Gohan vs Invincible | Totally Unfair? 

Gohan would go on a cheek clapping spree in the Invincible verse

Gohan actually learned a fighting style. The kid from Invincible is just really strong.

Bro is hard low balling Gohan and Mark is still losing 💀

That's like putting a pistol against a nuke.

Whoever came up with the Gohan vs. Invincible match set-up Mark big time 🤣 I just keep imagining 5 years old Gohan doing what Omni-Man did to the entire Flaxan population to the "Invincible" verse 💀

The only Dragon Ball vs Invincible match-up that I like is Bardock vs Omni-Man but what you stated in this video applies to that battle. Bardock is stronger and more durable, Omni-Man is faster, and Omni-Man's body breaks the moment he tries to hit Bardock despite Bardock not being able to keep up with him.

I like that you pointed out flying speed being different from fighting speed. I think this is something that death battle doesn't take into consideration. It is a very different thing to move from point A to point B than to utilize that same speed in a fight that would involve chaotic and unpredictable motions.

Planet Buster vs. Multiversal Beast. Fairest MU in history

For future reference, the Virgo supercluster is not the same as the Virgo cluster, the milky way is contained within the Virgo supercluster, so for that point, Omniman could have travelled to any planet nearby and called it a day. So the 3 Billion x FTL number wouldn't be correct.

In reality Gohan would just beg him not to fight him even though he’s stronger and it would probably work. One thing I don’t think was considered was how timid Gohan was as a child, even after training and so he was prone to more rash decisions, and only when he was angry enough to fight. If it was at any point when he still had his tail there’s a slim possibility Mark could have eventually figured out it was his weakness assuming for some reason he would continue trying to beat up a small, scared child.

Even ignoring the power scale difference and putting them on even footing in power, Gohan is a better fighter, he's so much more trained in superhuman combat and martial arts than poor Mark it feels unfair.

There's quite literally not a single character in the entirety of the Invinciverse that can even begin to fight or phase Gohan with the sole exception of Atom Eve with her "no powers on organics" limiter removed since she can control matter. But the entire Viltrumite race could come at Gohan, even the entire race before they culled themselves, and they would still get clapped hard.

Yeah, this is an all-around loss for Mark. Like if the only version of Gohan he can beat is before and maybe a little bit after Piccolo's training then is that really a satisfying victory? Mark essentially has to beat him either when he's a baby (not technically but you know what I mean) or when he's just finished training with Piccolo where he lacky any battle experience. It just makes Mark look bad for A, beating up a toddler and B, the fact he can only beat him when he's a toddler.

even when gohan is drastically lowballed, mark can't scratch him

one thing to add to the travel speed/combat speed debate is that: SPEED IS NOT THE SAME AS ACCELERATION! if you want to travel through empty space as fast as you can, what you want to do is accelerate the first half of the journey and deaccelerate the second half. in a battle you only have at most a couple of seconds to do this. so unless their superpowers include gaining momentum without force then yes travel speed and combat speed are very different

Mans couldn’t take his own race in a 1v1 much less a saiyan with THAT natural talent.

If they were in the dbz fighters game, where they were both nerfed to be somewhat "equal", that'd be an interesting fight for sure. I'd still be inclined to say gohan would win cause of his martial arts training and the feats in db are kinda broken 😅 should be a cool throw down nonetheless.

The durability thing is the biggest issue for me when it comes to Invincible vs anybody, ever since i saw the comic where all those aliens just rush Mark and hit him like a human hitting the ground at terminal velocity. Crazy stuff

I mean just how I equate it. Invincible, until potentially his epilogue adult self, could not destroy a planet. Maybe at the stage he killed Thrag you could argue it but I doubt it. Let’s highball and say he could do it, maybe without even too too much difficulty. Beast Gohan is supposed to scale with and even surpass Goku’s MUI at the time. At least in raw power. Goku at the START of super when he first got SSG, was unbelievably weaker then he is when I’m referring. And was alresdy threatening the universe with the aftershocks of punch collisions. Goku is easily universal to multiversal at this point I’d recon. Putting Gohan right up at the higher figured of that. So someone who can possibly destroy multiple universes through raw power. Versus someone who can destroy planets on his higher figures. Hmmm. Wonder who it goes to.

Is nobody going to talk about how this is a literal murder or massacere because Beast Gohan (power scaling works here) can destroy a part of a universe by flicking his finger and wanting too and this is the case because first form frieza can easily destroy a planet with a bit of his energy.

Gohan clapping a whole verse at 5 years old 💀

I’m pretty sure no one was actually wondering who would win right? Like, seeing what version of Gohan is weak enough to lose to the closest degree is interesting, but seriously no one was actually wondering if anyone in invincible could actually beat current Gohan right? I mean, SSJ Blue Goku could fight in frozen time, SSJ God Goku with no experience almost destroyed 3 near infinite realms by clashing punches with Beerus, no one was actually wondering if Invincible could beat someone who scales to that right?

The plant that conquest Nolan mark and other guy survived a Star level attack so mark in strength is around 19.5 times as earth but still gohan slams

I think what’s understated in a lot of these character comparison vids especially comparing comics vs manga is manga characters on average know an actual martial art. Obviously fictional stories are different but irl technique can play a lot into beating someone even someone physically stronger.

The 3 billion times the speed of light feat gets more silly the more you seem to use it as the only way Mark has a chance. Omni-man going as far as 65 million light years to another galaxy cluster is impressive, but it's not as impressive when you account for him building up speed after hours and days of travel. Viltrumites can achieve faster than light speeds, but only if they build up speed over an extended journey, and apparently they can eventually achieve mindnumbing speeds over a week, but then he'd need to slow himself down which is also impressive at such speeds. My assumption based on some info and based on how Omni-man and other Viltrumites fight is that they do have very impressive reaction times, and can fight and move faster than the human eye can follow, but for the same reason Omni-man has to take minutes to travel around Earth to different spots, going near the speed of light near any planet with his mass would destroy everything nearby, especially in atmosphere. I don't think for a second that Omni-man or any viltrumite can go from 0 to 3 billion times the speed of light in combat, that's silly. I think they can achieve faster than sound speeds in an instant as it has been shown, and they can approach half or more of the speed of light in atmosphere, so that's a more realistic combat speed gauge, it ruins the fight you're trying to potray by leaning on the "Mark might just blitz Gohan." I think they're actually very comparable up until after the Saiyan Saga, but even then Gohan has the advantage in terms of using Ki blasts, and even at a surpressed level he's more powerful than Mark. Mark is limited by physical attacks and his own durability, Gohan has every advantage he has but he is just simply capable of outputting more raw energy in the form of physical attacks, plus ki blasts that multiply your max capacity of Ki by around 2x or more if you charge them. If Piccolo could destroy the moon, utterly vaporizing it with an attack he didn't even charge, you can bet that someone like Radditz could probably destroy the Earth if he charged a technique. 10,000 as a requirement to destroy a planet the size of Earth is not right to me, but narratively I don't care much for those inconsistencies since it's not much of a focus, the jump from city level to planet level happens so quickly that everyone can do it by the Saiyan Saga if they actually tried and practiced for some. When it comes down to it, it's shwon your reaction times and reflexes depend on your power level as well, as soon as Gohan was over 500-1000 in power level, he would then be able to react to Mark, and would be more powerful. Now would he be able to use his strength to 100%, I don't think so most of the time he'd struggle and Mark might hit him a good deal of times, he'd also hurt him more than likely since when you're caught off guard and aren't charged up to near 100%, you are susceptible to damage from weaker fighters, some even as weak as your 20% power.

Goku was able to do universe level speed feats in minutes not weeks at just SSJ3.

I like to think that the way flight works in Invincible is somewhat based on gravity, resistance, and acceleration. Like maybe it's harder to fly while near a gravity well, so you can't fly as fast. Plus, on a planet with an atmosphere, there'd be air resistance slowing you down, so it might get too much for some faster flight, ESPECIALLY if they dien't want to just destroy LITERALLY EVERYTHING around themselves as they flew. Also, it's possible that Omniman was CONSTANTLY accelerating for a while which allowed him to have enough time to REACH those potential 3 billion+ ftl speeds. Bet he wasn't instantly 3 billion+ ftl the second he left the Earth's atmosphere.

Mark out here losing to a 5 year old 💀

Wouldn't it be more fair to put Yamcha up for the challenge?

In space you can just keep compounding momentum while flying in a straight line. Its like when you go ice scating you could get really fast if you had a long enough stretch. Good luck trying to fight while doing that though. It's weard that we assume these super powered beings can just go their maximum speed instantaneously when we know that isn't how momentum works. No matter how powerful their movement abilities are the laws of momentum still apply.

Now I want to see a 5 year old Gohan being put in the Invincible verse with how their fights happen since they're more bloody and gruesome. Just imagine a 5 year old kid absolutely shredding people up covered in blood 💀

Like your vids man its refreshing to find an interesting channel.

It's all fun and games until Gohan starts screaming loud enough to break the ground and to start inversing gravity of the ground around him

9:00 Apparently this is why Spider-Man takes people's punches, but softens them up reacting to the blow, sonthey don't break their hands. But this is like a single panel explaining his havits dealing with regular crooks. Anyway nice video.

Db power scaling got broken as soon as veggeta showed up and had already destroyed a planet

A topic I was hoping you could cover is how strong would a saiyan-viltrumite hybrid would be

The "10k to planet bust" claim is pretty consistent with Roshi blowing up the moon, so I'd say it checks out.

Mark can't beat *any* Gohan, not even baby Gohan. He'd cry super hard and send Mark to the Deadzone.

The problem with invincibles speed feats is that it's shown that they need to accelerate to reach massive speeds as shown with Nolan while he was in the flaxan dimension. Also Nolan couldn't hit Cecil while he was telaporting which he needs a outside force to teleport, so it's not Instantaneous.

I think only frieza and goku get that fast in the namek arc if you scale them off of the spaceships for the reason being king kai could react and see goku traveling in it but when goku was super saiyan he couldn't even sense his movements

Remember, Roshi destroyed the Moon back in early Dragon Ball into just dust.

I think Invincible's attack potency is planetary plus, but he can't destroy a planet because his fists aren't big enough. Its like saying a sword is more powerful than a bullet only because it can "destroy" a larger surface area. Teen and Adult Gohan murder Invincible though.

Great video!

Thank you for addressing this 🔥

Good to know that Guldo solo’s invincible.

On the topic of durability: look at when krillin tries beating up Perfect cell the first time and cell just stands completely still unphased by what’s happening. Krillin doesn’t break an ankle or his arm, he just doesn’t do anything at all

in the beginning that was such a god like transition

I would like to know how a race would evolve to be able to travel between solar systems with ease. Because we know that evolution only changes a species to be just good enough for a certain purpose and not changing them to the best possible version of them, there would need to be a benefit, a way and a need to evolve that ability for a species and in an acceptable amount of time.

Beast Gohan would violate the entire verse.

Brooo the only version of Mark has a chance of beating is like ssj2 gohan Edit: shit maybe i was wrong

From the feats we see of piccolo blowing up the moon effortlessly and the fact that the energy for it to travel there the moon destructive blast would have been equivalent to small planet level at that time he only had a power level of 580 which means imagine being at a power level of 10,000 nearly 20x that. And also add in that kid Goku was able to react and dodge things at light speed with a power level of 180.

Now imagine how powerful a Viltrumite/Saiyan hybrid would be like what if an alternate universe Omniman got stuck in the Dragon Ball Universe by Angstrom Levy. Depending on which saga Nolan arrives at I'm pretty sure he would be smart enough to notice the power gap between him and the saiyans and realize he would have to "learn their ways". What I mean is that he would learn how to control his ki in order to have a chance against them. This applies to him as in the DBZ universe every living being possesses ki. He would act as a hero to gain goku's trust, learn about ki control and ask him to teach him how to utilize it in exchange for daily battles(considering viltrumite stamina is much higher than a saiyan and goku loves to fight) Now consedering Viltrumite biology is extremely adaptive he wouldn't have much of a hard time learning how to control it and his potential could be quite impressive. I think he could get to Frieza's level but I might be wrong. Also once he realizes how powerful saiyans are compared to him he would devise a plan to create Viltrumite/Sayans hybrids once he finds a female saiyan(like Gohan's daughter... once she's an adult ofc) thus creating one of the most powerful species in that universe. The Viltraiyans Considering Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Goten and Trunks won't live much longer than humans all he has to do is play hero until they die while spawning more Viltraiyans. Eventually there will be hundreds of millions of them and Nolan learning with Gohan that Saiyans/Human hybrids have much more potential than pure saiyans he would make the Viltraiyans mate with humans. With both Viltrumite and Saiyan dna being dominant their human dna would make up of less than 1% of their total dna. Making the new hybrids 99% Viltraiyans with MUCH more potential. Nolan will teach them the ways of Ki that he learned with Goku and the gang. They will use the time chamber to get stronger much faster and with their lifespans they would train and train for centuries. Once they populate the whole Earth they will expand their new empire through the galaxy. All hail The Viltraiyan Empire.

The fight is a decent Equalized Stats matchup, but even then Gohan would *still* win due to his wider array of techniques, training and experience.

With Gohan's much superior skill and techniques. I don't doubt that he could go on the offensive by anticipating Mark's attacks. Especially with ki allowing you to sense the intention of your opponent. It's likely even with the speed disparity, he'd know when his opponent is gonna do something, because his opponent is highly inexperienced in comparison.

I'd like to see a debate with Will Smith's superhero Hancock vs Invincible

5:10 I feel like the main draw back why DB character have a slower speed feat could be because the majority of the cast can't breathe in space while also not having enough supply to sustain themselves for that trip. Like none of the DB cast had wished for immortality or the ability to breath in space or survive in space. Most of them just space ship and through the planet and planet.

You should do Broly vs Asura (Asura's Wrath) in a future video.

Omniman was faster than Light for billions of times only because he was in Space In the normal surrounding like Earth He maximum can accelerate to 500.000 times faster than light or 1.000.000 times Because of the Gravity and Windage And Teen Gohan easily can overpower him Because Teen gohan was able to Beat up Cell Which is Capable of Destroying Galaxy and Beyond

Algo que eu acho interessante ter mencionado é o fato que Nolan ter atravessado todo esse percurso, se deve a ele não ter sido subtido a nenhuma resistência ao voar no vácuo do espaço, podendo assim acelerar sua velocidade de voo tanto quanto quisesse. No vácuo do espaço não há gravidade ou resistência do Ar para te desacelerar, isso é um fato que poucos mencionam, diferente dos guerreiros Z que estão acostumado a se mover em altíssimas velocidades mesmos submetidos a grande pressão gravitacional. Tecnicamente falando, os Guerreiros Z são mais rápidos que todos os Viltrumitas em todos os quesitos, até voar e lutar em meio ao espaço.

DUDE I HAVE BEEN LOVING THSE COMICS VS ANIME VIDEOS THAT ARE ACTUALLY SCALED WELL AND NOT SUPERMAN VS OMINMAN OR SAITAMA VS INVINIBLE THESE ARE REAL FYEE

The strongest version of gohan he would beat would probably be namek saga gohan before guru unlicked his potential. After guru done that gihan would own him. Guru unlicked some inmer potential that put gohan on the same level as vageta when he was on earth, vageta was alreay planet level by then or above. None of these invincibles are planet level.

If you use toriyamas statement about orange piccolo with him being on par with Goku (most likely TUI) it makes it ever the more obvious that Beast Gohan who 2 shot someone who dog walked orange piccolo slams mark

What's your take on death battles other awful takes such as trunks vs silver and gaara vs toph

Invincible fans were silent since then 💀💀💀

King Vegeta would be a god in the invincible verse..

Like Gohan as 5 year old on Namek was fist fighting 2nd form Frieza, bruh who wanted Invincible dead?

You also have to remember that those are Out of ATMO speed feats and their in atmosphere speed is different than their in the f**king vacuum of space speed.

You guys remember that a 5 yr old Gohan fought & held his own against final form freiza when Goku suddenly disappeared after becoming a super saiyan. When Gohan dropped off Piccolo & bulma to the ship he went back to help his dad but found freiza & threw hands with him💀🤌🏻

I really feel like viltrumites are based off saiyans. I feel like if we ground the DragonBall characters more, and write off planet destroying as a ki-specific property of their strength, then post-cell Gohan would be a good match up. The actual strength feats we see in DBZ are much closer to viltrumiyes without ki blasts, which I do think they can at least take. When we see Marks dad destroy the surface of a planet in the show, I feel like they could actually destroy a planet by flitting straight through it. So I do think cell saga characters are compatible to viltrumites

I personally have Invincible's most powerful named cast at Nappa or higher. However, there are those like Null who stood on the sun without being hurt whatsoever, and the giant Gundam that showed up in Tech Jacket that was supposed to take up the size of the galaxy. The verse does stand a chance against DBZ at least

Id love for you to do some saint seiya vs dragon ball or other universes.

What OSTs did you use in this video?

Better question instead of pitting them against each other. I agree with the Gohan winning. But what if a saiyan and Viltrumite had a kid? Stays in their prime longer, gets stronger with age, this hypothetical monster is a threat.

We gotta stop putting dragon ball characters up against people that can be atomized by as little as a kiai shout from any z fighter 😂

One thing i kind of begin to question is why these fights happen in fandoms, most people who genuinely know both characters would know these two would never fight. Like there's no way to trick the two into fighting either because if you go with a gohan mark at his peak could beat he'd be to young for mark to justify even thinking about swinging on, and if you put gohan in one of his older forms that might be easy to 'convince invincible he's a villain' Gohan is to smart to actually go on without talking and informing mark of the deception.

So small problem about the light speed feat and Nolan being able to fight at billions times the speed of light. There are plenty of instances where attacks land that clearly shouldn't if he was capable of such speeds, also this feat isn't replicated again by any other characters even those stronger than Nolan. I think this particular feat is an outlier more than anything else, since it contradicts other things that happen in the story and hasn't been replicated since even when it would be convenient if Nolan or mark could travel that fast.

W video

I fully believe a single saibaman could solo the invincible verse

Who made this matchup? When are these one sided stomps going to end?

Not like we needed a video to answer this.

The thing about attacking someone more durable causing you to just implode, the attack you throw has to be done at damn near full strength. Like you're out to kill that person, so much so that you literally just cannot stop your momentum once that contact is made. I'm not saying Invincible could beat any late stage Gohan. But he wouldn't just atomize himself attacking him. Whichever earlier Gohan you pit him against wouldn't really be able to react at all, but he also wouldn't really take significant damage either. This would be about as close to a stalemate as it could get. Gohan can't fight back, and Invincible can't win.

Being a planet buster in Dragon Ball does require a power level of ~10,000 for the average planet, that being said, Roshi being moon level at ~150 is because the earth and by extension the moon are tiny in comparison to the rest of the universe

You should do Saitama vs. Mashle!

What video game was that footage from ?

Dragonball scalers try not to be disingenuous challenge: Impossible

Gohan legit can play a tag game with the entire invincible verse and they would lose just by touching him

I’m gonna disagree with you with needing a power level of 10000 to planet bust. But I like your video bro keep it up.

my question with the speed feats like the 1bill x light speed is always how come they only move that fast (proven) in space. can they move that fast on a planet with gravity or only in low/no gravity deep space

The Gohan that stood toe to toe against Freeza is 5 years old. I know that for a fact, but hearing it being said out loud is still a shock.

The only thing I'd argue is that it's worth referencing the crossover between Omniman and Supreme. Supreme is supposed to be silver age superman (sneezing solar systems away kinda goofy) and that really gives at least SOME more context for Mark's power level. Also the just sheer inconsistency in the Dragonball-verse with durability powerscaling. Ex: Krillin taking a bullet in super, or Goku getting knocked out of a fight by a laser gun. With how fast Mark is supposed to be, how much more violent his world is, and the inconsistency in durability in dragon ball we might see Mark quickly impaling a teenage Gohan before he can focus his Ki to prevent it from happening.

How can we come to the conclusion that either would break on impact of each other based on scales that we don’t know they we can take.

Mark has insane durability and endurance feats so he probably lasts longer than you'd expect but yeah at one point Gohan's just gonna vaporize him or saomething

Lonk,I’ve been watching your videos for a bit now,and I haven’t watched the video yet,but believe that Frieza saga gohan (Second form fight) would body all of invincible no 🧢

Finally someone who counts help

Very interesting way to take the video, seeing the breakdown of when the two characters are equal in a fight is almost more interesting than seeing who would win.

Nice take. Agreeing with you .

Who do you think would have an easier time killing Invincible, were Viltrumites scaled to Saiyans? Tienshinhan, or Chiaotzu? (Edit): Actually I learned at one point that the specific planet was one that a gun that could destroy stars couldn't destroy, but also I'm pretty sure the technique and help are what allowed Mark to decimate the planet, but saying Mark is low-planet level is still way undercutting the feat. I'd say Mark could hurt his hands repeatedly without splatting a Namek Saga Gohan. He still wouldn't win, I just don't think 5yo Gohan could beat him. Also, as someone explained while comparing the species alone, Dragonball characters need to use Ki to be bulletproof, whereas Viltrumites just kinda start being bulletproof upon gaining their powers. I'm sure Gohan might just passively use Ki upon sensing something headed towards him at a high velocity, but were Mark fast enough, he could land a hit before it'd start to hurt his hands. Also, Viltrumites can cut stuff cleanly with their hands. I don't know how they actually explain that, but based on the "Test Your Might" minigames in MK1, I think it's by vibrating their hands. As such, I imagine that were Mark to suddenly and without reason turn on Gohan, he could cut him. I don't think it'd happen but I'm just saying it isn't an instant win for Gohan, unless Gohan is using Ki. Teach a Viltrumite to use Ki, and suddenly Saiyans aren't that cool. In base form. As soon as Gohan turns SSJ or higher, it's *then* a fair fight, assuming at that point both are using Ki. Then Gohan goes SSJ2 while Mark goes *splat* .

Viltrums fly very fast but Saiyans fight extremely fast

That matchup would be like a car running into a brick wall

Didn’t roshi in og db blow up the moon with power level of 135?