Giro 2024 Week 1 Recap - Can anyone catch Pogacar? | THEMOVE 

Giro by far the most beautiful tour. Italy is just incredible.

They should replace the Young Rider's jersey with a Master's jersey (35+).

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I love the extended coverage. I've been following racing since Lance was killing it in Europe and I remember how limited our viewing options were then. Now I can turn on the Tour of Italy and watch it while I do work around the house and if I have to, I can always come back later and watch what I missed at my convenience. I l ove this new coverage and am glad we have it.

Please continue doing JB2 cos we don't need a recap of grand tour week where they discuss about golf, ratings and dullness of cycling. Cycling is already amazing cos of the historic scenery and millions of spectators by the road who wait there whole day just to see cyclists for couple of seconds. And today we are in the cycling era of respect among competitors, high class and sportsmenship. Just look around, Pogacar dominates, but nobody among cyclists hates him. He remains humble and even does work in his team for others. Again please, continue with JB2 episodes.

Poggys is in the process of painting his masterpiece this year

Splitting the TV rights between so many different providers is just silly if you want to see a sport succeed.

I prefer the GIRO over everything.

My favorite line in this was when lance said he doesn’t do these shows to talk about himself. 😂

I just don't think that having a guy like Pogacar making history is boring. I actually watch it because of him (just like I used to watch tennis because of Federer, MotoGP because of Valentino Rossi, and WRC because of Sebastien Loeb)

If the Giro was in a package with Le Tour and the Vuelta, I’d pay for that but, I’m not paying for a separate service just for the Giro. I’ll pay for The tour and the Vuelta on Peacock. Eurosport highlights and closing 4 or 5k is sufficient Giro coverage for me.

Numbers are down because life is expensive and many will not pay crazy amounts of money to another streaming package when GCN had it for a very affordable price. Canceling GCN app was a horrible idea.

Hi from Denmark. Just to let you all know.....Vingeggard is on th bike again, training outside, as one can see in a vd, put up by Visma L.B. As a dane and a fan of cycling, i hope so much, that we all gonna see that rivalry again, on the top level, as we seen the last 2 years. Isn´t that what we all wanna see..?? I´m hoping for it to happen. Cheers.

I loved getting to know racers and families. Up close and personal stuff. Then each run broken down hazards etc. Then we feel in the race more.

I love watching the Giro coverage from start to finish here in the USA on Max! It starts where I am at 420 AM so have to set the alarm and watch it in my phone while I go to the gym and multitask but I love it from start to finish. Italy is gorgeous! I’ve asked relatives if they would want to live there and they said no, the economy is bad and Rome is way overcrowded but it’s beautiful nonetheless. Loving this Giro and thanks for the great show guys! ❤️

When talking about viewership numbers one big difference between Tiger, Lance and Pog is the fact that Pog is not American. Why would Americans join a streaming site to watch a non American dominate a race? I recon if he was the numbers would be a lot higher.

Come on bro, NAIRO is also a hall of famer on the race. Please respect the Condor de los Andes 🦅🏔 Mad respect for G too.

WEDU needs a streaming service! You are so right, numbers are down due to the loss of GCN. It is a real struggle down here in NZ.

Geraint is an Olympic champion in addition to all the cycling world TDF etc. Just looked up his wikipedia, 2 Olympic golds, 3 World Champ golds. As a cycling fan I really only, properly, rate classics & GTs myself but Geraint is still definitely a Hall of Famer. He has achieved so much despite falling off more than any other top rider I can think of. The question of length of races vs fans attention span comes up all the time & is a despicable point, not worthy of this podcast. So the Tours become TV friendly distances & we all stop respecting them the same day. It is the shear duration that is the test of strength. If they could do this 100+yr ago. What, are we weaker now?

Great show today guys! 👏👏👏

Thanks for another informative show, gentlemen.

Preach, Johan, preach.

Great video & comments as usual - especially drawing attention to the loss of viewers since GCN is no longer available. Also good to hear the comments on Geraint Thomas - what a star! Multiple world & Olymic Champion on the track - riding several minutes as a pursuit rider on a track then multiple podium finishes in 3 week Tours - including of course his victory in 2018 - and still a down to earth guy without a massive ego!

Tadej is not only the greatest cyclist on the planet, he is also the most likeable of all the top riders. He is so easy to root for. But any comparison to Tiger Woods is ridiculous. Tiger was a phenomenon. He single handedly elevated and totally transformed his sport as no other athlete ever has or likely ever will.

i'm from europe, Cycling is huge here, Golf is nothing here, so Pogi is at least as important as woods

honestly, the giro has been so much more fun than last year's tour. also, remco has videos about he coming back to training on his youtube

I was never a fan of the 5 hour marathon tv coverage. The 1 hour post race show covering the critical parts of the stage, analysis, and next day preview was far more interesting.

I get the feeling talking TdF all year helps implicitly inflate Lance's ego with his record in that race. Keep it to Giro for now plenty of time to talk TdF when is time

Johan B knows Pog and his UAE hit squad are doping just as our man Lance and his Blue train did back in the day. Sage's advice - don't get too greedy, we have made those mistakes in the past haha.. Lance going "oh boy"

For someone who races, or has raced, the full coverage of the grand tours and stage races is important. While everything appears to happen in the last hour or so, that hour was set up in the previous four or five hours. Lance's point about "packaging" sports for the younger generation - I think the sport can continue to put more emphasis on cyclocross, to build that interest.

Great show despite the non-race. Another reason Tadej Pogacar isn't Tiger Woods is because he isn't American, or even West European. He is Slovenian. Slovenia is a tiny country that produces many of the world's greatest athletes while the rest of the world hardly notices. Pro cycling needs to promote its stars, and its marque teams, internationally, but the current terrible structure of the sport discourages it.

Pogacar is an athlete. Golfers are not

keep up the good work fellas

Kids will watch 12 hours of a video game tournament.

while a more open hip angle can help generate more power, the power arc of the stroke shortens. this is why oval rings make sense in theory to reduce the dead zone of the pedal stroke but increase the power side of it. in tts shorter cranks make more sense because of the very aggressive constant position. and maybe its more aero from a smaller pedaling diameter, but the saddle must be raised which is less aero. like anything theres a sweet spot with wiggle room. to go 1mm either way is more marginal than an osp because the riders' body will adapt to be more efficient.

One thing to consider with respect to leverage and cranks is that the crank arm length is just one point of leverage in the drive train. The other is obviously the chainrings/cassette combos, so talking about just crank arm length with longer cranks equating to more leverage doesn't quite cover it. And beyond the biomechanics Johan mentioned, shorter cranks have that bit less frontal area, and the smaller chainrings you might use with shorter cranks weigh less.

I disagree with Lance and Johan regarding the viewership of The Giro vs the Tour , vs F1. Your opinions May be valid in the USA but Europe loves to attend and watch on their sports channels like TG1 or RAI in Italy. And Euorosport all over The E.U. I can say that in Arizona many riders were dismayed at the cancellation of GCN but we had to find other sources of this great race. My last question is specifically define why the two of you state that the Giro is the second best vs. The Tour ? What is your criteria .

It sucks that NBC sports isn’t carrying the Giro! And the recaps on RU-vid are too short. I’ve been to the Giro and it’s a blast to follow

I think cycling should give all their rights in the US to Max and Peacock. Flo taking some Belgian classics is frustrating. Need just one or two streaming services for all the content.

Orange LMT is on repeat shipment and is a daily. I add LMT mixed with a little homemade apple cider vinegar (couple of tablespoons) and its game on.

Amercian watching from Sydney. Lance and Johan dropping science.

Johan "Anything more boring than Formula 1?' Me "Golf"

I do like the breakaway formation 😊😊

I’m American and I like many sports, including cycling. I don’t know why more Americans don’t like cycling? It is just as exciting as any other sport.

I defended tactics of Ineos, too.

Tip: I'm watching the Giro online on Australian TV for free (from the US)

Lance may just be a bit old school. I understand the point regarding TV, but a quick comparison between the stage 20 TT highlight video by gcn 2023 vs the stage 7 highlight video by Eurosport in 2024 will show that this years TT already has about ¾ of last years views. And I would bet 11 months down the road it will have more views even though it wasn‘t nearly as decisive or interesting. And that is RU-vid. We both know that is not the favorite platform for todays kids anyways. And on Instagram Pog has 1.5 million followers which is nothing compared to football or basketball stars, but it is still huge in the world of cycling or endurance sports. So I guess he certainly has appeal to a broader young audience. And even if your story certainly was bigger. He is the first cyclist people beyond cycling started to notice in a long time.

Which rivals do you guys keep referring to? Vingegaard is the only rider that managed to beat Pogacar in a grand tour in the past three years.

I think the show is so much better when Spencer hosts. Would love to see more of him.

Can someone help me find the ratings and viewership numbers cited in this podcast? Having trouble finding any reporting on Eurosport tv ratings and max streaming numbers for this giro. Thank you.

The problem with cycling is that you have to have 3 different subscriptions to watch racing.

Ineos have said they are experimenting with 165mm crank arms

That Jay Z quote was legit, Lance.

Agh! I have max and didn’t even realize it was on there. I’ve been annoyed by the lack of video coverage too. That’s on me. Thanks for calling out the coverage though, homies. I can watch the rest of the giro now lol

Want to boost ratings for cycling? Find a way to get the top names in the same race. You compared cycling to F1, but at least I know who is going to show up in a F1 race. I like cycling so much more, but want to see the best compete against each other. I know that’s not how the sport is set up, but it’s the biggest thing holding the sport back from a wider audience.

Lance always loved George no matter wtf where is he 😅

This was just not liseneable. But it is cool Lance and Brunel selling chemistry. Their experise

5x more people watch the Giro(800mill) than the superbowl(150 mill) and twice as many watch the Giro than the Footballs champion leagues(400mill)

RE: Viewer numbers - Max is 3x the price of what GCN Plus was. It's almost like decisions have consequences and the market just won't bear that absurd and downright greedy move by WB-Discovery.

When 95% of the GC favorites are not at the race, Tadej has no problem winning this race. Unless he gets taken out by something or someone. All ******

Jonas is done! Johann doesn't know what he's talking about. He usually does but this time he's totally disregarding the physical and mental trauma of Jonas' crash. He will never race with the same confidence again. That was a life changing crash there. The video where he shows he's back on the bike is like a video of somebody getting kidnapped and they are ordered to look happy and say that everything is going well. If you haven't truly check his crash go find a long video of the stage and you'll see how extremely hard he crashed right into a boulder and was thrown over it where he remained until taken out on a stretcher. Anytime he will be in a race, esp on descents he will be on his toes. He should avoid Tour by all means and focus on healing, but of course it's big business so the sponsors and the team directors will push him over the cliff. All for the fame and money. That's why Roglic left Visma. They never let him heal, so he got sick and tired of it racing with his body half broken. When he went to get a second opinion the team doctors went against it and claimed he was fine when he totally wasn't. He had multiple injuries that never healed due to the pressure to perform and not take time off, and sacrifice his health for the team. Sad but true. Most of you fresh fans of cycling are extremely ignorant of what racing on such level is about as you are in general ignorant about life and fame as well, which involves many industries and other fields of life. I'm not surprised at all.

Pogi looks a kilo or more lighter this year to me.

Max and peacock for all cycling

Lance "im not gonna talk about myself" Armstrong

I love the WEDU show but not this one on Giro. There are way too many talking around the Giro but the race itself. I would prefer a stage by stage small recap and give a bit more mention to other teams and winners. I have it open on loudspeaker and my friend who is just a random race watcher said ‘so it’s a boring race they say. Then what is a recap for ?’ He could be biased but the impression isn’t wrong. The discussion is all over the place with a lot of underlying assumption that listeners follow the sport closely and know what is being talked about. It is very hard to follow for those who don’t but want to hear about the Giro. Even for me who watched the entire Giro so far, I get very little wisdom out of it. You can do way better than the RU-vid kids on racing strategy, analysis. That’s what I’m here for, at least for this kind of episode like what you do for the Tour.

I would guess its the change in broadcaster, people need new subscriptions. And that can be an issue in these times.

The streaming war is destroying the audience for not so mainstream sports. Before you had espn in your cable tv subscription, that most people have to watch football or basketball or whatever, and people would watch what they where transmitting and get hooked. Now no one knows where to watch. In most Latin American countries, the only what to watch is claro tv, who has that?

With the success of the Tour de France show on Netflix, it would be cool to see Netflix broadcast the TdF live stage by stage. TBH I'm getting subscriptioned to death. I don't want another subscription to just watch cycling. Cycling needs to find away to get their product to the masses via mainstream sources, especially in NA. I'm in Canada and its hard to follow along without one more subscrpition. Get with Amazon Prime, Netflix, Crave, RU-vid, whatever.

at 6:02 , does lance way with vit d he would have won the tour for an eight timelol

GT is fading back - Tadej is riding in a bubble for 99.9% of the stages. The final 3 will be Pogacar, Martinez, Tiberi- that order

Numbers are down because in country's like India we can't watch

Twitter should be called “Y” like y are you still looking at it 😅

Bottom line Pogi is warming up for The Tour.

Cyclists shouldn't have a Vit D problem, you get Vit D from the sun, get plenty of sun, but use UV Block, unless it's wintertime

only 2 Hall of famers? Benjamin Thomas, 5 World Championship titles on the track(Madison, Omnium, Points race), 5 European championship titles on track. on top of that there are 11 podiums in World and European track championships apart from his gold medals, that makes it 21 time he has been on a podium in a world or european track championship. He is definately a Hall of famer.

Poh-gaachah. Jeez.

golf is a good comparison. the additional thought is that you are assuming they want a worldwide audience. Augusta did not, and still does not want diversity, and from my experience in France, Italy, I assume that these are local events and are run in such a way. That an outsider wins is maybe considered a negative. The Giro is for Italians and for ppl to admire Italy... end of story, jmtc, I could be way off.

Golf was super boring during Tiger woods it was maxed getting television views because of the media companies. They decide not the viewers Tiger was politically correct fuel.Vingo will win the tdf if he is not permanently damaged from accident.

No doubt TV viewing in the US is down, after the best coverage we've ever had was killed by bean counters to be replaced by crappy streaming service run by people who know nothing about cycling or cycling fans. I won't pay for that.

I like Lance and the show but to say the racing might be boring is hilarious. The Lance reign of wins was some of the most boring racing ever. Lance and Postal was the most methidical when it came to patrolling the peloton. Bullying and deals being made was par for the course. Lance was great for American cycling but the racing strategy was predictable as the sun rising and just as exciting.

I'm having a hard time watching cycling atm. After Vingegaard's absolutely ridiculous time trial in the TDF last year and Pogacar times that surpass known dopers of the past I don't believe any of these guys are clean. I think they just need to give up on acting like modern sports are legit. From LeBron James to Pogacar all these guys are enhanced. Let's just accept it and have it out in the open.

Cycling just like Nascar is boring until the final kilometers. I don't have the time to watch feed zone activities or watch all the beautiful scenery. Even during the tour I catch the youtube condesned highlights unless it's a really close mountain stage that might have some excitement. That's coming from a 66 year old cyclist.

Lance that is too much publicity to handle at the startn makes you lose lots of viewers. Make them.way shorter.less talking , more visuals.

Their are very rare charismatic personalities in sports that drive audiences and there is more to it than just being excellent. Muhammed Ali, O.J. Simpson, Bo Jackson, Carl Lewis, Lance Armstrong, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Mike Tyson, Usain Bolt, and Serena Williams are examples of athletes who are able to transcend the audience that normally follows their sports. For all of his brilliance, and he is the brightest star in cycling, Tadej Pogacar is not THAT kind of personality. And honestly I'm glad for him, because when you look at that list there aren't very many people on it that I would want my child to be...that limelight is very destructive.

TV presentation has nothing to do young people not watching. Road bikes are too expensive. Why would you watch cycling if you can't afford a bike?

Soccer is popular with kids and its long and boring. So whats the point?

I’m sure you did some blood work the other day lance, lts a very hard podcast to watch, of course you use the podcast to crowbar yourself into the conversation at any given moment like unlikeable narcissists do.

LOL, nobody likes golf in the EU, dont be subjective

Body weight matters but no one cares about the extra kilos they have to drag from disc brake rotors and fluid

...god, this guy is boring

he is the greatest, no doubt, but for me it's so boring I don't even watch anymore

Skip the first 7 mins. Longest intro ever.

Its Vindegaard... not Vindego

I think Tadej has pit stops set up for sight seeing & wine tasting for the next few weeks. 👍🏻🚵🏼🍷💯🇸🇮