What I've realised from watching cliff is. I have seen many people who debates against another religion and often leads to people being offended on the other side. Cliff on the other hand preaches with love and the validity of Jesus rather trying to prove people that their religion is bad. Such a loving way to show ourselves as Christians and followers of christ bas on love.
Haha! Bless you brother! You are a very smart man! Loved the last response to the man you told that we need to deal with reality, not to what we theorize
@@jacintowilliamson5597 can you give a justification how Krishna is Lord too? My g/f came was a Hindu, & came to Christianity & believes Jesus is the One & only God, & the One true God.
Thanks for doing all this mate your doing a great job.
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Why Christianity? bc you want to believe what is true, we believe that Christianity is the one and only true faith. Cliffe has given several solid reasons as to why we should believe in Christ.
beleive understand and practice the word of god and dont lean on your own understandings or of that of what the world's deems as gods ♥️ learn share and teach @Cliffe Knechtle i pray i have the patience and wisdom as you you are amazing my friend
(16:26) - I kinda agree with this guy in this sense, salvation in Christ is not brought about by intellectual ability or self efforts, if that was true then the intellectuals of our day will be thrilled by the message of the gospel. It is God doing his work in peoples heart, bringing them to faith, convicting them of their sins and therefore finding their need in Christ. Sometimes saying I don’t trust in the Bible because if is inspired by God can be misconstrued. We believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God and we can prove it by doing what cliff is doing. God does his work in peoples hearts, rich, poor, smart and no so smart alike.
One of the evidences for the Bible being the Word of God is fulfilled prophecy. When Jesus lived on the Earth He fulfilled many prophecies from the Law and Prophets writings. His birth was foretold in Micah 5:2. It was foretold that He would be betrayed and sold out for 30 pieces of silver which were used to buy a potters field. John 5:39 Jesus said You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, Jesus actually claimed to be one of the main characters of the Scriptures.
I'm pretty sure he wanted Cliffe to evangelize a different way. To teach people about Jesus instead of trying people to think logically about it. However in an age of logic(like we're Vulcans) then you gotta get em with logic. These are real questions people have. As representatives of God we must answer them so what Cliffe is doing is actually really amazing
i understand what the guy at 16:16 is saying, but here's the thing. he takes the burden on himself of proving the existence of God when that isn't our burden to bear
DG4827, no one can prove or disprove the existence of God. What we use apologetics for is to present the evidence of God and Jesus Christ with reason, which is exactly what the apostle Paul did when he presented the Gospel to the Gentiles he encountered. Faith is indeed a heart issue, but many people will not even consider that step until they acknowledge the plausibility of God and Christ after seeing the evidence. Many aren't convinced by the evidence, but many are.
@@mikeshannon1864 Exactly, Mike. Reason we can't prove or disprove God's existence is because the only tools we have available to us only "prove/disprove" natural things, but God is superNATURAL
I still have so many thoughts and questions about myself... I'm born and raised in an orthodox hindu family and I've upheld my faith all my life. I've prayed a lot during tough times, sometimes my problems fade away when I do, sometimes they don't and maybe get worse than expected. But yet I love my gods and goddesses and feel that all these gods and goddesses are just a single deity, lord Vishnu. (since all the gods were made from Vishnu's powers) But recently I was introduced to Jesus through some YT vids and it seems so magical, so real and so interesting to me, obviously since I've not really read or heard much stories around Christianity. And if I'm a true believer in hindu, does that mean I'm sinning? Does it mean that I'm going to hell for not following Jesus's path? Does that mean my religion was false all my life? Or am I right? Am I doing the right thing to follow my religion and not Jesus? I do think the stories of Christianity seem true but I'm not that orthodox christian... I'm not that guy to pray to Jesus the first thing I get into trouble... I don't go to Church....
Go to Google and search "sermon on the mount"and read it all and make a choice for yourself. Is this from God or is it from man trust Mr your heart will know
Here's an interesting question. At about 21:00 Cliffe says "Jesus Christ wants to change your life". What is stronger, my honest doubt in Christ, or Jesus's desire to draw me closer to him?
***** Good to hear your thoughts, I agree with you, it's good to doubt and ask questions, the way I see it is God ( if he exists) would know what would convince me, the more I have delved into Christianity over the past decade or so, the more convinced I am that he doesn't exist. Talking to Christians on here, and elsewhere has only confirmed my suspicions that it's almost certainly untrue. You said it yourself, you need a big dose of faith in order to believe it. When it comes down to hard evidence regarding Jesus, there doesn't appear to be any riveting compelling evidence ( why should I take the word of the New Testament?.. written by his followers) I fully understand that millions of people all over the world *are* convinced that Christianity is true, but I have to go with my honest disbelief.
Jimjones Thankyou very much for your reply Jim, I'm absolutely sure everything you said was 100% heartfelt and sincere. I'm not rejecting Christ out of any rebelliousness, stubbornness or anger, if you knew me you'd know what an easy going person I was. I was raised as a Christian, I have always been quite a skeptical person, so stories in the bible seemed very much the same as fairy stories to me, I don't believe in *any* of the biblical miracles in both Old and New Testaments, I'm not convinced by the Gospel accounts or indeed Pauls epistles, they simply don't ring true to me. You said If I ask Jesus to reveal himself to me, he will do so, well, I'm nearing 60 now and he's not revealed himself, and I have come to the conclusion he doesn't exist. You will probably tell me I haven't been honest in asking Jesus to reveal himself to me, but you will never know how desperately I've tried when I've been at very low ebbs in my life. If Christianity works for you Jim, I'm very happy for you. I do have a fascination with religion/faith/Jesus/God, it's something that played a big part of my life, but for me, once I came to the realization that God probably doesn't exist, lots of questions I'd struggled with all my life, made much more sense, I'd say I'm a much happier contented person now than I've ever been in my life. How can a loving God allow a place like Hell to exist?, Let me ask you this Jim, lets suppose hypothetically your son was a non believer, and he died for whatever reason, how could you enjoy heaven knowing that your own beloved son was in an eternal hell? I'm assuming you believe that anyone who does not accept Christ as their savior is hellbound. If that's the case the vast majority of people on the planet are hellbound, regardless of whether they've led decent lives. This is problematic for me. No loving God would send any of his children to a place of eternal punishment for not accepting Jesus as their savior.
Jimjones Hi Jim, thanks again for your replies, I am going through them now. You used the term that I'm "struggling" to find Jesus, I'd say I struggled, I don't think I'm struggling anymore, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that he doesn't exist from what I can deduce. I can't obviously rule it out 100%, should any credible evidence come to light, I would be willing to change my view but I'm not counting on it. Yes, we may have had similar childhoods in that I went to church reluctantly as a child, it was always a chore and something I grew to hate. Also our local priest was quite an unpleasant character who told us that we were hellbound unless we accepted Christ, and he would talk about the fires of hell. So as I grew older religion and faith went out of the window, my interest was rekindled about 15 or so years ago thanks to the internet and hearing a different side to Christianity, I was coming across video's here on RU-vid which questioned the very existence of God and indeed Jesus. My interest has only grown since then. I have a keen interest in things like miracle claims and supernatural experiences, I'm of the opinion now that these things don't happen and that anything that happens has a natural cause when looked at in the cold light of day, I've yet to hear of a really convincing miracle story which has made me think there can be no other explanation, it has to be a miracle. Jim, you say life must have had an intelligent designer, (God), well, that doesn't seem to be what most scientists say, we have pretty good explanations for how life has diversified on our planet, we don't quite yet know *how* it began, but that doesn't mean you can just posit God did it. You talk about prophesy and how the state of Israel formed in 1948, yes, that is what is known as a 'self fulfilling prophesy' it was reversed engineered to be so. I've never seen any prophesy in the bible that has convinced me, the details always seem very vague. I also do not believe in Satan. I shall check out those video's of William Lane Craig, although i may have already seen them, I have watched a lot of his debates and video's, I'm not really a fan of Mr Craig, although he is a very good debater, I will give him his due. He comes across to me as more of a smart lawyer who can get out of a tricky situation.
When he said about the other Earths and why we are significant, I would say that. All of creation is significant, But God has a plan for us, And all we need to do is focus on God's plan us. We don't need to think about the other Earths or planets because that is the Lord's responsibility. God has a separate plan for them, All we need to do is focus on our plan.
I love you Cliffe, but I disagree that there is no evidence to support that Elohim inspired all of the authors of the Bible. The prophecy of the Old Testament and the actual archaeological proof. Christs birth, life and death were all prophesied by different people in the Old Testament of the Bible and eluded to in parallels such as the atonement ceremony. Also, something like 40-50 authors over 1500 years all writing scrolls found in different places that are Cohesive and don’t contradict each other clearly show that Elohim inspired the authors of His word. Noah’s ark was found, people are still finding sulfur where Sodom and Gomorrah would have been to to this day. Christs death was prophesied in psalms, Isaiah and Daniel. Just considering the difference in time from when David was King to when Daniel wrote of the 70 weeks is evidence that all of the writings of the word of God were inspired by Him. And we cannot believe in His Word only in the New Testament when Yesuah/Jesus himself referenced Old Testament. If He is the Word, The Truth and the Life, why would he reference a lie? Humbly and in love. I love your work ❤
I think because prophechy is easy to refuted by saying "That's just how you interpret it, there are others who interpret it differently". When Cliffe said you can not prove any book is from God, Cliffe was talking to a muslim, and just like Christianity, Islam also claimed that their book is true because there are prophecy that come true out of it, so no, using prophecy as a way to prove which religion is true is not a reliable way to do.
@@bluee5991there's no interpretation needed for the prophecy in Daniel. Daniel clearly states, "Nebuchadnezzar, you are the head of gold." And then he proceeds to give an entire lesson on how the Roman empire would fall, how it would break up into 10 tribes, 3 would no longer exist, and that's where you get the 7 groups of people in Europe. It's clear and straight to the point. Cliffe definitely needed to walk that guy through Daniel.
Doesn't matter really. Is there reliable evidence behind it or just conjecture. Are their eyewitness accounts or sources outside the belief to back Its claims?
@@adisharr I'm busting up at your comments bro 🤣. Had a dude tell me "I wASnT BoRn AgAiN" after converting from Christianity to agnosticism, all because I think it's pretty absurd to rely on just a Bible. Went on to tell me about my own life and life story 🤣 it was completely wrong. Christians are self righteous pricks
What I get: Part 01: a. Reading is the only way to know it. b. What to say an Agnostic. Part 02: a. I can't prove absolutely that it comes from God for any Religion. So, b. I have to go through all Religions texts and what's more reliable, that is Bible c. I have to read Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. d. After reading God will help me to understand and gain faith in Christ. and bcz of Jesus used the Old Testament (Mathew 04) that's why we'll also look into the Old Testament .
I am wondering why cliff says that you cannot prove that the Bible was inspired by God. I think that you can prove it because there’s super natural content in the Bible like prophecy that has been fulfilled and when Job says that God hangs the earth upon nothing (Job 26:7) He knew this because of super natural revelation. Can’t you prove the Bible is inspired by God with these super natural facts?
Facts bro I also wonder why Cliffe hasn't realized or spoke about prophecy fulfillment being a tool that supports the evidence for the validity of scripture
@@awonkemsutu3866 Because prophecy is a skill that can also be used by The Satan. So it is not necessarily a solid argument for the bible being supernatural.
B/c these people mean proof as material proof. A picture of Jesus after death type proof. God speaking to them directly type proof. Since you need faith to begin with to really know God, you can't present proof
The Bible itself, claims to be the true word of God... How can you believe and not think the Bible is accurate? The Bible is all we have today, you either believe it or not.. I believe it because it proves itself.
I honestly think Cliffe does that because he’s trying to get people who don’t get it spiritually to at least read it from a historical/human point of view. It’s almost like backwards psychology even though the Bible is spiritual if someone could logically experience Christ and the Gospel maybe they could believe. I see what you’re saying tho
Cliffe these are all great videos, but I think you need to emphasize more to people that the Bible, specifically the New Testament, was not written by any one guy or group of guys, but was a collection of accounts, and letters of Paul's travels for example in ACTS. The Bible was not written all at once, there was work to be done. Many of these people say, "Why do you believe and don't say the Bible," my response would be: "why not? The Bible was not all written by the same people at the same point in time, it is a compilation of several people's accounts from different periods shortly after. Letters, a recount from different perspectives as people sought to put their words to paper so they were not lost forever as the testimonies needed to be recorded." Paul for example is not some Bible Thumbing blind believer of Christ. He persecuted Jesus' followers for blasphemy and after a string of victories he runs into the resurrected Christ and flip his mind 180 degrees and dies at the hands of Roman's preaching the truth of the Resurrection. I put my bets on the disciples who were tortured to death, and Paul, an EDUCATED MAN conviction, switching sides when he was lining them up for execution.
There is nothing you will lose by just believing in Jesus Christ. God is not asking for your money, your good works or tons of evidence. hell is real. see www.gotquestions.org
@0:21, the rest of the religions of the world say you have to work your way to heaven. That includes the RCC. Jesus said it was a gift. Do you pay the people that gave you a gift for that gift?
Since God is the first beliefism then whether a person is in Judism or Christianity it is the First,and Only religion. Relationship for all of you technical ppl.
I would actually argue you can prove the old and new testament are the word of God through biblical prophecy. Only God knows the future. Hundreds upon hundreds have been fulfilled to exact detail.
If Cliffe believes in God and the Bible based off the historical evidence of Jesus' teachings, death and resurrection, I wonder where he would stand in his faith if the gospels were removed. In other words, w/o the historicity of Jesus, what is the Bible to Cliffe? Is it just another book about the God of Israel? Cliffe said, 1."There's no way I can show that any book is inspired by God," 2."Apart from experiencing the reliability of Jesus Christ, there is no good reason to believe the Bible is the word of God."
We live by judeo christian values because our basis for law came from the founders use and belief in the bible and the christian God. We have adjusted the laws by the opinions of God fearing men. It was expected of them and they offered it freely. The first day of Congress began with a prayer to the christian God being given. If you have your moral center for right and wrong based on observation since birth, it stands to reason you could know what's right and allow what's wrong, because adults and leaders around you do wrong alot. They even try to claim their faith in the same day ! What you could do amongst many things possible to prove God has spoken to man, get the list of prophecies numbering over 300 that have been fulfilled. Read the bible and search online to get your answers to questions. Look at versions of the bible comparitively. Pick a verse and ask about it. Or type in the word arrangement you have and ask what scripture says. If you keep that list of prophecies, refer to it as you consume the bible. I did it when I had nothing to read and couldn't walk very well. I listened to apologetics on CSN to get discussion on what it says and what it means as well as supporting scripture that proved their assertions. I heard the questions other people had. I was able to answer them myself after awhile. Now when atheists offer things they think contradict, I can tell from what they say and how they say it, that they don't read it and therefore don't understand what it means and why there's so much effort put into proving the evidence and searching each question out to get the best answers by thousands of scholars, professors, and contextual critics or textual variant scholars of 6600 manuscripts. See also, veritas forum. Don't let punctuation or translation or transliteration get you to stop giving God's Word a chance. Look it up. A little at a time. The answers are available.
The reason he and many others struggle with answering the question about life on other planets is because we've been lied concerning the heliocentric model. There are no other planets or aliens. This is a geocentric Earth covered by a firmament. We are the center stage of creation.
Note to Cliffe: Fulfilled prophesy proves that the gospel is fulfilled by the Holy Spirit and was implemented by Jehovah, Father God. Therefore, there is Proof through Prophesy that is found in the Living Word.
In Judaism , according to Scripture ( Old Testament ) Two witnesses are needed to validate truth in a court of law ( not one witness , but two ) . Jesus testified that He is The Son of God in The New Testament on many occasions . John The Baptist also testified that Jesus is The Son of God . Therefore , their testimony validates The Old Testament requirement that testimony in a Court of Law have two witnesses to Truth . And God is The One that created this Commandment .
If there are infinite universes with infinite possibilities, then there is at least 1 universe where Jesus is God and died for humans and rules a dimension outside of any physical universe called Heaven. If that's true in even 1 universe, that there is a transcendent God who created all things and Jesus is His Son and through Him we are saved, then Christianity is true in all universes. The multiverse theory is self defeating. Completely contradictory religions are true in the same way at the same time, as my above example would mean Islam is true at the same time Christianity is, thereby debunking multiverse theory by law of noncontradiction.
there is no vast universe that' big fat lie / and universe doesn't expanding that's big fat lie also : D and there is no mutliverses ; all of those kind theories is all big fat lie ; The multiverse theory is self defeating
Your reductio relies on an invalid inference from _infinite_ to _all._ You say, "If there are infinite universes with infinite possibilities, then there is at least 1 universe where Jesus is God and died for humans and rules a dimension outside of any physical universe called Heaven". That doesn't logically follow because infinite possibilities do not necessarily entail all possibilities. To illustrate what I mean, imagine a number line that includes every positive integer with the exception of 3. That set of numbers would have an infinite cardinality, but clearly it would be a mistake to infer that therefore the set contains ALL the natural numbers. For as I just stipulated, the set does not contain the number 3. In the same way, it's logically possible that there could be an infinite multiverse with infinite possibilities, which still does not include a universe where Jesus is God who died for the sins of humanity. There's nothing logically impossible about an infinite multiverse in which infinite possibilities are actualized, so long as none of those actualized possibilities contradict each other.
@@chad969 That's a very convenient work around. "Oh there are infinite possibilities, therefore God is not needed." "What about the possibility that He exists and Christianity is true." "That's not one of the possibilities."
@@Malhaloc That's a strawman. I never said or implied anything about whether God would or would not be needed. In fact I could have made the exact same objection as one who believes that God is a necessary precondition for a multiverse. Also, I never said or implied that a multiverse couldn't include the possibility that Christianity is true. I simply pointed out that the concept of a multiverse doesn't *_necessitate_* the possibility that Christianity is true. I explained how your attempt to derive a contradiction from the idea of a multiverse relies on an invalid inference. It does not logically follow that because a multiverse includes infinite possibilities, therefore it includes *_all_* logical possibilities. So your argument fails.
@@chad969 The multiverse theory was invented as a way to argue against theism. The argument of the multiverse theory is "If there are an infinite number of universes, then of course at least one one would appear to be ordered like ours does." Now, if you honestly believe in the multiverse theory and don't just use it as an escape from the dilemma of order and design, then fine, I apologize for assuming your argument. Why do you believe in multiverse?
Nondual Advaita Vedantin Hinduism is BEAUTIFUL and philosophically sound, loving and alllll inclusive... no desire for converts. And, everything is in God, impossible to separate. No sin. No evil. No need for redemption.
Fyi: Hinduism is the world’s oldest religion, according to many scholars, with roots and customs dating back more than 4,000 years. Today, with about 900 million followers, Hinduism is the third-largest religion behind Christianity and Islam.
@greenscenery1974 Advaita Vedanta (nondual Hinduism) is reality, where "god" is all that is... making you/me in a beautiful state right now, because we and God are literally one.
But if you are trying to study other religions such as Confucius , Buddhism , you are going to realize deeper meanings of God that sent Jesus and Buddha and other Saints to us .
A bunch of BS - plain and simple. When Cliffe learns what constitutes as EVIDENCE - then we can talk. Believing in something is not the same as having a proof or evidence for that thing. Cliffe needs to understand the fundamental difference between belief and knowledge.
Nathillien It's not Cliffe's belief which he is using as evidence, regardless of what we believe this evidence is there separate to us and our belief. There is scientific evidence which points to some sort of Creator and there is historical evidence for Jesus as a real historical figure this is true, apart from what we believe.
Don't use the word "scientific evidence" lightly. There is a good reason an evidence is called scientific. Why am I saying that? Because there is NO scientific evidence that points to a creator, only a wishful thinking. Whether Jesus was a real historical figure or not doesn't actually matter. What he is portrayed to be, on the other hand, is. The point is that this portrayal (son of god, resurrection ...) cannot be proven and should be treated as such, namely myth.
Nathillien The scientific evidence I'm referring to for a creator is the Big Bang, the DNA code, Irreducible complexity so on. I never said historical evidence for Jesus proved He was God, my point was it's not blind faith it is evidence that we can see which then allows us to trust in it as real. We don't base our daily lives on scientifically proven facts we base our lives on evidence. A husband cannot prove his wife won't cheat instead he trusts her based on the evidence. We cannot scientifically prove justice but yet we spend billions a year on justice systems, because based on the evidence we believe it's real we cannot prove love but if someone we love gets hurt we believe it as real, we can't prove a friend isn't going to steal from us but we trust them because we have good evidence based on their characters. So why do Atheists demand scientifically proven facts before accepting God as real, when they are satisfied with only having evidence for most other things in their lives but accept as real anyway.
Well, if you knew much more about these (Big Bang, DNA code, Irreducible complexity) than just naming them, you would know that these are not evidence pointing to some sort of creator. | Would you mind explaining why BB, DNA and IC are in your view evidence for that and I will explain to you where you went wrong. What all these analogies with the wife, justice system, love, friends ... have to do with the issue at hand? These are all different "systems" which should be treated separately because of their distinctiveness. "Why do atheists demand scientifically proven facts in the case of god?" Because people following various gods like you or Cliffe are using them in the fields of scientific facts and evidences. Didn't you just claim that you have a scientific evidence for the creator? You did! Isn't just appropriate to ask for that evidence? It is! That is why we demand it - because when you want to play with science, then please let's play with science and see this scientific evidence.
Nathillien The evidence for the big bang shows The Universe hasn't always existed, which means we had a beginning what caused this beginning?? All things that began to exist suddenly have a cause. The cause can't be something already within the universe because we know everything came into existence at the big bang science shows us this. So it has to be something which is timeless, spaceless and immaterial something before our universe existence, the Creator of the universe has to be outside His creation. "The DNA code is a computer program but far more advanced than anything we humans have ever seen" they are the word's of Bill Gates. All the evidence of complexity and design points towards intelligence being behind it never chance. Irreducible complexity shows us that things don't form in stages the living cell is one example, it need all it's part's all at once to work together. The probability of these things happening by chance is "blind faith" we have never seen it or evidence for it happening, we only only see design and complexity come from intelligence and not by chance. Everything we see we know it didn't just "pop" into existence from nothing without a cause so why would the universe?? we know that if something exists then something or someone caused it to exist. To believe in chance bringing about complexity and design and a whole universe with no original cause, goes against all evidence we have seen, and the mathematical odds of that happening are astonishing.
Again PLEASE debate me ...I'm an ex misinary turned bhuddist because I never took my eyes off Christ.... I will prove he was a bhuddist monk named issa and not the son of god...
@@boltrooktwo Dude just Google Jesus was a bhuddist monk own RU-vid and watch the official India govt.documentary and also the one that the black Englishman dose... Watch them and get back to me.
9:27 "You have to deal with reality" says the guy talking about an invisible all knowing all creating being of the universe. Why does anyone listen to this clown?
@@boltrooktwo This guy endlessly recycles the same arguments "Jesus is reliable!" as if that means something. He needs to come up with some new material for a change. None of his arguments push forward the idea that there is a god. Call me arrogant, I don't care. I'm asking for some actual proof that there is a god and not some passages from a book or nonsense from these college touring theists.
@@adisharr What proof do you have? You may want proof but nobody has proof for what the purpose of life is. There is only evidence and you choose what you put your faith in. You want to put your faith in university professors and what they tell you? Or is it secular scientists and their institutions? You have to be really gullible to believe that life came from non-life or in the scientific impossibility that everything came from nothing. They don’t have proof, they can’t tell you where to find peace in this life nor are they interested. They will tell you evolution has made you a wonderful evolved social creature, well how is that playing out in reality? Is everyone around you just evolved, smart, and good natured because the chemicals and atoms inside them decided for them that would be better? The curtain falls and what is revealed behind complex evolution is nothing and nothing can’t decide what is better or more evolved, it’s irrational.
@@boltrooktwo Your failure to understand how evolution provides infinitely more evidence than "a creator did it" is not my problem. Silly statements about curtains really says nothing. How do you debate with someone that doesn't recognize any of the evolution evidence? Evolution is a THEORY, not an absolute truth. We're constantly learning more about it as time passes. The Bible and creation stories are nothing but stories with nothing to back them up.
