One of the biggest slaps in the face of this situation is that Aaron Swartz was a cofounder of Reddit, fought for free and open access to information, and now Reddit is standing against that
@@obaid5761 I legit can't explain what happened to him without the yt comment filter shadow deleting it. He's dead and the circumstances and his life are a good read on Wikipedia.
That is disgusting and despicable... although it may be better for his name to be off, because it no longer stands for the things he believed in. There was a time when reddit was in the news for refusing to censor anything, period. My how times have changed.
"EU can sue them for restoring deleted data" - Yeah this is a billion euro fine. GDPR is a money printing machine for the European Union, and I love it.
Why don't the people affected ever see the money? It's just a racketeering grift designed to extract money from good software with the justification of brutish European authoritarianism and command economy claiming that they're "looking out for the little guy" as they pocket all the money.
He's a wimp. People like that never step out from the herd. They just raise their voice pitch and talk in a feminine manner while whining and putting out videos with sanpaku eyes thumbnails for engagement.
@@m0ose0909 The only service I use willingly is RU-vid. I guess that is hypocritical of me. I'm still doing my best to cut them out of my life in all other respects. I would rather lose RU-vid and for all of Big Tech to implode than continue with the status quo.
@@m0ose0909 do you see any other options that are as big as the other platforms there are? , even better question do you think every normal person would give up on using google even though it sucks? , if you try to stop using google you are practically crippling a good few important aspects of your life
It's so weird that you had to front run your entire speech with "I'm not anti-Google" - like we can't just talk about corporate shenanigans without trying to keep their fanboys/girls at bay. It's not your fault, but I wish we would all collectively realize that none of these corporations are our friends.
I thought that the Reddit IPO would under-perform, but I underestimated how much Reddit was planning on capitalizing on the AI craze. In that way, I have to give credit to their management, they figured out a way to sucker the markets. They'll look a lot less smart when the AI hype finally dies, but they'll probably have new jobs or be in retirement by then.
I've been on Reddit for over 12 years now, used it mostly daily for almost a whole decade. I've drastically lowered my time there the day Apollo died. What they've been doing for the past few years is unacceptable.
As much as I dislike most of the EU’s policies, I really hope they go after Reddit for restoring deleted data and after Google and Reddit for cutting deals that further monopolize the Internet towards Google.
This is especially hilarious in the context of Google trying to defend themselves in the wake of antitrust saying (essentially) "look we're just being penalized for being the best, not because of shady practices"
I have a feeling that Reddit might sell their platform soon. It seems like they're just squeezing out as much money as they can before making the move.
Reddit's UI is horrendous. They even force users to the new UI because the cookie banner on the old UI can only be dismissed by going to the new UI. The new UI has auto-play videos; clicking on the background of a subreddit post takes you to the main subreddit page; and a lot of sub-comments are hidden by default, but clicking to expand may take you to a new page anchored to that sub-comment meaning you've lost all the context! Those are the top UI annoyances of reddit I can think of.
Isn't it amazing that a self-hosted blog can be scrapped by AI, used in private "for-profit" products, and there's basically nothing we can do, but Reddit can basically say "I don't want anyone to scrap our content" and that's ok? One more example of "money makes the rules" I guess...
A US federal court just came down hard on Google for paying to be default browser. Hopefully courts and regulators (internationally) will come after Reddit and Google for this too.
I feel like this is just going to drive engagement away from Reddit rather than push people towards Google. People using other search engines are making a conscious choice. Are they going to reverse that choice on the basis that it can't get access to "new" reddits posts? I would argue it would make people feel more grievance towards Google and double down on their choice.
yep. I believe strongly in the contrarian impulse in this case; you're so right about people who use other search engines.. like. what am I gonna do, suddenly start Putting Up with the ENTIRE rest of google's bullshit? lol. lmao.
Btw Theo saying anything other than Google and Microsoft is pointless as DDG, Qwant, Ecosia, Startpage etc are sitting on top of either Google or Bing. The only other option is Yandex and who wants to use that? No one.
When I try the uploadthing search, the first result I get is for the NPMJS listing... and I can see the link you presumably actually want, as Markdown, in the summary...
The reddit post is probably referenced a LOT more than the original post and therefore likely more interesting to the user according to PageRank. Isn't that what made Google search great in the first place?
The reddit protest was done pretty poorly too. They didn't say "we are going private until you walk back". They said "we are going private for 2 weeks unless you walk back" So they just told reddit that the backlash to these things is taking a small hit for 2 weeks.
bro, imagine being a business and having to prop up and subsidize a much smaller direct competitor just to avoid a federal antitrust action, that's WILD
6:28 - I have a different take on this: Search as it was is dying, and Google and others know it. We've already seen the beginnings with SERPs. A lot of the time, people don't WANT to go to your webpage, they want the information on it. They don't want to wade through blog spam, and the SERP often gives them what they want. I see a reddit page on an article as far more valuable than the article itself. That's also seen in the common trope that people in the Reddit comments complaining that no one actually reads the article. No one wants to. You have to watch a bunch of ads, and in reality you really just want the information, which a Redditor will often summarize for you in one of the comments. Generative AI is heading that way, too. Google already has some GENAI search "results" at the top, and OpenAI is starting to experiment with "search", too. It's the ultimate "ad blocker". You don't need to even navigate to the site to get the information, the LLM will simply read and summarize it for you.
Yeah honestly this is the correct take. The Gen ai answers on chrome are actually pretty useful and ive found them pretty useful. If they can hone in the frequent hallucinations they will be golden
Search is dying because the vast majority of content is now aggregated into sites you can count on one hand. When search emerged, there were no large centralized platforms, so when you decided to look something up it generally meant that you were finding new content. The vast majority of people’s search needs these days really can be satisfied by having a small folder of bookmarks and SERP
I love how we are again back at IE monopoly basically everywhere, with enshitification exploding right at everyone's faces and most small companies can't keep up with ANY of this shit.
yeah I had a case few days back where one user on here, for no reason, responded to a comment I made by provide my "geolocation" (in quotes because I am not a fool), but nonetheless, I in turn check who this user is and turns out to be a reddit mod (amongst other stuff) so I told the person "I do not take privacy lightly and I see you are a Mod on reddit, so let's see how Admin feels" and sure I did mention this and for now at least it seems Admin did take this serious... so two things 1. I am what said user think he/she (like I said I take privacy seriously, so, no gender not mention for a reason) and I act ethically - in fact I am also legally bound by such - but I follow through and provided the info to Admin (if they did not take it serious I would go the regulator route such as the FTC, but in this for now I did not need to, if they reinstate this person I will close my reddit account and whoever regulates/resides over them will be the next step). 2. not all here are who they pretend to be, if you do some profiling you will find out. reports filed here is never followed through (they claim to be against harassment and bullying but HARD evidence shows that it is not the case). Finally, I use alt search engines, and no I do not use social media microblogs such as twitter where this platforms appears to be posting their updates, so sorry but as result of all this and more I will not be using this floptube once my premium lapses (tried it not so much for the ads but to see if paying viewers get responses to valid reports and also to see if comments are removed or not, and sadly, no, not sure what the purpose for premium is, if only for less ads yeah sorry, no deal) this platform was once different (joined 2011) and I mean in terms of the above, now it is all about money and increased censorship, Odyssey for example have a ~40% more positive rating opposed to floptube and be it Odyssey, Rumble, BitChute, etc, there are other options.
11:46 reddit is not a good alternative, but disord could also easily pull some bs on us too. Having all our communities at the mercy of a single corporation is always a risk.
so theo, what are you going to do about it? if you want to pair up, up to brainstorm and build the next reddit that will never sell user data in the future no matter what. if it is possible i would like to know. I can see why reddit is resorting to this because otherwise their board of director is going to fire every exec lol
I often wonder if it's even possible to have a free market for these huge technologies. Everyone loves markets, they make things cheaper, but you can't have a market with only one or a handful of companies in the space... It's kinda why I'm so in favor of gvmt intervention in these industries. Even if you think gvmt shouldn't meddle in markets, you'll probably agree that this isn't a market and it'd be nice if the gvmt forced it to become competitive again... /shrug
Let's hope that this results in this holy trio: 1. An anti-trust lawsuit from the US 2. A lawsuit for GDPR violations (because they are not respecting user requests to delete their data/content) in the EU 3. The stock price only continuing to go down like it currently does
The problem with current alternatives is theres just not enough people on those platform, looking at Lemmy purely as software makes it an incredible alternative, but not enough people like change and would rather go down with the ship. However, I maintain hope that one day, a big migration will happen
Lemmy is OSS decentralized on the fediverse (Mastodon interopability + more) . It's got 50k users and you can reasonably silo yourself off from the rash of political extremists that just roll on in. Imagine you join a server and it's simultaneously a local Reddit clone and an RSS feed of ALL participating Lemmy implementations the server does not blacklist. It's like pre explosion Digg, if you remember that. It's at least half decent, and the current lower volume of posting is honestly good for my ADHD. Only issue right now is that the system is somewhat technical to traverse, but if you can understand robots..txt you can understand Lemmy.
@@Srootus That's the problem with social media, most of their worth is in the size of the userbase so they have massive momentum even if they mess up.
Reddit is so much better than Twitter. The problem with Reddit is unhinged, too powerful mods. And subreddits that are just triggering. If you stay out of triggering subs, you are 75% good
1. reddit is basically the same after the API changes. nothing significant happened. the only thing that "imploded" was the user base because they didn't understand. 2. the reddit app itself is not bad. and if you think it is then you're just using your emotions instead of rational judgement. I used to use Relay, loved relay. but swapping to the official app isn't bad. 3. reddit can do what they want with their company. if the only let google index them? fine. not sure why this is bad for you, use google. unless you're one of those people who "values privacy" when your analytical data is anonymized anyway. sure can they correlate the data and form a better picture of who you are? yup. but you're in a see among millions if not billions of people. I'd also assume you're using a flip phone with no smart phone functionalities so this only applies to your browser which you can use any number of extensions that block against this.
4:46 I have never heard of Google earning more per user for IOS user on their Search product compared to Windows / Android user. Hard doubt, especially since IOS aggressively shoots down tracking solutions to measure performance.
I'm so tired of the first page of search being nothing but reddit threads WITH NO ANSWERS IN THEM. The reddit threads are all conjecture and opinion which leads to a LOT of misleading intel
we willingly contribute and participate in a consumerist materialist late-stage capitalist dystopia, and then act surprised when corporations do things like this. woe is me.
Question: I agree what reddit has done is stupid and anti-consumer, the question I have that bugs me is. Reddit is just getting bigger, and each index and scrape is costing them. With "AI" all the rage, I imaging they are being scraped HARD and that's costing them loads. what would be the best long term solution to at least balance that out as its only ever going to increase in cost as reddit gets bigger but also AI ramps up its "Learning". Also did google pay them for the access because if so then that also an issue in that, reddit is not saying no its just saying you need to pay and google already has. to re-iterate I do agree what reddit has done is not something I am happy with, but what would be the actual solution because eating the cost is not a long term answer, Searching and AI is effectively changing the way we use the internet once again, and its seemingly being pushed by these search engines to make it the norm at least that's how it looks to me (IMO)
