Gibraltar Still Hasn't Got Brexit Done. 

so did scotland even tho scotland voted overwhelmingly to keep the uk in the eu but english nationalism makes the rest ignored because its all about england

@@jamesmiller9363To be fair, Scotland held their referendum before the Brexit vote, little did they know that UK would play itself like that…

@@Steven-ly9ei give them time

don't worry, GB will even unexist in next a few years.

@@darter9000 I mean true but if it wasn't for lies and false promises and vows scotland would be free from Englands dictatorship

Literally no brexit voter is complaining about passport checks, it’s what we wanted. The problem is, the Conservative party didn’t actually want brexit

@@dylanmurphy9389 So why are British fishermen are complaining about customs regulations? Isn't it what they wanted?

@@dylanmurphy9389 Yeah, never heard any complaints about the back up at the Chunnel or the added paper work to vacation in the EU. Plus the above mentioned loss of the fresh fish market - Brexit was somehow supposed to help the fisherman and they voted heavily to leave the common market.

@@dylanmurphy9389 Right! Who cares if the economy of Gibraltar is destroyed. Because fuck them, that's why. I ain't never been to Gibraltar anyway. 🙄

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The logic is that Frontex checks all external EU borders. So the Spanish police being the ones checking would effectively mean or signify that Gibraltar is an internal territory belonging to Spain. The UK, of course, does not want that perception from Spaniards or Gibraltarians.

@@taj-sidFrontex doesn’t check all external EU borders, that’s the task of the individual countries. The task of Frontex is to assist countries with border checks if these countries ask for their assistance.

@@taj-sid nice attempt at rationalizing brexiteer stupidity

@@RealConstructor Yes, the British seem to imagine the EU being a much more unified and centralized thing than they actually are :D

Yep, that's about the top and tail of it. British exceptionalism at its worst. it isnt "you checking passports" that is the red line, but "you checking *_our_* passports" that is their problem.

They dont know what they want. Never did. Brexit means brexit??

Lo que es, es, y lo que no es, no es. Los amigos británicos, al menos los tories, se saltaron a Parménides cuando estudiaron filosofía. Aunque lo suyo siempre ha sido negar lo evidente con suficiencia.

The UK isn't asking to take responsibility for the passport checks, it is suggesting to give that role to a third party, Frontex (EU border agency).

@@noseboop4354 Do you understand that the UK is suggesting Spain to cede control of its own borders to Brussels? And to do so in order for Gibraltarians not having to see any Spaniards? I say, that's some fine diplomacy, old chap...

@@noseboop4354 Which is an incredible ask. Britain trying to dictate EU internal matters to the EU. What happened to respecting sovereign borders?

how does it feel to win the internet?

@@cGhostsVisuals better than to lose in reality

…. By its worst enemies? Are you referring to the MPs charged with carrying it thru

Carrying what through less money public services and unlimited asylum seekers,,does what it said on tin

It’s never going to be cleaned up. It’ll remain a mess in perpetuity.

England not Britain, stupid racist English voters wanted that shite

Too much ado for NOTHING.

When was the last time you heard the government even mention it? They are basically using the child's tactic of 'ignore it and maybe the problem will go away'.

People are just too weak to suffer the consequences of the decision. There should have been a hard border between Ireland and Gibraltar. It would have sucked for everyone but that is probably the only way to reach a final agreement.

Well they deserve it. Brainless decision, disastrous results

Flabbergasted to say the least.

You could say the term drag queen takes on a whole new meaning

Kicking the can down the road for the next goverment to sort ,

Why shocked? Brexit is a disaster... making it even _more_ a disaster (assuming the Gammon's don't notice) should be avoided.

don't worry, GB will even unexist in next a few years.

And herein lies the rub: 'The UK just needs to pick one of those two options' is something UK governments are fighting against since the day of the referendum

Same with Northern Ireland. EU wants to have secure borders everywhere. UK just needs to decide where they want to set the border. UK wanted out but didn’t consider the fact that once you’re out, there will be borders

Brexit and logic don't mix.

are new zealand responsible for people entering into australia? i didn't think so.

The UK government have their hands tied, it is not up to them what happens in our country it is up to the government of Gibraltar which is recognised as the legitimate voice of Gibraltar by the UK since 2006. The UK is down as the party negotiating the agreement as the Spanish do not recognise our government. Spanish boots on the ground here is very politically sensitive especially when you realise those in their 50s/60's spent most of their youth behind a border closed by Franco many separated from family members who lived on the other side of that border. People in the UK should really forget about including Gibraltar in their Brexit argument and should definitely not draw their own conclusions regarding the vote which may I remind you was for the UK to stay in Europe and the option of Gibraltar being part of Europe which involved any form of rule from Madrid would be firmly rejected

I also have Gibraltarian Grandparents and feel the same!

60+ Million people in mainland UK vs around 30k population of Gibraltar is the answer your looking for I think

Much like no one gave Northern Ireland any thought.

yeah, when your neighborhood has been taken over with Rumanian drug gangs and Bulgarian mafia bosses, strange your first thought doesn't go to Gibraltar

They don't care about Scotland, what makes you think that they can even point to Gibraltar on a map? There's just not a lot of people that live in that corrupt tax haven.

And Slovenia, Malta.

Welcome, from Portugal!

TLDR is run by primary school children

Welcome from Germany

@@janhanchenmichelsen2627 Slovenia is included in the map at 3:22. You can see by the triangle shape of Croatias northern border. It is a very abstract map so both interpretations are equaly likely to be correct.

I agree. We should not have left, and the people who voted to leave were lied to, and given false information.

ha ha BS

@@Feety_Feet Both sides of the argument lied during the campaign.

British people clearly weren't fully educated on the implications. I have my own reasons for opposing the EU, but not understanding how important it is for a country like the UK, which, along with the rest of the big Western European countries, economically dominated the rest of Europe and funcitonally the world through it, shows to me people didn't understand their own prerogative.

@@englishciderlover7347 one more than the other

Brilliant!

Ayo you got a point

@@namakemono5155 or stuck between an e,,and U...

This should be top comment 😂

Like what?

Doesn’t the UK have universal healthcare though?

The NHS is a farce

@@RansomMoney58 Yes. He probably means avoiding queues for non-essential treatment?

That’s not the case any more since Brexit. The removal of the right to healthcare in Spain has lead to huge numbers of retired Brits who lived in Spain having to move back to the UK, thereby putting even greater demand on the NHS. Prior to Brexit they were entitled to healthcare in Spain which the UK then paid for. Spanish healthcare is generally of at least equal quality as that available in the UK but costs less, so pre-Brexit this actually saved the UK money.

The alarm bells started ringing, when the idiot said that better trade deals were simple. Average ones 10 years.

12 years of Tory rule.

And Buffoon was sloppy and operationally stupid enough to leave during a pandemic.

@@davidmcculloch8490 Stupid to leave at all, then try to join the CPTPP. Which is a laughable attempt to copy the EU, the other side of the globe.

We skipping Theresa May's failed brexit deals? How much time did she waste with those?

Yes Ofcourse …. You must have read that in the Sun ,it must be true !!! ONLY ….. Ceuta which is a Spanish Enclave 9 miles across the Straits on African Soil , has lower Taxes and Tabacco is cheaper , but hey ….. all the smuggling must be done on our half a mile of beach’s we have over looking a rock which is a military fortress . Narcos are clever buggers aren’t they 🤔

Gibraltar - Where five Russian Billionaires apparently live in a garage together.

the anglo pirates as always

Don't forget how much they pollute due to completely ignoring any regulation for boat repair. And I mean of both EU and UK. The reason their naval industry even exists is due to their "crown territory" status allowing them to ignore that. To note how bad this is for Spain. La Linea is THE municipality with the highest environmental taxes in the country, by a very wide margin, because, being Gibraltar's border, they have to clean that up. Yeah they're really not happy about Gibraltar, at all. Also note that the transit of boats in clearly illegal state to gibraltar from UK is the reason both Spain and Portugal have had multiple environmental disasters on their waters, most notably the Prestige. So the Galicians are also not happy.

passport controls is the excuse !! is all about that they want to keep the TAX HEAVEN status !! and Spain is totally aware of the dodgy business and MONEY LAUNDRY that goes on over there, so is not about passport control !! is about DODGY FINANCIAL SERVICES and MONEY LAUNDRY !!

Oven ready deal must be reheated

Who would have thought that the perpetually unprepared con man who only points fingers never got anything done? Shocking, just shocking.

That can't happen as then it would be an easy way into the EU passport control free...

Spain has veto on anything about Gibraltar.

@@mikapeltokorpi7671 Thanks God!!!

@@tomclower8140 Not if there were proper border controls between Gibraltar and the UK (ie. at the new outer Schengen border). Which would be quite simple, as the border control facilities at the respective airports already exist. Flights between the UK and Gibraltar just would have to be treated as international flights, just like they are treated between any other EU airport and the UK.

@@stephanweinberger that would be infringing on the free movement of citizens between it's own sovereign territory. So that's also not an option... It's all a big mess in all honesty. Glad it's not me that has to try and sort it out. 😂

Agreed, leaving the Single market and, to certain extent, the customs union was a catastrophic mistake.

@@taj-sid Leaving the EU _was_ and still _is_ a catastrophic mistake.

@@garyt.8745 why explain .how being in anything ,,, that should you wish to leave you are treated in a way that countries who left the ussr were not ,now take a look at the ukrain should they just rejoin russia, no//the e,,u ,says no..so why the hypocrites getting away with doing so to the uk,,,and you let them..phhh.

@@stephenisom6089 bit of an incoherent, rambling post. No idea what the USSR has to do with all this. It is all very simple: you leave the EU and its institutions, you become a 3rd country. All 3rd countries are treated the same way, improvements can be made via fta´s. The UK chose to become such a 3rd country, with an fta as minimal as possible, all by its own choice, and now gets treated that way. Nothing hypocritical about it. You seem not to understand that your choices have consequences, well known in advance, and now start whining about the position you find yourself in.

@@ab-ym3bf Oh us brits understand there are massive consequenses, but the french and british have always had a long tradition of the poor fighting for their own power. If you tell a people they have very little power or control over their governing, theyre going to eventually fight back. Even if it means a huge financial cost. Ngl, as a fairly poor person, i havent really felt the effects of brexit other than the fact that holidays to europe are no longer the easy, straight forward option. So now i dont automatically go to italy every year for my vacation

Taxi driver wasn’t wrong was …. As you can clearly read from the comments above

He must've heard it from his ex-KGB friend.

@@DeReAntiqua Never, trust me

@@DeReAntiqua Absolutely never going to happen

@@DeReAntiqua You clearly do not know much about Gib do you.

@@DeReAntiqua And? Like i care who else cares. Who said i was whining anyways lol Your the one that suddenly* had the urge to reply just because we "corrected" you. Next time just don't comment, its not like we were attacking you 🤷‍♂

So, what's your take on the whole thing?

AND the UK is a sovereign nation! They must give everything demanded! Seriously, the ridiculousness of the Brexit arguments and Johnson's fumbling explanations for not getting favorable treaties - or the need for any treaties - should have pointed out how this was never going to work well.

As a EU citizen, I want to apologize on behalf of the 26 countrys of the EU, for not accepting all your demands without hesitation. Please, forgive us (also sarcastic 😃)

So information available at the time of the vote. Assume others knew that just as well as you. Just had different personal preferences / weights to the many pros and many cons. And decided to vote leave.

@@danielwebb8402 But why did they vote to leave? Was it based on reality or just feelings and some pithy slogans from the Boris Johnsons in the UK?

@50jakecs Political, social and cultural reasons are just as factual as economic ones. If a Dutch petson wanted to move to the uk to live and work, the uk could not stop them. That was a factual position. If 100% of UK people vote X but Spain and Poland vote Y, Y happened. In the UK. Is a factual position on some issues. UK taxes were subsidising Portugese village halls is a fact. UK had a material net contribution. So slogan "Control of money, laws and borders" were all 3 based on facts. The implicitly remain slogan of "Yeah. We know its s**t. But GDP growth likely to be a few percent lower if we vote leave in aggregate over the next decade." That wasn't a fact. Was an estimate / projection. Leaving is a risk was a fact. People very much knew leaving was a risk. A material chunk of "the 48%" were "I don't like the EU, but it's too risky to change". 48% was not "I love the EU. It's awesome"

@@danielwebb8402 I'm Portuguese, what the F... are you talking about? Were the F is UK subsidizing villages in Portugal? You are completely mental.

@@AlexNights Er UK was net contributor. Portugal is net recipient. Did you not know those 2 facts? And you are Portugese? That many "community" assets are EU supported. Even in the UK many community assets like village halls, youth clubs were partially funded by the EU i.e. net contributor countries' taxpayers. Did you not know that? But I am mental. For knowing the very basics of which countries are net contributors or not.

England is too busy sorting out the collapse of the NHS, inflation and cost of living crisis.

Well, get ready for the worst, because that's what is likely to go down. My recommendation would be to look into dual citizenship, it ain't hard for you Gibraltareños, and you might just need it if Vox gets in power. 'Cause your press tries to act as if Sanchez has been a hardliner, but he's been actively helping you so far. The right wingers won't be nearly as nice. And taking into account last autonomics us Gaditanos wound up voting overwhelmingly right wing for the first time since I'm alive, well... Shit's going down the wrong end. For the record I am a leftie myself. And while I have MANY issues with your government I do feel bad for the population, if having bad leaders was reason to hate someone us spaniards would need to self flagelate daily. But I have seen what people say. Hell La Linea even discussed becoming an autonomic city to force a hard border and try to blackmail you with it. Heated would be the nicer way to describe how things are at this side of the border when it comes to this topic.

@@thespanishinquisition4078 oh don't worry, I am. If shit hits the fan I'm leaving Gibraltar, without even a second thought. I won't even go to the UK as I hate it there. The UK is a shit show and if the military bases weren't here, we would be dropped like a hot potato. Gibraltarians don't hate the Spanish, they hate the government. Fortunately I have grandparents from an EU country - but I'm not a Gibraltarian descendant. With regards to the press, it's all political posturing and geared towards their readers. I am a centrist with hard-line views left or right depending on the circumstances. I just wish the actual truth came out and politicians stopped trying too cover their arses.

Well Boris certainly cooked his goose.

Ooh no, that wouldn't push the agenda. -Greater Germany- The EU blames everything on Britain because we abandoned their expansion programme.

Gibraltar sentiments on the issue are so clear that they need not reminding. 96% result for remain (2016 referendum), 99% result for "no" to joint sovereignty with Spain (2002 referendum) and a further 99% "no" for Spanish sovereignty (1967 referendum). Should a referendum be held on a potential deal which sees Spanish boots on British Gibraltarian ground, I'll let you guess what the result would be! 😂

@@gibraltarik Of course, votes bought by tax exeptions. Corrupted votes. Gibraltar border should be treated exactly the same as UK border. Either everyone can move freely or nobody can.

@@gibraltarik Sadly, you the brits expelled all the spanish inhabitants of Gibraltar and replaced them with british colonists, so obviously you will get a 96% result for remaining. The frontier should be completely cut off, and you should face the cost of holding the colony while benefiting massively of illegal smuggling

@@gibraltarik What the result would be? Because it's not only Spain mate. If UK gets aggressive over Gibraltar next day Cyprus gets back it's bases Akrotiri and Dhekeleia, Argentina gets Falklands, Spain gets Gibraltar, India gets the Indian islands occupied by the British and the EU sanctions UK for aggressive imperialism. By next winter you will fall into civil war.

The timestamp is around 5:00

Yeah, these mistakes happen in almost every video they make. I really wish that they would take the time to double check. 😕

Context makes it clear which one is correct.

@@EbonySaints Yep, they also get logos and symbols wrong to a significant degree... The degree of negligence is frankly detrimental to otherwise good contents.

It's too long, so they didn't review it.

And when I landed at the airport in the 1980s, I was definitely unprepared for the sight of people and vehicles crossing the runway we'd just landed on.

Now anyone who doesn't have an EU ID or UK passport with Gibraltar permanent residency card (Red ID known in Gibraltar) has their passport stamped. I live in Gibraltar and I'm getting fed up of the uncertainty.

Well, that would be freedom of movement and the tories don't like that.

Don’t forget to add the discrimination…. For some residents not being allowed to transit to Spain ….. cause Spain kicks up a Fuss !

@@Limpet- Go tell Westmister. It's them who want it this way.

@@Limpet- So Britain can have sovereignity and control over who can enter its territory but Spain is not allowed to?

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And the owners, who live in France, eh, Rothermere!

England has most of the population so she alone decides, welcome to democracy

no point remoaners only listen to each other .

Not true. We are actually being helpful and providing options to keep the door open. If the roles were reversed the British would tell the Gibraltareños to fuck off and not give them any health coverage. That has been their attitude during all this proccess.

H'Ola. The Spanish bastards huh??? We, the ill informed, xenophobic British who tolerate terrible greedy political shamans deserve no help from the remaining member states. Who would trust a country so short sighted that also reneges on its commitment to international law? I have numerous friends over most of the remaing members they all express the same disbelief we could cause so much self harm. The biggest benefit to Brexit is it might arrest the rise of right wing populist extremism when its seen just how much continued damage Tory lies and one third of the electorate have managed to do. If the vote to remain in the EU is so high in Gib, perhaps the solution is independence, from both Spain and UK. Since it's likely Ireland will unite as a direct consequence, and the SNPs popularity is strengthening.... might as well make the losses a hat trick. A resounding well done to the Conservative and Union party of Great Britain huh.

Spain has it's own Gibraltars in Morocco so...

Then maybe you (Spain) should not have literally SOLD Gibraltar MULTIPLE TIMES through your history? Spain has zero claim to that territory. See also: Argentina and the Falkland Islands. Also Morocco would like a word or two.....

@@Nahasapasa Ceuta and Melilla were Spanish cities before Morocco existed as a country. Are you also going to claim the Canary Islands for Morocco?

Very nice, just a small issue: racism.

Erm no, I'd happily see the British navy involved if that happens.

The people of Gibraltar are strongly against joining Spain-check the previous polls.

@@sk00p I'd go further. I'd be happy to see us recognise Catalan independence.

What an ignorant comment. So, you might want to look into average wage comparaison, criminality comparaison, diversity and ask some members of the Jewish community who live in Gibraltar before making stupid comments

And update the Euro-zone map as well!

Following that logic The Netherlands should be Spanish because it was ours.

@@RobitGalaxy hahaha, we fought 80 years against Spain to get our independence. Gibraltar hasn’t started fighting yet.

@@RobitGalaxy If we're restoring old Spanish Territories, we'd better notify South and Central America.

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer And half of the United States

Gibraltar was taken by an Anglo/Dutch fleet on behalf of the Spanish claimant to the throne, Archduke Charles. At no time was that place taken in the name of the King of England or of the United Provinces of the Netherlands. But hey, we are talking about 18th century issues, and territories that current Spaniards care very little about, generally. Would be a funny alt History the one that you suggest, though😆

Thought they were and it was just the Euro as common coin on the 1st Jan.

It's called oven ready because it's half baked.

@@matthewparker9276 good one.

well the french and germans or the real eu,, they decided how big the turkey was what heat to put it on when we could have it and when we could eat it but we could have no plates or table ,and only use a spoon,,there that answer your britain bashing question,

@@stephenisom6089 the real issue was Johnson and May making no efforts to prepare a number of potential outcomes to Brexit, they just tried to bumble their way through assuming the EU would agree to their every demand (which they understandably didn't, as it wouldn't benefit them). It's hardly "Britain bashing" to expect our leaders to put some real thought and effort into getting the best deals for our country, and not the complete lazy incompetence we got instead where they assumed the EU would just cave in to every demand they made

@@firefang225 no the french and germans being vindictive and handing out their way or no way ,.....any way its all irrelevant as labour have just announced they are never going back in and sir queer stammer has the backing of all his turn coat mps so its done we are staying right out..

and..

Sorry but we're good. Maybe you can try again in a decade or two to save yourself the embarrassment, no offense. A good chunk of your population was pretty appealed, that people suggested a Swiss like relationship so that makes things, alot more difficult.

We carry no fond memories of your membership. So don't bother.

As A leave voter I'd be outraged if Brexit was reversed.

@@vulcanmemes9770 Lol. Our country is collapsing but he says that is good. We didn't make any new good agreements our economy is stuck. And not even talk about our politics. So, are we 'good', or it is just you are good?

I know a lot of people want it but, we can't just go back. Obviously the leave did not go well but that doesn't just invalidate all the reasons that people wanted to leave. It only invalidates some of them.

Borders are still a thing of the past throughout most of Europe it is such a pity the brexit cult put a spanner in the works for British people.

yep... but grandpa in Cheshire who was sick of having Romanians picking up the vegetables in the fields and a Pole nurse coming to help him at home, now has his "sovereignty" back... and is getting help only one day a month instead of every other days while the vegetables are rotting in the fields... (caricaturing with the workers/helpers origins, but you get the point...)

I wasn't listening to Radio 4, but other media, and NI and Gibraltar were mentioned as big problems for Brexit. Before, during, and even after the referendum, the Brexiters haven't said what their solutions are, just that we need to find solutions.

Those were the days... Radio 4... I do still put it on every 6 months or so, then give up after 5 minutes of boring irrelevance and go back to something like TLDR news

Did you tell trump you gave up your American citizenship? He’d call you a Mexican now … I m sure

@@Limpet- Sadly for you, I did not have to give up my US citizenship when I gained my Spanish nationality thru my grandmother. Tears?

The Gibraltar issue might not even fit there, its just tories being bloody idiots. Gibraltar has... very lax tax and border laws. Fuck it, it's a den of smugglers and tax haven. Furthermore its status as crown territory allows them to completely ignore environmental regulations both of UK and EU. This is why amongst other things they dump raw sewage into the sea, and let UK boats in for repairs in a state that wouldn't allow them to dock anywhere else in UK. Point is those facts allow UK rich men to make a LOT of money by having much cheaper boat repairs (at the expense of Spanish environment), paying no taxes, and smuggling whatever they want. So they just shot themselves here.

2022.

England’s pop is 55 million out the total 68 million. Go figure.

the E equals U told us what to do not now .

It's not Spain making things difficult, it's once again a consequence of Brexit. Entering Spain gives access to all of Europe/Schengen, we have to control our borders and that's that.

@@isidroramos1073 Spain already made passing through the border difficult. This hasnt changed since brexit, because it always been a problem. Sometimes you can queue for an hour or more to get in or out, when EU funds were used to redesign the Spanish side of the frontera, with 3 lanes to enter, as soon as the work was finished they purposefully closed 2 of them so it was back to the single lane entrance, and its the same story on the way out. Also the passport control areas where millions were spent on machines and E-Gates, none of them are on and there's just 1 or 2 policia nacional checking passports/DNIs.

@@ManilvaRS Easy .. Stay on the rock

@@PrincipeMaquiavelo ever heard of Freedom Of Movement ? Or do you still live in the 1800s ?

@@Limpet- Dear friend, your answer oozes ignorance or hypocrisy. No, I am not British and I have not voted against freedom of movement. Such is the case of the British and their democratic way of rejecting that freedom of movement and for which they are now the third country in the EU thanks to Brexit. and for which they get third country treatment... That's what you vote for, that's what you have. But as the U.K. It is anchored in the 19th century with its imperial and exceptionalist complexes.

No it means they cannot come to uk 😂

A colony is not the same thing at all....

Gibraltar =British Overseas T £0 to the British Tax Payer ! Ceuta & Melilla = Colonies ( they send their taxes to Madrid ) and don’t get much back . So in theory a colony is always funded by their country , in this case Gibraltar isn’t one and self sufficient. The UN a still refers to Gibraltar as a Colony but that’s not really the case , …… but it must be true because the Sun had an article next to page 3 !

LOL! So true! 😅

gibraltar isn't a partisan issue in the uk. successive governments have supported the government of gibraltar to guide them on issues to do with gibraltar. that's democracy.

@@karLcx 95% of Gibraltar voted to remain, and were dragged out of the EU by their ankles anyway...Sounds like their guidance is being taken VERY seriously...lol.

It's not like the Cypriots aren't used to having wierd borders on their island.

The Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia, known simply as SBA, in Cyprus were always deemed outside the EU, but sort of had an open border with Cyprus and used the euro. Local people who lived there are considered Cypriots and as such come under Cypriot and European law and can move in and out of the territory, however members of the Defence Forces and their families are considered British and are under British military rules. It's complicated.

As with Gibraltar, there are also negotiations being conducted for Akrotiri and Dekhalia.

@@laurentcorveleyn8765 Negotiations on what exactly? RAF Akrotiri and Dhekelia are British sovereign territory.

@@corradomancini3271 And because of that there should be a customs, immigration and regulatory border around the bases. See the problem? A bit difficult for shopping and stuff...

Before moving to Scotland I lived in La Linea de la Concepción for 7 years and yes, I actually have friends who work in Gibraltar. It'd be a bad thing for both sides. Unfortunately, there's no easy way out of this situation besides Gibraltar becoming an independent city state (as many Gibraltarians wouldn't like to join Spain anyway)

@@pablolostum i dont think spain would bark at that at all. As long as the british are out of the peninsula they are good

@@TileBitan Oh, yes, we would! First because for many it's a question of national honor, and second because Gibraltar is already a tax haven and a nest of smugglers; an independent city-state? What could possibly go RIGHT?

@@isidroramos1073 It could just change from a "UK Overseas Territory" to an "EU Overseas Territory", so governed from Brussels.

@@isidroramos1073 well, im spanish too and regardless of my feelings, people with sovereign rights are living in there. It's not right to make them prisoners in my country just because they belonged to it 300 years ago. The british would be gone, its people truly free, and you want more? Go conquer andorra first

tbh, I never heard a single mention of Gibraltar nor North Ireland during the campaings for the referendum. The English colonialist mindset is still strong... Animo amigo. No se acuerdan de vosotros, asi que no te preocupes que seguires igual que hasta ahora (para bien o para mal)

They basically did.

sorry but yes they did,

No one cares about Gibraltar or the insignificant little colonies. Britain can and will do whatever it wants. North Ireland has more influence due to its population but is in the same boat. Other than joining the country that these places are attached to the only thing these people can do is to leave the colony and go to England if they don't like it.

it was never possible to make gib part of the uk's agreement. and spain was always going to veto any equitable agreement allowing gib into schengen in fabour of this stupid 'sponsership', rather than full normal schengen membership.

Every weekday bar Bank Holidays.

Yes we have to autonomous cities in Africa that have the same status as other autonomous communities like Madrid or Asturias, with due representation on the parliament and senate. Gibraltar doesn't hold the same status as this 2 cities thus comparing them is a false equivalence

@@lordkfc1297 governance approach is semantics to me as I’m sure that wasn’t the case all those centuries ago. The point is, these autonomous communities as you put it have land borders with Morocco, who have put a claim. Whether it’s controlled centrally, is autonomous or is an overseas territory isn’t the point here. The point is, Spain are claiming land next to their own border, and Morocco is doing the same too. Just highlighting the irony, that’s all!

@@breadbreaker500 the point is that those cities have the same representation as any other privince in Spain while Gibraltar does not. And Morocco as a country has existed for less than a 100 years, far less than the time both Ceuta and Melilla have been Castillian and then Spanish.

And olde little England has Guersey and Jersey in France But Gibraltar is the issiu here

No Spain DOESN'T....Spain handed back to Morroco it's Protectorate back in 1956

Or gibraltar could become independent, becoming the fifth microstate in europe

Just ignoring Gibraltars opinion and right? Respectfully, Its not that simple. Furthermore, Uk cannot simply give away Gibraltar as they made it so that Gibraltar must be included in any sovreignty talks when we created our own constitution and begun our own government. Also, we have survived 14 seiges and have gone through a 13 year border closure durign Franco's dictatorship. it would be a big blow, but we can survive. Finally Gibraltarians do not want to be Spanish, especiall due to history and the fact that La Linea almost seems abandoned by the government, with unemployment (which is also why many spaniards work in gib). No hate, just clarifying coz the video missed a lot.

@@temporaneo617 No that is stupid. Spain would obliterate Gibraltar's economy until it agrees to join Spain. Gibraltar is an insignificant little rock, it can't get everything it wants at no cost. Joining Spain is the only alternative to Britain and although it sounds bad it would be a far better deal than any success a micronation Gibraltar can achieve. Gibraltar can easily get high autonomy and whatever it wants from Spain desperate for the land.

@@temporaneo617 The military base in Gibraltar has too much value for the UK to let them go.

@Blazing Lazer Spain could just close the border. And that would make the UK come up with some idea's quickly. I bet a deal would be hammered out within a month. 😉 If Spain wanted they could speed up the process if it were a big enough issue for them. If negotiations are taking this long though, neither side seems to be too worried about it from an outsider's perspective of both countries. I'm just saying Spain likely has the upper hand here in negotiations. I'm not seriously saying that Spain should act out this way. I'm just saying in a roundabout way it can't be that pressing of an issue in terms of a timetable to get a deal done quickly.

gibraltarian voices are seldom heard and usually shouted down volume wise by spain. just look at the mess of comments here.

Sorry, gut it's Brussels (EU) too. We are talking about Schengen here...

@@dutchman7623 Brussels is welcome to get off it’s arse at any time and stand up for freedom and democracy rather than let Spanish fever dreams dictate policy.

@@karLcx Correct! And that is why the EU waits for a decision by Gibraltar in which direction it will go. In full freedom and democracy the UK decided to leave the EU, and that's okay. This decision has severe consequences for a number of areas like NI and Gibraltar. Strangely you do not appeal on freedom and democracy within the UK when it became clear that nor NI, nor Gibraltar, nor Scotland, nor London, wanted to leave, and these areas pointed out the problems they would face in economical and practical ways. The EU does not involve in internal affairs of member states, nor in those of former members. Only when it involves matters and conditions of their membership, or treaties that involve the EU explicitly. For Northern Ireland a treaty was made that would open the border between ROI and UK as part of the Good Friday Agreement. For Gibraltar a treaty was made that would open the border between Gibraltar and Spain, as part of entree conditions for Spain. Consequences are that both borders cannot be closed by either side. Consequences are as well that borders would be drawn between NI or Gibraltar and the other parts of the UK when the UK left the EU. Both ROI and Spain are bound to these treaties as well as the UK and EU, and all others involved. This means that the ROI is involved when the status of NI changes. This means that Spain is involved when the status of Gibraltar changes. Both have the right to block any action by the EU or others.

​@@dutchman7623 freedom and democracy within the UK isn't something that keeps me awake at night. it has it's failings but i don't live in the uk. they'll do what they're going to do. this is all sound in theory, but spain cannot be trusted to not abuse the process in an attempt to push and shove traction on the sovereignty issue. the entire EU border should be an EU responsibility, imo. if spain was for the first time in their history willing to behave in good faith and negotiate as a partner on an equitable border situation to create a normal border (apparently not in their political interests) then the negotiations would have been quick and simple and the border fence might not even be necessary.