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GM V6: Timing Chains & Rich/Lean Codes - Part 2 

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Let's do one more test drive before calling the customer and giving them a detailed estimate for repairs.
Turns out this car can still be made to run decently well without breaking the bank :)
Enjoy!
Ivan

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@DIYDaveOK
@DIYDaveOK 3 года назад
Man I'm bummed!! I wanted to see a timing chain job!! 😁 Thanks Ivan
@crisprtalk6963
@crisprtalk6963 3 года назад
seen one timing chain seen em all! ha
@neilmurphy845
@neilmurphy845 3 года назад
@@crisprtalk6963 ya I've never seen it before I'd love to see what it takes to take a chain out
@account2s
@account2s 3 года назад
@@neilmurphy845 There are a few on RU-vid for this engine. The most complete I have seen was on a Traverse in vehicle. Search for Traverse Timing Chain replacement. It's a multi part video since it's a long long job.
@MrCupcakey1234
@MrCupcakey1234 3 года назад
I was kinda hoping to see a famous gm 3.6 liter timing chain replacement video. Would’ve made for some great content but I’m glad you saved your customer some money great job!
@deerhunter8533
@deerhunter8533 2 года назад
He does not do a lot of repair videos. This is mostly a diagnostics channel
@billyyoder8171
@billyyoder8171 3 года назад
Thank you Ivan. Good job again. Have a blessed and safe week to you and your family.
@stealthg35infiniti94
@stealthg35infiniti94 3 года назад
Very smart decision! Your talent has given the customer some good options.You have to know when to cut your losses. Like you said ,drive it a year or two more ,then dump it
@danmauney8394
@danmauney8394 3 года назад
I like your thoughts and insights, I wish you were my mechanic, thanks for this diagnoses
@loz11968
@loz11968 3 года назад
Nice job offering the customer a choice I bet they are glad they came to you for a second opinion.... Keep up the great work
@neilmurphy845
@neilmurphy845 3 года назад
If I was living in the United States I too would bring my car to Ivan or Eric O to get it fixed
@blackenigma1054
@blackenigma1054 3 года назад
I believe that is the same motor as the one in my 08’ Saturn vue ce..... good job and I like how you gave the customer options🏃🏿
@jimwhite5964
@jimwhite5964 3 года назад
Another great diagnostic video by the Russian Master! Congrats 🎉 on 90k subs Ivan...100k just around the corner! Thanks for your truly informative channel. Appreciate you sharing you talents!
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Thanks for your support, Jim!
@caduceus33
@caduceus33 3 года назад
What a great job, Ivan! Sniper rifle beats cannon all day long!
@davidw4969
@davidw4969 3 года назад
cant drive a vehicle in new york with a check engine light during inspection ! maybe in PA is ok! great content Ivan I have learned alot!!!! keep it coming
@roxanneabbott8424
@roxanneabbott8424 3 года назад
What an awesome study and result!!
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Thanks Roxanne! I was actually happy for the customer that they could still use the car and not break the bank :)
@billrimmer5596
@billrimmer5596 3 года назад
I don’t understand how u had the exhaust cam pegged so far off with the scope. Great vid as usual. U make us think. That is the sign of a good teacher.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
I wrongly assubed that the patterns would be identical B1 to B2...but now I have a good reference for the future ;)
@billrimmer5596
@billrimmer5596 3 года назад
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Thank u!! Have a great evening!! I always watch!! And try to learn👍
@jeremystone6613
@jeremystone6613 3 года назад
With the GM v6, Gm have software patches to reset chain stretch parameter. I am not sure about the Suzuki version but it would be worth looking to see if the software version in this car is the most recent as it may get rid of the engine light. Obviously this is a patch and you have to live with the poor performance issues and eventually it will deteriorate to the point where it will need to be replaced. As for cost of repairs, I always look at it as this is your cost of transportation and your choice is to fix it or replace it or walk or ride a bike or take public transport or pay more in operating costs and fuel and this is the customers choice. And if they don’t care about their environmental impact then we know which way they will go. To me maintaining a good second hand vehicle has less environmental damage than manufacturing a new car unless you go electric and your electricity supply is from a low emission source. It makes sense to fixit both economically and environmentally if the rest of the car is in good condition.
@michaelwitmer7536
@michaelwitmer7536 3 года назад
Thanks , I wasnt aware.
@weldingjunkie
@weldingjunkie 3 года назад
I’m with you Ivan there are instances where you do chains or bottom end items and 1 year later boom burns to the top end, used to always be like that on the older v6 etc
@karlbuttler
@karlbuttler 3 года назад
Hi Ivan, it's been a few years since keeping up with you, man that is such a drag when repairs are more than the vehicle's value, I have to admit I was a bit overwhelmed, with everything, but still fun to watch, have a good Thanksgiving........k
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Hey Karl! Glad to have you back :)
@SawmillerSmith
@SawmillerSmith 3 года назад
You saved the consumer a whole lot of money. I the oil was changed more offered the timing chain wouldn't of wore out as fast as it did.
@weldingjunkie
@weldingjunkie 3 года назад
Maybe, sometimes they just stretch depending on how it’s driven
@SawmillerSmith
@SawmillerSmith 3 года назад
@@weldingjunkie the chain is lubricated and cooled.and tensioned with oil. Low and dirty oil will not keep the chain cool and lubricated as well as clean oil would.
@InsideOfMyOwnMind
@InsideOfMyOwnMind 3 года назад
Don't comment from a phone kids. This is what happens.
@Cheepchipsable
@Cheepchipsable 3 года назад
Assuming the loose chain doesn't skip a link...
@kens97sto171
@kens97sto171 3 года назад
@@Cheepchipsable That depends on the design. It may be possible that even with a stretched chain there isn't sufficient slop for it to jump a tooth. Or it would start rattling first if there was enough slop. The 3.8 v6 in the KIA's had issues with the hydraulically operated tensioners failing and they would cause the chain to rattle at Cold startup... Sometimes it was not noticeable from inside the vehicle. It doesn't matter how badly they fail it cannot jump timing because there is insufficient extra chain for that to occur. Eventually the flopping chains wear out the plastic guide material and start grinding into the metal backing plate of those guides. That will be what kills the engine . Powderized metal being dumped into the oil eventually will cause main and rod bearing failure. But it takes a long long time for it to get to that point.
@MrBuddysAdventures
@MrBuddysAdventures 3 года назад
Nice. On many cars you can advance the base ignition timing in the PCM by a few degrees which can help with the late opening/closing valves from a stretched chain/belt as far as the ignition timing goes. Of course, that won't fix the valve timing i.e. crank's TDC vs. camshaft lobes but at higher RPMs it should theoretically make more power as the cylinders will fill up more completely.
@AP9311
@AP9311 3 года назад
Wow, that is totally different game plan!!! Just needed a o2 sensor!! That literally fixed the problem! Hopefully costumer will call you when the chains needs replacing soon! As in sure the state inspection and emissions is coming up soon. Great job!! Totally changed what i saw!!!
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Thanks Josh! Yeah this was a good compromise... We don't care about the CEL in Central PA, 😁
@AP9311
@AP9311 3 года назад
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics haha, lucky you!! We have to get our vehicles be emissions compliant. Or they'll revoke registrations.
@worsttintentions
@worsttintentions 3 года назад
Its nice to see a job explained so well to a customer. The shop I'm at would have quoted phasers, solenoids, guides, chains, tensioners, gasket set, oil, coolant, o2s, extra diag on the evap system and would have completely lost the job.
@michaelwitmer7536
@michaelwitmer7536 3 года назад
Thats corporate america, I hate it. Love being an indy now.
@zx8401ztv
@zx8401ztv 3 года назад
Well done ivan, it's usable again :-D Well for that cheap sensor fix, i would see how much it would cost to get the rest of the codes sorted. If the car only has a timing chain error then it's usable in any state :-D
@spelunkerd
@spelunkerd 3 года назад
Cool story, very logical decision tree, it's what I'd do if I didn't want to dive into it. Too bad for us, it would have been fun to follow along.
@Mickey_Bauer
@Mickey_Bauer 3 года назад
My new favorite channel, spasibo!
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Welcome to the show, Mickey!
@ronaldanderson9263
@ronaldanderson9263 3 года назад
Ivan, you deal properly with your customers.
@edwardautrey3671
@edwardautrey3671 3 года назад
02 sensor & oil change for me in a heartbeat!
@CRAZY_VIDS07
@CRAZY_VIDS07 3 года назад
YOUR THE ALWAYS DOING GREAT WORK 👍
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Thanks for the support Eduardo :)
@TheCrazy243
@TheCrazy243 3 года назад
Awesome work!!!! Make me happy! Was having bad day after loss of my coworker. I was gonna fix his car, Chrysler 300 but he’s gone.
@roxanneabbott8424
@roxanneabbott8424 3 года назад
Sorry for your loss, he didnt die of Covid did he?
@TheCrazy243
@TheCrazy243 3 года назад
@@roxanneabbott8424 No. Gun accident 😔.
@mikefoehr235
@mikefoehr235 3 года назад
Jesus
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Sorry to hear about that!
@stigonutube
@stigonutube 3 года назад
lot of money, let's kick the can down the road for a few years..Good Diagnosis Ivan as always.
@staind288
@staind288 3 года назад
Thought u were Steve lavimoniere with your comment. I had to look twice lol. He says that all the time
@stigonutube
@stigonutube 3 года назад
@@staind288 oh i see, i don't know who that is however it's quite a common saying well "kick the can down the road" in Australia and other English speaking Country's.
@DangerousSportsForSeniors
@DangerousSportsForSeniors 3 года назад
Very well done.
@theturtle2121
@theturtle2121 3 года назад
❤️ these videos
@howardiko7156
@howardiko7156 3 года назад
Another fantastic video. Which side is bank one and which is bank two? Maxed out rich or lean?
@VWWRENCHIE
@VWWRENCHIE 3 года назад
Ivan's collection of anti- seize packets now tops 500..lol😃😃
@canadatransistor
@canadatransistor 3 года назад
Hey Ivan great video (as always). A question for you though... in a situation like this I know you save data from pico, but do you make the user sign a waiver if the chain were to snap and catastrophe hits the engine? I mean, I'd hate to be on the hook for a 10hour job / engine swap. Anyways, I'd love to know how you handle this.
@SmittySmithsonite
@SmittySmithsonite 3 года назад
Nice find there! Good thing the customer went to you for a 2nd opinion! Saved them thousands I'd bet. o2 sensor ... or 10.1 hour timing chain job. Hmmm .. let me think about that ... 😂🤣😂
@themechanic6117
@themechanic6117 3 года назад
I dont blame the owner for taking that route , i would have winged a oxygen sensor at it first as well .
@neilmurphy845
@neilmurphy845 3 года назад
Ya And the bad o2 was probably making the engine runs like crap and tricking the computer into thinking it needed a chain the owner was very smart to bring it to iven
@rickcoleman8903
@rickcoleman8903 3 года назад
Dreaded 3.6 I have an 08 cts waiting for the dreaded timing chain.
@markferraro5250
@markferraro5250 3 года назад
thanks IVAN
@j.j.springer1099
@j.j.springer1099 3 года назад
Did that with my ranger! Bad reverse 2 years ago! Takes planning to drive! Park on street and run
@steveo782812
@steveo782812 3 года назад
Talk to one other guy before who had no reverse. Seems crazy to me but it makes sense. You just have to strategically park so you can always pull forward.
@zoidberg444
@zoidberg444 3 года назад
We had a Corolla where I work which had no reverse gear which worsened to no 3rd and 4th and I drove that thing on and off for years. It was perfectly doable. It was in remarkably good condition otherwise compared to the Vauxhall Astra we had which was on its 3rd gearbox and needed filling up with tap water for coolant most days. 😂
@mikefedele4521
@mikefedele4521 3 года назад
Agreed about the chain stretch ...if it runs good let it go 5-6 degrees out isn't the end of the world.
@Garth2011
@Garth2011 3 года назад
Good find and solution for the customer to decide on. This customer has a third option too. Sell the car and likely pay more bucks to replace it. Once they see that on the horizon, they would see the benefits of spending only $1,000 to $1,200 for a timing chain job and keep the car going. There is no bright future with avoiding complete repairs for most folks mainly because a good condition and mechanically sound older vehicle is the best financial mode for transportation etc. Once the existing vehicle says "I need $1,000 to fix me" it shouldn't be the basis for calling it a junker, unless its a rust bucket. I know that a replacement vehicle will exceed $2,000 easily or $300+ a month in car payments are much more than what this vehicle needs to run correctly and in some States, pass smog testing. Just my opinion...keep the car...fix it complete and know that problem won't appear again.
@billwasylenko1599
@billwasylenko1599 3 года назад
Gm sells a kit for that job. It includes the chains tensioners and all gaskets needed. I’ve used the gm kit a few times. It costs about $230. I’ve done a couple traverses. You just drop the sub frame out with the engine n trans attached of coarse. Install the chain set and bolt back up. Not too bad. About 10 hours. Is that the same procedure on the xl7? Probably. Actually the kit is $186.79 on rock auto. I’m sure you saw it. Must be the same kit. Rock auto is cheaper than the gm dealer. So yeah about $1800 once you get done with new dexcool, spark plugs bc the plenum will be off. Maybe a thermostat, possible water pump (upon inspection) and a belt. Could hit $2k easily. With all the “while ur in there” items.
@somerandomguy3868
@somerandomguy3868 3 года назад
I certainly understand it's an older vehicle, moneys tight get another 20-30k out of it, my only concern is the timing chain is indicating it needs to be replaced, so failure is not out of the question, I don't have enough experience with this engine to be confident it will be reliable, but it runs so maybe no big road trips and all is well
@Frank-pv1hp
@Frank-pv1hp 3 года назад
Hey Ivan. Take a look at B2S2. I never saw it go rich even on your WOT tests. The downstreams are useful to check on how the upstreams are working
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Yeah I think the B2S2 was also shot, maybe because it was overfueling like crazy for so long on B2 lol
@billyr9840
@billyr9840 3 года назад
Nice !
@mikechiodetti4482
@mikechiodetti4482 3 года назад
Maybe the timing chain replacement will become a necessity and the car will go to salvage. Nice diag and parts call.
@tgoodm1
@tgoodm1 3 года назад
The Verus returns...
@fieldsofomagh
@fieldsofomagh 3 года назад
Just wondering how long on a stretched chain ? There doesn't seem to be any chain rattle so its not as critical as I thought. The 02 sensor worked a treat. Hard to call it, chain or no chain ? However with the mil light on, a cert for emissions would not be a reality in my part of the woods.
@captainken6310
@captainken6310 3 года назад
Chains don’t stretch they wear out, I love your videos keep them up…✌🏻
@metoon3092
@metoon3092 3 года назад
You should get on the phone with Cloyes. Tell them that chains do not stretch; they say they do.
@2nickles647
@2nickles647 3 года назад
Obviously Cloyes has never seen the oblong wear on the pins that hold the links together.
@metoon3092
@metoon3092 3 года назад
@@2nickles647 Then it allows slack, enhanced longer length,...stretching perhaps. Lol
@alanhester9984
@alanhester9984 3 года назад
I have a 2008 Suzuki Grand Vitra only 60,000 miles, it sure has a lot of ticking noises from the engine in it, always has been " not a quiet engine". Often wondered why not as quiet as other cars I have owned but nothing has changed in the last 10 years guess I won't worry about it. Glad to see that it was a different engine than I have.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
What is the displacement?
@alanhester9984
@alanhester9984 3 года назад
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics My Suzuki is a 2.7 just hope it is a good engine.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
@@alanhester9984 so exact same V6 as my 2002 XL7! I agree it's a noisy engine lol. Synthetic oil every 5k miles is mandatory. The only Achilles heel is that pesky timing chain tensioner 😐
@sebczajna700
@sebczajna700 3 года назад
Good Job👍, but Im think an oil change + engine flush can make better for vvti system. Best regards from Poland
@luisbaez88
@luisbaez88 3 года назад
lucky costumer there. Las Vegas emission standards is fix it or junk it. The county of clark in nevada with money light on is a fail rightaway.
@4himsanctified
@4himsanctified 3 года назад
Wondering if I could do a good engine flush and oil change (car sat for 2+ years with little to no use) and clear out my P0366 (Camshaft Position Sensor B) and P0008 (Bank 1 Severity 2/3)? Thoughts? Engine runs smooth; don hear chain slop or extra noise. Just put new tires on the car too-doh. The chain was once already replaced by Suzuki.
@Raylude5
@Raylude5 3 года назад
Was wondering if you looked at cam actuator data on scanner before or after repairs..or after you cleared codes..to look at variances. Or does the correlation codes come back right away and cause data to become invalid to look at? Was just wondering if this could've helped in your diagnosis any.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Codes set immediately so data just stays at zero degrees
@seapeddler
@seapeddler 3 года назад
What about a container of Lucas Low Vis oil stabilizer to smooth it out?
@jamespn
@jamespn 3 года назад
You have more anti seize packets that most people have soy sauce or ketchup packets.
@jannepo
@jannepo 3 года назад
Finnish repair: Advance chain at crankshaft sprocket by one teeth and drive on without MIL and full power.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Very clever suggestion!
@apprenticefelix7740
@apprenticefelix7740 3 года назад
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics same
@caduceus33
@caduceus33 3 года назад
Wow, Finns and Ruski's have some great ideas!
@spin1275gt
@spin1275gt 3 года назад
Then you would screw up the timing on bank 1 also. Looks like only exhaust camshaft bank 2 jumped a teeth because the intake was almost the same as bank 1.
@jannepo
@jannepo 3 года назад
@@spin1275gt this is to Fix P0008 and P0009 Bank 1 and 2 out of time due stretched chain. If Bank 2 exhaust cam has jumped, that need to be fixed separately.
@jamesmays6826
@jamesmays6826 3 года назад
I'm not sure about that car but I know the 3.6 impala are very sensitive to just a slightly lower voltage I was getting all kinds of timing codes phasers codes the battery only had a 6 percent battery life left a new battery fixed all the codes and after 10 weeks no codes have come back so far
@weshawkins7165
@weshawkins7165 3 года назад
Which tool has the best graphing data in your opinion between the Launch and Autel?
@jonnycando
@jonnycando 3 года назад
I’m not terribly far away from State College and wander up to Southwestern PA fairly regular. I like to fix me own jalopies but should I get stumped I will come begging for service!
@nickv4073
@nickv4073 3 года назад
Guess it all depends on how much time is left on the inspection sticker. It won't pass In NY without being fixed first. .
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Good thing this isn't NY 🙂
@nickv4073
@nickv4073 3 года назад
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Sorry, I keep thinking you're in Staten Island from other videos..
@awaara24
@awaara24 2 года назад
I've heard people say timing chains don't stretch and that they "wear" however I'm confused in both scenarios because 1. if the timing chain is stretched, why doesn't the tensioner make up the slack and 2. if the timing chain is worn out, I would think that would just make a sloppy connection between the chain and the pegs on the cam and crank gears...still confused as to how exactly a worn out or stretched chain causes the timing issues....could you illustrate this?
@sergeyspirin4539
@sergeyspirin4539 3 года назад
Иван, привет! Капот на палке, как это по нашему 😁
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
;)
@mmichaeldonavon
@mmichaeldonavon 3 года назад
Ivan. How does this guy pass the Pa. inspection with the check engine light on? Also, he's using a "wooden prop" to hold up the hood! To damn cheap to put on, or have put on, those hood hydraulic props. Damn. :)
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
LOL in most counties outside of Philly and Pittsburgh PA doesn't care about the CEL :)
@beaviskornholio2754
@beaviskornholio2754 3 года назад
Also could you drive Long distance like 4 to 5 hundred mile trip the way the car is with just a new sensor
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Sure :)
@sanye7836
@sanye7836 3 года назад
Not necessarily the stretched chain, but more likely the chain guide is broken.
@THEDRAGONBOOSTER8
@THEDRAGONBOOSTER8 3 года назад
Nice..
@glennallen7129
@glennallen7129 3 года назад
Ivan, I think that the bank 2 Sensor 2 is going bad too. It stays below 500mv even with the gas pedal on the floor.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Yeah good eye. Replacing that one would be a waste of time and $ though lol
@michaelwitmer7536
@michaelwitmer7536 3 года назад
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics That fuel issue will return. Its actually caused by the compression diff. bank to bank. Cust. wont know cuz the engine light isnt fixed. Nice video anyway,
@geoepi321975
@geoepi321975 3 года назад
Ivan how much the nipodenso sensor costs?
@beaviskornholio2754
@beaviskornholio2754 3 года назад
Will it pass inspection in Pennsylvania with a check engine light on
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
In most counties yes.
@roadshowerun1770
@roadshowerun1770 3 года назад
I live in a state where a vehicle must pass an emission/smog test. I'm curious, will this car pass the test?
@Gizmo42Rodeo
@Gizmo42Rodeo 3 года назад
It would if it was in Colorado. They changed ours so even if the CEL was on it will still pass emissions as long as it passes the tailpipe and gas cap tests.
@adamtrombino106
@adamtrombino106 3 года назад
The honest thing to do is give the customer ALL of the options, the pitfalls, and quotes. They pay the bills, we just advise and fix it. Does it need chains? Sure. Does it need an O2? Yep as well. And it might need cats after that. It's their $. We do the best we can with what they decide.
@tomsawyer4776
@tomsawyer4776 3 года назад
Let me see if I can take this baby on a test drive and blow it up....if it don't blow up, I will work on it. ~ Ivan
@justincase3880
@justincase3880 3 года назад
Nice fall foliage ...
@mikefedele4521
@mikefedele4521 3 года назад
Motor out of a saturn vue fits and they are cheap. But all parts from the xl7 need to be swapped over.
@kevinhitchcock7062
@kevinhitchcock7062 3 года назад
Won’t pass inspection with most states that test emissions.
@Gilboy64
@Gilboy64 3 года назад
No emissions test in PA
@jeremyanthony9300
@jeremyanthony9300 3 года назад
@@Gilboy64 pa requires emissions testing. if it doesn't pass emissions, in doesn't pass inspection
@bradfaught1695
@bradfaught1695 3 года назад
Actually it's county by county in pa. Also the one that don't have emissions just have a visual inspection to make sure the emissions isn't tampered with.
@kevinhitchcock7062
@kevinhitchcock7062 3 года назад
In NY if the check engine light is on it won’t pass inspection.
@InsideOfMyOwnMind
@InsideOfMyOwnMind 3 года назад
@@kevinhitchcock7062 Same here in Commiefornia and of course you guys have us to thank for that. You're welcome.
@agmc4me
@agmc4me 3 года назад
Had me believing it jumped time yesterday. I'd say most people would just drive it.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Yeah the discrepancy between the two banks was due to massive over-fueling due to that sneaky O2 sensor lol
@trevorvanbremen4718
@trevorvanbremen4718 3 года назад
I haven't thought this fully through so pls don't shoot me too much... If the entire issue was solely due to chain stretch, then I would have expected (ball park) similar differences between bank1 and bank2. i.e. Since the intake cam base timing differs by around 5 degrees bank-to-bank, I would expect a (ballpark) similar difference on the exhaust cam base timing between the two banks However, the bank2 exhaust cam is significantly different to the bank1 exhaust cam... My prognosis would be more like: 1: The bank 2 exhaust cam has 'jumped' a tooth or 2, or 3 (which isn't uncommon on belts, but much less so on a chain). OR 2: The bank 2 exhaust cam was never installed at the correct timing in the first place. If this is an 'interference' motor (which I think it is), I'd be expecting a valve to be knocking on the crown of a piston in the not too distant future.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
I wrongly assumed that the patterns would match up B1 to B2, but that was not the case on Exhaust cam for B2. Everything is in time, but the chains are a bit stretched :)
@aleskyfinis1025
@aleskyfinis1025 3 года назад
I yes 👍
@scotthewitt6047
@scotthewitt6047 3 года назад
What about passing inspection with codes
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Not a problem in our county :)
@gillgetter3004
@gillgetter3004 3 года назад
Run it till it drops. Dependable is good enough on that old suv
@thomasdemarco617
@thomasdemarco617 3 года назад
If no emission test np
@jeremyanthony9300
@jeremyanthony9300 3 года назад
Does that car require pulling the motor to replace the timing chain?
@michaelwitmer7536
@michaelwitmer7536 3 года назад
It does make it easier, 2 hours of hard work and the body is out of the way, makes for an easier job. Just preference.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Not on this one.
@rafflesnh
@rafflesnh 3 года назад
I bet they sell it pronto to some unsuspecting dude/dudess! ;-)
@jamesbruno5896
@jamesbruno5896 3 года назад
Will it pass inspection with a MIL in PA?
@glennallen7129
@glennallen7129 3 года назад
Yes. But the evap code will fail for emission if the car is registered in an emission county.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Depends on the county....they don't care about it in Central PA
@jamesbruno5896
@jamesbruno5896 3 года назад
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics If the money light is on it's an automatic failure here in MA
@edwardbella3871
@edwardbella3871 3 года назад
I have a question, upstream and downstream 02 sensor. are they mechanically identical
@scientist100
@scientist100 3 года назад
Not usually, new cars like the toyotas, they call them AF sensors for the upstream and are more sensitive and fast reporting this the trims are faster and more efficient. Downstreams are normal O2 sensors.
@edwardbella3871
@edwardbella3871 3 года назад
@@scientist100 Thanks for your reply
@michaelwitmer7536
@michaelwitmer7536 3 года назад
@@edwardbella3871 some of the Jags actually use the rear o2s for fuel control, threw me for a loop.
@edwardbella3871
@edwardbella3871 3 года назад
@@michaelwitmer7536 Thanks for your reply
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
On this car they are both regular O2 sensors, but the pigtails may be different :)
@geoepi321975
@geoepi321975 3 года назад
The 3rd option is to convert it to a generator and sell the rest for parts
@paulalangelier9260
@paulalangelier9260 3 года назад
Wow!!! OK so I have a 2006 Jeep Commander hemi !!! I am a older/woman Had my three daughters unfortunately got a divorce and the jeep is the one thing I got and still drives wonderful when it’s working/ driving RIGHT ,,,LOL I’ve had my jeep forever It is a 2006 The top-of-the-line 5.7 hemi!!And,,, I do love it ! *Btw- It has been taken care ,,, I mean oil changes,,,Turn up the batteries top-of-the-line new radiator!! Also?? So,,,,??????? What I’m wondering Is........? Did you ever find out exactly how to fix,,, The issues on the Jeep commander problem because it’s exactly what I have going on ,,, as a matter fact and have had going on with my own jeep commander?? So,, Since that video I believe was like a year ago and wondering if you ever came up with a scenario on How to completely correct it?? your So I kno that you made that particular video Like a year ago,,, So unfortunately I just now watched it ,,, didn’t Kno u had made it before now,? You’re a super smart kid are you all anywhere near St. Louis Missouri?? We don’t KNOW anyone ELSE W/ your knowledge or maybe they just don’t want to ??? We are so tired of spending a fortune ,,, and then doing the same thing again should be a lemon clause there for these Commander’s?? I’d rather pay somebody to do it right the first time,, The knowledge that you have?? Please let me know if you found anything else that can fix this problem ??? also I’m having a problem just as of a couple days ago where I can’t drive it over 40 miles an hour??? And then it starts getting really hot on the temperature gage as well?!! Thank you so much for your help sincerely Paula
@paulalangelier9260
@paulalangelier9260 3 года назад
If you guys are anywhere near St. Louis Missouri My fiancé and I’m-myself can Either bring it to u?? Or u all can comecome here to fix it??? Ha ha wishful thinking:( Thank you so much I so appreciate your videos
@baxrok2.
@baxrok2. 3 года назад
I would have done the exact same thing. Perfect call Ivan. WeBuyAnyCar.com valued my car at $930, so no chains for me! lol
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
haha most of my cars are worth $100, but all 4 of them wouldn't hesitate to take cross-country ;)
@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP
@HUBBABUBBADOOPYDOOP 3 года назад
Is that a "Non-interference" engine?
@SawmillerSmith
@SawmillerSmith 3 года назад
No
@billziegmond4943
@billziegmond4943 3 года назад
Couldn't pass PA inspection in Allegheny County. Because of the CEL.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Yup good thing it's not in any of the high population counties. They got bigger problems... Like counting votes 🤣🤣
@billziegmond4943
@billziegmond4943 3 года назад
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I agree my friend. Makes me ashamed how much corruption going on here.
@mattcat231
@mattcat231 3 года назад
truth to that, i live in the mid mon valley (Washington county) but look out my window at Westmoreland county and Fayette county and Allegheny county is only an 8 minute drive. Too many ties here or I'd move to Bedford or Johnstown area
@billziegmond4943
@billziegmond4943 3 года назад
@@mattcat231 If I could get a job up in Ivan's area or Windber Sommerset area. I'd be out of here.
@engeneer_ru5827
@engeneer_ru5827 3 года назад
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Иван, "проблемы" с подсчетом голосов - это не выдумка русского телевизора? Это реально так?
@RJ-vb7gh
@RJ-vb7gh 3 года назад
Thanks for posting this video... I was pretty tired when I watched your prior video and I was convinced I missed something... On most VVT systems the computer sets the timing based on the oxygen sensor. Bad oxygen sensor means incorrect timing in my feeble sleep deprived mind. So I couldn't get why you didn't do the oxygen sensor first and then check the timing. It might have also been a good idea to check the cam and crank position sensors to make sure they were OK before confirming chain slop. I'm not familiar with that engine but some engines have tensioners that should take up the slop and the computer should be able to adjust for the error with the VVT and ignition timing. Just the rambles of the tired mind of a guy that started fixing cars back in the 1970's on 1960's cars... when women were liberated, men were confused and all real cars had over 420 cubic inches and 4 bbl carbs.
@kevin9c1
@kevin9c1 3 года назад
Lake Wobegon, ha. Also the O2 sensor has nothing to do with timing....
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Great comment, 👍🙂
@mike_svt93
@mike_svt93 3 года назад
And Rock n' Roll second to none...
@neilmurphy845
@neilmurphy845 3 года назад
That troublesome engine light would have you dumping thousands of Eures into a chain job only to find out that a 02 sensor broke could you do what you did to your suzuki were you twisted the cam sensor to trick the computer into thinking the timing is ok
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 года назад
Timing is not adjustable on the GM V6. On my 2002 Suzuki the chain is not overly stretched at 180k miles; just an occasional rattle :)
@neilmurphy845
@neilmurphy845 3 года назад
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics ow
@frugalprepper
@frugalprepper 3 года назад
Yeah, but Ivan, you don't get the pleasure of doing timing chains on it.
@kennethbode2017
@kennethbode2017 3 года назад
save your money and trade it in at year end
@31terikennedy
@31terikennedy 3 года назад
Yep, but what would cost to replace it? Repair it.
@mozpogson3639
@mozpogson3639 Год назад
Faulty MAF will do damage to the automatic transmission.
@chillybrit2334
@chillybrit2334 3 года назад
Predict it will now be driven until the chain(s) finally snap and the engine suicides - then off to the junkyard. If that's how the customer wants to play it, fair enough.
@markorlando4817
@markorlando4817 3 года назад
I think you’ve given the customer a false sense of security. The chain has stretched which means it should be replaced before it breaks and takes the whole engine out. Chains don’t always rattle, sometimes the tensioner just keeps taking up the slack until it either falls out or the chain brakes. All you’ve done is made them loose faith in a workshop that was right on the money.
@jdtractorman7445
@jdtractorman7445 3 года назад
I don't understand why GM has such trouble with their chains. I can't blame them totally because manufacturers are constantly looking for ways to reduce weight of a vehicle because of the EPA and emissions. I don't think I would skimp on the quality of the chains though just to make them light weight. Durability suffers because of it. That customer should get their headlamp lenses cleaned or polished, really hazy and yellow.
@michaelwitmer7536
@michaelwitmer7536 3 года назад
designed obsolescence, cars are designed with a fail by date much like the hour rating on a light bulb. Its a business class term.
@satamanschmidt3428
@satamanschmidt3428 3 года назад
Ivan, why are all of your customers broke? I thought State College was a pretty upscale neighborhood. I long for the day when your customer tells you: "I don't care what it cost just fix the damn thing."
@shopenz
@shopenz 3 года назад
Yea, best decision no doubt, but don't give guarantees to the customer. Otherwise will be your fault if anything happen. Don't trust on this new generation cars, they are unpredictable. Is not your fault that he drive car which cannot afford to handle. Anyway good view.
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