Thank you for making a video that actually has a authentic test sample of leaf ping… I had no idea what some of these other videos were recording with their crappy audio setup.
Great review! I found the same issue with the leaf ping. I also found lubing the leaf fixed the issue 99% of the time. Instead of lubing the leaf where it makes contact with the slider, I lubed behind the leaf and this also worked well. I do recommend purchasing more switches than you need though, so you can cherry pick and not use any that are a bit stubborn in regards to the ping.
Hi SwitchDoctor, thank you for that advice! It is so interesting that lubing behind the leaf worked to eliminate the ping as well. I will definitely try that with the other batch I have remaining. I guess best of both worlds, no ping and max tactility!
@@Keybored Exactly! I used to think that the differences between different types of lubes were minimal (in other words thin is thin and thick is thick), but when you are talking about such small parts that are put under constant repetitive stress AND you really care about the specific sounds things make, there is definitely a difference!
@@brunobuendialegaz5421 hi Bruno! Typically, lubing the legs and the leaf does make the switch less tactile. However, the glorious panda is so tactile to start with, that I was perfectly fine with trading some tactility to eliminate the ping. Hope that helps!
I have a similar problem with my FL.cmmk switch (has halo stems basically) and me being new to modifying switches i thought it was spring ping. But after lubing everything I still had the same issue! I then noticed the one switch, where I lightly lubed the legs, had very little of this "squeak"! I couldn't find much info on this until I stumbled upon a reddit thread regarding leaf ping. You're right that once you hear it, you can't unhear it..
i don't know but there's something about glorious panda that i really like. i like its thock. other tactile switches have an annoying clack to it. these are also cheaper in my country because there are resellers. i don't mind modding or lubing these before using it.
I have the zealious v2 and the glorious panda and I have to say the panda are a bit higher pitched. They do sound nice, but I prefer the feel and the thocc of the zealious. Of course everything is up to personal taste, just my 2 ¢.
Im trying to identify leaf ping specifically but i cant really tell where the sound is, maybe im not having this issue with my switches. I found that lubing my boba u4s and holy bobas using the same rgb top but ofc a drop halo stem made for linear feeling non bump switches. The standard u4 less tactile and more linear feeling than the holy version. I will die on the hill of never lube the leaves front bumps. I did try lubing the back of the leaves tho like i saw once and it somehow seems to have an extremely miniscule difference in sound but it does seem to be kinda diff.
I put the glorious panda stem in the Zealios v2 housing and I recommend it if you have some lying around for a really nice feeling/sounding spacebar. I don't recommend the zealios v2 stem in the glorious panda housing though XD (it's mostly about a satisfying bottom out and return for me.
Interesting, did you only lube the leaf part that comes into contact with the stem legs (w/ krytox 205g0)? Or did you also lube the switch stem legs? I found that even lubing the leafs with 205g0 there still is a pinging/ticking noise. (Also I used krytox 205g0 for most of the switch lubing, like even the stem and sliders)
Hi tf2hion! I used 205g0 on the leaf only. The rest of the stem was lubed with 204. Another viewer commented that he had some success by placing a bit of 205 behind the leaf where it makes contact with the stem legs also. Essentially, it seems like what the issue is that when the stem "flicks" the leaf, it causes a reverberation and translates into a ping. The lube on the leaf is helping it to glide over that easier, and also adds some additional mass to keep that vibration down somewhat. Seems like some switches are more prone to this than others... batch issues.
@@Keybored Oh Thanks I will try lubing the back of the leaf as well! Also do you put a fair amount of krytox 205g0 on the leaf area? Im just a bit afraid it may break something if I lube the leaf to much (or even the back of the leaf). Thanks for the info! I will try lubing the back of the leaf to see if it helps it.
@@tf2hion I personally did not lube behind the leaf. I usually lube the leaf of linear switches with no problems for some time, so I did the same in attempt to fix the ping of the glorious. I put enough on there to look white. Hope that helps!
Thanks for the help with leaf ping! New to keebs and my switches had some sort of ping/noise after lubing so I figured it was the leaf. while I'm glad to have found this I'm also dissapointed that the fix is to lube the leaf, which reduces tactility. For my purposes and train of thought (as of right now) if I have to lube the leaf then it wasn't worth getting the switches that I have =(
Just got my 3 boxes of GP, and sadly the ping noise horrendous. Just ordered some krytox from the shop. Hopefully it will solve the issue. Thanks for the vid~
I choose to use theese switches for my first build. I heard about that leaf ping thing, and i see you have a solution/hack for it :D I thought its not a good idea to lube that part of the switch to avoid loosing tactility. Can you tell me the right amount of lube on this switch part? I am going to use Krytox 205 G0 for lubing the switches. Cool video ! :)
Hi D.K.! Usually I don't use 205 for tactile switches, but for the glorious pandas, it's an exception. Not sure what it is, but this switch pings like crazy, but as soon as you put some krytox 205, it goes away. However, you do lose some tactility, but for me it was worth it!
Typically for tactile switches, adding lube to the leaf takes away from the tactility. However, for this guy, it was one of the only ways to fix the ping :(
Hi Ramza! Honestly, the glorious pandas are so tactile to start with, that I didn't notice a big loss of tactility when I lubed the leaf. However it definitely helped with the ping, which was driving me crazy.
i got the glorious panda, in stock you can clearly hear the ping. But after lubbing it is gone. Dunno what i am doing different, but lubbing fixed it for me. btw. i did not lube the leaf :/
Hi Fun with Turtles! I believe some batches may be worse than others. I could not get this switch to be quiet without lubing the leaf a bit. I believe one other person commented that he lubed behind the leaf to quiet his. Glad yours worked out!
Just ordered these. Someone just told me about the leaf ping. My first build so I hope this works. I'm having a bit of buyers remorse, but I have no idea what I'm doing so :/
To a certain level yes... I don't use as much super tactiles switches anymore since I type waaaaaaay too much and it does hurt my joints certain days lol
some of my glorious pandas indeed have leaf pings, but i only have a thick lube, aka glorious g lube, should i still go ahead and lube it? i mean i dont wanna lose that nice tactility... thx in advance
im thinkin of mixing my glorious pandas and my gat yellow too make some kind of glorious yellow seems like a fun project and to get my own unique swtich.
Hi CuzTomized! I hear you! The first time I used the Glorious Panda was for someone else's build. It was stressful because all the switches were pinging like crazy and couldn't figure out what the problem was... tried like 5 different springs, different lubes, with film, no film, everything. Hopefully the fix helps you out also!
I was about to go mad because of the leaf ping, everything else is literally perfect as far as a holy panda goes but my god the leaf ping... in a few of the switches its so bad it can be felt
Yeah I agree! I lost some tactility doing this... but at the end of the day, I don't feel like ripping out my hair when using the switch so... I think I call that a win
@@Keybored i just saw this as i finished pulling out every switch in my board haha. I really find your videos helpful in general, keep up the good work
All the switches seem woobly AF compared to basic-ass cherry switches IMHO. At least from a manufacturing and craftsmanship standpoint, cherry are still the best - they still give a shit (a lot of shit even) about precise tolerances. I can accept the trade-off between tolerances and broader options for the likes of Gateron and Kailh switches, as they are much cheaper than the cherries, but the poor craftsmanship is harder to swallow when you are paying a massive premium on switches like the pandas.
All the cherry switches I have used are pretty bad tolerance TBH. I am typing on some cherry blacks right now and these are by no means tight compared to some of the newer molds out there actually. Cherry does have a distinctive sound tho that I do enjoy, and their housings are pretty unique in this area, so there is definitely merit there.
@@Keybored There's a difference between manufacturing tolerances and fit. Cherry haven't updated their designs much at all, so design wise are fairly outdated. The box switches etc definitely add stability compared to basic mx stems, but don't have as tight tolerances. Kalih for example has variable tolerances depending on switch part, which ranges from 0.02mm to 0.5mm on their spec charts. Cherry are at 0.01mm. This is completely moot if you don't like the actual feel of the switches (the looseness can feel "smoother" on linear switches) but like for like when it comes to the "basic" red/blue/browns, cherry are made to a higher standard.
i found it strange that you decided to lube the leaf. How did lubing that part affect the switches tactility? For ping, I would recommend using an oil free lube, like tribosys (krytox has oil), and lube the rails of the slider and housing, don't lube the legs or the leaf it will lose tactility. Please let me know if you have any thoughts about this.
Hi mytommy, thank you for watching the video, and your comments. As you have recommended, I typically only lube the stem rails and the housing rails with krytox 204 for tactiles, and the entire stem and housing rails with krytox 205 for linears. Then I bag lube the springs with krytox 105. Unfortunately with these switches, the ping would not go away with the standard lubing method. I have tried multiple other things in attempt, and strangely enough, the krytox 205g0 to the leaf where it contacts the stem was the only way to eliminate the ping. To your question about tactility, in my opinion, the glorious panda switches are so tactile to start with, the lube on the leaf "smoothed" out the bump a bit, but as you can hear from the typing test, still remained very tactile. At the end of the day, I believe it is a preferential thing, if you want to maximize the tactility and ping doesn't bother you much, you can avoid the leaf lubing. For myself, I'm more sensitive to sound, so I was willing to forego a bit of the tactility in order to eliminate the sound. Once I heard the ping, I couldn't "unhear" it anymore :) Will try Tribosys as a lube option next time as well!
Glorious Pandas are known for leaf ping. Normal lubing method does not get rid of the ping. You can go read the reviews on Glorious and you'll frequently see people mentioning the leaf ping.
The company who made these, "Glorious" actually had named these "Glorious Holy Panda" Then as most companies would do they went to file for a trademark (patent or copyright idk one of the three) The "Holy Panda" was a switch made from within the community so it hadn't been trademarked by any company. Many people felt it was a dick move to go and trademark a switch idea that you didn't actually create. Also another company was selling their version of the Holy Panda, Drop (Massdrop). Longer story short, they didn't keep the trademark, I believe they even tried to transfer it to the man who made the switch in the first place. They renamed these to just Glorious Panda dropping the holy and they also did a big reddit post explaining the situation.
Hi Relax, I have heard that as well! Glorious is using the same molds that we're used to make the holy pandas. I do have a bunch of halo stems. Should try that out to see how it changes.
