+Dave Livewire I will always know of Rudimental as being in line with Gorgon City & Clean Bandit, as they started out pretty much the same musically as well as being on the same label. Every "DnB" release they've made since their "conversion" sounds like they've made one of their traditional singles and then repurposed it for 174. Not to be taken seriously in the slightest, they will move off DnB soon enough, watch.
+Dave Livewire That is so true. They play on Portuguese Radio and we don't have radios like yours in the UK. This said, I can't hate on those tracks, they're pop that's dnb, but they sound good. I have a bigger problem with Fresh's more recent stuff.
+Rei Bob plenty of good internet stations play real drum and bass King Bob. I'll be on GMS this Friday 8-10 GMT. Tunes from 92 up to the present...all underground, many styles, however, no candy arsed crap.
+Mike Ashfield I think that was the whole idea get two polar opposites to talk about the scene so you can get a perspective from both sides of the spectrum.
+John Muir I respect your opinion but with the likes of Noisia, Black Sun Empire, Phace, Misanthrop, Fourward, Mefjus, The Upbeats, Hybris and many more being around I have to disagree. The golden age is now.
Unpopular opinion coming in... There shouldn't be a war between commercial DnB and the true underground scene. Without all the commercial artists like Skrillex when he blew up dubstep and all the UKF garbage from 4-5 years back, my friends and I wouldn't have become the Drum & Bass lovers that we are now (or it would have taken longer to get here). Acts like Rudimental & Wilkinson are helping people find their way to the true Drum n Bass scene with every show they do at these huge mainstream festivals, and that's pretty cool. That being said, Goldie nailed it when he spoke about the integrity of these guys. It's one thing to recognize that you're making commercial DnB and to be okay with that, but trying to pass off this pop-DnB as the real deal is straight up disrespectful. Don't ever forget that you're playing mainstage glastonbury only because of the hard work and dedication put in by the true pioneer Junglists years before you.
Holy shit Goldie is the man. He raises a lot of good points without sounding like a jaded veteran of the scene. The sounds have changed and so have the crowds but there's still always room for good DNB. I think Rudimental technically have beats at 174 bpm, but it's not the same feeling as listening to proper DnB. A lot of DNB tracks have blown up in the mainstream but they still have some core or root of DNB, but a lot of the stuff I'm hearing now doesn't even make my sub move, and you never hear it at raves or parties, just radio or shirt off hands in the air boozefests.
I absolutely I agree with Goldie!! Having DJ’d every weekend for 15 / 20 years from the late 90s; once of which was opening for Goldie, I totally agree with him. Standing there & playing a set for 4hr / 5hrs is a totally different ball game compared to turning up with a pre programmed set. The number of so called DJs nowadays who can’t beat match vinyl, or know how to build a set is unreal…..how many DJs have been caught out bouncing around behind the decks, twiddling knobs of their mixer to give the impression they are actually doing something??? As he rightly states, drum & bass when it blew up in the 90s was that generations punk & as someone who stands with feet in both the punk & drum & bass scene, I couldn’t agree more.
I'm a nineties kid, my earliest memory of drum and bass whas at a kid themed disco. Where they played the voodoo people remix by pendulum. Little did I know that track would spark my love for DnB forever.
Goldie makes such a big deal out of of it all!At the end of the day you got good music and bad music and that's its.You have a mass audience that likes shit,and you have a mass audience that likes good stuff.The ones that know the difference don't need a lecture from goldie.And for a guy that don't produce his own music and relies on engineers and producers to make his tracks.Seems a bit rich talking about artist credentials when he's never made a whole tune himself?Imagine if the youth hit back and said to him LEARN HOW TO USE A FUCKING DAW.Get over it for god sake. Technology moves on and the scene moves on! The older guys become way to nostalgic about the whole thing and sound arsey and bitter.People like what they like end off! Every generation that passes has a pop at the younger generation. Sadly that's part of the cycle of life.In 10 years time ableton users will be bitching about why the new generation aren't using the programme to play sets.Just like goldie trolls about the youngsters not playing vinyl on wind up stereo systems powered through a car battery generated from the engine of an old ice cream van.Its all the same shit and it goes on and on and on......
Im from Texas. Understand this. Drum n Bass producers don't sell out stay underground and protect our craft. Goldie is a Legend. Ray Keith, Dillinja, High Contrast, Evol Intent, Dj Dieselboy, Aphrodite, Dj Brockie, Skibadee Rip, Mc det, Dj Craze, Alix Perez, Dj Hype and Rudamental are my biggest influence in DJing Drum n Bass. To me this means more than anything in existence. Dnb is a dream using your imagination to learn the power you have spiritually giving us a reason to believe in something when we feel we have nothing left, Drum n Bass will be their. FOREVER Dnb
+steppa money fully getcha, and as an old Rage and Speed / Logical Prog / Swerve regular I side with the G man. But at least your man with the beard acknowledges there'd be no pre-recorded mixes in days of old. However, it comes back to the bloke on the right sticking up for pre-bloody-Recorded shite.... For me, 5 seconds or less of Goldie's orchestral soundscape settles the "authentic verses pop" discourse.
This interview with Goldie, really makes me wanted to complete my Adidas outfit, with a full pant suit leggings instead of just the zippered wind breakers i've worn off and on for years in colder months. Going FULL OUT next winter
Don't worry so much, dnb comes in and out of the fashion every 5-8 years. It was last peaking around 2008/9 when high contrast was banging out remixes of Adele and Calvin harris.
Not all about that, J Majik and Wickaman made some wicked tunes in 08 I remember Crazy World being played on daytime Radio 1 and it wasn't cheesy crap like Fresh and Rudimental
In Nazi Germany, it was popular theme that Jews are not human. Not everything popular is the way to go. That said Goldie is a great ambassador for jungle/dnb music. Always has been. Very emotional, heart driven and brave artist.
These are my 2 cents. If a kid can go and look at the top 40 and check, hmmm, Sigma, Rudimental, Dr. Meaker, Chase and Status....then first listens, it blows his/her mind...he/she is like "what is this music?, its different from what i know?", "they crave....dig deeper then find the "underground"..get excited even more by buying, sharing and supporting these alternative tunes then all of a sudden he/she should forget how they felt when they heard the DnB tunes because of the Music industry, street cred da da da da da...its not even possible to forget them. I think commercial is good. Where i'm from the nearest DnB rave is at South Africa.
+Charl D. Source it's the EDM thing but is a good thing cause when it fades Kids can dive in deeper and realize ohh this commercial....it's a bit cheesy.
Syd Peppa Nah sorry, the majority would just jump on the next bandwagon. How many of self-identifying dubstep fans in 2011 who listened to artists like skrillex are still dubstep fans? I doubt many, most are now fans of trap, or "deep house" (to you and me, EDM is what they mean)
+Charl D. It's troubling for example, i was into Dancehall at that time (i am still) and i heard about Skrillex from my Nephew, is he still a fan? Yes and he is younger than me but it is the pop mentality here and it's ok cause trust me, right now nobody knows who is Benga, Coki or Skream or Plastician here. They know Skrillex and they know Dubstep.
for those who don't know, the first track is a Lenzman song. Can't put my finger on it because lazy and busy but you're welcome. Keep asking and I'll try harder
Hurts a bit to see how this"DnB" have been played by Boybands. No disrespect too them though. But DnB as I know it is something very personal, biut Im getting old I guess. Goldie..Cheers mate, you have created some music that always stucked to my heart. Metalheadz 4 Ever!!!
I'm 100 percent with Goldie on that one, he knows what hes fuckin on about!! Interview made me love and respect him even more!! I didnt even know that that was possible!!!! :) Big up da man like Rufige Kru!!! :)
A drum and bass track with a trumpet sound and a vocal "doesn't matter if he's black or white"..these weren't the first d&b artists to produce this kind of sound...it was being done years before by the original pioneers of the scene.Not knocking rudimental hard but they have been led,not leaded.
I am appalled by the hate here, this is the complete opposite of what I have come to expect from the dnb community. No matter your opinion, pissing and hating on other people's music comes from a deeply hypocritical insecure weakness, try to step up and accept all music just like you wish people didn't piss on your music. Shape the fuck up guys
Who the fuck is "Rudimental"? Never heard about these guys. I like Goldies Statement: "This music was the punk of our country".... it still is !I wouldn't say DnB gone completely commercial. It is still heavy Underground Music, except the pushed Radio compatible tracks / crews. That's not really DnB to me, it's just a part of DnB since there is quite a heavy varity of styles which no one of you "commercial" listeners ever hear nor understand.... (no blaming, just facts).
+Scruffy P You don't know much about D&B then. Created one of scenes most pivotal tunes in "Terminator", Created undeniably the greatest album to come out of D&B in "Timeless", and created one of the most important (and still running!) labels in the scene "Metalheadz". Yeah I reckon he has more authority than anyone else to talk about D&B. He's one of the few from back in the day who has stayed true.
Drumtrip totally disagree there were plenty of djs rockin the jungle sound at the same time. He just trademarked that 1998- 2002 dnb sound. Not denying that he was an important figure but I'd rather see people interview grooverider or hype any day. Also inner city life was shit.
+Scruffy P Yeah Rider was the king back in the day, but he has been questionable for years. Inner City Life is shit eh? I guess where this conversation ends mate.
+Scruffy P Sure any of the other Jungle/DnB originators could speak up for it if they want - no one's stopping them! It's just that Goldie has the charisma to carry it, and many artists in the scene seem happy to agree with him anyway.
Techno in the 70s and 80s kicked off the electronic music scene. House music scene solid AF. Breakbeat, Jungle and drum n bass ruled the 90s. It was like punk was in the 80s and hip hop in the 80s with techno of the 70s.
what does he mean by usb pre recorded? who pre records whole sets i understsand having all your tunes on usb you cant exsactly 4 channel chop as much with vinyl
I didn't get exactly what they were talking about? Did he have critique on dj's who play DnB live but don't make it or are there actually dj's who first mix at home and just press play once for hours live. Like not actually doing any live mixing? I can't imagine that that happens.
no he is not saying that you have to make your own music to be a real dj, there are several dope good djs that are not producers, i feel i am one of them, what goldie is saying is there are actually kids that call themselves djs and plug in drives or bring prerecorded mixes and fake it, and that is bullshit, and i agree 100%. to be a real dj you must mix live that is the art of djing and what makes it fun otherwise someone can just put pandora on and bullshit around at a party, particuallarly drum and bass which has a hardcore following they expect djs to be on point
Aaron Maxwell Thanks for your explanation! I wonder, does that means that making your own music and bringing pre recorded mixes is a separate point in his argument right?
i don't get it, when i think about what "artists" i like in drum&bass i name what labels i like, since there is usually a distinct sound with each label, also, there is more to dnb than just Goldie, he's fine, but what about Dom & Roland or Omni Trio
Ironically I initially didn't like Goldie for similar reasons back then. He took the genre out of the small pond with the big fish. I also thought his music took the fun out of prior Drum & Bass and made it sound "intelligent". This is before I knew he was part of Rufige Kru though.
+SegmentedDread I know what you're saying but Goldie never sacrificed his music and Metalheadz. Yes he was on Eastenders and Big Brother - whatever. But never once did his music and art suffer for it. His passion for the music after all this time is inspiring. Metalheadz is as big and brilliant as ever!
+Drumtrip oh yes I agree. I saw things very differently after a while. At the time I was 15 and just loved using my dodgy Sanyo radio to find some crackly Jungle and Jump Up on a pirate. I recently went to Goldie's live orchestra. Was incredible
I understand that Goldie played a big part in the evolution of the jungle scene, but he is not the be all and end all of drum & bass music. I never liked his tracks then or now. I always preferred guys like LTJ Bukem, Doc Scott and Omni Trio. Guys who made chilled stuff with bags of musicality. A lot of Goldies music is pretty horrendous on the ears and is just angry noise for angry people. Rudimental are absolute shite though.. up there with DJ Fresh and Sigma for bullshit, electro pop drum & bass for kids on pills. awful, awful stuff.
+Rob Sayles Now hold up here, Sigma whilst I agree with you has ALMOST sold his soul to the charts, has however released some serious bangers to DnB scene, like the stand up remix, or front to back, one person I cannot forgive however, is most certainly DJ Fresh as you mentioned.
+Rob Sayles It`s not just about what music Goldie has personally produced but His Label, his collaborations, his influence and his tenacity have been one of the Biggest assets D+B could have ever dreamt of, People like Grooverider hasn`t always made the best tracks, Fabio hasnt made 1 I could name off the top of my head, but can you say they havent been MASSIVELY influential to it, no, there is a reason these guys are known as the Godfathers of Drum and Bass
I don't appreciate the negativity from Goldie. He's not even part of the underground scene anymore; Fabric dnb is basically chart music nowadays. I invite him to south west london to see where the pockets of new age underground drum and bass are forming.
+Rob Smiley His point about people turning up with premixed USB sticks was laughable. He didn't make a point. At all. He rambled on about seeing if the 'candyasses' could keep up with him for 4/5 hour sets. If the set is premixed, then I'd imagine that keeping up with him will be no problem, lol - way to articulate yourself Goldie. The dude is such a fool.
I couldnt agree more with Goldie on this one, too many cut n paste djs just standing there waving hands and not understanding the whole originality and direction of dnb, far too mainstream and dare i say cheesey nowadays for the purist
dnb is fucked up badly.i like old calibre logistics sounds.i remember when noisia came with some new dark shit sound mixed up with hardcore samples and that point was for me hell with this shit.now u have dubstep.
is Goldie about 50 now? Really? really?? lolz.... I think Goldie finds it hard to believe that music doesn't wait for anyone, it's moving and he's old-school
the main issue with Rudimental is their mixdowns. Their live shows are top drawer - seen them 4 times and they rock the crowd like few others. But the mixdowns... sheesh. Muddy low end, drums not pushing through to the front of the mix, weak trumpets... they have improved over with each album, but they'll never be premier league.
I like few Rudimental songs, but it's not a d'n'b for me ofcourse. It's something like puting breakbeat sample from time to time onto regular pop song. Perhaps, it's the end of d'n'b, last flash of jungle. People need new styles, some children of rave and progressive music, because we listen jungle (no matter how we call it: jungle, d'n'b, dubstep, etc) almost 30 years (sounds terrible). As for me, my favorite d'n'b artist is "Omni Trio" )))
What is this, it sound like drum and bass but it's all wrong, it's got tell-tale marks of liquid but it's lacking every single aspect that distinguishes the sound, the attitude, the vibe, the atmosphere, the edge, I don't even know what the fk this even supposed to be, and this is number 1?? Its a step back for the drum and bass culture, not forward.
Want real dnb then listen to Tech Itch, dom and roland, spl, spirit...if u can handle it unlike soft chart shit of today......goldie was good but he sold out.
You know, gonna say it. Don't care. Old school drum and bass sucks. I mean the absurdly pop dnb a la afterglow I wouldn't even call drum and bass but old school stuff is just boring to be honest.
