So happy to see this new mount! It really fills in a need, and it does look very good for portable setups. Excellent overview Nico! I'd be interested to see if it works with GreenSwamp Server, although I don't see why not. Direct USB connection, which I assume is the same as other SW mounts, should just work with EQMOD or GSS as long as the right COM port is selected, and baud rate is set to 115200!
I thought you were on an astrophotography withdrawal, but glad to see you popping around ;) The mount looks cool but if guiding, I don't think it will perform better than the AZ GTi and is still overall twice the size and weight.. The wedge is much better but here you could get a smaller detachable WO wedge as well (important when carrying it around in a hiking bag). But maybe where this mount can work great is not to have to guide (for beginners or when packing extra light) and as a jack-of-all-trade when you are at a more stable site and want to guide to improve performance.
Curious to see the debug read-out with SyntaTester (from the GSS group). I would expect a mechanical setup similar to the AZ-GTi. Can't wait to get my hands on this thing and take it apart... :)
Thanks Nico, I got one partly based on your review. The single counterweight has been replaced by 2 smaller dissimilar ones instead. Making balancing smaller payloads now possible. I also found that very old EQ3 style weights work too. I actually keep the included weights as spares for extreme balance situations. Spot on with the relevant details as usual. You can tell the difference between those who have a head knowledge. And those who have an actual practical knowledge. You are so convincing because you are in the last group. Thanks
Interesting. Their media images still show the single weight. Are the two weights white or the more common black color? I'm hoping that if I order one and I get the older single style they will send me replacements since my more common platform will be my mirrorless camera and lenses.
Hello nebula photos, you really got me interested in Astro photography! I used your guide as a reference to take 200 1-2s Orion nebula photos and stacked them. This initial session really got me into the hobby so I made my own automated barn door tracker (which actually works!!) I will use this weekend. Your videos are truly amazing and inspiring thank you! Hoping for clear skies for both is us.
You can make simple counter weights using 1/4" lead wire, used for making fishing weights. Simply tightly coil it around the shaft. The lead comes in 1lb and 5lb
Ordered a used GTi from High Point Scientific a couple weeks ago and I'm very impressed with it so far. One thing you mentioned Nico, was the loosely attached polar scope cover. I did notice that the tabs on the cover press right against the battery holders, so what I did was very carefully pare down the pointed edge of the two clips where they meet the battery holders. The tabs now fit much tighter. Your mileage may vary of course, but with a used unit I didn't feel bad making a slight mod. I also wrapped a small wire around the elusive battery cover screw and looped it around a knob on my tripod. Hopefully I won't lose it in the dark again! Thanks for all your helpful vids!
Much better in depth explanation then every other channel (not hating, just saying, thank you). You continue to show your passion and knowledge. Rock on
Great video and lots of great info. For future project with this mount see if you can get a 60mm telescope (Williams optics, Apratura etc), with field flattner, mono camera, filters, filter wheel, electronic focuser, Guide scope and camera, ASI AIR PLUS and dew heaters. See if the mount will handle it and kind of sub time you can get with round stars. As this would be the perfect portable setup or setup for people with physical disabilities that prevent them from having a much larger mount. You asked for future idea's and I would love to see what this mount is capable of. Keep up the great work.
I hope so too since I have the ASIAIR. Receiving this mount tomorrow. I'm excited. Of course, forest fires in the west will delay my utilization of this new gear.
Thanks for a great review. This is the first I have heard of this mount and will definitely buy one. I am currently using an AZ-Gti in EQ mode while travelling. It works nicely but time for an upgrade.
I haven't opened it up to see if they are spring-loaded, but the specifications in the user's manual states the worm gear is copper and has a diameter of 15.8mm, while the wheel gear is aluminum alloy and has a diameter of 92mm.
First, for additional counterweight options, there are 3D print specialists out there making all kinds of photography accessories, including counterweights. Starting a chat with one of them would likely result in them making something to your specs. I recently bought a counterweight set for my SA 2i, in case I need a little more than what it came with. You can fill each cannister with whatever density filler you need, so you can customize the weight. I used fish tank gravel, mostly because it's cheap. But you could use much denser ball bearings for more weight if needed. Secondly, I'd be interested in seeing, or knowing, how this compares to the AZGTI. Cuiv the Lazy Geek did a couple of videos last fall showing how to (somewhat easily) adapt the AZGTI for astrophotography, and I've been considering buying one, but the availability has been so hit or miss for several months, and the sellers have been jacking the price up 2-4x the MSRP. I'm finally starting to see the prices come down as normal availability is more consistent, but after learning of this tracking system, I would definitely want to see how the two compare before spending the money on either one.
I also want to know how this mount fare against AZ GTI in the Eq mod. I wonder if I should have waited a little longer. I bought AZ GTI with a few extras to make it Eq mount a few weeks ago without knowing this mount coming up.
Thank you as always for the review, got one on order now will be a good mount for when I don't want to or can not bring my EQ6 R pro. FYI weighed my 72 edf with image train came in at 9 pounds.
Very interesting mount. Fixing the main reasons why I never went for the star adventurer. As much as it is a great mount, the lack of DEC and GoTo limited it's uses for me. 1- being lazy. 2-planning multiple targets per night or mosaics. I "need" more though then what this mount offers.. Cooled camera, asiair, guiding, filterwheel, maybe a dew heater, etc. Drawing quite a bit of power.. So, as I would need a big battery for that already.. and doing all my photography 5 meters away from a power socket.. being "off the grid" isn't high on my list of requirements.. And rather have something like an EQM35 or Celestron VX, and have the additional weight capacity. Either way, interesting mount. Maybe for the future.
Thanks for the review, Nico! I’m still looking for my first mount, and while I think this new GTi looks great, going beyond the payload limit is the thing holding me back. It’s going to be easy to surpass once additional equipment gets added or larger scopes get involved. Still, seems like a terrific option for people as a first mount!
@@dgv646 Really? NOBODY should consider a mount that is $330 cheaper than the EQM35? Even people who are fine with just using a small scope? You're incredibly self-absorbed.. gross..
I got the star adventurer 4 months ago and then this comes out. An affordable go to mount is exactly what I wanted but I got the star adventurer instead so whoops
I received a new Star Adventurer GTi this week, vintage 2023, and it has two separate counterweights that weigh 1.5 and 3.5 pounds for the same total of 5 pounds so it would seem that the lighter load balancing issue has been taken care of this time around. There is even a sticker in the user manual in the what's-in-the-box section covering I would presume was last year's 5 pound counterweight. Same crappy polar scope cover though, and there still needs to be a captive screw on the battery cover.
Nico, on the Star Adventurer GTI mount I found if you spread the weights with a couple of inches between them balance can normally be achieved。 I did not have a camera setup but did have the SVbony 60mm guidescope attachedand was able to balance the rig.
6:35 You can add tension to the Polar scope cap, heat the prongs individually with a hair dryer until hot, then a little outward pressure, hold until it cools. It will not be falling off when hit. I did it with my Star Adventurer Pro, works like charm.
@@paulboone714 On the star adventurer you heat the cap by the locking tabs with a hair dryer. When the cap is very warm you add pressure from the inside of the locking tab and move it about 1/16" outward. When the inside of the tab is in line with the outside of the cap when it cools you are adjusted properly. For the GTI you do the same to move the tabs outward, but the tabs are a little TOO LONG and hit the batteries in the holder. Take off 1/16" from the LENGTH of each tab until it locks in place when the batteries are in place. DO NOT TAKE OFF MORE than 1/16" from the lock step on the locking tab. I don't know their Engineers are but they need some tips................
I ended up going with the AZ-GTI: it's officially alt-az only, but lets me mix and match components to go equatorial. May be the wrong choice, but it suits my tinkerer's nature.
For balancing lighter setups I had an extra iOptron counterweight that i used on my 2i. I took it to a local engineering firm with the GTi's bar and asked if they could mill it out to fit, five minutes and ten pounds later I had a one kilogram counterweight.
Great review, Nico.. I was able to get my hands on one and finally took it out tonight. I was a little disappointed in the two adjusting knobs/screws for azimuth. They didn't offer much adjustment, and were flimsy. You mentioned the scope cover, and I'm really not sure how that passed into final production. A couple of strategically placed magnets could have been used. Aside from those issues, I'm excited for more time and clear skies!
Can't wait for your video on backlash. I hear it in a lot of videos but I have no clue what it is. I have an idea based on context, but I only know what backlash means in regards to fishing, lol.
Cool Niko! I'm eagerly awaiting this star tracker, to be paired with a 50mm or a 62mm refractor. The phone connectivity and go to was a selling point for me. I had considered the Zwo AM3, but at more than twice the cost, minus tripod, pier, asair, polar scope, weight or bar, and battery source (all EXTRA!!!) the choice was easy to make. ($740.00 is not inexpensive, but seems fair for what you get: a great, portable travel rig optimized for light telescopes or cameras.) Thanks for posting!!!
Nice overview... have been looking forward to this release. Here's a use case for you: we're thinking of recommending it as a portable mount for the upcoming 2024 total solar eclipse. (1) Can you use the cell-phone SCP boresight (aka "The Rackley Technique") to get a rough daytime polar alignment and/or (2) can you use planetary objects to get a good daytime polar alignment?
Thanks for the suggestions. I'll see how accurate I can get polar alignment with those methods. I have tried the Rackley method with other mounts before, but my trouble was the phone compass never seemed to work correctly when it was close to other metal objects (the mount). My favorite daytime polar alignment method, was old-school compass and string plus a magnetic declination adjustment for the location. The other thing I did was just use a solar filter and adjust polar alignment until the sun had very little drift (I assume that's the same as the 'planetary objects method'?) In any case, I'm positive any of these methods would work just as well with the GTi as any other EQ mount.
@@NebulaPhotos Yes, the compass and drift methods do work and are good fall backs. To really take advantage of a GOTO, I was wondering about 2 or 3 object alignment using planets during the day. One would need to be careful about proximity to the Sun of course, but planets are easy targets in full sunlight (even naked eye in some cases), so I've wondered about that for a daytime polar alignment. The Star Adventurer Mini does have a lot of metal, and it does throw off my cell phone magnet a bit when I use the Rackley technique... but the offset seems to be stable. I can setup during the day, and then check with the polar scope at night, and can get some reproducible results. The key is that the SAM has a nice flat surface upon which I can place my cell phone while I tweak the alt/az polar adjustments. A brief look at your vid suggests this mount has a curved surface, that might be a bit more difficult to repeat-ably position a cell phone. I'm planning to purchase a mount in the next couple of weeks to try some of these tests... but I'd be very interested in your results, and any tips you might have in this direction!
11:34 - Correction to bring: the SkyGuider Pro can be powered by USB while tracking, using a battery pack for example. While camping most people will have battery packs with them. I never bring AA batteries myself. Plus, 4x Enelop Pro batteries have around the same capacity as a 10000mAh power pack that could also be used to charge one's phone or something else. With AA batteries there is no safe guard while if using a power pack with the SGP, once depleted it will still track using the internal battery.
Good points. Do you know if the USB battery pack can re-charge the SGP internal battery as well? I'm usually using my battery packs to run the dew heater strips. I get your point that you can just buy more USB battery packs instead of AAs, but I find the AAs handy esp. since they are easy to find even at gas stations.
@@NebulaPhotos it's written in the doc that the SGP can be charged with a battery pack. And indeed, an SGP is just 2000mAh so any battery pack now has more capacity. With an USB amperage meter I have measured my USB dew heaters and they are all between 6.8-9.8 Wh (1.37-1.96Ah). So rounding that to 2Ah (10Wh) - 10A/50W for 5 hours and adding 2Ah (once or twice) to recharge the SGP during the day (or power the SGP in an equivalent way) leads to ~12A per day. So a cheap battery pack of 26800mAh should run for 2 days at least (without considering what would be left in the SGP internal battery).
Great review. I am a beginner looking to get the gti for my first mount with my dslr and small lens. Would love to see more videos showing all the auto-guiding capabilities and how to connect it to a computer and run the guiding
Great video Nico, thank you. Could you add your Redcat 51 , ZWO autoguide scope plus OSC camera and auto focuser on your cheese plate to the GTI or would that be too heavy of a payload?
Hi! First of all for sharing your knowledge with us. I am wondering if you would be doing a complete A to Z tutorial on the GTi in a future video? Like from setting it up to the different ways to connect and mount your camera etc, and also how to use (if someone chose to) an ASI Air Plus and a guidescope with it. I don’t know anything about dithering, guiding etc, so that’ll help greatly. I plan to use my Canon 300mm prime lens with a 1.4x TC with this setup. Would I need any additional dovetail plates etc to attach a ballhead onto which the camera would go? Thank you.
Damn you Nico Carver! 😁 Just when I thought I knew what I wanted, you pop up with this with everything I want but at AU $250 extra cost! Looks like a great mount and a definite winner, IMHO. All it needs is a lighter counterweight, which shouldn't be hard to find.
@Nebula Photos Just wanted to say thanks for putting me onto this. I finally got a Star Adventurer GTI. I've yet to use it because there has been way too much cloud here but first chance I get, I'll be out there capturing photons. Right now I'm trying to learn some of the features of the Synscan Pro app. Honestly, this was the best choice for me. I already had a tripod for it and just made total sense. Thanks again.
Concerning Counterweights there is a 1.1 kg counterweight for Vixen Polarie and an iOptron 1.35 kg counterweight available. Both with a 20mm diameter hole, so they should be usable in theory.
I genuinely believe this is the "EQ version" of the AZ-GTI, which I absolutely loved purely for observing. I never got into astrophotography other than putting a cell phone camera up against the eyepiece and perhaps only taking a single long exposure photo lasting around 4-7 seconds. Unfortunately, I've sold it months ago just to make some extra cash. This was prior to realizing a long exposure photo allows more detail and light to be seen, something I've never done before and had an itch for a lightweight EQ setup just for a small refractor. I originally had the EQ6-R Pro and that was well over 50 pounds! It nearly put me off from astronomy altogether hauling that thing from my room to the backyard nearly every night. This seems like the perfect lightweight EQ package to get back into astrophotography, even if it's just using my phone for longer exposures. I miss not having to deal with field rotation but hated the heavier mounts and counterweights. Definitely considering the Star Adventurer GTi, but I would wait until I gather public opinion after it's available to see what people think about it.
Any more thoughts on the GTI? Did you end up getting it? I am also considering this mount but I'm just starting out and not sure whether to just get a good telescope for visual astronomy or to go for a mount and camera setup. I'd like to do both...enjoy the visual astronomy and observing, but also be able to take decent photos of planets and deep sky objects. I know doing both is difficult at a lower budget so aware I might be asking for too much!
thanks for the review and providing the details of the mount. This certainly apears to be a good travel mount, just 2 pounds heavier than sa2i. I also like the way you mounted the camera and samyang 135mm f/2.. I do have similar vixen dovetails, but it doesnt look so nice and doesnt has those markings.
Now that a number of people have received this mount and are collectively seeing issues in particular with the RA and DEC axis coming loose with a fair amount of play in them I'd be curious to see if you are now seeing the same thing? On CN you can search and see in particular a number of users have gone to opening up the mount and putting plumbers tape on the threads of the restraint bolts for both these axises, which appears to remedy this issue but users should not have to be cracking open their new mounts just to fix such a trivial issue that the manufacturer 1) Should have seen and 2) Should have fixed.
Really interested in your vixen plate/rail. Brand and model? Length? Looks perfect to mount the guider that way. Have othetwise been mounting it on an L-bracket at on side of the camera, but this seems more stable regarding where the center of gravity for the rig occurs.
I sold my old non-wifi star adventurer mount under a mount ago, after upgrading to a HEQ-5 goto synscan, but Imight get this one again. Glad I sold my old one before the GTI came out, because that might be nearly impossible to get rid off with this new (better) version!!
I just received my Star Adventurer GTI from the new production run and the single 2.5kg counterweight has been replaced by separate 0.7 and 1.6kg counterweights.
Hey Nico, thank you for another great review! You mention the Ioptron Smart EQ being a similar mount/competitor, however, what about Explore Scientific iEXOS-100…that seems to be a portable eq mount, but not much info/few reviews. Any familiarity with that mount…possible review from you? Also, I know you come down to my neck of the woods to image in Charlestown RI/Ninigret…hope to bump into you sometime.
Really appreciate all the superb videos you put out! After going back and forth, I think this would be a good first mount (once it becomes available) though the EQM-35 isn't that much more(?) My S1R and Sigma 150-600 is well under the limit, and still has room for adding some more gadgets I suppose. I know you can get a guide scope with camera, though I have to admit I'm still unclear on what exactly the benefit would be. I would love a super simple (most importantly fast) way of setting it up in terms of quickly locating polaris, not sure if that could be accomplished by that setup? (i.e. guide camera works with pc to do this?)
Yeah they are fairly similar in price and capability. Pros for the GTi: more portable, WIFI. Pros for the EQM-35: comes with hand controller, holds more weight. Personally, I also didn't like the design choice with the EQM-35 to have the partially exposed gearing, and having to connect bulky wires between the motor drives, but this may not bother you at all.
@@NebulaPhotos Thank you for the response! I'm binging on your videos now and figuring out everything about guidescopes, polar alignment, plate solving etc. lol
Thanks Nico, very nice video. Most times you have discussed comms using a windows platform. It would be nice to discuss comms with Apple Mac. Also please display what actually comes with the unit. Thanks would be grea.t
Great, and thorough "first impressions" Nico! I just found out about this mount from Dylan's Star Stuff video, and was immediately interested in knowing more. This looks like an airline transportable unit, so nice to see the SmartEQ comparison. Time to see how bad the Canadian price is....
Hi Nico. I’ve been following your channel since I stared2 years ago. I like the setup you have on this video with the cooled cam, filter wheel and DSLR lens. I know the video is about the mount but, can you please explain what adaptors you’re used to fit it all together. Thanks.
It will be interesting to see how a range of samples of the unit perform. I currently use the AZ-GTI with EQ firmware, reports have shown that unit has great variations in tracking error out of the box. This product does seem to fit a demand that the mods to the AZ-GTI firmware showed great interest in with a bonus of being actually designed for that purpose from the start.
Hi Niko, I have really enjoyed your reviews, this set up seems to be really good, love the tracking feature for a dead set newbie like me. Could you give a quick opinion, I have either a Canon D60 with a Eos 10-18mm F4 5-5.6 IS STM wide angle lens plus an EF 70-200 F4 telephoto lens. I also have a Nikon D5200 with a Sigma DC 18-250 3.5-6.3 telephoto lens and wondered if this set up would work for it or if I should go for the Mini AZ-GTi (mainly in relation to the balance issues with the counter weight of the new one). Happy sky snapping. Boofy.
@@NebulaPhotos Understood. It’s not your responsibility. I greatly appreciate your advice and opinions. Just being new to the hobby, like many and interested in this mount, I wouldn’t want to end up buying everything, having it ready to go, then learn that a main component up to 10 months away with no alternative but to wait.
I only recently got my 2i a few weeks ago… didn’t know this was in the works. It’s tempting, but I may hold off for a bigger mount since I’ll eventually want to mount bigger scopes to it.
Excellent first look, thank you! Could you not improve the backlash by using the backlash adjustment in the SynScan Pro app? The hand controller also has that adjustment, to give the Dec axis a short jolt to take out any hesitancy or delay, but still avoiding overshooting. Lots of people will want to know how it works with an ASiair, with it connected to your mobile device, so the GTi can’t be connected as well. Thanks!
Nice initial review! Is there any one of those trackers that doesn't need [visual] polar alignment? I have a somewhat decent view from my back balcony, but my neighbor's house blocks the view to Polaris...
Yes, see my follow-up review to the GTi where I compare it to the Benro Polaris: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fj3carj27ag.html The Benro Polaris does not require a view of Polaris to use it (I know - confusing product name). It's pretty cool, but also more expensive than any other small star tracker I know of because it does other things as well (automated panoramas, etc.).
Great vid Nico. Any updates on further testing that you mentioned ie the dec backlash tuning and the use of the USB port with a EQMod/NINA type setup. I have one on backorder and would like to know what to expect ;) Cheers man !
I need to test more. You might be able to just go with no counterweight at all, or someone mentioned iOptron sells lighter weights that should fit this bigger CW shaft.
Hi Nico! Love your content. As a newbie, there is some terminology that I'm unfamiliar with - in particular your use ot the terms "portal 8" and 'portal 4". I'm wondering if you can please explain what that means? Cheers!
Ah, sorry for the confusion. I'm saying 'Bortle 8' and 'Bortle 4' It's a commonly used scale for evaluating how dark a sky is at a given location. It goes from 1 (darkest) to 9 (brightest). Bortle 8 is a city sky. Bortle 4 is a rural sky.
Hi Nico and thanks a lot for the video! I've got one and i have one question: i've got a constant backslash on DEC, also with 100% aggressive. The photos are ok (also 300" shots) also polar alignment is very good. Do you have the same backslash or someone had it? Bye! Marco
Yes, at around 17:10 I mentioned I too got backlash in DEC, and that had an effect of long settle times if dithering in both axes. Haven't had time to see if I could tune it. Might just be the best the mount can do in such a small package at this price point.
The specific one I used I believe is a Losmandy V-series Universal 11" dovetail plate. But any brand's Vixen or "V" - type universal dovetail plate that is fairly long will work.
Nico, thank you for your review! From your experience w/ the GTI, how strict you think the 5 kg load weight limit is? My [500mm f/4 lens] plus [Vixen bar] + [camera] = 4.95 kg (!). I'd like to add the ASIAIR+, which is 0.30kg. The total would be 5.25 kg. Would that be doable? Thank you for your input.
Ops, correction: I forgot to add Finder+CCD, 0.5 kg. So the total w/o the ASIAIR will be already 5.20 kg... Would 5.20 kg work? I'd fix the ASIAIR somewhere else. Thanks again.
@@NebulaPhotos Nico, thanks for the reply! You're right; it's the guiding gear, a ZWO 30f4 scope w/ their 290mm Mini CCD, similar I think to what you showed in your review mounted on your Vixen bar. I'd be attaching that guiding gear to a Canon astro camera w/ an L-bracket. You're right; good balancing might be critical to avoid damaging any mount gear. Thanks.
Nico! Thank you for all of your videos! So helpful. I just bought the Sky Watcher SA GTI, but now I'm a little worried. I bought it because I was hoping to be able to do deep sky imaging with my big lens, AND wide field landscape Astrophotography, like I've been doing for years with yhe GTI. Your video has me very worried. Can the GTI still not support small loads like a Nikon Z7 and Nikkor Z 20mm 1.8? No new counterweight system or anything? Thanks either way! Clear skies!!!!
Yes, no problem. You have three options: 1. Use it without the counterweight shaft and counterweights entirely. For very light loads this is likely fine and won’t damage anything. 2. For ultra light loads, you can also try with the counterweight shaft installed, but no counterweight. The shaft itself will provide some weight. 3. You can order lighter counterweights that fit this shaft. Sky-watcher in the UK offers them, but if in the US, I’ve heard iOptron makes a 3lb. Weight that fits as well.
@@NebulaPhotos This is so great to hear. I am beyond excited to get it. I am also planning on using it to shoot the upcoming eclipse, so I need to get practicing. Thank you again for your reply, for this video, and for all other videos you make. You are an amazing resource. Clear skies!
Very nice first look at the product, thank you! Do you think this is still usable on an image scale of 2 arc seconds or is this pushing the limits too far? Does it use an RJ45 cable for the hand controller / eqmod or is it the RJ16 found on the AZ-GTI? Since the price is already quite close to the EQ-35 a comparison between the two would be very interesting. I'm very happy to hear that goto accuracy is quite good, it was less than decent on my AZ-GTI sample. Looking forward to further videos and your further experience with it.
Hi Nico - thanks for the great review. I'm curious if there is an existing adapter, or some other way, to mount a PoleMaster polar scope to this mount? Mike
I am looking forward to a full review. I need a new small mount for astro outreach. I want to make it has good go to and tracking accuracy, full ASCOM, etc.
Wow .. that picture @ 1:00 in a bortle 8 is not bad I guess.. so I will be good - ish in my bortle 8-9 location .. ( ... there are no spots under B3 in the Netherlands :D ) And I am near Rotterdam
Awesome Video Nico! what i would love to know about the mount it is, what the heighest Payload is, for example can it still handle a 80 oder even 90mm Scope? And can you still take good pictures with that? And if you go past that weight can you can still use it for visual astronomy? I ask this because for me and probably lots of other people this will be theyre first EQ Mount for astrophotography and visual astronomie as it has go to functions and overall seems very beginner friendly. Thanks alot for your work Nico :)
Based on the intro video by Sky Watcher, it should handle a 80 or 90mm scope. SW tested it with a 600F4 prime lens and it worked well. An 80 and 90mm scope is under the payload capacity.
@@NebulaPhotos No I have not. I know at the last NEAF that we had they really pushed them at the booth. Then I have not heard much since. I periodically get annoyed with the ASIAIR because of its finicky wifi that drops all the the time. And I have the Plus model and it is still an issue. I think it is their drivers. Plus there are a few cameras out there from QHY and that I would love to try.
