World Bank: 2022 report, South Africa is the most unequal society in the world with race being a determining factor... Inequality is really bad... Ms Madonsela you pleasantly suprised me in your opening statement... thank you for speaking truth.. we urgently need a racially equal society... You spoke like a true African mother, on touch with tue harsh realities of the marginalised, Africans in the main...
This is stupidity at its best...Thuli Madonsela was appointed by Zuma as a public protected, she investigated Zuma while she was the PP...she is the best PP ever after Democracy...hate her for exposing Corruption, informed citizens sees her as a person with integrity
It was supposed to happen in 1994, the referendum was never about a dictatorship but power sharing. Unfortunately money was the objective which allowed the ANC apartheids movement to start with apartheids policies. Our country moved backwards 30 years instead with disastrous results and consequences especially poverty, unemployment and slavery!!!🙈🙈🙈
Why are people so obsessive about getting into Orania? It's a little patch of land, and not a particularly desirable one, as far as I can gather. (Never been there myself, but that's what it looks like.) You can start your own community and exclude whoever you want. In fact we have plenty of places in SA that are tribal lands governed by traditional leaders, where others cannot own land. What's the big deal?
Sad learned leaders seen selfishly Betray their nation at DENTRIMENTS of poorest Vuka Mzansi Vuka fight evil sellouts claiming anticorrupt while present political corruption candidates looting country resources phatha sikhulule mkhonto kaZuma gwaza MKP gwaza uyawabona lamasela aseyatatazela
I respect Thuli Madonsela and she is a peronal hero of mine, but she seems very much on board with the ANC program of achieving social justice, and sees the DA approach as contrary to that. The ANC uses intervention after the fact without giving citizens what they really need: safety, health and education. You cannot ignore those things and then try to use race quotas to equalise society, because the basics are missing. How should racial inequality be corrected if previously disadvantaged communities are traumatised by crime, stunted by malnutrition and poorly educated? It's myopic and destructive to ignore the most important things and then expect to engineer society after all those failures. The harsh and unfortunate truth is that we cannot erase the last 30 years of ANC failures. At best all we can do is start to fix things now.
ANC messed up the country. They did not know how to govern hence they resorted to stealing. DA must supervise them,next elections,they kiss power goodbye. They don't care.
On color-blindness, a scholar points out : "The philosophy of colour blindness actually comes from the radical wing of the anti-slavery movement in the 19th century. The earliest mentions of colour blindness comes from attorney Wendell Phillips, who was the president of the American Anti-Slavery Society, and a man whose nickname was 'abolitions golden trumpet'. He believed in immediate full equality for Black Americans and in 1865, he called for the creation of a 'government colour-blind', by which he meant the permanent end of all laws that mention race. See Andrew Kull, The Colour-Blind Constitution (Harvard University Press, 1998) Black contemporaries such as attorney George Lewis Ruffin, America’s first black judge, wrote of Phillips ‘In the eyes of many colored people Mr Phillips was the one exceptional white American wholly color-blind and free from race prejudice’. See George Ruffin, ‘Introductory remarks’, in Archibald Grimké, A Eulogy on Wendell Phillips (Boston Press. of Rockwell and Churchill, 1884) p7. In the decades that followed, the idea of color-blindness propelled the fight against Jim Crow. Exhibit A: The 1896 Supreme Court case Plessy vs. Ferguson, in which the Court-outrageously-ruled 7 to 1 that “separate-but-equal” was constitutional. The lone dissent in Plessy, the lone flicker of hope, which was written by Justice John Marshall Harlan, features the immortal sentence: “Our constitution is color-blind, and neither knows nor tolerates classes among its citizens.” See Plessy v Ferguson at p559. Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote at p559 ‘The white race deems itself to be the dominant race in this country. And so it is, in prestige, in achievements, in education, in wealth and in power. So, I doubt not, it will continue to be for all time, if it remains true to its great heritage and holds fast to the principles of constitutional liberty. But in view of the Constitution, in the eye of the law, there is in this country no superior, dominant, ruling class of citizens. There is no caste here. Our Constitution is color-blind, and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens. In respect of civil rights, all citizens are equal before the law. The humblest is the peer of the most powerful. The law regards man as man, and takes no account of his surroundings or of his color when his civil rights as guaranteed by the supreme law of the land are involved. It is, therefore, to be regretted that this high tribunal, the final expositor of the fundamental law of the land, has reached the conclusion that it is competent for a State to regulate the enjoyment by citizens of their civil rights solely upon the basis of race’. Decades later, when NAACP lawyer Thurgood Marshall was battling segregation in the courts, an aide recalled that he considered the Plessy dissent his “bible” and would read aloud from it when he needed inspiration. “Our constitution is color-blind,” his favorite sentence, became the “basic creed” of the NAACP. See Tinsley Yarbrough, Judicial Enigma : The First Justice Harlan (Oxford University Press, 1995) Among the main goals of the Civil Rights Movement was the elimination of laws and policies that used the category of race in any way. In fact, that was the first demand made by the original March On Washington movement of the 1940s (which successfully pressured Franklin Roosevelt to integrate the defense industry). See Jessie Kindig, March On Washington Movement (blackpast, 2007) It was also the first argument made by the NAACP in their Brown vs. Board appellate brief. See Brown v Board of Education To paint colour-blindness as a reactionary or racist idea-rather than a key goal of the Civil Rights Movement-requires ignoring the historical record. With this in mind, one would naturally wonder whether eliminating race-based policies equals eliminating policies meant to reduce inequality. The scholar believes that this is not necessarily the case. Rather, this means that those redress policies should be executed based on socioeconomic class instead of race. Socioeconomics, he argues, gives a better picture of who needs help better than race. Even if statistics show that the socioeconomics across and within the different races is not the same, the question is how do you address that in a way that actually targets poverty the best. Firstly, socioeconomics, the scholar argues, is almost always a better proxy for targeting true disadvantage than race. If individuals were to be sorted from least privileged to most privileged, sorting them by income or wealth would get us closer to achieving the task than simply sorting them by race. As a consequence, this will disproportionately target non-whites because non-whites are disproportionately poor. But this does so in a way that is more inclusive of all of the poor, regardless of their race. Secondly, class-based policies tend to be more popular and less controversial because they don't penalize anyone for immutable biological traits. This is exactly what is entailed in policies like needs-based financial aid or earned income tax credits(or tax rebates in SA). These are policies that address inequality without anyone having to feel the sting of racial discrimination.” Notwithstanding the above, in the post-apartheid SAn context, we know that the laws and policies that expressly prohibited black participation in the economy have been done away with and that the state has implemented several measures to tackle the inequalities produced by those past race-based policies (although critics argue that many of these interventions have performed dismally). But considering the population growth, how the growing disadvantage and poverty overshadow the fruits of the state's interventions, and that studies on social mobility suggest that while inter-racial inequality is slowly narrowing (although still high), intra-racial inequality is slowly growing, one can't help but wonder whether it would be more appropriate to address SAs socioeconomic challenges based on socioeconomic class, income groups or net-worth without expressly considering race, or if colour-blindness has been distorted into a form of racism that specifically silences discussions about historical injustices and avoids acknowledging ongoing socioeconomic inequalities produced in large part by the past race-based policies. I’ll pause there.
fr 30 years we couldnt move from TRIANGLE to DIAMOND EVONOMY, bcos of GNU favouring YTs over blacks, Rich getting Richer, poor getting poorer🤷🏾♂️nd now we must continue with dis GNU, mind u, its not a NEW CONCEPT, Mme Thuli, weve been here before😮
"The right to equality includes the duty to redress inequality" "We are an unequal society which was designed so" "We need to start engaging each other about what does a racially equal society look like? " "You cannot build a society on the basis of social injustice" - Thuli Madonsela I must add that what Prof. Madonsela is suggesting requires us to be truly creative and courageous, the mentally and morally lazy simply won't have the energy for this work!
Exactly. And the comments show that many who watch the video are in the latter category. Prof Madonsela is clearly a highly intelligent person of high integrity. It is sad to see the comments here trying to pull her down with unfounded personal attacks. Why do people feel the need to do that whenever someone excels?
Thuli Madonsela kunjna today is bcos of you no Ramaphosa wakho . Uyazi Sisi awuke uhlehle nje kancane umele kude ngoba uxova izwa. Why uthule manje ngo Phala Phala and CR17. Isilima nje asingakuboni ukuthi uyasetsheziswa njengo Ramadolla wakho lona. Awunanembeza black woman yrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
She talks nonsense there is no substantive equality between someone who controls land and one who does not Land First. When people own and/or control land all other Rights naturally follow. Control land and you control everything.
What utter nonsense. There is a lot of under-utilised land in the hands of the government and in the tribal homelands. What people actually want is the successful businesses on our land, which were built up by means of clever thinking/knowledge and hard work through generations. How many of the farms which were bought by government and handed to "previously disadvantaged" farmers are still going concerns. What about the mines in the hands of Khulubuse Zuma and Zondwa Mandela, which were stripped and the machinery sold off?
Non racialism do not apply to white voters who only vote DA or VF PLUS,the same people who sees nothing wrong about DA MP Ronald Gouws racist comments.
Face the reality, whites is a MINORITY and NO minority will just give up their lifestyle and culture to associate with all other people that don't embrace their culture or grant them any form of self-determination.
Don't talk nonsense There are several white people who did put racism aside because it is not to the benefit of everybody If South Africa 🇿🇦 can't get to the point where skin colour don't count..... there will never be peace and harmony Don't be narrow minded and for one second think this country is only for a specific group....we all are citizens, born and grown up as South Africans The fighting continues because some people think they have the right to dominate others and it must be accepted
If speaking truth to power being a person of integrity..and standing up for what is right in the midst of a horde of detractors is being a puppet then I'm afraid your sense of morality is frighteningly skewed
We know why u and other imbecile hate her, is because she exposed the corrupt Zuma. She was appointed by him to investigate maladministration with public finance n expectations was She will exonerate him for spending R250 million in his private residence. She doesn't subscribe to the same stupidity that u subscribes to.
wake up Africans, They say inclusion and constitution, but exlude you from ORANIA, exclue your parties EFFand MK from GNU, exclude the party with majority votes in KZN from government
The EFF and MK have different agendas and they are not conducive to taking South Africa forward. The leader of the one has multiple corruption charges and the other has yet to answer to the VBS fraud.
What is this obsession with including oppressors in planning the future about? It is clear the oppressors do not want to change, they want to continue being who they are, they are no sorry, they are not willing to give up anything.
@@markriordan9010 The true Jesus of the Bible was on the side of the oppressed, the widows, the orphans and the marginalized, alongside salvation HE was very much concerned about injustice. Perhaps you believe in the fake capitalist jesus who was used to justify apartheid, slavery and exploitation, hence your having issues with my profile pic?
