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You forgot the most recent and biggest issue, Gibraltar has no territorial waters and in spite of this the police from Gibraltar and the British navy keep getting in the way of the Spanish police and Spanish navy, with 2 British nuclear submarines having caused problems in recent years. One of those submarines impacted a fishing vessel by accident. Also royal Marines once used the Spanish flag for target practice.
@@rosslange1757 It does not have any territorial waters as per the treaty of Utrecht and Spain doesn't recognize that they do. They are interfering with our police and navy in our own territorial waters
@@rosslange1757 Yeah Spain is a member of the UN and abide by UN conventions, but Gibraltar has no territorial waters and Spain doesn't recognize them. If you wanna get the UN involved, when will the UK finally decolonize Gibraltar? When will Gibraltar stop being a hub for contraband and drug trafficking? When will Gibraltar respect Spanish immigration laws? When will Gibraltar let our police and navy perform their duties? When will Gibraltar stop being a nuisance to Spain?
The main difference is that Ceuta and Melilla have been part of metropolitan Spain before than the modern concept of “Marocco” even existed. Britain took Gibraltar after the formation of Spain, and holds it practically as a colony
@@robr1032 the area known as Morocco has been ruled by the Alawi dynasty since 1631, Portugal never ceded Ceuta to Spain until 1668, and the Alawi dynasty have always been trying to get it back, so arguments over "metropolitan Spain" or "modern concept of “Marocco”" idiotic hot air, and the title Sultan of Morocco has existed since 1666.
When you were referring to shared jurisdiction I imagined you were going to highlight Andorra, which is on paper jointly governed by Spain and France. Thanks for posting this video!
Not really a valid comparison, Andorra is an independent country that simply has two heads of state, one of whom is the President of France, the other is some Spanish Bishop. It is not a territory of Spain or France (or both). A better comparison would be some of the colonial condominiums that used to exist, such as those that were under joint UK-French sovereignty for example. Granted none of those exist anymore. Or Perhaps Egypt, which used to be under Ottoman sovereignty, but was administered by Britain.
As addressed in some replies here, this is completely false. Andorra is a constitutional democracy whose ceremonial heads of state are the Bishop of tiny Urgell, Spain, and the French head of state, currently its President Emmanuel Macron. Even originally when these two "co-princes" actually ruled there, it was still meaningfully distinguished from anything like being "governed by France." It was just another place where the same man happened to be king, and always would be. Andorra has nothing to do with the French government and never has. It is no more French than Australia is Jamaican. And with Spain there is even less connection. Pope Francis is closer to being in charge of Andorra than King Felipe is, and that's pretty distant! In fact temporal and spiritual powers of bishops, including the Pope and the head of the Knights of Malta, have always been much more distinct than most people realize. The bishop of Urgell is the only other bishop of any kind on earth left that has any temporal sovereignty. (Though the Knights of Malta head has a few of its qualities.) That is pretty cool, as well as the fact that the President of zealously republican France has always been royalty. (Until only a handful of years ago the people of Andorra also still paid in-kind tribute to their princes with a set number of hams, cheeses, chickens and goats, and so forth.) In practice the modern informal influence from France and Spain due to Andorra's size and location (it's almost a sort of high-end shopping mall, some only half joke) matter much more than the fact that their ceremonial princes happen to be from there. Almost nothing would change if they were a republic.
Japan has no case. When the Japanese Emperor had absolute power, he renounced Japanese sovereignty over the Kurils at the end of WW II. His decision was law in Japan. Japan is now trying to undo the Emperor's order. A country can't give up sovereignty over a territory and then say they were just kidding and demand it back. Russia can't just say to the US that it made a mistake and wants Alaska back. If Japan ever attacked Russia, it would probably get nuked again. They should stop whining about it.
Something interesting to mention, and often overlooked, is the neighbouring town of San Roque, whose oficial title is "donde reside la de Gibraltar", or in English, "where (the city) of Gibraltar resides". The original inhabitants of Gibraltar settled there when the English refused to return the city after the Spanish war of succession, and their descendants still live there to this day.
@@Finnbobjimbobso Spain wants it back. Spain gave it to you British since your military was strong and Spain was dealing with a lot of internal conflicts. Britain took advantage of this chaos and now that the times are stable it’s time to act like adults. Gibraltar is Spanish land historically and forever
I think you mean 'some' of the original inhabitants. Visit Gibraltar and you can certainly find people who trace their ancestry back to 1713 and before.
I missed a minute in the video talking about Gibraltar's behavior. Gibraltar has been a tax haven, a paradise for smugglers, drug and arms dealers. It houses thousand of offshore companies and hosts lots of online gambling businesses. It also regularly spills from refueling ships. People living in Gibraltar have become very wealthy due to these advantages and their existance sucks potential from their surrounding Spanish area. I wouldn't care less about sovereignty, but I would love Gibraltar to be an integral part of the UK inside the Single Market like Northern Ireland so there could be no check points between Gibraltar and Spain, with free movement and no shady activities being performed in The Rock. But Gibraltarians would never allow for it because their wealth comes from remaining a tax haven.
Never heard of something more incorrect/outdated in my life, you still speak as if its the 1960s-1990s, Police technology has progressed to a point where these are no longer issues, and if you think there isnt more smuggling across the rest of South Spain then thats laughable. Any serious crime is nearly non-existent in Gibraltar As for Tax haven, Andorra is also a Spanish tax haven, I dont see the surrounding economy affected, likewise with Switzerland or Luxembourg, so is generally a excuse and skill issue for La Linea
@@joefer5360 Im serious usually I enjoy political arguements, but in this case youre just 100% saying lies that you have 0 idea about, I was born and raised in Gibraltar and there is a gigantic middle class who make the majority who do not participate or even see any criminality of the sorts mentioned above whatsoever. Andorra is also a tax haven and it does not affect surrounding areas, the Spanish dont critique it because its a Spanish microstate
@MrColaKO , I am from Gibraltar , and at one point in time smuggling was prevalent , but one thing that you should come to realise is that there is high unemployment rates in La Línea , and the smuggling has fed families on both sides of the border for decades ! Smuggling initially started with commodities such as sugar when the border closed and then tobacco once the border was opened. With regards to your comments on drug dealers , possibly there are some, I won’t disagree, but maybe if you took a walk down London or puerto Banus in Marbella on a Friday or Saturday evening you might come to realise that drugs are an issue that plague most countries on the planet, in fact , most drugs are smuggled into Gibraltar ! As Gibraltar is so small it is hard for organised crime groups to have large quantities of drugs stored in Gibraltar, as law enforcement agencies would snuff them out rather quickly … your comment on arms dealers is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion , maybe you could evidence this claim somehow ? I agree with your comment about the offshore betting companies and the bunkering , but then again there is a massive oil refinery just across the straight of Gibraltar and a large port. (Apart from Valencia this is where a lot of narcotics enter Europe .. there are plenty of articles with regards to this point online). Gibraltar generates funds within the surrounding area due to tourism, hence, the new hotels/rentals opening on the Spanish side of the border. Looking forward to your response ! :)
@@JM-iq5up You make many good points that are true and I agree with. The main point I feel youre missing though is that this comment was purely from one of the few Spanish Nationalists that hate Gibraltar and Llanitos, that use this part of our past as propaganda to lie and claim that *the vast majority* of our economy is from only crime, which is just total bs obviously and puts a very ugly bad reputation for Gibraltar. Its a part of our History that we should be ashamed of or at least not proud, but youre right when you say its an international issue.
I just came back from Gibraltar the other day! It was such a lovely blend of cultures from my home of England/UK but yet very different in other kind of Spanish reminents of previous culture.
Got back from a two week holiday in Gib yesterday. Drank enough beer to float a battle ship. Mad monk, Wembley bar, Skull, Aragon, Venture inn, Nelson, Quartedeck, all the bars in the watergardens and Ocean village. Back home now where I'm letting my liver have some time off. August is way too hot for me, try another month next year. Been in and out of Gib since 1980 with the RN and RFA ships and I love the place. ❤
@@jorgec.a3123 “recognized” in what way and by whom? Here’s what I recognize: Gibraltar is on the Iberian peninsula and is close to exactly one country: Spain. UK took it and is holding it expressly because it’s militarily useful. The neighboring countries recognize that they’re at a military disadvantage because having a foothold on land is a huge advantage in a war. Basically all the same things are true of the Spanish exclaves which are… where? Next to what country? These answers are not Spain. And yes, my own country the US has a list of the same or similar problems. I’d be a fool to try to defend those territorial possessions while criticizing others for the same behavior. Whether it’s Gibraltar or Melilla or Hawaii, these are all military threats to foreign countries, and that’s the type of “recognition” that matters.
@@twestgard2 Britain isn't a military threat to Spain dude, we are NATO allies and have quite a friendly relationship. What are you on about? You've only shown your utter ignorance about how the world works. Gibraltar is internationally recognized by the UN as a territory pending decolonization, aka a colony. Ceuta and Melilla are internationally recognized by the EU, UN and NATO as Spanish territories part of the country of Spain, they aren't exclaves and they aren't colonies. So maybe educate yourself before saying stupid things online, yes?
@@jorgec.a3123 Or how about you do some learning. Usually Americans are the ones with no historical scope. NATO is only 74 years old; Britain took Gibraltar from Spain 319 years ago and for most of that time Spain and Britain have been starkly at odds. For that matter, Spain was literally still a fascist country run by an ally of Hitler and therefore not part of NATO until 1982, making your argument that Spain and Britain are longtime BFFs pretty absurd. Beyond that, the NATO treaty isn’t even an attempt to resolve these internal conflicts, all it does is freeze them in place. Every NATO country is still jockeying for position because everyone involved is perfectly aware that treaties come and go all the time, and nobody wants to be the defenseless fat grub on top when the protective cover comes off. And beyond that, Spain and the UK still engage in competition and it’s kept quiet because both sides benefit diplomatically by not having a public spat. That doesn’t mean they always get along. Other than that, lol, sure buddy.
@@twestgard2 you are seriously trying to lecture me about my own country? Typical American stupidity. Yeah buddy you lot of democracies left the Spanish republic alone during the civil war and thanks to that and American cooperation with Franco's regime we were under a dictatorship for 40 years , we've been a democracy for well over 50 years now and nobody said anything about Spain and UK being BFFs , I said that Spain is a NATO member and one of the lost relevant members of the EU on top of that we have good and friendly relationships with all of western Europe including the UK. So yeah again how about you educate yourself before saying such BS. We in Spain couldn't care less about Gibraltar by itself, what we care about is the fact that their police and the royal navy keep meddling in the matters of our police and navy that they don't respect our waters, that they keep.untergefing with the work of our police and navy, that they don't respect environmental laws that apply in the whole of their Mediterranean and we are the ones who have to do the cleaning up, that they are a tax safehaven, that they aid smugglers and drug dealers and a long list of offenses.
Gibraltar is the tax haven, not of England, but of Spain. It is much better than Andorra, and in it there are thousands and thousands of companies of “Spanish capital”, which maintain all this scam. Otherwise, it is hard to understand how a town of thirty thousand inhabitants is capable of producing 2,600 million euros. After Luxembourg, it is the richest region of continental Europe, 82,000 euros per llanito. Go and see if it gives that impression.
Please note Spain does not want Gibraltar it official gave that up when it joined NATO as that required all disputes to be resolved. You can always find a couple of crazy Spanish politicians that will say they want it but what they say isn't Spanish policy.
How is It that one politician can say he does not want it, and It becomes the will of Spain, but now another says hey we want that back, also the treaty of Utrecht has been violated, people vote fot that party but thats not even politic
The amusing thing is while yes its a problem that needs resolving. The current status quo serves all three goverments needs perfrectly. Spain doesnt need to staff and man a naval base in that area also no need to station significant naval units either, which means they save a ton of money, the gibraltans get rich of beening a tax haven and generally being left alone by everyone who isnt spanish or british,(its one of the only places the EU and UN tried and gave up finding a solution)(which is impressive in its self), the british get control of a major trade route, and a nice big rock in a perfect place to park warships to deal with the med. the other thing to note is spain does call on the RN thats based in gibralta when it needs help in dealing with dodgy ships passing the strait. which happens often. Usually if you see the patrols speed of from their berths its to confront a ship or deal with distress beacons. But personally im impressed that its apart of a arguement that both countries have been having for nearly 500 years. its literally worse than the rivalry of france and britian.
@@robertofulton It reminds me of that meme where a couple is hanging out and some rando asks "is there not someone you forgot to ask?" and Spain is acting like that guy a lot.
What matters is what the people of those places want. Those in Melilla and Ceuta want to remain Spanish and the people of Gibraltar want to remain British. End of.
@@JorgeHernandez-ko5bb Because your economy is desperate for the tourist money. Spain is constantly trying to bribe in the British with endless UK ad campaigns and subsidised deals. Ever heard the phrase "never bite the hand that feeds you"?
I'm from the UK but I've been living in southern Spain for a year and a half now. I've visited Gibraltar several times since moving here as it's very close to where Iive and it's one of my favourite places in the world. It's nice to see that the Gibraltarians are proudly British and are very welcoming of tourists from the UK 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇬🇮
Gibraltar has never been giving to Britain only the right to use the port and constructions, nothing of course about new status, soberany, expansions, airport, military base, border, maritime space.
@@jorgeo4483 Article X of the Treaty of Utrecht gives Gibraltar to the British. Clear. ARTICLE X: _The Catholic King does hereby, for himself, his heirs and successors, yield to the Crown of Great Britain the full and entire propriety of the town and castle of Gibraltar, together with the port, fortifications, and forts thereunto belonging; and_ *_he gives up the said propriety to be held and enjoyed absolutely with all manner of right for ever, without any exception or impediment whatsoever._* _But that abuses and frauds may be avoided by importing any kind of goods, the Catholic King wills, and takes it to be understood, that the above-named propriety be_ *_yielded to Great Britain without any territorial jurisdiction_* _and without any open communication by land with the country round about. Yet whereas the communication by sea with the coast of Spain may not at all times be safe or open, and thereby it may happen that the garrison and other inhabitants of Gibraltar may be brought to great straits; and as it is the intention of the Catholic King, only that fraudulent importations of goods should, as is above said, be hindered by an inland communications. it is therefore provided that in such cases it may be lawful to purchase, for ready money, in the neighbouring territories of Spain, provisions and other things necessary for the use of the garrison, the inhabitants, and the ships which lie in the harbour. But if any goods be found imported by Gibraltar, either by way of barter for purchasing provisions, or under any other pretence, the same shall be confiscated, and complaint being made thereof, those persons who have acted contrary to the faith of this treaty, shall be severely punished. And Her Britannic Majesty, at the request of the Catholic King, does consent and agree, that no leave shall be given under any pretence whatsoever, either to Jews or Moors, to reside or have their dwellings in the said town of Gibraltar; and that no refuge or shelter shall be allowed to any Moorish ships of war in the harbour of the said town, whereby the communication between Spain and Ceuta may be obstructed, or the coasts of Spain be infested by the excursions of the Moors. But whereas treaties of friendship and a liberty and intercourse of commerce are between the British and certain territories situated on the coast of Africa, it is always to be understood, that the British subjects cannot refuse the Moors and their ships entry into the port of Gibraltar purely upon the account of merchandising. Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain does further promise, that the free exercise of their religion shall be indulged to the Roman Catholic inhabitants of the aforesaid town. And in case it shall hereafter seem meet to the Crown of Great Britain to grant , sell or by any means to alienate therefrom the propriety of the said town of Gibraltar, it is hereby agreed and concluded that the preference of having the sale shall always be given to the Crown of Spain before any others._
@@johnburns4017 And that was the reason to heroically recover it again. You cannot leave anything valuable in your hands, you throw it off the balconies.
Realistically you can’t compare Spanish Northern African enclaves with Gibraltar. Ceuta & Mellila plus another handful of isles, were handed over to the Spanish crown after the Portuguese had no natural successor of their crown & territories. Having read about this, it seems once Portugal reinstated their monarchy around mid 1600s, Ceuta & Melilla because they had been Spanish cities with fully rights since late 1400’s then chose to remain Spanish and rejected their chance to go back to the Portuguese crown. Bare in mind Morroco is a modern country, that surged after colonialism ended in Africa, so no actual country that still is one nowadays, has the historical right to reclaim both enclaves & isles. Now in the other hand, Gibraltar was conquered and kept by the British, taking advantage of a weak Spanish crown and army at the time. So Spain, historically speaking, does have a right to reclaim this territory. Now, if you go and search for the different treaties made between Spain & Britain, you can see Britain have not kept their word and have expanded their territory without agreeing it with Spain, we’ve even built an airport in “No mans land”. This has literally added more unnecessary tension between the parts. I just think if Britain kept their word at the time, Spain wouldn’t complain about it and things could be way more natural. Maybe even a shared territory between the countries. End of the day, thousands of British people like myself live here in Spain for retirement also thousands of Spanish work in the UK too. Conclusion, us normal people, Spanish and British do get along well and do cooperate.
It all comes down to the Gibraltarians - when THEY want to a part of Spain, it will be a part of Spain. Self Determination is a fundamental UN principle.
Spain won't even talk about Peñón de Vélez de la Gomera, which is uninhabited. 3 enclaves in Morocco and we are to believe that Gibraltar is the problem. I think it's a modern problem, Spain needs the extra revenue Gibraltar has however what they typically don't understand is that Gibraltar is only doing so well because it's not a part of Spain.
About 100 years ago, the British built six runways in my backyard, then they got rid of four of them and made two much longer. Now they have a plane land every 48 seconds. It’s noisy living near Heathrow
I dont understand why Spain would expect Gibraltar to be given to Spain. Especially since Spain signed a treaty with Britain that ceded it to them in perpetuity in 1713 (the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713). Even though it was a long time ago doesnt mean its not valid. Lots of borders have been created and agreed upon in the past between lots of different countries. You wouldnt expect another country, to say well actually we want the land that used to be ours, 300 years ago, back. Just about every country in Europe and probably large parts of the world could say we should go back to the way the borders were drawn up hundreds of years ago. We would like this part of land back again. Maybe Austria could ask for South Tyrol back, which has been part of Italy, since the end of the first world war, back from the Italians. Maybe France could ask for territories they lost to Luxembourg, after the 1815 Congress of Vienna. Germany could ask for parts of former East Prussia back ,that now make Poland and the Baltic states. The list goes on and on. Apart from this the people of Gibraltar voted in a referendum in 2002 by 98% to stay with Britain.
My Spanish friends told me, if UK really wants to do something impressive, it should give Gibraltar to Portugal. That would make them very happy, trust me.
@@littleshep5502 They can't, in the treaty of Utrecht it was stipulated that Gibraltar could be only a British colony and that in the event that this rule was not respected, the rock had to be immediately ceded to Spain.
Nope, Gibraltar is a colony according to the UN, Cueta and Melila are not. Also, pathetic chinese style 'whataboutism' is not a valid defense of the evil english colonial occupation of Gibraltar. You are welcome to litigate in the UN to have Cuete and Melila also listed as colonies but that is an entirely different issue to be decided on its own merit with absolutely no bearing on the criminal illegal English occupation of Gibraltar.
@@glr4764 first off, fucking relax, i was joking. I couldn't give a flying shIt about any of the three countries involved. It's a RU-vid comment not the floor of the u.n.The UK can keep Gibraltar, Spain can keep its North African territories, Morocco can keep western Sahara. Or not, makes zero difference to me. So take a Xanax or something, goddamn.
If it continues to be treated in the same way that the Falkland Islands dispute is I don’t see it being handed back to Spain. The British have allowed it to become a very unique place with its own tax regime. Why would the people of Gibraltar rejoin Spain knowing full well that it would make a point of stamping out its uniqueness to be replaced forcefully with a very visibly Spanish identity. It would be awful to witness such a travesty.
Yep but the majority of spanish people and our goverment we dont care that much about the rock we still have ports with a lot of comerce valor in the area, the problem is that gibraltar is one of the focals points of smuglin and corruption of our country, the majority of the people want to stop being disrepected by gibraltar and his agresive police of expanding their border and waters, that by the treaty of utrech is illegal. And more than one incident of envirometnal damage have been provoked by the british in the area, a thing that as you will gues dont make a lot of friends in the area.
Spain has offered time and time again things like giving Gibraltar autonomy or even a corulership of the Rock, wich they have regected. For Spain the problem is mostjy that Gibraltar actively hampers the local economy by being a tax heaven and having less stricts enviromental practices that harm the enviroment and the quality of life in the area. I woundt care if they keep being British, but they need to start playing by the rules and not fucking up with their neightbours
@@aloxpeexd302gibraltars current borders are recognized by the UN, and it's territorial waters are confirmed by UNCLOS. Both of these overrule the treaty of Utrecht
That much story ? Hahaha and in Spanish schools we learned that Gibraltar was only an exchange between them 2 . Spain gave Gibraltar for the Canary Islands 🇮🇨.
Spain also has its Gibraltar in the form of Ceuta and Melilla + some other territories EDIT: This is a small correlation , I thought to put in just for fun since those cities are in a somewhat similar situation as in Gibraltar. EDIT: why is this a war zone?
@@Lacteagalaxia There is nothing more colonized in europe as that peninsula, you kicked the main population and put british people on it, ceuta and melilla have been spanish territories since medieval times and the city was built by spaniards themselves, inept about history m8
@@hugino3535 Not true Ceuta and Melilla were originally settled and colonized by the Portuguese "Under King John I's son, Duarte, the colony at Ceuta rapidly became a drain on the Portuguese treasury" "Melilla was initially jointly administered by the House of Medina Sidonia and the Crown,[23] and a 1498 settlement forced the former to station a 700-men garrison in Melilla and forced the latter to provide the city with a number of maravedíes and wheat fanegas"
@@user-cm9pt8bo3l “the Spanish were mopped by the British so badly that they lost a strategic piece of land for over 300 years despite only having been a country for 250 years. They never did stop crying about it.” - history book.
The answer is already known before anyone asks the question. They signed it over way back, next. As someone else said, Spain has an enclave in N. Africa which they will not debate with Morocco. Hypocritical ? You decide. The vast, vast majority of people in Gibraltar do not want to be part of Spain. Also, the Catalan region was playing with the idea of independence, that was pretty quickly quelled. Democracy, but only when it suits me.
@@DerekLangdonSlly boy. Remembe, you and the world speak my language, English but not many people in Cornwall speak Cornish. Cornwall ...Corn = Kernow - Wall = Waelas meaning stranger slave or foreigner.
What is wrong in your dumb head ....the north of Ireland will going be part of the rest of the island of Ireland, not a trade deal like slavery....Britain should give back all their claimed places back like Gibraltar, and Islas Malvinas ( Falklands islands)
That was a good one took awhile but a good one non the less. I never realized that area was in dispute. Hell, I didnt even know it belongs to England. So thanks again for bringing to light another one of the world's weird territorial oddities. That's what I like about your channel, you find little things like this.
В конце концов, это зависит от жителей Гибралтора: если они хотят остаться в Великобритании, тогда не должно быть проблем, нет смысла обострять что-то, чего можно легко избежать.
Это испанский, они не говорят ни на каком другом языке, единственная причина, по которой Великобритания хочет сохранить его, хотя бы ради прибыли, если бы он был бесполезен, Великобритания оставила бы его, как и все другие свои колонии.
@@VeronQZGibraltar speaks English. It doesn’t particularly profit the British to keep a small territory like Gibraltar except as a military base. It’s more valuable to the Gibraltarians themselves to maintain the relationship as they don’t have to pay for defence costs
@Bulga-121gu have you actually ever been to the rock or spoken to any of the vast majority speak English as a first language. I mean your not wrong when you say they speak Spanish too butthat is as a second language that they are fluent in. The vast majority of the island is pro british and against being part of britian and why would they want to be a part of a nation like spain
@Bulga-121gu have you actually ever been to the rock or spoken to any of the vast majority speak English as a first language. I mean your not wrong when you say they speak Spanish too butthat is as a second language that they are fluent in. The vast majority of the island is pro british and against being part of britian and why would they want to be a part of a nation like spain
@Bulga-121gu have you actually ever been to the rock or spoken to any of the vast majority speak English as a first language. I mean your not wrong when you say they speak Spanish too butthat is as a second language that they are fluent in. The vast majority of the island is pro british and against being part of britian and why would they want to be a part of a nation like spain
As a Portuguese person, I appreciate that offer, but I would rather be given something less problematic, like a rusty Austin Metro with a leaky Hydragas system. Thank you.
Spain when talking about Gibraltar: "It's our territory! It was unlawfully ceded to Britain over 300 years ago and we want it back regardless of what the locals think Spain when talking to Olivença: "Doesn't matter if we are legally bound to return the territory to Portugal one day. The locals want to keep being part of Spain so we should prioritize their wishes"
Everyone forgets the 4th option a sovereign Gibraltar beholden to no nation, part of the eu with a treaty of gauarantee of protection from both the EU and Britian. BASICALLY, spanish/british monaco....
There really isn't a dispute. The treaty of utrect is not paramount. The will of the people of Gibraltar is the only thing that matters. From soldier A
Some people in the small island nation of Britain continue to drown themselves in nostalgia, are ‘poisoned’ with ‘colonial arrogance’ and ‘dreamy jingoism’.
@@NativeVsColonial Gibraltar has literally nothing to do with slavery and its been British longer than it was ever Spanish. Spain isn't even its original owner.
Gibraltar has been British for over 300 years and will stay British as long as the Gibraltarian population want it. Last time the were asked they voted over 99% to stay British.
@@decrulez you do know most of the gold stayed in the Americas and was invested there right? On the other hand, England literally massacred the natives while the spanish made families with them, most of the deaths being from diseases. Why do you think a lot of people on latin america are of indigenous descent, while basically none on the US or Canada are?
You are quite delusional if you think the Brits will give up this vital piece of territory! Hell, they fought for the damn Falklands and for good reasons, too! If you have a large Navy and love to do some power-projection, you should have save anchorages around the world, this is what the Falklands and Gibraltar are! Not to metion that they could block an entrance to the mediteranian sea...that is POWER! So yeah, the Brits are more likely to create something like the Korean DMZ (so a mined and heavily guarded border, than give up something they've owned for 200+ years!
Some people in the small island nation of Britain continue to drown themselves in nostalgia, are ‘poisoned’ with ‘colonial arrogance’ and ‘dreamy jingoism’.
And the best part is that because it's close to Spain and because Spain is the underdog the average person will demand that the United Kingdom should give it back.
Spain doesn't want Gibraltar. What they want is UK to respect the Utrecht Treaty and stop anoying spanish forces in the waters surrounding Gibraltar and to return the airport ground and beyond which they steal from Spain in the last 100 years. But asking a thieve to give something back is always a lost battle.
How about they trade for it with Ceuta and Melilla or the Canaries. The UK doesn't want Ceuta, Melilla, or the Canaries. It just wants all the ex-fascist spanish speaking countries to respect UK sovereignty and to stop annoying peaceful UK citizens.
I don't get it... if the Brits don't want to give it, and the local population stands even stronger in that claim... what are the negotiations about? Spain cannot claim a land that was conquered and ruled by a completely different regime 3 centuries ago. I mean... there are so many cases of lands like these, that no one think of "giving back" (South Tyroll, Alzas, Kaliningrad, half of Belarus...the list goes on). If the people of Gibraltar wants to stay British there is no discussion here
As a Spanish person, any spaniard that actually knows about economy will know that Gibraltar being British is actually better than it being Spanish. Spanish people go there for work and since the UK is better economically speaking than Spain, it's benefitial. If Spain gets better economically than the UK (which I doubt) then things would start to be different.
Como decirtelo, es como si me dijeras que un mosquito chupandote la sangre es bueno por que al mismo tiempo q te roba la sangre te mete un tranquilizante para que no la sientas... Que Gibraltar y los gibraltareños estan de bonanza economica? por supuesto, son un paraiso fiscal que no pagan impuestos, pero eso no significa que generen riqueza, mas bien empobrecen toda la zona de la bahia de Algeciras, q debido a la falta de control unitario maritimo, al desorbitado precio de los productos gibraltareños y a que se lleva toda la inversion, tiene deprimido a La línea y Algeciras, cuya poblacion en muchos casos se dedica al trapicheo o a la venta de drogas, asique no, no es que españa tenga que mejorar la economia por los gibraltareños, es que los gibraltareños hunden la economia de la zona por su situacion particular, asi que ahí va otro motivo para retomar un territorio que en toda su hsitoria nunc les ha pertenecido
It's exactly the other way around. According to all statistics, unemployment levels rise as towns get closer to Gibraltar. You have to go a dozen kilometers away to find a normalized economy. It's like a tumor.
i understand the spanish concerns that the british took up a little bit of land but other than that why do they even need gibraltar. also the population there aren't exactly spanish. Malaysia at independence for example had one of the greatest cities in the world under their control yet they kicked out Singapore since they realised the population there is not malay but chinese and that would cause great instability in the future.
They aren't exactly Spanish? Have you ever seen them talking? 😂 Concern about a little land? The fuck are you talking about? If you think stealing land and waters from other countries is ok that's exactly the reason why the UK is so hated
The main difference is that Ceuta and Melilla have been part of metropolitan Spain before than the modern concept of “Marocco” even existed. Britain took Gibraltar after the formation of Spain, and holds it practically as a colony
@@banhammer8510No, it’s factually not. And even if he was wrong, what makes Ceuta and Melilla different from Gibraltar is that both PROVINCES are fully integrated into Spain proper, whereas Gibraltar is a colony. Which means that those from Ceuta and Melilla are just as Spanish as someone from Madrid or Barcelona is.
Sure, it would honestly be super easy. The English navy is a joke these days, the Spanish have more combat aircraft and US patriot batteries, Gibraltar is attached to the Spanish Mainland and England has to go AROUND all of Spain to reach Gibraltar. The F do you plan to break a Spanish siege of Gibraltar? They could take it without firing a shot so to speak. You think the English are going to be able to sail to or land in Gibraltar to supply against a Spanish military that ranks just below Ukraine, Israel, and Germany on most military indexes? If you do... wow English are really living in the past in a really sad and pathetic way. UK trying to hold on to Gibraltar would look more like what it looked like if the British tried to hold on to Hong Kong and not another Falklands war which was over an island 500 kms from Argentina.
From a Mexican , please leave Gibraltar alone we can’t afford to lose more territory in the Hispanic world , whatever you do to our Hispanic brothers in Gibraltar we will have to retaliate in California, y’all wanna flex the Anglo-Saxon sphere we’ll have to flex the Hispanic sphere as well , eye for an eye unfortunately
@@vibes292 That's strange, why would the population of a conquered territory vote to stay with the conquerors, just because the conquerors killed off/chased away the original population?
I am spanish, i have bulging black eyes like a spider ... i think the UK should not only have Gibraltar but they should also have argentina because of our failure in south america as a spanish person i have to admit that we sailed around the world creating third world countries while the UK only made first world countries because they are so much taller and better
@@diegogonzalezpico7141 ah diddums, Mr Colonial Occupier of land you have no right to occupy. You will never get Gibraltar back no matter how much crying you do. The Treaty was for perpetuity, which means forever.
Spain has two chunks of north africa nearby which morocco claims as spain claims gibraltar. The indignant remonstrances are the product of the fact that Spain doesnt have a leg to stand on and they know it. Hence the complaints about colonization. I mean SPAIN. COMPLAINING ABOUT COLONIZATION.
If Spain controlled Gibraltar and remained in control of Ceuta, it would control the entrance of the Mediterranean. It could control military shipping, etc, heading for the Suez in a similar way to Turkey and the Dardanelles. Utter madness. Expect Starmer to agree to Spains demand next week.
The funny thing is Britain has owned it longer than Spain. I doubt Britain would ever give it up, it will be very important if another war ever kicks up. Spain is hardly a stable nation either, Britain has no trust in Spain
At the end of the day, if Spain could take it back they would, but they can’t. It’s British now and frankly I wouldn’t trust the Spanish Navy and Military with it given its very important position
Creating endless disputes is in the nature of the British colonisers and their successor , the Great US colonial empire. They made Israel on a land that belonged to Arabs and Palestinians from 700 AD, made Kashmir dispute between Pakistan and Europe, and Gibraltar belongs to Spain, it has always been a part of Spain, but yes no one can change the nature of these colonisers.
Spain relinquished it in 1713 and Britain has by now owned it longer than Spain ever did. Also the Spanish was colonisers just as much as the British, including trying to invade England itself on multiple occasions. And failing. Every time.
You seem to have forgotten Spain was one of the world's largest colonising powers itself, responsible for colonising most of the Americas as well as parts of Africa and Asia.
Israelites were in Israel since the bronze age. Palestine was never a nation, find it on a map. They are Jordanians and Gazans. Yasser Arafat came up with the name in the 60's. Pakistan and Europe have no conflict over Kashmir. Gibraltar wasn't always Spanish. It was also Greek and Moorish, we have had it longer than the Spanish.
NO? ITS LITERALLY SO DIFFERENT, CEUTA AND MELILLA HAVE BEEN SPANISH FOR 600 YEARS, 300 BEFOR EVEN MOROCCO WAS A COUNTRY, WHILE GIBRALTAR WAS A SPANISH LAND INVADED BY THE UK.
@@Desco51, that would've been in reference to the Roman region of Hispania, which the Visigoths conquered and settled. The modern idea of Spain came from the merger of the Kingdoms of Castille-Leon and Aragon, neither of which existed when Morocco was founded. Also what the hell does pork fanatic mean?
Although a debatible subject, there are very strong historical and cultural arguments to say Ceuta and Melilla are spanish. Britain, on the other hand, has never had any business with the region, it was just forcefully ceded and filled with english migrants.
Comparing Gibraltar to Ceuta and Melilla is pure ignorance. Anyone who does so is demonstrating ignorance. Why? First, Ceuta and Melilla are "territorios metropolitanos," meaning they are just like any other city in Spain. Ceuta was previously Portuguese before becoming Spanish, and Melilla was part of the Carthaginian Empire, the Roman Empire, Visigothic Hispania (now Spain), the Byzantine Empire, and lastly, the Muslim Empire. It was abandoned by its inhabitants and was reoccupied by Spain in 1497 after being found occupied by pirates. Ceuta and Melilla were part of Spain long before Morocco was officially formed in 1956. Even if we consider the earlier Baladi dynasty, which can be regarded as "old Morocco" and was established in 1666, Ceuta and Melilla had been part of Spain for over 200 years in that time. Historically, there is no justification to argue that Ceuta and Melilla are part of Morocco or that they are colonies. I hope this helps clarify the key differences between Gibraltar, a colony, and the Spanish metropolitan towns, Ceuta and Melilla, and why the UN considers Gibraltar a colony but not the other two. If anyone still disagrees, I strongly encourage them to read more about it. Cheers.
@@nosirve9458 That's the exact same argument that Portugal used when they didn't want to relinquish Goa, Angola, Mozambique, and Guinea. Saying they were "províncias ultramarinas", no different from any other province of Portugal. Also, Portugal having invaded and colonized Ceuta before giving it to Spain of it does not make Spain's claim any stronger.
@@RedXlV that were considered colonies. The same way the Sahara was considered a colonie and thats why Spain returned the territories. Marocco didnt exist when Ceuta and Melilla were created. It just didn’t. Its imposible to return something to a country that didn’t exist. They key differences are quite easy to see. Even the UN and the european union can see it, for a reason they said multiple times that Gibraltar needs to be descolonised.
