I also noticed that the takes on Clark is very positive, and you stay hating on the sister. Why is that brother? you can have your disagreement with them without the derogatory language towards them
I'll take CC on the Liberty any damn day. Imagine if she played on a premier team who can actually set a screen and handle a fastball or a bounce pass.
What. Caitlin is a straight baller. She got skills. Who’s saying she doesn’t have skills. She the only women I’ve seen sinking deep shots consistently.
Over 300 points. 150 assist and 100 rebel 22nd game in her rookie season so you're exactly right there's more to basketball than just shooting. She only has 12 less rebounds that angel race and she doesn't play in the pain and she has more blocked shots that angel race and race is 5 inches tallert@@andrewmatzo8167
I agree. No one is paying big dollars in the NBA to watch Andre Drummond get 20 rebounds. They're paying the big bucks to see Steph Curry making insane long shots or Anthony Edwards ankle breaking drives. Most people watch sports to root for their team or their star. The women of the W are hating on CC because she has a bigger fan base before playing a single game.
But don't forget, Dennis Rodman became a star from playing Defense and people did come to see him dominate the boards, Moses Malone is another Great rebounder who became a star
Italian here: when I was a kid, Michael Jordan was the only name in basketball we knew and all the boys wanted to be him when we had PE classes inside (outside everyone was playing football /soccer) No one reached the basket but everyone mimicked the 'dunk' under the basket... with an imaginary one 😂 So yes, big names that are focused on their craft, have good manners with fans and medias and don't waste time to talk the talk but straight walk the walk... have a global reach and can do wanders for themselves, the sport, the people who can have good inspirational models to grow up with.
Brittany Griner shouldn’t be representing the women’s team in the Olympics come on. I usually watch women’s soccer in the Olympics I didn’t even realized they aired the WBB in the Olympics except the final.
To me It's like Barkley said in the 80s "I'm not a role model" I've never looked at athletes as a role model but liked and cheered for many. I will say this. Clark presents herself as a professional also in the press conferences and media sound bites she is saying all the right things not playing into the games media can play with questions. This definitely makes her likeable easy to cheer for and from a business standpoint marketable
@@flyhippieofficialBrother you are using business as an excuse I would love to debate you on this you are trying to push another narrative you Gilbert Rashad and the rest of you black man capping for the white women know that's business hating on the black women. THE SELLOUT IS REAL!!!!! and you are part of it.
CC is bringing eyes. I never watched wnba until cc. Now I know angel boston and I as watch more we all get to know more players and the all will benefit.
same here , them wings girls were amazing and now i know to watch out for them also, only because of catlin, plenty others women on different teams also.
As of 6/18/24 Caitlin Clark's total for this year in the WNBA; 2nd in minutes played, 2nd in 3-pointers made, 3rd in assists, 9th in points scored, 11th in blocks, 20th in steals and 20th in rebounds. Thats playing against the best players in the world and being defended the hardest hands down in the league.
@@GTunnardno but I can see. What I'm saying is name one game just one game that angel reese has went to that they had to move the game to an entirely different venue. Name one game Angel reese went to where there were over 17,000 tickets sold except for the games that Caitlin Clark was involved in with her. I don't have to be at the door to know that over 75% of those fans in that arena are Caitlin Clark fans and the stats prove it by the number of tickets sold this year compared to last year. So keep pulling for angel buddy there's nothing wrong with that but she's not in the league with Caitlin Clark and she shouldn't even be in the damn conversatio 20:26 n
@@mastercarpenter1970 Very well put, that’s how you respond to someone who knows you are correct so posts an off topic/non basketball related comment because they are simply hating racists.
its 1000% because of cc. she has better stats in every category other than 3 point fg %. when compared to diana taurausi. cc is pretty brink is hot and reese is hot. thats why they are popular and cc is actually the college goat.
Nobody comes to see someone grab rebounds. The WNBA talks about new fans. Ok so please tell me where the phrase “bandwagon riders” came from? The NBA, NFL, NCAA, and any other male sport embraces them. People just need to stop lying to themselves. Caitlin Clark is the reason the WNBA is where they are at. I’m sorry but I don’t agree with Gil because if you take Caitlin Clark out of this equation, Angel Reese isn’t relevant. Angel Reese gained national attention for what? Doing the “you can’t see me” gesture. It wasn’t because she did the gesture, it is because WHO SHE DID IT TO? CC
AGREE. People are just appeasing blacks by lying to Angle and saying she is a part of it, too. She is not. Not nearly to the degree she thinks. She is delusional and so are all of the Caitlin haters. They see the data and STILL deny. They cannot refute the data, so they go after Caitlin's fans. Predictable and petty and petulant and pathetic....
valid point don't believe anybody can argue with that. I would just say reese increased sky's viewership if i'm not mistaking i think that's what gil was talking about. We all agree CC is number 1 though.
Angel would be a star herself though either way even in college she had more sponsership and Instagram followers before they ever even faced Iowa the thing with angel though is that Angels a star herself with or without Caitlyn
@@CatinthehatG And your comments is why many in women’s sports aren’t looked at past their looks. Because it isn’t about the sport or talent. Olivia Dunne is one, if not thee top woman’s NIL earners in college. Yet, she isn’t even the best on her team, let alone in all of college gymnastics. Why? Her looks. So Instagram followers and NIL money is irrelevant when it comes to being great at a sport. That’s like saying onlyfans models are great actresses because of their followers and what some make. This argument makes Caitlin even more profound because she tries to duck social media. Also we don’t know Caitlin because of social media we know her because she is a great ball player. When have you seen an Angel Reese basketball highlight that didn’t have controversy behind it? An Angel Reese highlight that inspired you to pick up a basketball? Most of her noteworthy/famous moments involve or make mention of Caitlin Clark from her woman’s magazine cover, sports illustrated cover, interviews, and so on. It’s not about how great a basketball player she is
People like to say CC22 has no collegiate rings. In 2 years, Iowa was lifted up led by CC22. Win against the undefeated defending champions, loss to LSU. the second year one of the best passers in the NCAA leads in scoring and assists, sets all time records. Beat the defending LSU to get to the Final Four, beats the powerhouse UConn and pundit favorite Paige B, in the Final Four but loses to South Carolina in the finals to cap off their undefeated season titled THE REVENGE TOUR. Iowa was the only team they had to get revenge on. Bluder and company at Iowa refused to lay down and climbed that mountain. they may not have grabbed the ring, they made the climb. and for some reason the legacy women's basketball establishment is PISSED. But mainly UConn alum.
I can understand the older players feeling overlooked, but they've had 3 decades to get their money up, and they haven't. They blame it on whatever they want to. The validity of any arguments they might present go right out the window as soon as someone points out that they wouldn't even have a league if the NBA wasn't funding it. Now that some real money has been made available to the league, they're refusing it because of pride.
I would take CC, Angel and Brink. Imagine the sales in Team USA merch and viewers will skyrocket. But WNBA think with their emotions and not their business head. You have to evolve the game if you want that cheddar.
I've been saying this, as well, that the big three rooks, CC, Angel and Cameron Brink should be in Paris, too. No matter what, the USA will have 12 WNBA players on our team, while the other countries will have one, maybe none, on their rosters.
That wouldn’t just be good for sales, it would have also been a great opportunity for the league to provide a gesture of unity as well as showcase the future. Plus that would have given the new blood Olympic experience. It would have been epic.
Tim Duncan was one of my favourites and had 5 titles. Kobe had 5 titles too. Which one drew more fans? Not everyone loves the fundamental play, they love the exciting play.
this is the best breakdown and explanation I've heard from any podcast or sports show. its business, no room for feelings. "they're not new wnba fans, they're their fans following them"👏👏👏👏They don't get it, and that's because they're funded by the nba. They're entitled, think they deserve more money and profit share, but in actuality they're lucky to have a league as the wnba loses on average $10 mil every year any other business would been shut down years ago. now they finally have an opportunity to cash in and they're going to blow it cus of jealousy, ego and selfishness
Those numbers would transfer to the Olympics but they won't because of one person. Olympic selection committee are down right stupid. Losing millions of dollars because Clark isn't in.
Just found your channel… I really like it. Very smart conversation. I was in clothing business. Lots of work but lots of fun…. You being in business… you’re understanding how these new rookies from last year and this year are raising the level of visibility which brings more people and more $. The WNBA ladies that are critical are living in emotions. One of the reasons men are more suited to a CEO position is because men look at things in a pragmatic way… not through emotions.
Just remember like Lisa Bluder said, when Caitlin Clark's light shines it shines on all of us (meaning everyone in the WNBA now) but when she said it, it was shining on her whole team in college. She was such a good coach!
I'm not a fan of the NBA or the WNBA these days. I have been a Celtics fan for 40+ years, and I love basketball! These rookies have fired up my interest again. It doesn't matter whether I or others are "new" fans or not.
I'm seeing more blocks and steels than any other W point guard as a rookie. Girl bout hit a 23 point triple double last game and has a couple 30's at only 15 games in. The old heads said she wasn't gonna be able to hang but even with max blitz against her........... They misjudged her skills and the quality of her coaching background. 👍💪
What are they going to do next year when Paige comes in, she can hop like crazy and talks that shit. They won’t be able to handle this shit 2 years in a row.
I know like Cheryl swoops is the worst and she’s beeeeeeen retired now and hating as a grown ass woman. Meanwhile she’s getting attention from CC doing podcasts. Lmao.
The older players are jealous and it’s not a good look for them. BTW, your guests bring a smart unbiased perspective! I have enjoyed listening to you men speak with integrity!!! When I heard you address this issue and you never brought up anything about race!I I was immediately impressed with your honesty, maturity and integrity. After you made your point, I gave you a “thumbs up “ and subscribed to your channel! You are a class act! I’m 60 years old and it is so nice to hear truth spoken by people with integrity! You brightened my day! Stay true to the truth! In His Grip, Steven A. Olson
Wassup, my name is Tom. I live in Tallahassee Florida. I want to comment on the Caitlin Clark conversation. Do me a favor and look at Caitlin Clark's stats compared to Diana Turasi's stats this year... Caitlin Clark's stats are better. That is not a black or a white stat... its not subjective... it's a fact. If you add into that the attendance and the TV viewership, then you can't dispute the overall impact. Now, if Angel Reese would carry herself like Caitlin does, keep it about basketball 💯 and stay away from negativity... she would be so much more loved and admired. She is balling in her own right this year... she's averaging a double double. Angel is gorgeous and she's talented... she deserves the shine too, but she'll never get it because of her attitude. Just one man's opinion.
I HATE when people try to pretend that the NBA/WNBA doesn't have influence on USA Basketball. Not only do they have influence they dictate almost everything. If the NBA or WNBA wants a player on the team. Then that player will be on the team. Period.
The “skills” pay the bills. We are in love with her “skills”. We don’t give a damn what color she is! CC shoots lights out, drops dime passes, has high basketball IQ! 😳
She’s gonna be the best player in a couple years tho. I think biggest hole in the Fever is their head coach. Sometimes they got her just standing around without the ball. They will never go for it but imagine how much they would improve if an NBA coach took that job.
That would be crazy!! People make me laugh when they get to talking about her stats (which are very impressive) like there are no type of nuance that goes along with them.
I've only watched one team play, and that's because I love her play style! To hell with all these damn layups, I can do that my damn self at 51 years old!!!
@@andrewaltice2086 lol. That can be a number of different reasons why. One would be because Iowas ain’t shit and Caitlin took all the shots, and she is a good player
LoL when the Fever were on the losing streak, the attendance just kept getting bigger. I love these new W fans or what ever anyone want to call them, I want more of them.
Team USA always had a strong youth presence. It just doesnt seem right. But I remember the teams before the pros could play. There will be less experienced players to chose from in 28. Clark's individual records says she belongs on that team. How do you market Team USA to the teen players if you dont reward an NCAA career like Clark's after she won 3 golds for Team USA?
He's right I watch fever for Clark, but when I saw Smith play, I liked that Smith wasn't scared of contact. She was throwing her body to grab those rebounds.
Brother you’re dead wrong you never served in combat it team work you speak certain truths but deep in side you giving you’re only one u want on the team
saying " she isn't good enough" , yet all her opponents focus their defense on her , try to double and triple defending her , her 14 games highlights already look much better then most players in the history of 30 years WNBA , the refs actually ignore when she need to get call ("tough league"), yet call on her some BS calls for breathing on others ... sorry you had your time to get fans to your sport ... yet she in 14 games did more for the WNBA then all of you combined (like in traveling and fill arenas ) ... you just remind me of Steph Curry again ... everyone diss him before the draft ... they tried to diss him up until 2017 (before he was "overrated" ....KD join the team and "its not fair")...his teammates leave or injured ... he is going back to "overrated" ... then comes the Ring and FMVP 2022 ...
If you put CC on the All-Star team, they’re going to double team her she’s going to pass to the open player and it’s gonna be a score. You give her teammates that can catch the ball and you’re gonna see crazy numbers.
A big issue here is basketball purists vs "bandwagon" fans. I am definitely a bandwagon fan, I love watching caitlin clark, HOWEVER. From watching Caitlin's games I've now become a fan of Arike Ogunbowale. Let us watch the players we want and we'll eventually become fans of the WNBA. Stop gatekeeping.
One of the smartest things I've heard on the whole WNBA vs Clark, Reese, etc, issue...Similar thing happened when Pete Maravich, a white player who was a national phenomenon in college and literally most popular player in the NCAA, got drafted and negotiated the first million dollar contract in professional sports (when even NBA stars were just getting $50,ooo a year) as a ROOKIE; players, teammates, other NBA owners, much of the media and conservative fans who accused Maravich of turning the NBA into the Harlem Globetrotters criticized, resented, maligned and even bad-mouthed and bullied him on the court despite Maravich bringing more attention and fans to the fame (ATL built the Omni bc of him).. After Maravich let the cat out of the bag, however, other players (like Jabbar) expected and asked for money and owners had no choice but to pay them after free agency was won in court.
You and gill are 2 dummies... What station is showing the girls Olympic??? Answer that question because it's not on NBC ... So what millions of views it's going to get???
I agree 💯, They made every point I’ve been talking about, these rookies should be on the USA team and I would even put JuJu on it like they did in the past when they put 1 college player on the USA team, she has an enormous fan base just like CC, that’s how you grow the game , introduce your stars. The league also needs to change the rules like the NBA did when they eliminated hand checking, get the physical play out and let these little guards create more, people want to see that, some of those girls have crazy handles but they can’t display it because of the hand checking and body checking, let the play and people will watch more girls will play, nobody wants to be close lined and body slammed , hip checked , they don’t get paid enough for that ish, 🤦♂️ wake up ladies
Champion players who never won a ring: Carmelo Anthony, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski, Ernie Banks. Here are a few greats who never won the big one in their sport. It does not diminish what they accomplished in their careers or their greatness. So to all the Clark naysayers give it a rest. It takes being surrounded by great players to win it all.
You missed the boat. I did not say that. The point made is CC is a winner as are all those excellent athletes who never won a ring. CC is great and is not accepted because of the racist outlook on excellence by black WNBA players. I was pointing out the fact that Angel Reese said Clark was not great because she never won a ring,
New sub. Great job! Truth rocks!! These guys are super smart and relatable and make great points. Your commentary is great too. Thanks for shining a light on this!!
So you’re saying she doesn’t have the skills? I feel like you just danced in circles and you sound like them/they narrative. Similar to SAS saying the only reason she’s getting views is because she’s white….. I guess just like Kobe, Jordan, Magic, Tiger, Lebron, Venus, Shaq etc… you know, All these white folk adored and supported by the whyte man… Clark is skilled and worked her ass off to get where she is. Plus, watch her post games, pre games, watch her get race bated against her own damn name… all she does is answers with humility, class and integrity. That’s what Americans follow. Not unaccountability and blame shifting, race batting BS that the mainstream talking heads push.
Did you hear who I compared her too? I'm trying to speak in a way these Clark naysayers will understand. If I came out and said she's better than majority of the list they would not comprehend the importance of the money part.
Dude, you nailed it on legacy fans vs newcomers. I didn’t give 2 craps about “thu dub” before Clark and Brink. Now it is must watch streaming. The “thu dub” front office better wake up, especially about the inconsistent ref’ing.
Stop Hitting, Pushing, Deriding, Excluding, & Bullying and all of this stops. If you are making excuses for all of that then you are covering for abuse of Women (not just Clark but ALL women athletes).
I enjoyed your video. Don't worry about them miserable haters you said it best if you love yourself then nothing else matters. Shout out to owning your own small buisness same here keep on doing you homie nothing makes a hater mader then you living well you don't need to say nothing
I love the rivalry between Caitlen Clark and Angel Reece however i wish Angel would be more like Magic and Bird who were also rivals but they both had respect for each other. Angel is just hateful. The reason i watched my 1st women's basketball game was because of Caitlen Clark and that's how i saw Angel Reece
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I’ve only seen Reese play when she’s playing against Clark. I’m not a baller but it looks to me the reason Reese gets a lot of rebounds is because she is “recovering” her or her team mates misses.
@@dorirobinson8399well that's usually when you rebound off of misses. Misses are going to happen. Someone has to get in there and do it. Rebounding is tough. Please let these two young ladies coexist with each other.
If Clark isn’t there, Angel Reese is just another nice player drafted into the league. She was drafted 7th. Nothing about her game is compelling to watch. She’s Clark’s foil, that’s what made her a national name
You crazy!! Where is Caitlin's ring? She left 0-2. Angel is a NCAA CHAMP! All Caitlin has are a few three pointers! Y'all get outta here with average Caitlin.
Indianas fever got the #1 pick again this year cuz last year after drafting aliyah boston they didn't win a game ,.so CC came Into a team that was winless all season long... so far with CC NOW , the fever have 5 wins... that's 5 more wins that the fever had in the past 2 seasons... cmon now, I been watching . Not one fever player can finish at the rim .
Gil and Rashad cooked in their takes. Unfortunately, these salty WNBA vets are creating unnecessary impediments to grow their game. At this point it's just pathetic and weird.
Great point that CC was famous from college NOT from the WNBA. Sorry but it is a 1 target thing. Angel is just another WNBA player if not for CC. No CC not talk of this rookie draft year.
Watch her teammates. As long as they play as true team , the Fever team as a whole will rise and soar in popularity. They will get their chance in the sun. You know why? Hitch your wagon to a star! She will set them up with assists & confidence. Just watch.
If the nba cut the wnba off, the wnba would collapse. They cannot survive without the charity of men. We had a womens soccer league that failed here just a few years ago. In spite of all the ratings for the US national team, and the popularity of the players all over social media and legacy media, the Women's league failed to turn profit. They too receive charity from the men at the national team level.
We can go on about this and that . But if you look at the WNBA game highlight clicks on RU-vid there is only one person . People are clicking on . Whatever anyone else says
@@flyhippieofficial Keep going Lil Bro you got what it takes...I'll continue to watch your content and support you...Wish IK knew how to make a channel lol
@kee7678 is absolutely right @blaster216 the 2 top players on the Olympic team is Aja & Turasi 2 of the girls in that team played less that 2 games combine when the voting was put out and 1 didn't play a single game. Caitlin stats matches and even is slightly better then Turasi , numbers don't lie
@sam232100 always a color thing for you people. I'm talking skill and your talking color 🤣 Caitlin is a rookie and her stats matches taurasi look at the numbers . Your telling me the numbers lie !? Taurasi is better then more then half of that team and Cait isn't?? Stop it, I got numbers backing me up you got color and agenda , who's capping who 🏌♂️
@@blac_shyguy9442 White people are the reason we have this color situation going on…Whites on restaurants, whites only bathrooms, ect…we don’t have to accept yall, this isn’t the 1900s…
