Governor Vs No-Governor Shootout On 2 Identical Mini Bikes! | Is It Worth It! 

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@Chad Kunka fr lmao

I couldn't believe it 😲 taking the engine out, and apart ?? I'm thinking wtf all they had to do was disconnect the linkage from the carburetor to the gov and that's it, now it's a major to put it back to original if you don't want it to blow up, as the rev limiter stops the oil flying out too far and away from the big end bearing.

@@simonallan9941 so,thicker oil??

I have a ct200u that does 60kmph with the governor off so how does a 100 keep up with cars?

@@benderksen9455 must be a slow car

Cardi B he probably isn’t testing his CT100 on the highway

Man, I removed the engine, now my Coleman goes over 100mph, with the brake on !

I took the governor out of my coleman ct200u and now it wants to take off on it own. Does anyone know how to fix it?

All irrelevant. Its not a GX160/200 or a Briggs Animal. Its a Chinesium clone that cost $100. Valves will float at or around 5500 rpms, sounds like a high speed misfire, meaning its time to get off the gas. Conrods fail from incorrect oil levels. Flywheels......show me where one turned to shrapnel and ill buy ya a beer.

That’s the chain

You're both wrong. It is the chrome cap on the fake gas tank. 11:45. You can see it flopping about and thr noise lines up with its movements.

Unless you increase compression or advance the spark timing there is no point in using a higher octane fuel

Both suck.

if it popped during acceleration , yeah. the popping when they let off the throttle is because its rich, the extra fuel is being burned in the exhaust pipe

@@Ieatpeople2 nah but either way it isnt running right

What you hear is rattling from the governor arm still being attached and inside the engine, they should have removed it but didn't.

73s from Hillsboro Texas!

It's due to improper gearing with that size tire, I have a 212 clone with 18" tires that will do around 40mph and still has just enough torque to spin the rear wheels a little on dirt. Its geared too high too. Depending on your chain profile something like a 10t clutch paired with a 70t or more axle sprocket will make it take off much better, but decrease your top speed all with 18" tires. Same sprockets on say an 8" tire will stand it straight up but top out at like 15 mph.

Andrew Savage yeah I know, it’s designed for a torque converter but had a clutch in hand which has burnt up now 😂 torque converter is next 👍🏽

@@freedomisntfree_44 mine is running a centrifugal clutch not a converter.

I'd be scared #@$%less to drive one of these tiny bikes that fast. I have one (212 with gov) and im leaving it like that cause I dont fancy roadrash. I have a KTM dirtbike if I want to go fast.

I've heard this is only an issue if you change the valve springs to stiffer springs, as at about 4800rpm or so the valves float and restrict really moving higher. I've heard this more than a few times on RU-vid and forums however i have not removed mine yet to really see. I've got a predator 79cc and a Tecumseh h35 and will admit the flywheel on the h35 is alot more solid looking. may try with that.

And a new rod get a billet rod too

think itd have the power to screw the flywheel over ? jus a thought i had

Been running mine for a year stock with governor bypassed, my clutch is burnt, my tires are bald, and my chain tensioner chewed itself in half. engine is perfectly fine

@@anonymousproductions1792 Billet alumunium rod?? why not forged steel rod then, more robust and had High Fatigue range, not like alu does, easily fatigue cause it's was alu, even rod had silicon on it.

>in your profile pic and videos you're wearing a helmet

skin grafts are cool too.

Chad Kunka nah a helmet saved my life 2x

Drain Bramage!

Only if your a bad driver

CM .265" cam, 1.3 rockers on NON hemi engine= .345" lift at valve with 26# springs. that is the most lift some believe that does any good without RADICAL head work (welding/machining of head). port/smooth intake/exhaust, remove "step" from bowl to tract. dimple intake port like golf ball to keep flow turbulent to mix air/fuel going into motor. Billet rod as all is for naught if rod breaks and ruins motor. $65 for std, .020" or .040" longer BILLET ROD. extra jets for carb... to get light tan plug, not black plug from too much gas not enough fuel= backfire thru exhaust as unburned gas out exhaust pipe gets air and explodes, annoying. E 85... with A LOT BIGGER JETS as alchol doesn't have the BTU's of gas, methanol. that is hard on rubber parts and not recommended per sticker on the motor... NO E 85. a little 2 smoke oil in the gas to lubricate things better? 1:100 ratio?

What mini bike is that?

if going to open up the sidecover to do the gov removal... might as well have the $45 CM .265" lift cam ready to put in there, 26# springs ($8/pair), cut 3/8" off oil dipper on rod cap so it doesn't hit the bottom of the motor when u are SCREAMING the motor and break off the rod cap/ruins the motor. $65 for Billet rod isn't too bad though, have to have 12 Point 10 mm socket and HF $10 torque wrench (with coupon) oil on the threads and under the bolt head so don't get false torque readings when torqing the bolts/nuts to recommended torque. 17 ft /lbs is the torque for the side cover bolts and the head bolts... unless use head studs then 23 Ft/lbs of torque in a criss cross pattern. .009 head gasket, PORT the head STAY AWAY FROM VALVE SEATS!!!!!!!!! they are HARD... but not that hard. the ticket, some think, is the NON hemi head on the HEMI block and its flat top piston for better compression. the NON hemi head flows well enough, but ppl hear HEMI and think... WOOOOOO HOOOOO 1000 more HP!!!!! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT... but the WEDGE head is not a bad head on the NON hemi engine. on those mini bikes... they cum with 196cc engine... the STANDARD is the PREDATOR 212cc engine and that is what HOT ROD PARTS are available for to the MAX. the 196cc???? I don't know... I don't think it takes HEMI parts???? might take NON hemi parts... run it til it blows up and then get PREDATOR 212 @ HF with coupon for $107 OTD (out the door). break in for 3 hours on home made test stand out of 4- 2' long 1x1" legs and a 1' square table top out of plywood... with a shelf under it for tools/oil/parts/etc. change oil after 30 mins. several 5 minute easy runs to heat/cool cycles.... then gradually WIND IT UP... I could wait that long... before my fat finger was under the gas tank overriding the governor and the E bay tach was reading.... 5800.... 6000RPM's. but reading on karting.4cycle.com PREDATORS... ppl say that valves bounce off the seat at 5400 rpm and that is as fast as it will go with stock springs. they make 12.8# HD springs for a little more UMPH... or 12.8# (on the seat) springs 12.8i (improved) for stock karting applications that may or may not pass tech inspection. 22# springs for 6500 but max lift is .... .315" at valve? 26# springs max lift is ~ .415" @ valve but HARD to get the keepers in without that 3rd hand and arm to push down spring and get the keepers ON THE VALVE stem and not have the spring SHOOT the keepers... in your eye... across the room... never to be seen again... unless in ur eye. safety glasses are cheap, glass eyes and seeing eye dogs are generally cumbersome and don't work as well as ... normal eyes.

@@hezekiahjohnston8360 chill

hezekiah johnston you have too much time on your hands lol

Eli Snell see he’s truck

I got 3 1978 Yamaha three wheelers. They have never let me down and they’re a lot of fun

@@marcodegiovanni9573 the old 225cc ones or am I thinking of those black Kawasaki ones??

Bill Allen yea. All three are 225s

I've got an '89 warrior 350 and I love it

Me too!!! He was whiskey throttle all the way lol

Lmfao his mind went blink

Same

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What type of bike is it

That sucks who ever stole it must have been a real douche 😐

@@fullsendtv101 all theifs are douche.

I ride it everyday🤣

If you come back to this please answer my question I got an old mini bike and I want to take the governor out of the engine would it still explode or is it just for the governor rod

@@sam66417 but what I was asking was when the engine it can get up to high RPMs which can cause parts to break and I could get things like valve flutter or the flywheel can break or just other parts can break because the engine can’t handle the speed and the RPM so I guess what I’m asking is there a way where I can do this for free without my engine falling apart and breaking

Yes they did. 🤦🏻‍♂️

Leaving that linkege and arm in would be a good way to damage internal parts

they tied it back so it wouldnt move.

How would you have done it? Serious question. I Have a predator212 on a db30 that I'm considering removing the governor on.

XD don't kid yourself, its not fine, its what you make it, truth is do you want to baby a 100 dollar engine for no reason because you got it for a 100 bucks or buy the extra 300 to 500 extra dollars to make a real bamf engine to take what ever amount of donuts or make some fast laps at the track

@mike stradling Just stop.

@@doodlebug6833 ...most likely id buy an actual Honda or an Animal. If im gutting a Predator 212cc engine for the sake of polishing a "turd", well, you get what you pay for. Rip out the gear, reroute the throttle and let the valves float be your warning system. Tell me one place to get non anecdotal evidence of grenaging flywheels. Ill wait.

Nope im 170 and its the same for me here. Edit I just realized this comment was 2 years ago…

@@everettstormy how would it granade?

you caught my attention with the polaris sportsman clutch.. can you tell me more? im assuming these are for 1 inch cranks yes? a real clutch would make many projects/toys possible..and ty in advance. Also tech tip for you builders,old >plastic dirt bike gas tanks< fit the baja warrior frames Quite Nicely and look good too.

how fast it go now?

Go go go!!!!!

I'm 67 and I love mine. Hitting 40mph on any minibike feels like 60mph. The most fun you can have with your clothes on ☺️

alex macy tuck n ROLL

Rod and flywheel are unecessary unless you are spinning 6 grand at the track continuously and are trying NOT to float the valves. Stop spreading misinformation.

Lol

Lmao they aren't riding motorcycles tho and I've put down both sliding a mini bike isn't nowhere near as bad as sliding a motorcycle and you don't really need that much protection especially since mini bikes are severely underpowered

I thought this was America, where you are free to live your life how you see fit?

Bro this comment had me dead

Same

That's not exactly a true statement. The governor is there as a means of automatic throttle control. It will react to changes in load at a fixed throttle position. Not allowing too high a rev is just a nice side note to their functionality. These engines were not designed for mini bikes and go karts. They are utility engines that are used to power equipment that do not have top speed and high RPM in mind. 3600 RPM has been a standard for decades and the engines are designed around that RPM. With the governor fine tuning screw you can set the governor to react at a multiple range of RPM values at full throttle including RPM higher than 3600. The governor will even react to a change in load at any fixed throttle position. It's not there for full throttle only. With the Honda designed throttle arrangement on these engines the governor is responsible for closing the throttle to idle at the moment of startup after the choke is manually opened. Yes, the governor does function at idle. The governors automatic operation is not very desirable in a variable throttle application like a mini bike or go karts where people want full control over their throttle. This full control allows higher RPM's than a governed engine would allow and is the reason people want to disable or remove them.

the governor Is there to meet epa grandfather standards. other bike like the yamaha tw 200 and the old Honda off road mopeds. they met minimum pollution standards in 1984. and because they've had no changes in motor design the do not have to comply with modern standards. and China does not give any fucks , and has been copying small Honda motors for 50 ÷ years

Not all of them are plastic.

Add 18 pound value springs

still dont want to be floating those valve springs, btw its valve not value

you can explain it to them but you can't make them understand it!

Look at the cam gear in this motor was plastic ,,,,,,,,, stock has a plastic ,,,,,, hemi has steel

Because then the rod would be loose, and free to contact the crankshaft. The arm/linkage assembly holds the rod against the governor gear which in turn holds the gear in place. Those pieces all work together and must be removed together.

Agreed however predator engines are cheap so if it last for a while and they get their use out of it, it may be worth it

Anything can break really. They last if they aren’t running at high rpms, but things just rattle apart otherwise.

Mini Bike Madness that is definitely the solution. The people watching the video that don’t know that should probably be informed though. It’s also recommended to replace the piston rod, and get a carb build kit with a new main jet. More valve tension adds resistance to the cam/crank and requires more fuel/air to run higher rpms within a proper air/fuel ratio.

Amante Apasionado thanks for the info

Im trying to find out to

higher RPMS create more HP. the engine is rated at 6.5hp.... at 3600rpms, if you're spinning faster than that, youre getting more HP. a.k.a removing the governor does gain HP...

Jason Tamsett not how that works

10 mph more

Because the governors usually break apart inside at high rpms if you don’t take them out

Depends on whether you want shrapnel in your crank case or not🤔

Gearing.

Those motors are so cheap, sure seems like a whole lot of worrying..... There are new cams with metal timing gears available, and tuning the carb is easy....

Toby 43 Yes. It governs how high the engine can rev, kinda like a car rev limiter. If you take the limited out, the engine can rev higher, but also cause damage. If this mod is done, install stiffer valve springs keep

It's designed as a rev limiter to prevent the oil from flying out too far and away from the bearings and oil pickup for top end and also it has all its torque below that anyway 😉 better off just gearing it up for higher top speed.