@@HalfdanMonie-if2sn my foot how is he the goat. Lin dan has 2 Olympics , 5 world champion , 2 asean game champion, and a lot of group world champion. Victor is only on par with chen long in terms of achievement + he did not face lin dan and lcw at his era. Players this era sucks tbh
There is no "next" GOAT. Being the best in your generation doesn't make you the GOAT. It makes you the best to have ever grazed the court, GOAT= Greatest Of All Time. Viktor is definitely great but I wouldn't go as far as to say he is the best of all time. Maybe after his retirement then we can fully compare his achievements to other legendary players, right now, he still have plenty more titles to claim!
Imo the term "G.O.A.T." is kinda vague in badminton. Just because how fast badminton is evolving. From the perspective of titles, Lin Dan is the GOAT but tbh back then there wasn't really anyone that could challenge him aside from LCW because LD and LCW's era was pretty much an entirely new age of badminton. Nowadays, badminton is much more competitive than it used to be with more stronger players emerging from different countries. Especially for MD and MS categories. It's a completely different era of badminton now, and I honestly think people should take a closer look and analyze the games and the player's overall capabilities rather than just comparing titles. Viktor's current form is probably the best I've seen so far, but that's just my opinion.
@@tonp2917 Taufik and Gade was on the brink of retirement during most of LD & LCW's era. I didn't include Chen Long because he's a bit tricky to analyze, but I guess you're right, Chen Long deserves to be on the spot too.
@@antares2767 it’s not competitive at all where players who have the skills to be on top but compete with such high level of consistency. Compare the 2018-22 & 2005-12 era, how many players have reached at least 1 SF at Olympics or World Championships? For 2018-22 it’s 16 different guys out of 20 maximum while the number is 12 out of 32 for 2005-12. Who were Lin Dan’s biggest threats back then? LCW, Chen Long, Taufik, Gade, Chen Jin, Bao Chunlai…all were strong with high consistency that brought them into many finals & championships. And who are the players that are considered Axelsen’s biggest threats? Loh Kean Yew, Lee Zii Jia who are known for weak mental strength & lack of consistency. If this era were the same as Lin-Lee’s era, VA would have to face those two frequently for the titles.
I come into this comment section and see a lot of axelsen critics or some haters. Well first of all he will be the next GOAT and here the word 'next' is used because he has years left to add to his winning records and none of the current players are close to him in terms of that and at the end of his carrer if there is no issue he is sure to get closer to badminton GOATs. Second, yes this era is not so competitive such as LD, LCW or Taufik's times but if you think you can be the world number one, olympic champ, world champ, world tour champ, and win 7 bwf super series in a year with just loosing 3 matches easily even in this era then go on, do it yourself then. You must keep in mind that he has achieved so much despite being from Europe when the badminton world is mostly dominated by Asian countries.
I grew up watching the era of the 4 heavenly kings. I’m not sure if Axelson can reach GOAT status but at this point in time, Axelson is unbeatable by anyone consistently
@@danlagi. Gade is not kings to me. There are many players could beat him even on his prime. Even Viktor can beat him. I would say he can beat Taufik and Gade easily even at their prime or even close. LCW and LD, not close.
@@danlagi. Not necessary level and winning titles. Irreplaceable due to sheer style and benchmark as a badminton player. Even if he has more titles and major tournaments still irreplaceable. So he and other players should just be themselves and no need to compare with past legend players.
He is the goat Think about it when lin Dan was on his highest he had plenty competitors that could knock him down but Viktor is clearet the only best right now
@@malpma1150 Not really if you look at most of his opponents. Viktor style is all perfect play, strategic and very efficient yet consistency in his winning match. His opponents plays very well. The thing is current and past players are so vastly different.
@@mrgoatishere That could also just be, because there is none in hes league. And The only reason you had 3 legends back with LD was because none of them really was above the rest.
If he can keep his Olympic crown, he’ll be a goat. Yes this era isnt as competitive as it was between 2004 and 2012, but he’s still a dominant force that will go down in history for sure
He has been G.O.A.T. He won 2X world championship + gold olympic 2020! Remember, denmark is a small country but successfully finds a great player like axelsen
@@wimzswimz9843goat cause of 2 world championships and 1 Olympics gold? How bout 5 world championships 2 Olympic gold from Lin Dan. Lin also has 4 more all England’s then victor. Has completely a super grand slam(only player in history). Played in a far greater era has higher career win rate by a huge margin more time at world number 1 has 28-12 h2h against lcw(victor was 2-13 against lcw who was old) stop it victor is great he will never even come close to Lin Dan
Viktor is currently the best now but he can’t challenge for the GOAT status. In terms of titles he is far behind LD and LCW. Although Viktor has won the majors (Olympics, AE, WC) but who did he win it against? The level of MS right now is at an all time low. Let us not forget Viktor was the 2nd best in his generation behind Kento. He was lucky Kento got banned and then the car accident happened, and Viktor managed to win these majors. Before that, Viktor couldnt beat Kento at all (go check their H2H) record. Lindan won most of his majors against LCW though. LCW couldn’t win most majors cause of LD and then later prime CL. If prime LD, LCW, and CL were to play Viktor now, Im sure they would win most of the time cause they are too fast and their defence are good enough to take Viktor’s smashes. Not saying that Viktor can never beat them in their prime but just that he will lose most of the matches.
That goes to tennis too cuz novak djokovic won grand slam of australia open 2023 and gotten his world no. 1 back. Many people said weak era cuz federer retired, nadal is being out of form, carlos alcaraz is being injured, and all of ATP players aren't consistent
Ermmmm sorry not sure what you are talking about? Did u watch the Tokyo Olympic final where Axelsen destroyed CL?? Not sure what are you trying to prove here
people also need to understand that badminton is a completly different sport that it was 20 years ago, better equipment, new rules, the current Goat is still Lin Dan, but VA is close to being up there too (my opinion)
Hi guys, best way to contest the goat status is to use data. Lets discuss number of titles etc. Instead of subjective arguements. To be the singles GOAT, is to no doubt at least have two olympics golds at least then followed by the other tournament titles etc. Use this as the basis of discussion or risk toxic responses :)
If you're referring to other sports (football, swimming, baseball, basketball etc) GOAT it's meant to complete all the medal/ trophy in his/her career. Example Messi only one WC trophy becoming a GOAT because of He completed all the medals: Youth World Cup, Balon d'oor, Champions League Cup, La Liga Winner, Copa America...and so did Zidane, Cannavaro, Didier Deschamp, Maradona, Pele In badminton the player that completes all the trophy from Junior to senior not LinDan but Chen Long (LinDan miss an eye level cup/junior world champ). Chen Long then the real GOAT in badminton. If you said "The GOAT" at least 2 badminton Olympic gold medals and other prestigious trophy, not just Lindan then. There are also Fu Haifeng, Gao Ling, Kim Dong Moon, Zhang Nan, Zhao Yunlei, that received more than 2 Olympic gold medals, or Zhang ning, ge fei, gu Jun the same as Lindan that got 2 Olympic gold medals. But how about the player from 70s,60s,50s,40s era (no sudirman, WTC, junior WC, no world champs, no Olympics for badminton already) . Rudy Hartono 8x All England winner, Morten Frost Hansen 7x Danish Open winner, Betty Uber unbeatable in 5 years. How that they can't be a GOAT athletes?
@@viralvideo4451 yes but u brought up examples which was irrelevant to my comment aka non singles. It doesnt matter now. Most impt is when others debate, they shld do so with a quantitative approach. Im not here to debate with u whos the best. I dont care abt tt. I care abt how conversations are kept civil.
@@SiNNEi2 I'm just arguing with your standard "to be a singles goat, is to no doubt at least have 2 Olympics golds" OK, I challenged your standard then. Then I wrote all about great badminton athletes (single or double player) from the past (when BWF doesn't exist, IBF, and before WW2) until present and release all the data from BWF source it self. And compare it to others sport (Messi, zidane deschamp Pele maradona) as an example). So your GOAT standard is debatable then?! GOAT isn't 1 person but many persons came from an era that completes all the title, not just collecting 2 Olympic gold!
@@traytyler9951 Because Momota was extremely boring only defending until Axelsen ran out of energy. Post 2021 Axelsen would wipe the floor with the overrated Momota. Axelsen has better and more titles and he still isn't done.
1-14 h2h record was back in the past when Axelsen wasn’t in his prime. Prime Axelsen in 2022 destroyed momota 21-7 21-4, one of the most tragic losses in badminton ever.
Sorry, but despite his recent domination & the titles he achieved, he’s still behind Lin Dan, LCW, Chen Long, Momota, Taufik, Gade…Why? Because they played in such competitive time & their top rivals are much much more consistent. Imagine Axelsen’s era is the same as Lin-Lee’s era, what will it be? LKY, LZJ, SYQ would be in the SF frequently & VA will have to defeat them constantly for the titles. And based on what happened at their recent H2Hs, it would not be an easy route like CTC, ZJP or post-accident Momota. But if he can extend his records much more than any player in previous competitive eras, he’s no doubt one of the GOATs.
He is not a GOAT to me but if talking about current generation sure but for some reason am not impress similar with any other players. And by the way, he is better than Gade even in his prime and could even beat Taufik anytime even at his prime. But I would always pick Taufik any day and time due to style and dominance back in those days. Cant really compare as the game as changed so much especially point system and style. No amount of objective stats can prove otherwise.
LOL. The ONLY person who is ahead of Victor is LD. You said Momota? What a joke.I should've stopped reading there. I'll give you Chen Long because he is overlooked by many, but his resume is better than Chong Weis in terms of the big titles. Punishing Victor for other people not stepping up? Other than Lin Dan,LCW, and CL, that era was full of inconsistent top 4 - 20 players, but ppl forget because we had an ACTUAL rivalry. The top 4- 20 would not compete in this era. Maybe only Lee Hyun iL because he was like a robot. But people keep talking about that era as if there were OTHER great players, but their really wasnt.
@Nick tan Even without statistics, he isn't far behind Lin Dan and CL. Lee Chong Wei has no big achievements. Consistently losing to very tough opponents doesn't put you ahead of someone who actually achieved big in big tournies. Lcw was my idol when he was playing, but theirs no way I'm putting him ahead of Victor since he has 0 big tourney wins.
Search the h2h record he against lee and momota. And you know he would never be the goat. He is a great player but compared to previous great players he is too far behind.
2X world championship + gold olympic 2020 + plenty of SS titles + current world no. 1 = G.OA.T! Axelsen has been a legend player. In tennis, novak djokovic has been 36 years old this year but still won grand slam of australia open 2023 and has gotten his world no. 1 back starting from 374 weeks. I do know, today's chinese MS era is really weak, but it is all other players's fault for being inconsistent. That goes to tennis cuz when djokovic still plays, there is no room for young ATP players to grab grand slam title except carlos alcaraz. Many people also blame today's ATP era as a very weak era cuz federer had retired, nadal is being out of his form, carlos alcaraz is still being injured, other ATP players are really inconsistent. But, it can't be helped that djokovic's extraordinary performance deserves world no. 1 spot and he proves that! So, this is what i can comment maturely
Hello no. He's dominated years in the era of trash nobodies, when the only competition lost all motivation due to a near fatal car crash. 2005- 2013 Lin Dan and LCW stomp axelsen hard. He belongs in the category below for sure though.
@@HolgerDanske874 please update me after he plays any player as good as LCW at least 30 times and wins 20+ games. He'll never reach goat status due to weak competition. He's a great player no doubt but it's clear as day that he's not Upto the standard of peak LCW or LD regardless of how many titles he wins and how dominant he is in this crappy era
@@pk1342 But that is an entirely subjective opinion. The most objective criteria is to judge on merits and here Axelsen will surpass LCW. It is not Axelsen's fault there are no consistent rivals. I have no doubt he will be regarded better than LCW when his career is over but Lin Dan will still be called the GOAT.
@@HolgerDanske874 yes but plenty of objective evidence that even an old and tired lee Chong Wei was still beating him consistently age 35+ In addition to this his record against momota is also a black mark against his >LCW status. He got dominated. And no one is calling players like hidayat better than LCW despite the fact that they had WC titles when LCW doesn't. Axelsens already lost more matches in his career than both LD and LCW by the end of their careers. They are both subjectively and objectively better than axelsen and deluded people that never experienced watching both eras need to understand this. But sadly despite the fact that so many games are available to watch for free on RU-vid the recency bias is extremely strong.
Victor from 2023 onwards would have to win 1 Olympic gold 4 all England’s 3 world championships just to somewhat equal lin Dan and that not counting Thomas cups suridamn cups and others Lin is way ahead of in. 4 all England and 3 world championships are more than what he has currently won lmaoo he will never ever sniff Lin Dan stop it
sorry if I say this.... 120% of Axelsen is only 80% of Lin Dan Lee Chong Wei and Taufik Hidayat at their best prime performance...... exceltion is only on par with Momota and Peter Gade in their prime
@@nicktan4530 I know I was a big fan but he was most of the time losing in front of Lin Dan. In the history of sports you retain only winners in the big competitions unfortunately.
4 GOAT : LIN DAN TAUFIK LCW and now VIKTOR Peter Gade is just an ordinary player. He was put on that list just because he is white and white peopled needed representatives so European interested in Badminton.
People need to stop insisting that LD and LCW are better than VA. Guys wake the hell up- VA has already overtaken LCW in terms of achievements by a great mile (Olympic champ + 2 X world champ) VS LCW who’s biggest career achievement is basically the All England Title. Come on, LCW can’t even be compared to Viktor. Against LD, VA’s achievements are of course still lacking but no doubt he’s gonna overtake LD by the time he retires and keep in mind that NON-PRIME VA beat LD in 2016 Rio Olympic Bronze medal final & 2017 world champ final and has a 6-3 H2H against LD. So just imagine how badly PRIME VA will destroy LD. Come on guys, no point denying the reality, VA 2022 is the true GOAT of men singles badminton
