GitHub Copilot Is Making Elite Developers EVEN BETTER 

Yes AI will soon replace mockists. LOL!

But the fun part is precisely the technical part. If you replace that part and only leave the social part, what distinguishes you from other professions? or rather, because it takes away the fun part that is the technique and leaves only the boring (social) part. I want to be in front of a computer and not have 747383 meetings with people I don't like

@@bobobo1673 It’s not as binary as that. Perhaps it would be more apt to say that software engineering is a socio-technical activity. While AI can produce pieces of code, it cannot make informed architectural decisions, which requires straddling both sides, nor understand the domain for that matter. Not at least until we have automated general intelligence, in other words synthetic consciousness. What I think AI will give us is better tooling, error checking, production monitoring etc etc. It will not displace software engineers, it will augment them. This is the difference between automation and autonomation.

It makes any daunting concept a lot less daunting. It's fantastic at explaining concepts and providing an example that gives you a better understanding than you had before - in a matter of seconds.

It will be interesting to see how copyright and license shakes out. LLMs currently ignore it, and whatever it spits is claimed to not be tainted. How similar to the source does the generated code have to considered a straight copy? As you training the tools while paying a subscription fee for the privilege of using it?

There is nothing fundamentally wrong with what you say. When a company offers a service and another one steps in to offer the same service in a better way, then that is when you need to: 1. Improve your service. 2. Offer a unique service that your competitors don't offer. 3. Close for good! That is the world of industry. I personally think that Stack Overflow is getting to it's limit of usefulness with tons of ridiculous questions and full of outdated answers, that make it difficult to navigate and find good answers (just my opinion, you might have a different one). So having instant good answers through AI is faster and, in some cases, more reliable.

@@Andrumen01But that's the catch, LLMs are just digesting and recomposing text they've seen elsewhere, they have no concept of programming, you can't just give them the technical specification for a language and expect them to provide meaningful answers on how to build any program you want from it. If ChatGPT leads to Stack Overflow and developer blogs and tutorial sites either being shut down or paywalled off, then the source of information that makes ChatGPT actually useful shuts down too, leading to it becoming less useful and a nasty cycle could result.

The idea that stack overflow is what the models learned on is absolutely asinine most posts on stack overflow is "HOW DO I DO THIS BASIC SHIT" followed by "Removed for duplicate post." As for where you get trained on, you RTFM aka the documentation, and the internet is a constantly growing library of free resources. You act like if AI replaces a couple forums of rude people that suddenly all the information is gone. I pity anyone who was having to suffer through those websites in the first place. Take a course, read the manual, solve personal problems with code, build a few projects; I've spent months trying to decide how to get the most use out of the resources on the internet and none of the actual materials for learning that successful people suggest to me will be negatively impacted, removed or replaced by AI tools.

@@imagudspellr1644 It just means that you are not using it correctly or you are just getting bad answers. AI is just a tool, nothing else. Shovels are not as cool as bulldozers, but they can do a good job in the proper context.

Yeah one of the things i struggle with is that i can write the code and i can come up with the high level ideas, and then when i dig into it and i go to write and wire up the interfaces, services, controllers and whatnots together i'll forget steps and i use chat gpt/ co pilot to help me when debugging where im missing a connection or if i should abstract something to an interface or something else.

Haha nice 😂

...id probably pay up to 100 a month for copilot.

@@PavelHenkin Id pay 300. For chatgpt, Id pay 500.

I think that is probably true, but I am still sceptical because English and Java evolved to address VERY different problems. English, like all human languages is vague and imprecise, Java is a technical language, design explicitly to define things precisely. I don't think that they are doing the same job, and while I think I would be VERY limited trying to have a conversation in Java, I also think that I am very limited in trying to express a precise algorithm in English. So I am not sure the English will ever be a more efficient way to define code, unless that code is something that has been done before, and you can refer to it. Which is what the LLMs are really good at. I am pretty certain that one day computers will write all the code, but I am also pretty sure that by the time they can do that, it will be because they can do everything that we can do, only better, because they will need to be as creative as us to solve the problems from limited info. As long as we are specifying the problems to them, I think some form of computer language will always be better at that than some form of natural human language.

I do too

I got my first contracts in the industry (after recovering from a failed startup) replacing garbage that small companies were mis sold with just normal maintainable standard open source stuff. So this sounds like it could open up much more of that market - with the downside that SMEs are mis sold useless garbage for a decade or so more first xD

Why don't you pay for it.. for yourself. Then increase your productivity 10x (quite possible) using it. But use the 9x for yourself?

@@PavelHenkin $10 a month is quite a lot of money for a bloke from South Africa. The exchange rate is brutal. It would be nice if Git Hub would charge pro rata per country using economic and exchange rate factors for monthly charges like Twitch does.

@@henryvaneyk3769 I believe it, mate. Do the other ones measure up - eg codewhisperer?

If you get more than $10/month value from using it then I would suggest you find a different boss.

@@allanwind295 Working on that...

I doubt it, but you do not need them. If you look at history you can see multitudes of examples of new tech disrupting industries, and project that onto what effect real ai will have. Specialisation lead us away from being surfs, automation removed horses as primary power sources, and changed us from working near 18 hour days seven days per week towards the current 40 hour 5 day standard. Mechanisation also stopped us using 98 percent of the population for agriculture, moving most of them to easier, lower hour, better paying work. This lead to more office work, where wordprocessors and then computers killed both the typing pool and the secretarial pool, as bosses became empowered to do work that used to have to be devolved to secretaries. As computers have become more capable they have spawned multiple new industries with higher creative input, and that trend will continue, with both ai and,additive manufacturing only speeding up the process. The tricky bit is not having the industrial and work background change, but having the social, legal and ethical background move fast enough to keep up. When my grandfather was born, the majority of people still worked on the land with horses, we did not have powered flight, and the control systems for complex mechanical systems were cam shafts and simple feedback systems. When I was born, we had just stepped on the moon, computers had less power than a modern scientific calculator app on your smartphone, and everyone was trained at school on the assumption of a job for life. By the time I left school, it became obvious that the job for life assumption was on it's way out from the early seventies, and we needed to train people in school for lifelong learning instead, which a lot of countries still do not do. By the year 2000, it became clear that low wage low skilled work was not something to map your career around, and that you needed to continually work to upgrade your skills so that when you had to change career after less than 20 years, you had options for other, higher skilled and thus higher paid employment. Current ai is hamstrung by the fact that companies developing it are so pleased by the quantity of available data to train them with that they ignore all other considerations, and so the output is absolutely dreadful. If you take the gramarly app or plug in, it can be very good at spotting when you have typed in something which is garbage, but it can be hilariously bad at suggesting valid alternatives which don't mangle the meaning. It also is rubbish at the task given to schoolchildren to determine things like if you should use which or witch, or their, there or the're. Copilot makes even worse mistakes, as you use it wanting quality code, but the codebases it was trained upon have programmers with less than 5 years experience, due to the exponential growth of programming giving a doubling of the number of programmers every 5 years. It also does nothing to determine the license the code was released under, thereby encouraging piracy and similar legal problems, and even if you could get away with claiming that it was generated by copilot and approved by you, it is not usually committed to version control that way, leaving you without an audit trail to defend yourself. To the extent you do commit it that way, it is not copyrightable in the us, so your companies lawyers should be screaming at you not to use it for legal reasons. Because no attempt was made as a first step to create an ai to quantify how bad the code was, the output is typically at the level of the average inexperienced programmer, so again, it should not be accepted uncritically, as you would not do so from a new hire, so why let the ai contribute equally bad code? The potential of ai is enormous, but the current commercial methodology would get your project laughed out of any genuinely peer reviewed journal as anything but a proof of concept, and until they start using better methods with their ai projects there are a lot of good reasons to not let them near anything you care about in anything but a trivial manner. Also as long as a significant percentage of lawmakers are as incompetent as you typical magazine republican representative we have no chance of producing a legal framework which has any relationship to the needs of the industry, pushing development to less regulated and less desirable locations, just like is currently done with alternative nuclear power innovations.

"we no longer need junior devs", so I guess everyone will start from mid ?

​@@ivangechev4243lol that's right. We're selfish as fuck and everyone is a stepping stone plug for us accomplish something. Not a human being that needs to grow themselves, who we abandon to shitty work environments (as long as they get out of our way)

So sad and so true

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