I like to imagine that in Age of Sigmar, Ulric's retired in Azyr and sits around like a grandfather, either shit-talking Sigmar for not getting out there and fighting Chaos hand-to-hand like a real warrior or screaming "THAT'S MY BOY" whenever Sigmar does anything good.
I like this too, but it would seem far more likely that Ulric just decided to not care about the world after the endtimes (writers didn't care about him)
"how are we going to deal with chaos?" big E: 1 billion word essay that basically sums down to "break into eldar webway" ulric/sigmar: mouse 1 + hammertime
😄...what indeed? My fellow disciple said famously in 1981 "we've nothing left but faith". I think that's because back then, just like now, price increases have taken everything else.
Morr is so cool. Morrslieb is called that because Morr is said to have destroyed one of the Chaos gates and thus created the dark moon, saving the world in the process.
@@letendreelliott8778he has several “Good” aspects in AOS. Bal-Nagash, the Black Child, is one of them. He’s a child formed of black mist who visits mothers and children on their deathbeds to grant them comfort before their passings. We meet him in soul wars when Nagash drops in on him to check his progress, and finds that he’s currently comforting an expectant mother who just gave birth, but is dying of the plague alongside her child. I choose to believe that Bal-Nagash, as the compassionate part of Nagash, granted the woman a few more precious seconds of life to hold her baby for the first, and last, time. You’d expect something like that from Sigmar, or Allarielle, but nah. Nagash is the one who holds the hand of the trembling elder as he draws his final breath, the one who embraces the weeping mother as the body of her child is laid to rest, the one who points the way to peace while other gods focus simply on their living acolytes.
Neat fact: in the Empire there’s some humans who worship Khaine. They do so mainly as assassins and they’re basically the Warhammer version of the Dark Brotherhood.
They do it under the same name or they have their own version like in Elder Scrolls? With the shared gods between the races having their own names and subtle and not so subtle differences depending of the POV of each race.
@@g.sergiusfidenas6650 There are some cases where the humans worship elf-like gods under different names. Mannan->Mathlann, Rhya->Isha, etc. but in Khaine’s case it’s the actual elven god. Now they do have some small differences in perception of him, but on the fundamental level it’s the same god.
I can just imagine that if Ulric and the other Old Gods did meet Grimnir while fighting daemons, it was probably by complete accident after Grimnir slayer leaped into a Bloodthirster right next to them and they just had a momentary pause to do the confused blinking gif at each other.
Humans be like "WE HAVE OUR OWN GODS!!!" and then have some of their oldest be called "Ishernos" This post was made by the Elven cult of Isha and Kurnous.
Ironically enough, the real life the elves didn't have their own pantheon until a while after 40k was created. So the elves actually copied the humans.
Look. Do I have to tell y'all to go read the ACOUP blog posts on ancient religion? (Not a 'read a book' putdown, either; they're written by a fantasy enjoying history PhD and can serve as very good primers for How To Magic In Historically-Inspired Fantasy. More people should read 'em, is what I'm saying.) Extended aside notwithstanding, as I understand it a certain degree of syncretism and cultural diffusion of pantheons is expected for cultures living in close proximity for extended periods.
There’s a blink and you’ll miss it reference to Morr in AoS. However, it’s as an aspect of Nagash called Nagash-Morr. So either Morr got eaten during the End Times as previously stated, or he actually made it to the Mortal Realms only to fall when Nagash was being himself… again. Either way, Nagash-Morr is described as studious, dutiful, and even somewhat fair as he catalogues and protects the dead. Which is probably the only time anyone in either setting said anything remotely nice about Nagash in any way, shape, or form. The reason I bring all this up is to prove what a cool guy Morr is/was. He was so level headed that he made even a relentless d-bag like Nagash chill the f out, even if only partially.
On the note of The Doom of Kavzar, in an AoS book, Skaven Battletome I think, the Tower of Kavzar is named dropped as where the Council of Thirteen meet.
It's also referenced in one of Thanquol's books where he talks about rumors that the great tower at the hearth of Skavenblight was actually made by humans and dwarfs, a rumor mostly considered heresy and slander, but Thanquol can see traces of their architecture in what little remains of it.
After watching the video about narrating skaven lore and The Doom of Kavzar, and seeing Skavenblight reeeeeallyup close in TW:WH 2 and 3, knowing that GW gives the last okay… the fact that the model of the Skaven capital had a screaming bell at the top of a very tall tower, alongside it’s a very dark swamp, made me head cannon that Skavenblight was Kavzar.
Ursun will be back in AOS one day and he shall prove the great beast he is You know what, he may be back already, there is already a bear like god-being called Ursricht venerated by some stormcast
It's funny that despite the fact Ulric's been around since the literal birth of Warhammer lore in 3e, the only time we got the Warrior Priest of Ulric as a Hero unit in the Empire Army was in 6e - first in White Dwarf in 2006, then in the Storm of Chaos book. I mean, okay, it wasn't the best Hero; it was literally the original 6e Warrior Priest of Sigmar with the prayers swapped out for prayers that can be used to "grant a unit Immune to Psychology", "grant a unit +d3 inches when charging", "do a S4 hit to all enemies in base contact with the priest" and "inflict a -1 to hit debuff on an enemy unit", which are of somewhat questionable utility compared to the Sigmarite priest's prayers, but they could have tried giving them some better prayers in 7e and 8e!
I always hold Morr close to my hearth. My very first character in Warhammer Fantasy RPG was his acolyte. His name was Gaori from one of characters form anime Slayers. I was a wierd kid. But now I'm Myrmidia's devouted simp.
It's insane how night and day gods are in Fantasy compared to 40K. Like, Fantasy asctually has rich lore, variety and complexity when it comes to it's deities and their followers, meanwhile 40K despite it's larger scale has legit next to nothing in comparison. Like, even the main 4 Chaos Gods have been stripped of much of their complexity and other attributes/charecterization when compared to their Fantasy counterparts (and the less it's told about the Eldar pantheon the better).
@DogseatDogs Makes more money ≠ Better quality/lore. By the same logic the Minions are a better movies than anything Miyazaki has ever made because it made way more in the box office. That logic is beyond flawed.
I like the old gods like Taal and Morr instead of all gods being chaos gods, emp or xenos gods I like how fantasy has whole pantheons for almost every faction allows me to scream MORRS SYCTHE CLAIMS YOU or SUFFER ULRICS WARTH BEAST
the children of Ulric also appear in the black plague trilogy in which they are depicted as cursed beings and are said to be enemies of the ulrician beliefs
I love Morr. In a lot of fiction, death gods are often depicted as malevolent entities, and Morr is just a neutral entity. Any work that shows Death or the personification of as neutral, or even benevolent and kind are great in my opinion, and I love the whole "guarding the dead" thing Morr's priests do.
The Cult of Taal did kick off the time of three emperors. And this may be my massive Taal Bias showing, but if GW pulled out Ottila and gave her a a bunch of Griffons I bet that she could eclipse Daenarys easily.
Ulric is so badass that his worshipper became a god and his worshiper's worshiper became the one of chaos' fiercest foes. Still, Ptra's worshipper is Settra, so its a fierce battle for the top spot.
i kinda like how fantasy has actual gods to worship compared to 40k. it gives more credence to the idea that the warp manifests both good and bad parts of sentient thought, with all these gods having a good and bad side to them, and of course chaos being the most extreme example of this. it makes more sense for chaos gods to exist when gods of positive emotions exist as well. in 40k i'm just always thinking "where are the chaos gods of positive emotion"
That last line basically gave me a concussion. Id say I hope you're proud of yourself, but I know you are... But besides that, love the video. Eagerly await the rest of this mini-series!
Luckily for us Morr lovers, he's one of the gods who are still present in age of sigmar! Morrda is a god of death worshipped by a big city of the mortal realms who's priests do rites that prevent corpses from being raised by necromancy. Sounds familiar?
I'd never ever feel bored whenever the gods in Warhammer fantasy were mentioned, in fact it was not as overwhelmed as 40k (cough *imperium, eldar and chaos* cough). because the gods in fantasy had their own jobs/specialty and had their own ways to interact.
@@MrManueldxalso the fact that due to the vast majority of religion is made of just bland factions(except Orks because you know they have the raddest headcanon for their gods and the necrons) Take the fact Big E was a dumbass and killed the competition for the chaos gods so they could simply tell you to join instead of giving a very good contract-deal detailing why and what you get worshipping them
@DogseatDogs I like how you take it so personally when a comment makes a comparison between WHF and 40K, and then go on a tangent. Might want to get that stick up your ass
The relationship between Ulric and Sigmar reminds me a bit of the relationship ship between Ra and Osiris/Horus where Ra was the first king of the gods but he retired to let the new kid on the block take over
It's funny how in Warhammer fantasy role play 2ed you can play as pries of Manann, and due to his changing personality, every time you break one of his commandments, you just roll the dice for new ones. You can choose out of like 11 commandments and the Manann just goes like "yea i dont care you swear on sea now, but i dare you not to release this fish".
Kind of a spoiler if you're looking to read the Back Plague books, but one of the Children of Ulric was a vital companion and (potentially a lover) for Mandred Skaven Slayer during the Skaven wars. They do show up in other places, but the cult of Ulric really doesn't like to admit they exist and have Ulrics favor.
19:20 a Warhammer Fantasy calendar video would be interesting, so we can learn more about what shit like Geheimnisnacht is. Sounds like an annual event. I'm interested.
I think Pancreas missed a bit of the nuance regarding Rhya. WFRP 4e says many scholars believe her worship is dying because she doesn't have great temples or holy books, and that "Her many cultists do nothing to contradict such talk". The message there isn't that her cult is dying or dead as those scholars believe, it's that she's a VERY popular goddess whose worship is out in the countless villages and farmsteads of the Empire and beyond, not the cities where the especially stuffy scholars who've never seen a peasant before write their theses. She's the goddess of several important spheres, one of them agriculture, and three quarters of the Empire are farmers. Her cult is enormous and very important, even without big temples or holy books, same as it's been for millennia. Three extra little fun facts about Rhya: 1. The Cult of Taal and Rhya as a single organisation only exists in the eastern Empire. Elsewhere, they're two separate cults. She's treated with utmost respect in the south, considered a rustic goddess revered in her place in the west, and her cult is present but more distant in the north, where it's harder to farm. 2. She officially sanctions gay people; one of her strictures is "Never judge whom another loves". Pretty cool of her there. Before the fourth edition of the RPG, there were real life people who thought she'd be homophobic because gay couples can't have kids, and then it turned out to be the opposite, accepting gay people is a core virtue. 3. Taal and Rhya are polyamorous. They're married and love each other very much, though many of Rhya's kids came from other gods.
Honestly I feel like the C’tan are kind of above gods due to them being a manifestation of a concept and their destruction can cause huge ripple effect that can harm the universe but I could be wrong.🐱
The fact that Taal and Rhya where once called “Ishernos” just flat out confirms that all the non-chaos gods outside of Sigmar, the ancestor gods, and maybe Ulric are just the elf gods with different names
Welcome to Estalia gentlemen. I will not lie, the chances of your survival are small. Some may even turn against your friends as living corpses, but you have my word that I will use my arcane gifts to ensure your bodies are given unto Morr's Garden. This is the greatest reward, more than even gold, for the fate of your soul is an eternal concern!
The Rhya vs Slaanesh rivalry of love vs pleasure has a good example in AoS too in one story where a Hedonites commander captured a Sylvaneth to try and turn her to his side as he cultivated her sisters into exotic fruit trees and wanted soulpods to grow his own army. When walking through his harems with her he asked if she was bothered by it and she no for as a creature of the Life Realm Sylvaneth approve of the acts of love creating birth & more life* However he said their acts won’t as they use magic to keep them sterile as children take away pleasure and Slaanesh’s followers only want to focus on the here and now. This puzzled her and had her say then it is simply a pointless act as you are people without legacies and no future or potential as that is the greatest gift of life vs pure pleasure. (He would later get his wish of “planting an army” but oohhh all the monkey paws curled on that wish. Don’t eat Sylvaneth fruit, your outhouses will become barracks) *Realm of Ghyran is big on it, even the landmasses multiply by having genders so they drift together and mate to birth new islands and floating landmasses.
Missed opportunity to play a bass-boosted version of Markus Kruber's *BY TAAL! FIGHT! KILL! DEATH!* with a prior warning only for viewers on screen and not the listeners. Such could've been the power of Nagash.
Maybe a quick rundown on the minor & regional gods of the empire in the next video? Katia, Bögenauer, Handrich... A lot are mentioned in wfrp 4e corerulebook and Archives III.
Yes, he should definetly do that, there are also more in a couple other wfrp 4e books, like the river god grandfather reik. Or the goddess katya; patron of bawds, lovers, amd the lonely. Fun fact about katya, her temples double as brothels in some areas of the reikland.
15:51 Funnily enough, this is a reference to the Rime of the Ancient Mariner, a late 18th-century major poem by Samuel Taylor Coleridge, which referenced the somewhat popular superstition of the time that Albatrosses were the souls of lost sailors, so killing them would bring bad luck, and popularized this niche superstition held inconsistently by sailors throughout history into popular culture, so it kind of is a genuine superstition held by medieval sailors.
Ulric was worthy of worship by Sigmar, so he's good enough for me too. Though the Dawi and Asur have mighty pantheons as well (and the Dawi are the best) But Lileath is the greatest troll of any universe. True queen shit, especially since Bretonnia sucks. But any God that stands against the big 4 are good in my book, even if their methods suck
One correction would be the Moor indeed does cruzades. He has a Knightly order dedicated to him. The Knights of Moor, that, you guessed it, hunt undead.
Sad that you didnt mention saltspite when talking about manann, you know the proclaimed daughter of the god(and given her swordfish legs and general fishyness at least somewhat blessed or something by him)
TWW 3 should give us the Cult of Ulric sub-faction... Winter Wolf Knights of Middenheim, Children of Ulric could fit as a ROR for Wolf-Kin due their rarity.
One of the coolest ideas from the old RPG campaign is the 'Sigmar Heresy'. That is a secret Ulrik cult that believe that Sigmar is not a God, but actually a daemon..
I mean to say that the C'tan aren't gods because they aren't warpbound is...I dunno. I feel like the qualifications for what a god is mostly based on age and power over reality. I don't think whether or not they have a connection to the Warp should be a determining factor. Because the Chaos Gods are tied to Immaterium, the C'tan the Materium, and then you have beings like The Emperor of Mankind or The Old Ones who influenced both. Which makes me wonder (especially with stuff like The Webway) if Realspace was actually a part of The Warp that became stabilized and began following strict, observable laws in order to stay that way. The C'tan through Necrontyr tech just found a way to bend those laws with their power.
I like to think that Morr is similar to Death from Discworld just going around and trying to fit into society while just being a downer the entire time
