GOLF CLUB BASICS BLADES VS CAVITY BACK IRONS 

Couldn't agree more! Started with a set of Tour Edge Jmax GI irons. Unexpectedly won a $15 ebay bid on an older set of Mizuno T-Zoid True blades. I'm approximately 16 handicap and have been hitting the blades better than I ever hit my GI irons with no more shanks than usual (although the shanks are a bit more dramatic with the blades). Got my first eagle a few weeks ago after landing a big draw/hook on the green with my 5 iron (could never hit a draw/hook with the GI irons).

No club or ball is going to help if you’re shanking or laying sod those are the result of major swing flaws. You don’t need to feel bad shots off the clubface, the ball flight will tell you everything you need to know. It’s not like you can’t feel mishits with game improvement irons. The sweet spot is the same size, the cavity back doesn’t help a solid strike. Perimeter weighting helps deliver more clubhead mass to the ball on mishits. You still feel bad shots and see bad shots but you might still clear the bunker or the water. Common sense says minimizing the effect of a bad swing will help you shoot lower scores. The laws of physics say perimeter weighting will help reduce the effect of a bad shot. Both clubs will perform the same on square strikes. Blades can add control to a pro golfers game, they add only punishment to a handicap golfer. That’s why they’re not recommended.

Actually with mishits the results are even worse with so called game improvement clubs, but as you said, propaganda and brainwashing in golf is strong.

Something that I’ve suspected for a while that only makes more since with time. Golf OEMs are in the business of making profits. New “tech” irons always have a different marketing strategy to advertise perceived benefits. More speed, more forgiveness, or whatever the current catch phrase is today. Largely the buyer is unaware of loft jacking, and this video does a great job of exposing the OEMs for this (6iron VS 7iron). Also, jacked lofts cause gapping problems not only on the backend of the bag (PW-gap- sand w, etc), but also in the long irons. Now, hybrids are replacing 2-3 clubs in a players bag, plus their fairway woods.. at $100-200 /Ea USD for a wedge (because now you need 4 additional wedges to gap for your 42* Pw) and hybrids, your standard complete set of clubs will cost you north of $3k USD. While blades largely just change the looks of the iron… There is no surprise OEMs sell fewer of them than gi irons and clubs. I recognize that I am biased because like you I started on blades, learned how to swing a club, and now play them well - but the whole, “you shouldn’t be playin blades” is just a marketing plan to get you to buy more clubs… golf was played at a very high level for decades without, it’s only changing now because there’s more money involved for OEM to sell more clubs - they sell more by chasing new tech. My Rant’s over on a dead thread. Peace, love and Greens in regulation.

Francis Patenaude I have the opposite feeling when playing blades. I feel more confident looking down at a blade because they make me feel like more of a player, like someone who doesn’t need the help from chunky cavities. I went from a 15 handicap down to 3 with blades in the bag.

Ryan M 100% agree here! If same loft gives you more height and steeper decent, with same distance that’s a win for a lot of ppl because you are then given a choice of same distance and more stopping power and or same height and such with more distance by leveraging d-plane. I don’t know anyone anymore that argues the tech drives the distance more than the loft, but the tech may give you more flexibility. And I do say MAY because it doesn’t always play out the way for every player.

Ryan M winning with desperation? We did not see the numbers

Then go to TXG for the true, data based conclusions. This channel is WOEFULLY unscientific in its approach.

It’s like they literally said, you can’t compare numbers to others. You can only work and use your numbers for yourself. So basically the only way to figure out what works better for yourself is to try each one for yourself to match to your swing

Facts!!!!

Nobody cares only your ego

Totally agree! Felt missed the point a little of cavity clubs

I’d also like to see which performs better out of very bad lies. Would a cavity irons forgiveness help you hit a shot out of a terrible lie with forgiveness or would the blades workability and sole allow a person to dig it out better?

@@ahastar1141 I changed from cavity irons with a thick sole to cavity irons with a thin sole and the difference out of the rough was noticeable. With the thick soled clubs I tended to pull shots off target but with the thinner sole the shots were straighter.

agree, would be interesting to see similar mishits and the results

singleta Exactly. The blades perform better out of bad lies and even on missed hits they will yield better results in terms of dispersion. The game improvement clubs are golfing gimmick and a myth.

I do strike it pure 😂🙈

I've seen Gc quad read clubhead speed differently between iron models so it's most likely just a different read. Most good fitters rely on ball speed reading more than clubhead speed because it can be read slightly different depending the shape of the head.

@@MarkCrossfield Great test! Your thesis seems to validate what I have found out on the course. My game improved from mid 80's to mid 70's this year when I went from Titleist AP1's to Titleist T-100's. The fitter was leery, but hey, the results don't lie. I feel my dispersion is much tighter with the T-100's. I could care less what number is on the bottom of the club, I just want to hit the yardage I know I can with the club. Now, I have just ordered a Titleist 620 combo set. 4,5 and 6 in the CB and 7,8,9 and P in the MB. Not expecting the same drop in scoring, but looking for better shot shaping.

I was thinking the same, but I'm not sure.

I think the head weights are similar

I was wondering whether shaft and grip weights were comparable as reason for 2 mph clubhead speed difference

No it's the way gc quad reads the clubhead speed. Different shaped clubheads are read differently by gc quad sometimes. Clubhead speed on GC quad isn't as reliable as ball speed reading is.

A 6 iron head weighs less than a 7 iron head. Given the same length shaft, the 6 iron will have a lighter swingweight. This is most likely a factor in the faster swingspeed you experienced. The shaft, if identical, would also play slightly stiffer in the 6. Keep these clubmaking basics in mind when doing a similar test. You MUST swingweight the clubs identically for the purest data.

You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about

Also the weight of the club head itself and aerodynamics.

fish0555 Agree! Often times is where the forgiveness is depending of how you deliver the club!

Half inch isn't really going to make any noticable different. Most amateurs don't even grip the club in the same place Everytime. Some choke down slightly without even knowing it.

Defo

There isn't "more loft up the face" an iron is completely flat. Hitting a little bit higher on the face affects launch because you're striking slightly above the center of gravity, vs a lower strike is hit below center of gravity so it launches lower.

Performance drop definitely happens but not very measurable when you're hitting a club above 35 degrees of loft. Once you get to 40 degrees of loft there's almost no difference because it's such a glancing blow with that loft that perimeter weighting doesn't really help. But when you're hitting 4-5-6 irons there is definitely a noticably drop off in performance on mis hits. Problem is people only test 7 irons when they do these tests.

@@kourt2469 I've been reading the comments on this video and seen quite a few of yours - you know your stuff.

Iceland vlog, not sure the course name.

One of the funniest things in a vlog ever!

Apologies for the poor typos

He's running GC Quad and hitting into a net. If you watch the garden videos notice the ball just disappears into the screen - he's editing an overlay screen cap from his tablet so we see a screen while he's hitting. Neat effect.

@@Coreadrin awesome! thanks! I seriously thought there was a projector active while swinging. thanks again.