Gods, Philosophy & Magic in 5e Dungeons & Dragons

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Is it a Game in a Game in a Game? What is the philosophy of D&D?
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@WebDM 6 лет назад

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@colemanscollard2207 6 лет назад

Guys, when I watch your show about DnD, I'm trying to RELAX!! Relax does not equal existential crisis. OML!!

@DonFranke 3 года назад

"We're not even high right now." "Yeah, not yet"

@lukecnat 6 лет назад

I love how this wasn't really a DnD video, it was just Philosophy video with two guys that play DnD.

@Neverfate 6 лет назад

Outtake at the start, intro at the end. Time is a flat circle

@benjaminrogers8875 6 лет назад

Neverfate Just like Earth.

@TheHarrisontemple 6 лет назад

Benjamin Rogers *NO.*

@benjaminrogers8875 6 лет назад

Supreme Grand Master Azrael Typical spherecuck.

@EviscerVIII 6 лет назад

Benjamin Rogers Troll level: journeyman.

@TheAlwaysPrepared 4 года назад

@Selarom Ogeid How much feet wide?

@chucktowski_ 6 лет назад

Jim I have a philosophy and theology degree I only use in DnD. Let's get a beer 😂

@eronan03 6 лет назад

Cheers. I'd drink and listen to that.

@cerickNY 6 лет назад

What do you use that degree for? Making lattes for Priests?

@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 6 лет назад

cerickNY its called training to become a deacon. To be a priest, you need to actually study philosophy.

@eronan03 6 лет назад

kwazooplayingguardsman careful, man. You are going to alienate the people you are trying to win to your side.

@kwazooplayingguardsman5615 6 лет назад

Yep. Just Eric Oh, I didn't know I was antagonizing someone, pardon then.

@alphaamino 4 года назад

"Everything has already been said, and we are more than 7,000 years of human thought too late" -Jean de la Bruyere, French moralist, 1675

@viorp6982 6 лет назад

15:38 As a chemistry student: They actually don't the atomar planetary model is kinda outdated.

@WorkingClassic 6 лет назад

“I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content." -Conan of Cimmeria

@jeremiahzempter1057 6 лет назад

Somebody got Jim Davis stoned? most interesting Web DM episode ive seen.

@andrewwestfall65 6 лет назад

If anyone is ever curious as to why atoms look like solar systems or galaxies like whatever, the simple answer is that they don't. The solar system model of atoms was thrown out long ago and it is know accepted that electron moves around in an irregular cloud shape. Galaxies tend to look black and white, and the images we see have had color added to help us parse what is going on, the color addition is the same they use for nueral scans because they only have so many colors. Just another segment of "The answer isn't nearly as cool as what you thought"

@jft4820 6 лет назад

I thank you for your input. I'm going to be honest though, that's really disappointing.

@quovadis6108 6 лет назад

Sounds like confining yourself to the partial data theoretical model isn't as cool as the subjective interpretation for the purpose of providing meaningful context. Did you ever wonder how it is that your body is potentially symmetrical but actually not?

@andrewwestfall65 6 лет назад

I actually think both are awe-inspiring in their own way, which is why I took time to look into it. I always assumed that the lack of symmetry was due to errors and environmental differences between sides

@TacDyne 6 лет назад

Asymmetry can be caused by something as simple as how your parents set you down to sleep as an infant. Keep sleeping on that one side and your head slopes toward that direction. As for the atom - galaxy thing goes, look in a microscope and you see a ball with little balls orbiting it. Look through a telescope and you see a ball with little balls orbiting it. They don't have to orbit the same, and not all solar systems, or galaxies, have the same orbit types. It disproves string theory, and that's all that matters. :)

@tstercula 6 лет назад

It's a bit misleading to say that we "add color" to images of galaxies. It's an anthropocentric idea that the visible color spectrum is the only range of "color." Different types of matter emit/reflect light in different parts of the EM spectrum, so we use different filters to see what our naked eyes can't see. In order to show the part of a cloud that is only visible to an x-ray detector, we give it color as we layer it on top of the image that we get when we use the visible spectrum (and combine that with other wavelengths and so on and so forth). Similarly, you can take the visible spectrum and chop it up even more. I could image a galaxy in the visible spectrum by taking three separate images of it: once with a blue filter, once with a red filter, and once with a green filter. On their own, these images will look neither like their respective colors nor like the actual galaxy. They will each highlight different parts of the galaxy, parts that emit/reflect strongly in their respective wavelengths. Then, when i combine them all, I get a representation of reality.

@tommyd2235 6 лет назад

Is that castle wall a DM screen? Could y'all do a show on DM screens?

@fredirecko 6 лет назад

That's awfully a short episode for a subject like philosophy. I demand more philosophy!

@DungeonDad 6 лет назад

That intro was beautiful. I'm not totally uncertain if I'm just be an NPC in a real douche-hog's campaign setting.

@gabrielchiselenco8778 6 лет назад

Ok then, Poland

@timeaesnyx 6 лет назад

Dungeon Dad there are days when I feel like the straight man in a farce.

@PartyWipeGames 6 лет назад

Zoom out to reveal Jim films the show in his boxers. 😆

@obidylan 6 лет назад

those are shorts friend

@eronan03 6 лет назад

boxers are just extremely casual shorts.

@Pandaemoni 6 лет назад

When they are lucky he wears *something* sown there.

@just_a_foxhound4682 6 лет назад

13:41" I wouldn't want to live in forgotten realms ,dragon's, demons.... " you forgot to mention the murder hobo's

@davisdalmanis3809 6 лет назад

Wild Magic sorcerer can have some strange magic consequences. Also Xanathar's guide to everything added demon summoning as a spell.

@Skyscraper125 6 лет назад

Xanathar's just added summoning across the board cause the original book lacked it so much. Not sure they made it out of the intention to make magic scary to use... A lot of that though, I feel, is up to the DM to mess with. You could make a setting where every time you cast a spell, you roll an Arcana check (or religion check for divine casters). That way your measly lvl 1 summoning ritual has a chance of summoning some pit fiend or w/e... slows the game down a little bit tho.

@davisdalmanis3809 6 лет назад

Crawford said that the focus of the new spells in Xanathar's was new interesting options in combat and world building ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QkU4hELM2Os.html

@johnathoncrines3198 6 лет назад

Also in that Old Black Magic unearthed arcana.

@thadeusfrancisco3403 6 лет назад

0:48 look at Jim's hand resting by his knee as the camera zooms out. Then read more: He got me too, the bastard.

@TerminallyNerdy 6 лет назад

"Its a very shitty simulation" - 2017 in a nutshell lol

@devingillen3480 6 лет назад

the kick is its not just 2017, its all the time

@ravennix1234 3 года назад

Coming from 2020 I can say that this comments have not aged poorly

@andrewkenny3544 3 года назад

@@ravennix1234 Coming from 2021 I agree

@TehJuiceBoks 6 лет назад

WebDM deserves more subs, considering the sub count of some of the other big D&D channels.

@davidkennedy9912 4 года назад

I've watched a lot of Web DM but goddamn I've never enjoyed Jim Davis' thoughts and personality more. All love to Mr. Pruitt, too.

@Gherstad 6 лет назад

BEST episode in a effing while. Not saying that your other vids are not good, it is just that this one was superb.

@WebDM 6 лет назад

+Nethird we agree!!

@Jay0hAych 4 года назад

I kinda love how fatalistic and grizzled and world-weary Jim Davis is in this one XD

@acousticnoisemachine 6 лет назад

Oh, that thumbnail is too funny. Love it.

@Banerixat 6 лет назад

You guys knocked it out of the park on this one. Easily my favourite episode to date.

@sundaydnd 6 лет назад

Jim Davis you are my hero

@drehmomentfpv4064 6 лет назад

What a brilliant and beautiful episode of WebDM, thank you!

@kyliepoe6231 6 лет назад

I somehow respect Jim Davis even more now.

@jimdavis141 6 лет назад

Thank you!

@kyliepoe6231 6 лет назад

Thank you guys for the show, and I just enjoy the way you think.

@jft4820 6 лет назад

He always struck me as having a certain wisdom, beyond just DnD experience and knowledge. Clearly he's got a curious mind, the way he references real world history and religion in really specific ways. Seems like he's read all kinds of shit. Not to mention the way he talks about dealing with people at the table, which is basically the same diplomatic way to deal with people in the workplace and stuff too.

@h-grid3137 6 лет назад

Wisdom is dungeon masters main stat

@karlnord1429 6 лет назад

Jim is hard boiled. Good stuff. Thankfully there are hard boiled people runnin' around.

@22thevoice22 6 лет назад

Just wanna say thanks. You provide me with tons of inspiration for my campaign and I've watched all of your videos. Happy holidays!

@jimdavis141 6 лет назад

Thanks! Glad to inspire!

@GamingBDGR 6 лет назад

Ive only recently started watching. But of all the episodes ive watched i have not ever wanted to sit down with you two and join in on the discussion more than i did on this episode.

@mtyler3047 6 лет назад

I coudl hear you guys go on for waaaay longer! Thanks for the hard work guys!!

@alexanderherrera4432 6 лет назад

I've been lagging on catching up on your videos, but man what an awesome topic to come back to.

@atlas_of_prescottia 6 лет назад

I hadn't heard of WebMD before last week. Your name makes so much more sense now.

@jonathanbabcock9177 4 года назад

Arguably one of my favourite episodes. Thanks guys!

@MrSteeTV 6 лет назад

Ah man, I could listen to you guys talk about this all day. This was great, thanks.

@TheScandinavien 6 лет назад

Instantly became my favorite episode of your channel.

@cryo4 6 лет назад

This is my favorite Web dM episode yet. I am building a setting, and this is great food for thought.

@RonOnTheWay 6 лет назад

This was the best video you guys have done.

@Canadian_Ry 6 лет назад

Thoroughly satisfying chat today.

@anthonynorman7545 6 лет назад

Best episode ever! I'm gonna dm my first game based on this.

@buxzw1945 4 года назад

16:00 - My mantra and advice to everyone. Jim gets it. The Wittgenstein and Rorty level of addressing the actual need (rather lack of need) made my day. If you ever need a player for a game full of philosophy, sign me up Jim Davis.

@crossthreaded6867 6 лет назад

Right from the thumbnail I knew this was gonna be good

@Mythrandil 6 лет назад

I always look forward to these videos coming out every Wednesday! Can you guys do a video on types of magic? Also Psionic damage as well.

@tatsu280 6 лет назад

That was some shit to think about at 8:20 in the morning on a Sunday. Love it.

@cryptomancer2927 6 лет назад

More videos like this! This was packed full of great ideas! Now I can't stop thinking....

@remingtonsloan8331 6 лет назад

What a couple of madlads. Excellent work.

@vesuvanprincess 6 лет назад

I could seriously listen to you two wax philosophical for several videos. This is my favorite episode.😁

@chrishall5440 6 лет назад

That was insanely great. Jim, I’m with you 100%.

@Diggsjp01 6 лет назад

You guys are awesome, btw I grew up a BIG run-DMC fan so I love the Run DnD shirt in other videos

@Phase4TheProphet 6 лет назад

Super glad I found this video; I'm thinking of running a campaign with an altered cosmology that keeps the idea of Mystra and the Weave. A recurring theme in fantasies is people rebelling against gods and killing them to escape their tyranny, especially within the last 30-40 years. I'm hoping to have my players slay Mystra at the end of the quest, then find out that without her to maintain the Weave the material world will be cut off from magic, which is necessary to maintain both life and the idea of a concrete reality. They then have to deal with the fact that they've doomed the world to slowly wither. This vid is giving me some good perspective preparing for that!

@lynnewelton6222 6 лет назад

I just have to say that I love your banter so much. I'm an American living in Japan and you guys are like my surrogate nerdy American friends. Thanks for making these videos!

@3percentmilk 6 лет назад

I highly recommend the book "NPC's by Drew Hayes. Deals heavily with these types of issues, and is also hilarious.

@BNRmatt 3 года назад

I would watch a whole video of Jim and Pruitt hotboxing the studio and talking philosophy.

@greylithwolf 4 года назад

My favorite thing about you guys is your sparing yet punctuating use of "fuck." It's like this big, long, philosophical conversation punctuated with a dose of real life using "fuck" as the tool. The juxtaposition is amazing and it's through that unintentionally effortless speech that tells me you guys are the ones I should be listening to about this game.

@kyubii972 6 лет назад

Fantastic show it was a shorter one but the quality of your conversation and topic was superb

@parapotato 6 лет назад

My group just started a Ravenloft campaign where I'm playing an Aasimar Paladin (Everything Wants to Kill Me!) so a deep discussion of religion/gods in D&D was actually timely, as my I'm having a hard time role-playing a character with such a deep seated connection to the gods. Thank you boys, your are awesome as usual.

@Daredhnu 6 лет назад

this episode didn't teach me anything useful, at all, but i was certainly entertained and that's enough for me, both of you are national treasures and your banter is wonderful to listen to.

@davidscott4919 4 года назад

Dudes ... This might be the best video you've put out. I love all the meta/reality bending biz. And yes. It matters. Or we wouldn't be talking about it :)

@glenfairen2996 4 года назад

It does my heart good to have you bring up the Gnostics. I am a prof at a university who played dnd since the 80s and Studies the so called “Gnostics.” :)

@renshank 6 лет назад

This was really good. Definitely agree on the origins of magic Jim posited here. I'm running a campaign around the just-post emergence of magic and how it is shaping society right now. It's been really fun so far. :)

@helixxharpell Год назад

This is why I love the concept of "the Weave" that Ed Greenwood came up with and Julia Martin penned as "THE WEAVE". It's all based on the Lay Line concept where there are lines of force that permeate the planet. I suggest Ed's video on magic & the Weave & how it works in Forgotten Realms. Interesting video guys! Thanks.

@GonnaDieNever 6 лет назад

Tempus is honestly the best war god depiction I've seen in any setting.

@Kanakadea 6 лет назад

Wow! Roy and the Carpet Store! I just watched a clip of it. Awesome!

@kyubii972 6 лет назад

Hype to watch this as always thanks for the content.

@crayvun2196 6 лет назад

Everything about this video was awesome.

@Matt_S104 6 лет назад

Yes they were filming. Great intro!

@IronShinsDicello 6 лет назад

Dnd is a very gnostic game. Great episode guys!

@Cyg_nus 6 лет назад

Loved this. Thanks. More DnD philosophy please

@Doom-gv8jt 5 лет назад

I love how frustrated Jim seems throughout this own.

@matthewboland5598 6 лет назад

Might now be my favorite Web DM episode. Combining my two favorite hobbies; fantasy and philosophy. Hilarious & thought provoking. Truth is found in Jesus, guys. I love y’alls faces in the Raphael painting by the way. Very creative.

@ericcadwell5193 6 лет назад

I'm an experienced gamer, and an experienced DM, and you've given me something new - something that I've never thought of before. The players are the Gods, the characters are their actors, and that, as a GM, I am the base material. I might describe the world as they know it, but ultimately they shape it. I may be mighty, but without them, I am without purpose.

@hardgay7537 6 лет назад

Brains in a jar in an illithid's laboratory? Dude, you HAVE to do that to a group at least once. Have 'em occasionally walk into an invisible wall (the limits of the illithid's simulation) and essentially have them lead the illithid to a magic artifact that let's him pillage a town. Then the next day he's put the brains back in the bodies and left the party naked in front of the all too familiar town where they get arrested for collusion with the illithid and they have to set things right.

@ConriDubhghail 6 лет назад

I like your comment, but I love your user name and adore your picture. You chose the perfect screenshot.

@stevenpereira8757 4 года назад

I just have to say that you guys have some of the best thumbnail pics for your videos lol

@WebDM 4 года назад

Thank you!! Our Producer Trav does great work!

@SaetiStrakur 6 лет назад

Hahaha this intro was gold! "Are you filming now"

@godqueenbidoof 6 лет назад

God this channel is making me want to play D&D again. Sucks that nobody's freakin answering to me on Roll20 though >.> great content can't get enough!

@robertc.9016 6 лет назад

*Insert SoCrates Bill and Ted refrence here*

@Beard4Charity 6 лет назад

whoa

@zacharyharwell351 6 лет назад

When a PC dies can I be the first to yell "You killed Ted you medieval dickweed!" ?

@vesuvanprincess 6 лет назад

Robert Chiccarine Like sand through the hour glass, so are the days of our lives.

@DaftMeat 6 лет назад

10:58 You're describing "Roy: A Life Well Lived" from Rick & Morty...

@samwilliams6820 6 лет назад

Man, these guys are great.

@donniejohnson7439 3 года назад

Tomorrow at my 48th birthday party I'm going to release my mega chronicle that was 7 months in the making resplendent with the most original take on a Homebrew mythology for celestial beings Seven gods based after the seven Catholic virtues reskinned over the usual cleric Spheres Many and great have been you two gentlemen's submissions to this channel and throughout this games construction you too were guiding forces for many things I have not tried in d&d My first game in 5e Been playing since the white box Mr Pruitt, Mr Davis I thank you both sincerely for putting my chronicle on the course this video was among many to help shape it

@WebDM 3 года назад

Happy birthday!!!! Thank you for the kind words

@SomeJustice19k 6 лет назад

'And that's how you get your mind blown' You guys are fucking great.

@WJWTAC 6 лет назад

Where did this come from? LOL. I love it. You guys are the best.

@Primus011 5 лет назад

When you guys talk about "the refinement of magic" and how it would take years of tuning to make a dork like in the book, I just thought of an anime called Akashic records of a magical instructor. The anime goes into how a regular mage can cast a basic spell that they're taught, but a real master can change the way they cast the spell in order to change things like it's power, range, behavior, and even make a simple line spell turn a corner. It's really interesting!

@nicolassagrillo1442 6 лет назад

Im really glad they mentioned the gnostic approach to the divine

@marktownsend2198 6 лет назад

I'd love to hear more about this one-shot at the point of creation. That sounds super interesting.

@jimdavis141 6 лет назад

It was a whole campaign! The last 3.x/PF game I ran. Everyone in the party played a unique race/class combo that embodied some idea or concept: The Gnome (Fey creatures, domesticity), The Werewolf (Predators, the Hunt), The Unicorn (Wild animals, Nobility of nature), Death (uh....death), The Master (Magic). The campaign world was mutable so we kept track of concepts the party introduced into the world (Ex: the gnome invented agriculture and cooking) and they traveled the land aiding the newly sentient beings of Creation. The big bad was a time traveling demoness who sought to return to the beginning of time to dominate the world.

@MediumDon 5 лет назад

As much as I love hearing these two talking about D&D, I'd love a podcast where they just talk about philosophy

@CarronBarboza 4 года назад

I like how the camera man did an outro so we all were aware Jim Davis is doing this in his boxers.

@timothyheimbach3260 6 лет назад

i love the "are we filming now?" moments of the beginings

@Bryon1187 6 лет назад

Simulation is what sold me on DnD when I was first introduced to AD&D back in 1978.

@joelaurora16 6 лет назад

This is an awesome video

@mohamadameen94 6 лет назад

I miss these so much

@SDTCG 6 лет назад

In the campaign I'm running the cosmology is very similar to the one you described. The universe happened, then creatures, then they created the deities out of beliefs, superstition, etc.

@ChuckMordock 6 лет назад

I think this is my favorite video

@gorter23 6 лет назад

again, i have flashbacks to X-Files season 6, episode 21 Field Trip and also some memories of my philosophy classes back in the day

@Jjk82486 6 лет назад

I feel like I want to go through and listen to each assertion you guys make in this video and expound on it. That said, the earliest recorded point (of which I am aware) when someone said, "There's nothing original left to create/think/etc." Is the Hebrew King Solomon, c. 450-180 BCE; in the Book of Ecclesiastes, Chapter 1, Verses 9-11: "What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun. Is there a thing of which it is said, “See, this is new”? It has been already in the ages before us. There is no remembrance of former things, nor will there be any remembrance of later things yet to be among those who come after. Though, much like you, if he is saying there's nothing new under the sun, he probably acknowledges that that thought itself is not new....so...you guys rock, and I enjoy your vids, that's all I'm saying. :)

@matthewboland5598 6 лет назад

Joshua Kammert, well said. I was about to make the same observation.

@Ahrtemis87 5 лет назад

Hands down best episode

@nono-ch8oy 5 лет назад

I love Jim's reaction to the simulation. "Get some cheats up in this bitch."

@pakidara2000 6 лет назад

I'd like to request a one-off episode comparing various RPGs like DnD, GURPS, Pathfinder, Call of Cthulhu, Vampire: Mascarade, Hunter, etc. . .

@benstannard3574 6 лет назад

I’m impressed with Jim’s knowledge of Philosophy. You should all check out some Descartes!

@Visogoth03 6 лет назад

Gold...pure gold

@a7699aaa 6 лет назад

For Jonathan Pruit: atoms don't actually look like solar systems as you say: that was before quantum field theory. The electron doesn't actually move around, instead, it's in a superposition, similar (but not exactly identical) to the Blink Dog from D&D Monster Manual. Also, we do know that the electron, as well as the other particles, don't actually have mass of their own, but instead they gain mass by interacting with the Higgs field, which in a certain sense is similar to the Weave of Mystra of Forgotten Realms.

@PlatinumP14 6 лет назад

This episode was trippy i like it

@HollowGolem 2 года назад

Based on the simulation talk at the beginning, there will definitely be people in every D&D setting I run from now on who believe they are in a simulation.