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Launched January 2019, Golden Age Masterworks includes titles from Edgar Rice Burroughs, Harry Harrison, Murray Leinster, John Wyndham, Arthur C. Clarke, C.L. Moore, Henry Kuttner and E.E. ‘Doc’ Smith.
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@salty-walt
@salty-walt Месяц назад
I love how the moment you mention a controversy you immediately go to your spreadsheet. FACTS! There's nothing like facts!! (And of course this reminds me of all the times I rant about the shadiness of Gollancz. )
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal Месяц назад
Gollancz really have let the side down big time in the last fifteen years. Tragic and annoying.
@salty-walt
@salty-walt Месяц назад
@@outlawbookselleroriginal Thank you Steve.
@Yellowblam
@Yellowblam Месяц назад
Rebellion, the publisher of the ‘2000AD’ comic book, is publishing a coloured graphic novel of Harry Harrison’s ‘Stainless Steel Rat’.
@garagegeek4863
@garagegeek4863 Месяц назад
These are wonderful books - I wasn’t aware of this series. I will be on the lookout for these. I have started collecting the pulps and one thing that is missing is many came with illustrations, which are kinda fun. Thank you again.
@SciFiScavenger
@SciFiScavenger Месяц назад
You're right that the golden age is a little ambiguous, there is no august body that declares it to start and end at a particular date. But it is most commonly understood to cover late 30s to 45 or 6. Maybe at a push we could include the 50s as a 2nd golden age. As you say many of these works fall well outside even that more generous definition. I imagine they wanted to bulk out the series a little. Or a lot. Nice video Richard. 👍📚🚀👽🔫😊
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
Ultimately Gollancz is a business and another collectible series means sales.
@SciFiScavenger
@SciFiScavenger Месяц назад
@@vintagesf very true.
@dustydigger48
@dustydigger48 Месяц назад
Hi Richard,thanks for the GA Masterworks spreadsheet.Those old often pulpy books may not be great literature but they are fresh and often brimming with ideas. And SHORT,dont forget they are short! lol. I try to read a few vintage tales each month,and having read 14/17 of this GA Masterworks list,I will read Children of the Lens,Doomsday Morning and The Outward Urge to finish off that list next month. I may have read the Wyndham way way back in time,it seems familiar. I am working through Doc Smith's Lensmen series,and Children of the Lens is next in sequence. The C L Moore sounds interesting. I am a fan of hers so will look forward to it.
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
I need to catch up to your reading. My collecting is out pacing my reading.
@StevenEverett7
@StevenEverett7 Месяц назад
That's a nice-looking collection. The publisher did a nice job, and the artist was excellent. Where golden age ends is always be controversial. It seems to mean different things to different people. Your take seems to be quite reasonable.
@mathewguglielmi8451
@mathewguglielmi8451 Месяц назад
I appreciated your discussion about when the golden age of SF occurred and pointing out the contradictions of Gollancz's SF publishing. I like the Golden Age SF Masterworks Imprint as it introduced me to the exquisite pulp prose of C.L. Moore. I hope the line expands and they publish more of C.L. Moore and Henry Kuttner. It would be great if Gollancz published the rest of the Edgar Rice Burroughs Mars series in paperback Your ACE Special Edition of Northwest Smith has a cover depicting the first short story, Shambleu.
@vilstef6988
@vilstef6988 Месяц назад
A critic whose name I don't remember spoke of fixup novels having Van Vogt Skew from the hap-hazard addition of short stories to the text.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal Месяц назад
I posted a video on my channel around 18 months ago pointing out how Gollancz have helped muddy the waters of SF discussion by arbitrarily calling this series 'Golden Age Masterworks' when the reality is - as you illustrated with Clute's chronology- that the books in the series which are genuinely GA are in the minority. This is typical of their poor editorial standards these days. The critical consensus on the Golden Age was established many decades ago. Their disregard for clarity and critical-historical standards is really unhelpful for those learning about the History of SF. The more of us who bring to attention what the GA actually was the better. Well done, Richard.
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
I've been wondering how much WWII plays into defining the golden age. There seems to be a parallel.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal Месяц назад
@@vintagesf Yes, I've often thought that, the dates intertwining so obviously with European theatre opening of hostilities and the dawn of the Atomic age. It's more of a literary thing really, though, ultimately I think- 'The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction' appeared in 1949 and 'Galaxy' in 1950 and that's what really made a difference- like Campbell, Boucher and Gold cared about the quality of SF but provided alternative venues to writers who found it hard to cope with Campbell's increasing dogmatism and cranky theories-which you'll know about having read the 'Astounding' book. Within a few years though, people were finding Gold similarly frustrating (though about different opinions to Campbell's) but by the mid to late fifties SF books were becoming more of a thing and paperbacks had started to make an impact, so magazine editors were not so powerful- a range of editorial voices is always a good thing. But before Campbell, there wasn't a lot of discipline except for Harry Bates and a few others.
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
@@outlawbookselleroriginal I agree with your thoughts. Narrow opportunities allowed for a classification but when more sales options appeared the product widened in scope and style.
@outlawbookselleroriginal
@outlawbookselleroriginal Месяц назад
@@vintagesf Absolutely. As you know, I'm a tickler for terminology, not because I'm a pedant, but because I feel if we all use the same jargon consistently, it makes communication easier and more compact- I get very irked by people flinging terms like 'Golden Age' around as if it's a broad thing, when it's as much an 'editorial school' as it is a period. I think people often misuse it as they seem to think SF history can be divided up into neat periods in the way that comics fans seem to have done with their adoption of terms like 'Golden Age', 'Atomic Age' and 'Silver Age' etc as if they are equivalents of geological periods. Art is more complex than that! Good to chat with you as always!
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
@@outlawbookselleroriginal I think coming from comic books and graphic novels I assumed that the golden age was a definable period of time. Always learning!
@JosephReadsBooks
@JosephReadsBooks Месяц назад
Another great guide for helping me grow my TBR 😂! Thanks!
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
@@JosephReadsBooks TBRs have an inverse relationship with my book budget.
@zarg05
@zarg05 Месяц назад
Thanks for this Richard. You got me reading again.
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
That's great! Thank you for letting me know!
@vilstef6988
@vilstef6988 Месяц назад
Per Damon Knight: The Golden Age of SF is 12!
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
🤨
@paulcooper3611
@paulcooper3611 Месяц назад
Yes! Thank you! I was going to post the same thing. I used to be adamant about sanctity of the calendar and what happened, when. Now I am more tolerant. As long as we all broadly know what we are talking about, it is fine. (Also, I couldn't remember the correct attribution for the quote and was getting set to look it up, so thank you for that, too.)
@vilstef6988
@vilstef6988 Месяц назад
One of my favorite quotes on the pheomena of science fiction!
@OmnivorousReader
@OmnivorousReader Месяц назад
Great video! I usually just lump them together in my head as ' classic SFF ' or 'modern SF ' or fantasy, but there is always the sneaking, guilty feeling that I should figure out the history of it all.
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
I'm guilty of lumping them together as vintage SF.
@OmnivorousReader
@OmnivorousReader Месяц назад
@@vintagesf I feel less of a fail now :)
@bartsbookspace
@bartsbookspace Месяц назад
"Golden Age is a bit of a moving target", well said, Richard. Some have called the period soon after the golden age, The New GA, and with that you can "get away" with what Gollancz did with their Golden Age Masterworks Series, stretching it well into the New Wave... It does confuse SF readers and I wish there was more clarity to the timeline. Great video. 🙌
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
@@bartsbookspace Thank you Bart!
@themojocorpse1290
@themojocorpse1290 Месяц назад
Really informative Richard a great selection of books . The artwork is really beautiful on those , more to collect and read, fury being the first on my list been meaning to read it for a while now .Great episode many thanks.
@classicsfwithandyjohnson
@classicsfwithandyjohnson Месяц назад
The GA Masterworks is one of Gollancz's more baffling and sort of half-hearted initiatives - another one is the Fantasy Masterworks from 2013-2016. My copy of the Deathworld omnibus is quite precious to me because I love Deathworld (1960); the sequels are very much less fun, though. Earthlight (1955) is also an excellent early Clarke. While Gollancz's odd editorial choices and poor cover art frustrate me (stock images for cover art - come on now), they redeem themselves through the SF Gateway which is, in itself, reason enough to buy an e-reader.
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
Some good points here. I find the cover art varies wildly. Stock images are frustrating yet occasionally they are used to great effect. I think the Golden Age Masterworks overall are a good looking series.
@portland-182
@portland-182 Месяц назад
The books look lovely. Other authors? H Beam Piper, Eric Frank Russell, Margaret St. Claire, William Tenn...
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
@@portland-182 Certainly are a number of authors that could be included such as Asimov.
@JulesBurt
@JulesBurt Месяц назад
Thanks Richard, great overview👍
@AndrewSnarls
@AndrewSnarls Месяц назад
A.E. Van Vogt is probably the only one I'm interested in finding more work of and when you said his stories aren't part of the collection that truly disappointed me........
@zarg05
@zarg05 Месяц назад
i think JMS (of babylon 5 Fame) has done a treatment of Earthlight. I loved the Chris Foss covers from the 70s but he seems to have gone out of fashion on covers now
@rickkearn7100
@rickkearn7100 Месяц назад
Richard I often wonder if surprising omissions from series like this one (for instance, AE Van Vogt) could be more a function of simply being missed by the editor. That thought aside, the cover art in this series is outstanding, seriously. Vivid and masterfully composed/rendered, it's a poignant reminder of how much it plays a part in the overall satisfaction and enjoyment of the genre. Great series, enjoying it much. Cheers!
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
I agree that the cover art is vivid and engaging. Re: AEvV, I think it is about contracts and projected sales.
@paulcampbell6003
@paulcampbell6003 Месяц назад
*A. E. van Vogt* being excluded from both imprints is not surprising. As Ann and Jeff Vandermeer noted back in 2016 at the end of their introduction to the anthology _The Big Book of Science Fiction_ the estates Vogt, Heinlein and Shaw weren't granting anyone the rights to any of their stories. The editors then went on to list the title of a short story from each of these three authors which would have been included in their anthology had they been able to. Eventually Gollancz were able to reprint two of Heinlein's early novels as part of their main Masterworks series. Apparently Bob Shaw's estate has always been asking too much money for the reprint rights to his books. As to Vogt's estate I'm not sure. But, again, it's probably a safe bet that they're asking for more money than what Gollancz's budget is prepared to stretch to.
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
Agreed. Same reason we don't see the Foundation trilogy or Robots from Asimov.
@LiamsLyceum
@LiamsLyceum Месяц назад
I wonder if that’s changed a little for Vogt, I believe a story of his was in Baen’s somewhat recent Time Troopers.
@paulcampbell6003
@paulcampbell6003 Месяц назад
@@LiamsLyceum I think you're right: I just checked the contents list of _Time Troopers_ (2022) over on the *Internet Speculative Fiction Database* website and not only does it include a Vogt story but also "All You Zombies-" (1959) by Robert A. Heinlein: the very story which the Vandermeers wanted to include in their 2016 anthology.
@LiamsLyceum
@LiamsLyceum Месяц назад
@@paulcampbell6003oh yes, I had forgotten about that one’s inclusion!
@SleepyBookReader-666
@SleepyBookReader-666 Месяц назад
Unfortunately terms like golden age may slowly becoming more of a marketing terms than seriously considered categories.
@vintagesf
@vintagesf Месяц назад
@@SleepyBookReader-666 I agree but I don’t like it. I continue to look for historical and sociological context as well as the author’s story.
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