrain and usage you throw at it like road bike, commuting, gravel, cross country, trekking, "light" MTB trails, the Revolt has your back. Basically all you need to do is switching wheel set, and you a clear to go to have fun.
Love my Revolt. I bought a revolt 1, it had paint problems, giant sent me a Pro 0 frame as a replacement! Result! Fitted Rival axs and that’s been a game changer. Lovely bike!
Shit that's a thing? I have revolt 2 in matte gray and the paint rubbed off in so many spots because of the way they installed the cables. Never thought of of contacting them
LOL! Too upright! After watching nearly every bike fitTuesday video, I realised I was on the wrong bike. Fast forward and have bought the completely unsexy Giant Defy. Am super comfortable and I seem to be fast.....enough. This review gives me those vibes, unsexy but will be brilliant for the every-person. Would love to be riding a slammed Look 785 but I ride in the real world 😢. Is there such a thing as a sexy, short reach bike? Love your work 😊
I owned the previous design of the Revolt years ago. After the third snapped top tube they gave me a Toughroad (much sturdier frame and more suitable for riding with panniers, which seems to have caused the problems with the Revolt). Luckily I bought it new and benefitted from the lifetime warranty on the frame.
The revolt has been raced in the Life Time grand prix and other gravel races, and it was one of the most sold bikes when I was a mechanic for Giant. It fits many people's requirements; racers, enthusiasts and commuters alike.
YES, but it's too high on the front to be a truly versatile bike. I love the feeling, I love the concept, the innovation with the seat post, but I can't find my optimal riding position in a bike so upright when in my size
@@8paolo96 That can be said for any bike, certain geometries work better for certain body types. Find a bike that works for you, but to write it off as a race bike is a bit of a stretch when the results it's been ridden to have been quite impressive. The stigmata is inspired by progressive MTB geo, and its numbers aren't too far off from the Revolt's and it's a race winning bike. If anything the revolt is more versatile than a lot of other race specific gravel bikes.
It’s a perfect bike for me, love my advanced 2, I do a lot of rough off road stuff in Scotland … super compliant, I have 2024 with grx that I prefer over sram
@@8paolo96 Giant Revolts do feel upsized, but that doesn't mean you can't find a fast position on one. All bikes I've been a small. But I just bought a 2024 Revolt and I got to try small and XS and I went with the XS. Even in the XS there's no toe overlap at all and it fits me just as if it were a size small on a regular bike. Now in my XS I have slammed the stem and it's a fast, aero fit. Totally agree about the bars, size 42 on an XS feels ridiculous.
I have turned my (previous model) Revolt Pro into a "fast" ultra-endurance bike and it really works great! I have kept the giant dropper post which really helps to relax a bit on the downhills, 50mm wheelset, and 40cm aero handlebars. I have also slammed the stem. Having taken part in multiple brevets and ultra distance events I 've never felt more confortable on a bike that can also go really fast. + I have also kept the stock wheelset with gravel tires. I really think that it is a perfect solution for someone that wants one bike to do it all! PS: Giant DOES honor their lifetime warranty (not like Cannondale).
I have a revolt e pro. It's the dog's. I love it. I have to say the D fuse technology works. I don't find my bar's too wide. I thought your review was a bit unfair, TBH. You always sem to give Giant a hard time. The Revolt is a phenomenal machine for a normal person, like me. Who just enjoys getting out in the fresh air.
I have previous version and love it. Main thing I don't like is max front chainring in 1x is 43. Wish they would address that to fit a 46. I almost always ride in short wheel mode unless I throw in my 2.1 mtb tires for the chunky stuff. As for front end, I agree it is high but for me I was never real aggressive and I run almost slammed but with 1 spacer. I will say it is FAF on the road, on the gravel and everywhere in between.
Hello, I also have the previous model and I am able to run a 1x 46 on the front with no issues. It only needed the smallest crank spacer that SRAM provides (along with all the pre-installed spacers) and I never had any issues or play with it in the last 12.000km. You should give it a try!
@@robdemandt9296 according to Giant no, the difference is only 10mm. But do note that changing the position is not plug n play. You need also to change the position and re-adjust the brake caliper (it has 2 positions as well). Of course, if you change the chainring size the chain length will need to be adjusted.
@@robdemandt9296 I agree with you, especially when you use the biggest rear cog, but that is what the distributor told me. In the beginning I found it interesting fitting my 650b wheels straight from my mtb but given that the short position fits 50mm tires easily I just gave up and keep it short all the time 😅
Added a 6" dropper to mine so I didnt have to remove the seat post for packing. Downside is I lost the flex but it's so useful when riding MTB trails with 50's. I've also got long legs short body so the high front end just brings it back to normal endurance height when the road wheels go on. It's the bike that goes in the van for longer trips away where it can do a whole number of things well with a couple of sets of wheels rather than any one thing fantastically.
To remove a Giant seatpost which uses the wedge, just a sharp thump with the palm of the hand on the back of the seatpost, knocking it forward, frees it. Loosen the bolt first🙄
Mate..... That's the most useful piece of information I've ever gotten. I travel with my Defy semi regularly and the seatpost can be a PITA. Will give that a go in a few days. Cheers so much.
Seems like it's a little heavier than the old Revolt, I wonder if that's because of the addition of the frame storage. Look's like a good N+1 bike tho!
I get that you would want to test new bikes and this was a great Chance to do so. But could you also test some more affordable bikes? 1200-3000€? I specially like the pricepoint of the Radon R1 race Tiagra the Rose Blend. Both are hydraulic disc brake bikes for 1200€. And I also wouldnt mind some carbon frame bikes ~2000€ like the Radon SPIRE 7.0 or the Canyon Ultimate CF SL 7. Both are
Most would...and yet even people with 10k bikes don't get that choice. I agree...should be able to swap out cranks, bars and stem when buying any bike for the same type.
@@TerryNutkins3 Just had a look...they don't really allow you to change things entirely. They allow upgrading. At least this is what it looks like on the website. You can change brake rotar size...but you can't change stem length bar width etc....unless I'm missing something?
I disagree that 42mm wide tyres is 'good enough' for most people and based on Dylan Johnson's recent testing I think that in a few years most people will be on 50mm or more. There's very few downsides to running much wider tyres for regular users. The aeo penalty of a wide tyre will be very small at recreational user speeds off road, and wider XC tyres have lower rolling resistance than gravel specific tyres which makes up for the aero losses. Upsides: much comfier, more capable, better puncture protection, less need for any suspension (so the bike is simpler).
Depends on the tire and surface for whether XC tires benefit in rolling resistance (for instance if you're a commuter 80% pavement / 20% dirt or gravel, then semi slicks are the obvious choice), but other than that, agreed. Most people would/should take the significant comfort and stability advantage from going bigger despite any potential marginal losses in efficiency.
@@DarrenMansell I hate the combination of their Integrated Seat Clamp (6:45) and D-Fuse adaptor. It's always a pain for me to adjust the height, or to add/remove the rack adaptor.
Seems bit harsh. I ride the previous model - it’s great. Survived some hellish conditions without missing a beat. Not everyone rides in an aggressive TdF bike position! (Plus you never have to buy at RRP just get it in the sale next year)😀 But yes would be nice to spec all the component sizing especially at these prices but it’s the same with most brands and unlikely to change while people still buy as they are now. What’s more weird is why giant stores - who have access to all the components - can’t swap things around. Profit margins I guess.
I just bought a Trek Checkpoint ALR5 because it is a very simple bike. Surprisingly, for a Trek, it doesn't have proprietary anything. I'm not looking to race, and if I really want to ride off road, I'll take my Norco Sight.
I think you're overstating the MTBness of this bike. I have a 2023 model and two sets of wheels; with road tires, it doesn't feel that different from my old road bike. Also, I'm 6'1" and ride a 56, so I'm able to get a reasonable amount of saddle to bar drop (though I have considered flipping to the stem to get even lower).
i feel sometimes on this channel the geo/bar width/frame size conversation is skewed more towards a road forward crowd. been around bikes and people who ride bikes for some time and have seen plenty of people on larger frames/wider bars then what is suggested on this channel. a more upright position is going to be more ideal for a beginner who doesn't have the core strength. gravel bikes are great beginner bikes. giant being placed in the market that it is... is going to be many people's first bike.
Why are gravelbikes great beginner bikes? I don’t agree with your opinion. Its just a different category, gravel instead of road, and maybe is gravel even a bit harder to ride.
Ahhh, this is the Josh who was "Josh Cam" in Maddy's recent Migration video. Francis, you're right the handlebar sizes seem too big on the smaller sizes but also the crank length.
A great bike for all year round riding on terrible UK roads - I think you guys just don’t particularly like Giant bikes, you always seem to come up with minor reasons not to like them😂
I wish they would go away from that D- Fuse seatpost system. Lots of complaints online (and from personal experience) of it developing a nasty creak. So far my fix has been putting a piece of electrical tape on the back of the shim
In my experience the seatpost clamp is not that well designed because (as you saw in the video) there will be a lot of sand and dirt in the seat tube after some time. The rubber cover for the bolt is not sufficient to keep out all the dirt and thus the seatpost will start to creak after some time, especially after a lot of riding in the wet.
For me, this bike is out of it’s place. It’s not racey enough in this format and doesn’t offer anything extra compared to other manufacturers. The DFuse stuff is good but not enough. There has been a monster gravel version of it with front suspension and a dropper post, that spec is well balanced. This is just a +1 in the see of gravel bikes these days.
Still hate the MTB looks of it. Reminds me of my first Merida Silex in 2018. Long and slack, great for cruising. Bad for any kind of zippy cycling. Got rid of it bought meself a racy Gravel Bike, kind of more my thing when fit with 40-45 mm tyres.
I've ridden 50mm on my Revolt with the chip on the "small" setting. Not a ton of clearance, but for a dry ride it was just fine. If conditions were muddy I'd want to flip the chip to add more clearance.
As long as companies like Fairlight and Mason continue to provide well designed bikes, with no proprietary parts or integrated cable systems, then that's where my money will go. Failing that I'll just go custom steel. Simple, but no less modern designed metal bikes, are just easier to live with, which means more time on the bike, with more smiles per mile.
They probably complain the most! 😊. But I am 187cm and typically need a 58 frame (or L in Giant) but my fitted bar size is 40cm so no proprietary build works…..a big challenge is that we are three dimensional (or even more) but the industry usually fits bikes on one dimension only. I know that Ribble, Fairlight et al do allow user specification but otherwise you are in the game of immediately customising a brand new bike, discarding components and needing to spend even more money. The industry gets away with this I guess because most people probably do not get a full bike fit and put up with a bike that is not sized properly because they do not realise.
It's not just short people. I'm 6ft4, long legs, short body. Most bikes I run all the spacers. For example my TCR has a 15cm drop from saddle to bars with all the spacers fitted.
Agreed. Also when you putting on suspension like features you can just get a dropbar XC or hardtail straight away, having about the same weight & similar riding position
Its £5.5k and what XC bike can you get thats lighter and cheaper than this with full electronic groupset? Genuinely intrigued because a brief look suggests you can't.
I'da put it in proper good if it weren't for that ruddy great hole in the downtube!! Really hope those go the way of the dodo cause while sure, using that space is nice and convenient, i'd rather not have my downtube be a taco shell. I've had a lot of tacos in my time, and in my experience they're not the strongest of shapes. ...and sure you can reinforce it and whatnot but at what point are you then just creating a problem for a solution? Personally really hot for the previous gen revolt X, even though it's.... ...kinda sus....
Sorry Josh was NOT the first, Cole Paton & Brendan Johnston were the FIRST to get hold off the prototypes bikes. Brendan raced Unbound on 1 June on the prototype.
Boy's super review! I sold, pre and in the COVID period Giant, Trek and Canondale. All build by G! The comfort is great on the Revolt, but it Indeed feels a bit like a Dutch opoefiets (old school Dutchie transportation 😊). I agree the shiz of the smaller sizing, that they not pair it with shorter cranks and smaller handlebars. I changed because stock and willing to give service. I changed a lot off handlebars and stems , not only on xs and s sizes. Cranks are bit more complicated. 😉 Cheers again keep de Pcast rolling.
@Jimmi I know you were jesting and overeggarating saying that bike rides like a Dutch town bike. Still that is obviously an incorrect comparison. IDK if you have ever ridden a town bike but it is about a polar opposite of that bike in bar height thus back uprightedness. I have a Specialized Shiv Elite A1 2009 TT bike that has way higher arm rests than many bikes today. So the modern praying mantis arm position is achievable. Back in 15 years ago Spesh said that they studied age groupers and noticed that older riders ride with higher arm positions. So we were aero OG predecessors 😅 FWIW I restarted my riding career after a back injury with a town bike and ended up with a road bike with plenty of seat to bar drop.
I've just ordered a 2024 advanced 2, and when I was reading the specs/geometry, I was thinking the handle bars seem narrow, but I will admit, this is my first ever drop handle bar bike, I've only ever ridden mountain bikes, so if these are classed as wide, its probably a good thing for me as a starter bike.
I doubt ~1cm in a ~100cm wheelbase makes any difference at all that you can perceive, except for maybe a placebo effect, and a feel-good to justify the price you paid for that extra gimmick.
There's a place reserved in hell for whoever designed that seatpost lock mechanism. Don't get me wrong I love my Revolt (advance 0) but adjusting the saddle height is a nightmare
Tires. The good gravel tires (400-450 grams) are a tier above the 700 gram tires that the bike comes with. Which main function is to not flat, so the customer doesn't find out that the water based sealant doesn't actually work. The wheels can also be improved, 3. party from around $450 and up, are good upgrades. Asides from that, I have a Revolt too, and it's a great bike. Maxxis 120 tpi Velocita or Receptor (same with sideknobs) are good slicks. Tufo Thundero are good and fast gravel. Schwalbe G-One RS superrace 40 for a highend tire.
The DFuse seatpost is the only post that has a decent range without any moving parts. When I first saw it under my mate, I thought his post was cracked, it moved so much. 😮
I ride a 2024 Revolt Advanced 0 (medium) with the stem slammed completly. This would not be possible now with the deep spacer needed to run both derailleur and brake cables through headset.... do I go down a frame size to maintain position? How do you get around this?
Hey Guys, I have quiet similar feeling of my BMC URS. Super versatile, comfortable, good for adventure, but stack is quiet too high. Getting into sportive position is impossible. I cannot switch stem, because it has very needed MTT suspension build it. Is there a way to lower stack differently? Like with „negative stack” handlebar for example (could not find such product). Anything? Thanks
Depends on your definition of gravel. I was running 44 bars on my gravel bike ( same as my road bike) and found the tops with levers cranked in too narrow so possibly need to go wider.Bear in mind i am 6'2" with a long armspan. Considering not everyone is racing and wider bars will give more control and leverage on these rougher tracks. Bar could be dropped with a minus stem and no spacers. But why would you? Unless you are chasing KOM or riding tame UCI gravel this position will give you more control and comfort! Not everthing needs to be a race bike!
This is hot tip as a future best in class roadbike then. "Too much mtb" normally translates to "will be roads latest best thing" in about 7 years time ;)
Would love to see you guys having a look at Halfords' Boardman range especially with their huge discounts on the go at the moment! The Adv 8.9 with 10 speed GRX, and hydraulic discs currently under £900!
I have last years Revolt, fits me perfectly and is a heck of a lot of fun to sling around. I've pretty much always ridden it with the flip chip on the shortest setting (unless I'm loaded up with bags), it feels more fun to me. The only annoyance I've found is the seatpost clamp cover, it pops off if you don't get the shim in the perfect place.
ot only are the bikes too big but the cranks are WAY too long for the frame sizes. Come on GIANT it’s 2024. 170mm crank on a small. 172.5 on a medium Seriously?
The wide handlebar setup bothers me,not responsive enough in tight spots- not confidence inspiring. Cannondale lefty more suited to what I want for quick steering.
I'm a bit biased because I've got one but I don't see how you can't put the bike in at least proper good. Yeah the choice of bars should give you narrower options but there's nothing else wrong with it. Most people need comfortable geometry. Any closer to a road bike and it's a Defy.
Hopefully the frame won’t crack on the new model, I had 3 frames replaced on the last model, Giant have a good warranty process for a reason, there quality control is 💩
internal cable routing for easy Maintenance ... oh wait do the hoses go through the headset Bearings ... that's a great idea .. can you service my headset yes that's 200 quid for what should be 60!!!
yet another shocking bike price!! not really what id call a gravel bike much more mountain bike with a drop bar, then beginners buy it hate the drop bar and fit flat bars 🙈😂 i think more people should buy hardtails much cheaper than “gravel bikes”
Considering that Revolts have been sold with such geometry since 2013, there may still be a lot of MTB inspiration in there before "Gravel" became a larger hype. But it would be new to me if all buyers exchanged their handlebars for flat bars.
I do ride a Giant Revolt Advanced Pro 1 from 2022 in ML and I've got no upright position issues what so ever. With semi slick Maxxis Receptors in 40mm on it, I've got no problem in going 30km/h average with friends on Canyon Grail CFR or alikes. Aside from the real shitty service of Giant (and horrible initial tubeless setup, the original rim tape was HORRIFIC) this bike makes me happy everytime I take it out for a ride. I think the geometry of the smaller sizes is just meh. Ah, I managed to break my D-Fuse seatpost and the Giant dealer didn't managed to install it properly the first try (after making me come into the shop, because of the demand by Giant of getting it installed properly by a certified mechanic - just clowns honestly).
Something isn't right with the sizing. For example, with mountain bikes, we often get small, short-ass bikes. The sizing is crazy; even a large bike can be too short. I think there's going to be a shift to shorter stems on gravel bikes before manufacturers make smaller bikes. That's not scientifically accurate for 98% of the public. They won't change a tried-and-tested bike. It's definitely these long stems you guys use that make a correctly sized bike feel long.
Most people (in my opinion and experience) are riding around with a 2-3 spacers under the headset (or probably should be). So if with this bike they can remove those and saw off the chimney then the geo is probably about right. Not for everyone, though.
I brought the 2022 model. Love it! Have been on pretty rough single track in the New forest as well as the lovely gravel paths. I have put a 80mm zero angle stem on as I felt a bit squashed. Changed the handle bars to 38cm. I did look at the Liv, but the giant was a nicer colour (starry night) and the crank length was 170mm on the small, whereas the medium Liv was 172.5, which I didn't want
I agree that Giant specs with too wide bars. When I got my 2021 revolt size L I thought 46cm bars would be great for control but after 2 years of shoulder pain I finally switched to 42cm bars and the bike feels so much better. I think the 46 bars are better fit for a football player 😂 I also think that their d-fuse bard are highly underrated. They have a very noticeable flex which helps smooth the buzz on gravel. I definitely lost the compliance when switching to Easton AL bars.
The problem with buying a Giant is the appalling Warranty back up. There's numerous threads on Singletrackworld about it - basically one rider changed the cables themselves, and so Giant refused a frame crack warranty as not all work was carried out by a shop...
Best out of available gravel bikes for me, more endurance frame geometry, enough tyre clearance for rough courses, mine is 8,5kg so pretty light, no weird suspension and converts pretty well to a road bike. Not sure which gravel bikes you’re putting above this 🤷🏼
the ONLY thing that puts me off giants is the proprietary steerer tubes on the forks, 1 1/8" top, 1 1/4" bottom, which means the lower headset bearing is a little difficult to get a replacement for (and thats even with me working at a shop with access to madison, zyro, windwave, extra, cycle division and silverfish)
Maybe the objectives of the review was in the wrong place, the bikes dose "Gavel" The racers I saw this year are STRIGHT MTB and that LOOKS to FIT , comfort Has top BILLING
