GPT-4 Makes Old ChatGPT Look Like a JOKE! 

Nick, in the future, what you can also do is tell it to continue from the beginning of method 'x'. This will fix the issue of the code blocks getting thrown off as it will return a statement of "Ok, I will continue from method" first and ensure code blocking is correct.

I think though as long as these remain text generators, we'll be fine. You can't take instructions and build an app alone, you still need to follow them and address any issues, just like how there are articles out there with the same detailed guides. But it'll SERIOUSLY amplify the productivity of anyone who uses this. How this will affect the industry I have no idea, but I hope it'll be for the better and we simply just produce stuff faster, and more reliably.

@@codewithstephen6576 I've unsubbed because of the clickbait titles and thumbnails. It's a shame because the guy appears to be a reasonable programmer in some areas. Hopefully the notifications will stop bringing me back shortly...

how can i adapt to a world where everything, EVERYTHING, i can do a machine can do better and faster? we're headed towards a dystopia, millions middle class jobs will be cancelled (not just devs), by several of reckless big tech companies with a history of unethical business conduct. and nobody seems to be concerned

Won’t your career be in danger too? What are the solutions? Cause this just sounds like cheap clickbait.

Welcome to the industry that's been about to make all programmers redundant since the early 80s.

I don't think so, that its gone a happen so quickly, you have still time, but harry up. Finish is about 2-4 years )

Perfectly placed to learn and embrace the new stuff. It is the guys who's experience just got devalued who have to worry.

AI isn't ur enemy here, it's the endless job requirements and needed at least 15+ years experience that will get you :p

TwoMinutesOrLess In 10 years lots of people will loose their job to AI so keep grinding

Don't lie

20 years here. Delphi, C and Rust developer. CGPT has helped me understand some topics I found complex and has made me a better developer. I just hope it doesn't take my job one day.

I use it mostly for reading library docs and for writing tests, and yeah this thing is scary af

@@thatsalot3577 I also use it for writing unit tests. I usually have to modify them a little bit, but they're basically amazing and save a lot of time.

Same here. But I work too much even with AI generated code

prompt engineering is the new job right now. I mean as long as general purpose AI doesn't occur then the big company still need a bunch of Einstein to make it happen, so maybe we still have a chance 🤔

As an AI language model, I can understand your concerns about the increasing role of automation and AI in the creative process. While AI has made significant advances in the fields of image and speech recognition, natural language processing, and decision-making, it is still far from completely replacing human creativity. In fact, AI and humans can complement each other in many ways. For example, AI can help automate repetitive tasks and provide insights based on large datasets, while humans can bring creativity, intuition, and empathy to the problem-solving process. In other words, AI can be a powerful tool for enhancing human creativity, rather than replacing it. However, I also understand your concern about the need for transparency and control over AI systems. It is important to ensure that these systems are designed and implemented in an ethical and responsible manner, with clear guidelines and oversight. Open-source platforms can be one way to promote transparency and accountability, as they allow for community collaboration and scrutiny. Overall, I believe that the future of AI and human creativity will be a collaborative one, where AI serves as a tool for enhancing human creativity rather than replacing it, and where transparency and ethical considerations are paramount.

Yeah these systems will not just replace programmers but they will replace pornstars, onlyfan models, they will create ALL content on the internet at a whim, type what you want and it creates it.

@@user-eo1vk This is a nice and beautiful example of reply from an AI model. But, should we believe what it says? Should we take into account these words? Of course not. At least at this point, my question, should be answered by humans first, because it concerns humans on the first place.

This is EXACTLY what Elon has been warning about for years. If it's privatized, we're done for.

If coding teaches you how to think you probably should not get into software engineering. Software Engineering requires good thinking and there is not a lot you can do to improve your inteligence.

@@btm1 thats absolutely wrong. Logycal thinking is something that the more you do, the better you get at. Our brain has neuronal plasticity, so it adapts to the environment.

@@btm1 intelligence = knowledge

@@btm1 that's incredibly way off. Here are some facts, not opinions. What we consider intelligence is generally dictated by our neural connectivity. i.e. how well connected your neurons are connected to one another. We can create new neural pathways, that's how you learn stuff. And repeating stuff strengthens the pathways, that's why you improve in something the more you do it. Yes, some people have higher genetic potential, but you can still massively improve at something mentally and be considered more "intelligent" by simply training. That's why it's highly recommended for old people to keep mentally active.

@@btm1 it's obvious from your statement that you have never truly put years into anything difficult.. And even people with an IQ of 150 can still devote time to do something that they find difficult and grow through the experience...

Not a coding assistant. Just an assistant. In every scope.

I highly suggest you still take the time to understand the code. Writing code is easy. Reading code is a whole other story.

No, your unemployment would be the future.

​@@ilovetech8341 that's the point. And the current AIs far far far away from understanding complex things, I mean they don't understand anything to be precise

@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Then just create your own company and that should be OK.

Give it about a month.

@@stepbackandthink A month is a bit short, no? I would expect premium products to be able to accomplish this next year at the earliest - more likely within the next 3 years. Edit: Unless you use something like Github Copilot where its only task is to parse the code and provide answers. But something general purpose like how chat gpt is now will take some time before being able to be used like that

It'll be easier to fully replace the legacy code base from scratch using AI.

Would be cool if it could comprehend your whole legacy repository.

The old model actually did that pretty well, this one given that it can take in context documents with 10K+ words in it fine will only be better. Actually considering buying plus, just to see if it can refactor my shitty code from my projects.

good point

ChatGPT, clearly

AI of course, as it gets better it will be able to handle more complex tasks and it doesn't even take a lot of time. ChatGPT was released in Dec 2022 and we have this now. It's only been about 3 months

I think this is the main problem we are facing and we are going to fail to address it hard given human greedy nature. It's not just about developers. It's about every single profession whose entry levels are going to be replaced by AI. Artists, Developers, Copy Writers and the list goes on and on. Those jobs will soon be gone due to cost optimisations and once that happens in x years people to actually handle all those systems will be nowhere to be found.

Writing IAC and knowing how to scale an API are not straightfowards tasks at all. Neither are Integration nor performance tests.

It is an interesting question indeed, we already have a huge shortage of Senior Developers! ChatGPT will just make this shortage even worse in the long run.

that answer to your question is very simple: we don't replace most seniors because the no. of jobs required in the future will continue to drop due to automation of the field.

Slash the # of developers and you slash the training data like stackoverflow used to train these models. How do they train them without massive amounts of training data?

@@nedames3328 that's a problem for the future... that will be pushed out, years away

I like your analogy.

You are right that software development is not just about coding, but also about understanding and analyzing requirements, designing solutions, and testing and verifying the software. While AI language models like ChatGPT can help accelerate the coding part of the job, they may not be as useful in other areas such as requirement gathering and analysis. In fact, AI language models like ChatGPT are not a replacement for human expertise and creativity, but rather a tool that can help augment and accelerate certain aspects of software development. They can help generate code or suggest potential solutions, but they cannot replace the need for human developers to analyze requirements, design solutions, and ensure that the software meets the needs of the users and the business. Therefore, it's important for developers to develop a range of skills beyond just coding, including the ability to communicate effectively with stakeholders, analyze requirements and design solutions, and ensure that software is tested and validated to meet the needs of the users and the business. Ultimately, it's the combination of human expertise and AI tools that will enable developers to build high-quality software that meets the needs of the users and the business.

And reduce the value also. Also, Crane on a construction site didn't replace everyone, but now, a single person operating it, is a replacement of hundreds of workers. Downsizing, more competition, lessened value is what we will face at some point

@@randompoop1565 Did ChatGPT generate that comment?

@@teamdoodz Why don't you ask ChatGPT

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yup. just coding equivalent of SEO

You're pretty lucky you didn't have to worry about something replacing you. I'm a CS student and I'm pretty concerned about this

Coper. People seem to be willingly ignorant how things are going to progress and how fast.

This would only reassure very senior engineers who are still wilfully ignorant about how fast things are progressing. Juniors are rightly terrified - from a technical coding perspective there's slim chance of them learning faster than AI is progressing in this field. Even trying to do an end-run by focusing on domain knowledge seems doomed.

@@bokkeman123 just learn to work with the tool, that's my point. You'll probably start seeing workplaces offer you chatpgt plus with your resharper license when you join a company.

@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Hyper. People seem to be willingly hyper about a progression curve they know 0 about

@@youtubehatesfreespeech2555 Only developers are stupid enough to create somethings that will render them useless in a couple of years. So yes I can fully understand the people that cope.

Yes, but all that means is that an organisation needs less programmers overall - so there will be less jobs available.

@@Retrohertz If we wrote software like we did 30 years ago then we would need 100 times more people doing the job today than what they actually do. Work developers have to do have already went down tremendously yet number of developers have only grown. Because ultimately it is the opposite problem. It is not about there being a constant amount of work and x amount of developers. The amount of work changes. We have way more projects than we had in the past and we will have way more projects in the future than we have today. Simply because financial bareer to built new apps will go down significantly so it will make more sense to built more stuff. This means that even if projects will now require 2 people instead of 5, it does not matter if for every such project there are 3 in the future.

That accountant and calculator example has no zero relation to AI and its impact. We don't call it "AI" without reason. By the way, calculator made many companies obsolete. There were many that did manual calc work, accounting firms outsourced much of that work. With invention of calculator all those companies went broke.

You can fire all your software devs and hire one Nick and he builds your product with gpt 4

@@loremipsum3147 lets me honest, you have no idea what software development is

I heard McDonald's hiring.

It's not the 100% elimination of the need for humans. It's the 80% elimination of humans not needed because you need 1 or 2 people for the 10 you need now and those 1 or 2 people are the elite of the pack. The other 8 or 9 out of 10 people then have to become plumbers or working retail at Sacks 5th Avenue.

@@dwcola yea thats what most people didnt understand. AI not gonna eliminate jobs. It ll reduce it. And AI is not just another tool . Its an advanced intelligence that have potential to replace humans as the most intelligent species on the planet

@@dwcola this is exactly why it is so scary and its not just coding it is the same in every knowledge industry, moreover its still time to reach end of 2023 may be next version will cross all the barriers

How will new developers get skills to do code reviews and fine tuning if they don't get experience?

​@@RonaldDraxer-rb4qm The LLM version of AI isn't the advanced intelligence kind. It is an industrial revolution type of efficiency gain in programming, but it can't advance the art. I've been playing with it and it can't even really understand working code when it's complex enough. My test was trying to get it to generate a working unit test. It could not, even as I deconstructed the task. You still need a person to understand what it is doing. Spitting out the unit test framework and saving a ton of busy work was it's forte.

What does it analyze?

I totally agree with you. Basically what we are seeing right now: people producing open source code, that actually works, and getting replaced (or at least harmed) by this new tech, The Karma for devs came too fast hahaha lol, the same thing happened to the Artists and most of "we" laughed/ignored that situation, and now, we are here, stuck on the same situation.

I don't give a damn about your closed source 'professional level' code and I hope you're chocking on it. Even if they trained they rearanged and mixed the information from a sea of code. WIthout people sharing you'd prob still be playing with a heat brick that generate pixel art

That would not be enough, you would lack the insane ability to reason, calculate, and more than the AI has. It would take you forever to do a little bit of math that the AI does in a millisecond. And your brain wouldn't be able to store all that information either. Let's face it, we're just meat bags becoming irrelevant.

Or as I call it ... COBOL Syndrome.

While it's true that AI is rapidly advancing and has the potential to automate many tasks, including software development, it's important to keep in mind that AI is not a panacea and there are still many tasks that require human expertise and creativity. For example, while AI language models like ChatGPT can generate code, they may not be able to understand the full context of a project, including the business requirements, the technical constraints, and the user needs. They may also struggle with tasks that require creativity, such as designing a user interface or developing a novel algorithm. Furthermore, it's worth noting that the development process is not just about writing code, but also about analyzing requirements, designing solutions, testing and verifying the software, and collaborating with other team members. These tasks require a range of skills that are not easily replicated by AI. That being said, it's certainly possible that AI will play an increasingly important role in software development in the future, and developers may need to adapt and learn new skills in order to remain competitive. However, it's unlikely that AI will completely replace human developers, and there will always be a need for human expertise and creativity in the software development process.

@@randompoop1565 Did you really have to use chatgpt to write that text lol

AI admin, that's a good idea

@@tvojtatko123 he really thought that removing the “in conclusion” paragraph would make it more low key 😂

Well, if AI is indeed replacing everything, I guess we're all just a few lines of code away from getting six-pack abs and a mansion on Mars, am I right? 😄 But seriously, I can already see the movie titles now: "Artificial Intelligence Saves Christmas" or "The AI Who Loved Me." Move over, Hollywood! We've got algorithms in the director's chair! As for the devs, who needs human developers when you can have a legion of AI administrators? I mean, imagine the water cooler conversations at work: "Hey Siri, did you catch the latest episode of 'Westworld'? Oh, wait, you are the Westworld!" 🤖 Oh and by the way, it's a gpt-4 answer

I think companies would rather try and make do with a few SENIOR devs and rather replace the juniors with AI tools.

"stack overflow on steroids" is my current view as well. By looking at my daily work, the total number of line code I produced is not a big number. Most of time is to understand existing code base in different components/subsystems in a big distributed system, and identify what is wrong or missing. I don't see how ChatGPT can help me for that because even if I try to explain it my co-worker, it might require white board 😪

i think you speak too soon...look we r just a week into this...comment from september 2024...about LLm's....they will be kinda better then

Reasonable take which I agree with.

Reasonable take which I agree with.

Now yes, but if you wait a couple of years what will happen then? The consequences will be enormous. I see two scenarios one with mass unemployment i.e everybody go basic income and the wealth is consolidared to a few. But there will be a nisch like the amish that will live in the old economy. Or second scenario where everybody will be able to create anything. Which will lead to an abundance of goods and services. Imagine you want to build a car, you can now get the design, drawbacks drawing, the specs and 3d print it. If you want to make a movie, you can write your own storyline, who should play what role and how they should play it. I don’t know what the next generation will do.

Ironman's AI assistant.

It depends on the complexity of the job. For most stuff all it requires is a beginner developer, especially if the language is one the developer is familiar with.

@@loot6 I disagree. A beginner developer can't possibly evaluate the result for being actually good or not.

Great point. Just not a new point. If you learned how to search the internet when it came out, if you learned how to ask the right questions, you have been ahead of the curve before this thing.

It was also trained using uploaded code, so because commercial code was not used as training model it will do really bad in real-life commercial stuff.

It's true, but imho it's only a matter of time that it can connect to a codebase and understand it instantly, then a refactor that would cost 1 year of dev time could be done in 10mins, and adding features would be easy as connecting it to the Ticket manager so it can read and execute the tickets.

And how often do we write overly-simplified Movie databases? :)

Now imagine an IDE plugin that's a hybrid of GitHub Copilot and ChatGPT

I’ve actually used it to provide legacy code and have it review it and refactor it. It is really good at it

Github copilot x

Correct

Also replace our projects with my company projects. You'll be working as an AI director in a company with team size of 1. You'll report directly to the CEO and monitor your AI devs each day. Just ensure that your employer does not replace you when chatGPT version 100 is rolled out.

The best part of integrating this into an IDE is that the AI won't HAVE TO know the entire context of an existing project, as long as the programmer is working with enough skill at design patterns to use interfaces and perform things like dependency injection, which will drastically reduce the surface area of the context it will need to program. TL:DR ChatGPT with Separation of Concerns will reduce the number of credits used to help with programming.

I agree that the role of a developer can evolve over time, from a junior developer to a senior developer, as they gain more experience and expertise in the field. As for the question of automation in software development, it's true that coding can be seen as a mechanical task that is well-suited for automation. However, as you pointed out, requirements gathering and analysis is not as easily automated. This is because requirements gathering involves understanding the needs of the users and the business, and translating those needs into specific software functionality. This requires a deep understanding of the problem domain and the ability to communicate effectively with stakeholders. While AI language models like ChatGPT can assist with generating code, they are not as well-suited for requirements gathering and analysis. This task requires human expertise and creativity, as well as the ability to communicate effectively with others. Therefore, while automation can certainly help accelerate certain aspects of software development, it is unlikely to completely replace the need for human developers. Instead, it will likely augment and enhance their abilities, enabling them to work more efficiently and effectively in collaboration with AI tools.

@@randompoop1565 thanks for the response chatgpt

> What is not suitable for automation is requirements, that is specifying in detail the software functionality This is just an "idea guy" thing that can be done by the client or business people and not require a developer. All the technical work is going to go away. 2023/2024 we automate the junior developers, 2025 the senior, by 2028 even the idea guy is gone.

@@MiraPloy I still think we need technical people. Keep in mind it doesn't actually do those things, it's just generating text, and while detailed and comprehensive, I doubt non-techincal people would be able to follow. We have wiki's, guides, and articles that we use already which are the same, but with a much narrower scope. I think in order for this to be properly effective you need both the model and the person who is also able to learn from it. The way I think about it, is this is a tool that turns juniors into seniors.

@@drmonkeys852 I think you can trivially imagine an app that takes the AI output, have AI create tests, and then automatically test and compile it. Sorry mate there is no saving humanity, it will all get automated.

Only a matter of time.

I can see few years from now some would try to integrate it to other software.

Already waiting for a basic income salary from gov :D

@@scoff7032 ‘Fraid so, bud.

Requirement defining is an art. There are a variety of requirements that range in terms of complexity. Hence a product manager or BA is much more relevant than the coder (am aware am naming it coder, because in most of the backend jobs in India it's just coding that they do, no thinking), this can replace crazy bunch

That is what the product manager does.

Well said! It will not replace us, but slowly as our jobs get easier, the pay might get lower. The thing we will be paid for is for clients to have a human to interact with. It will take decades for AI to be considered trustworthy.

I agree that software development has undergone a lot of changes over the past few decades, and it is likely to continue evolving rapidly in the years to come. As you mentioned, the development of complex systems is likely to become more focused on solution and system design, with coding becoming more abstracted away. This shift is already happening in some areas of software development, with the rise of low-code and no-code platforms that allow non-technical users to build software solutions using drag-and-drop interfaces and pre-built components. These platforms abstract away much of the coding details, allowing users to focus more on the solution and system design. However, it's worth noting that even as software development becomes more focused on solution and system design, there will still be a need for developers with deep technical expertise to build and maintain the underlying infrastructure and components. As with any technological shift, there will be new opportunities for developers to learn and adapt their skills to meet the changing needs of the industry. Ultimately, the future of software development is likely to be shaped by a range of factors, including technological advancements, changing business needs, and evolving user expectations. Developers will need to stay current with the latest trends and technologies, and continue developing their skills and expertise in order to remain competitive in the job market.

@@randompoop1565 Stop sharing that ChatGPT generic bullshit.

@@jendabekCZ Why not? Sooner or later, all your responses will be from chatgpt…

@@randompoop1565 Haha, why do you think so?

Floor sort!

Scary/funny that you asked this 4 days ago and already the new Plugins are in play to fetch live data from the internet. Any online doc for a language will be found and parsed...

Yes, prostitution might still be a thing. And plumber.

Dude, use this to build projects that matter. You have knowledge of how things work, now use gpt to expedite those projects and build things that actually matter. This is far better than being a grunt worker

@@Mosern1977 ever seen ex machina ? Prostitution will be obsolete too one day

@@Mosern1977 Not with sex robots, and labor robots that will soon be in the rise.

@@wantedsavage7776 - I for one welcome our AI overlords.

Dude, it's been 2 days 😂. What are you talking about??

that is because this tech is in its infancy. Tech evolves pretty fast, I'm a student and it already knows more and does more than most students I know. 5 years from now it will be drastically improved.

​@@d_pratik1 this

Then the CEO can just fire everyone and run the entire company himself. Heck... maybe the AI can run its own business.

@@ilovetech8341 yeah the idea would be that using prompts you could make an application write itself...and improve itself over time. Maybe use user feedback to implement its own features, feed any errors back into itself to fix, etc.

The same promise was made when Cobol came out in the 60s. "Everyone can write computer programs now because it's just simple english" Turns out they couldn't because you still need to know how to properly define the requirements and algorithms for the software. Unless clients suddenly learn how to absolutely exactly define their needs in software, AI isn't going to take over software development anytime soon. It's just another very helpful tool for the software engineers. But it doesn't replace them in any way.

I did this with chatgpt3 to build a tic-tac-toe game. It built something functional with a gui and mouse support, tests, and documentation in under an hour.

@@Youcef8830 yea... until you have to make one little change and it takes days because you never understood the code to begin with.

Was that version 4?

ChatGPT will now require a different skill set. The ability to use language to specify requirements very precisely is of utmost importance. You'd be surprised at the sophisticated things ChatGPT can code, once you get the knack of communicating with it properly.

@@Steve-xh3by - "pretty please with sugar on top"

Yet stopping progress is equally terrifying. We can only move forwards and hope for the best and deal with problems as they come.

yeah you have to remember what ia gives us is what we humans gave him. If in the next years, nobody shares any code or help each other because we can all rely on IA, soon enough IA will have outdated data and no new data to consume. Using IA is killing IA

Good point - coding will become less and less 'opinionated' in this way, as more GPT code is fed back into the knowledgebase. Developers will be left with coding completely novel solutions, which will in turn be added to the GPT knowledgebase and homogenized

Thats a good point

Completely agree with this. Using Chat-GPT is like giving developers access to a more senior developer that can assist them all day, every day at the click of a button. That more senior developer isn't always right, but they can definitely help you solve problems faster than doing it alone.

but they wont need all of you to do the work. It will be just a few senior programmer who will replace the rest

Sorry to brake it to you but that's wishful thinking. Business will remove a lot of people. Senior developers will be the ones taking the wheel. People that are currently doing Uni are going to be outdated if it keeps evolving this fast. Sure it's a great tool that can help us a lot, but it's also our enemy.

Copium

Lol sure

You are right, but companies will need far fewer developers. It's like farming - what used to take 100 men all day to harvest now takes 1 dude with a tractor a couple hours.

Agreed - Whilst you *could* replace juniors in the short-term, today's juniors are tomorrow's mid-level and seniors. Experienced developers have to cut their teeth somewhere. I can see a time where this becomes the go-to place for information, surplanting Stack overflow. It would also be good for reducing the load of senior devleopers when mentoring juniors.

Agree 100%

Couldn’t agree more

It won't replace (for now) but over time it will significantly reduce the need for many junior positions. Considering how fast AI tech is growing, next 10 years we will witness complete shift in this field. I see programming field suffering from "COBOL syndrome". It's still there but only few know how to work with it (only the most skilled ones). When you have such powerful AI "tools" many young people will be demotivated to pursue Computer Science degrees. Think how much you have to learn and all the free time you have to sacrifice. And for what ? Just so one day you can become obsolete ? Honestly, if I had to choose today I think I would rather go into medicine or something where automation has limited impact. I am (fortunately) retiring after 2 decades in telecom engineering and SW developing. My advice to all CS juniors; be smart and avoid CS like a plague.

When a business gets to the point where they would normally consider hiring a new junior developer, but now they can put that off because their current developer can use AI to increase their productivity, that junior developer has effectively been replaced.

Your time is definitely not wasted. The world needs devs to go through the junior -> intermediate -> senior steps still because it's your creativity that cannot be replaced. You're not a robot.

@@MaxQuagliotto creativity to write shitty workarounds lol

It's definitely not time wasted my friend. Keep your spirits up, this is just a tool, like Google is. The tool needs to be used by programmers, you're not going to see some business man code up an application using this tool, you'll see developers doing that.

IMO realizing this will focus everyone on true innovation: phantasizing of things all of humanity hasn’t yet thought about.

A chat bot demo app that leveraged the API took the approach of just posting the ever-expanding complete chat with every request while asking for the next response. Not only that, but they also included the domain-specific background info to inform the bot's response.

@@bokkeman123 In Open AI GPT chat models context cant be ever expanding. Messages must be trunkated to fit maximum token size, 4k, 8k or 32k. I havent seen any doc which explains how this limitation is handled in ChatGPT. Logical explanation would be to summarize text which condenses it to a smaller space. And keep summarizing it when new messages come. But to implement this would require still more API calls and increase of costs.

@@MarkoTManninen You might find this interesting - rather build your own model trained on your domain data, or use "embeddings" to enhance an OpenAI model ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-veV2I-NEjaM.html

nah, that will be robots too

working at McDonalds is already unncessary, but we haven't adjusted yet. Delivering food on a assembly line -> Easy. Ordering and payment -> Already done. All that's left is security and maintance.

Capitalists are getting the upper hand, why share profits if they can have it all especially when society is there to cover their losses. I bet, the latest layoff frenzy in SV is definitely no coincidences and it won't be the last.

It sucks for me since I was just thinking about becoming a web developer.. I was so inspired like a 4 year old waiting in the line to experience it all. So perhaps I would make a pass and do something else? :(

It will learn from us until it does not need to. That’s when Houston has a problem.

@@TheMugenVideos Don't give up so easily. Jump on the train and see where it brings you.

@@TheMugenVideos There is nowhere else to go but whatever manual labour has yet to be automated.

It would be even better if you could remove the middle man (the companies) and have the AI generate to the client directly in real-time whatever they need.

Up to 25k words worth of context atm

no mate, u should worry about it, what you will do as Junior dev is much like what chat GTP does! before the chatGTP era, junior dev is a tool , you have task to do the job that given too you by the company! now instead of hire new guy like u, the will give the task to mid or senior dev to do that.

@@lionsheart1685 I don't think stuff like this will be handed over to senior devs. Those people usually have far more important tasks at hand. It's more likely that the current Junior level jobs will shift from a "writing basic code" to a "specifying what the AI should write". And then just checking the code that the AI created for obvious mistakes and refining it further until it properly works. AI can write somewhat decent code already but it still can't understand software requirements very well. You still need a human to "translate" that stuff into actually useful prompts that the AI understands. It is still some form of programming. The language will just change.

No matter how funny it sounds, it's not. I am retiring from CS after 20 years in the field and last year I bought nice piece of land to grow some fruit and vegetables.

@@SimpMcSimpy There is not a single chance I retiring as well, but I ain't fighting it either. Am adding it to my workflow

why da hell you learn if you can relay on GPT?? nobody will learn..people getting dumber and dumber.. look how many people using computers and phones and maybe 1% of them know how it works, and so on. People just copy paste code and that's it...

@@SayWhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat You can use it to tutor yourself its great at explaining things

@@SayWhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat still you cannot bring it on your job interview, so unortunately you have to have something in your head :)

@@SayWhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat This is a really uneducated take. I am an astrophysicist + applied math holder, so I am by no means dumb or lazy. I also happen to know a lot of python but zero C++. With GPT 4, in just a day, I've made the framework for a roguelike in my terminal and I have learned TONS about C++ and object oriented programming. Chat GPT cant actually substitute anything but very simple work. You sound like you just haven't done high level STEM

@@SayWhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat Yes very few are actually interested in programming, if they could live a high quality life without working they would quit right on the spot. AI will replace everything in time and the future generations will look back at the era of human work as the most awful period in human history and be glad they weren't born that early, this is just a fact.

Yes. I did see already last version solve any leet code question it was given based purly on the problem description.

I think the way we humans address information and knowlegde is about to change substantially - I see ChatGPT as a calculator - its a tool that you need to learn how to use, if you are a junior, you should be able to hit CHATGPT, get a general idea about what you are building, and tailor your questions. Yes, you will be fighting against AI, but you also have AI on your side to speed up and guide your growth. I wish 15 years ago, when I was looking online for how to do some tasks or a specific explanation for a API was badly written, and lacked in examples. WIth ChatGPT, you can just ask it, and it cures the resources for you.

I understand your concerns about the potential impact of AI language models like ChatGPT on the job market for junior developers. While it's true that AI language models can generate code and automate certain tasks, it's important to remember that software development is a complex and multifaceted process that involves more than just writing code. developers bring a range of skills and abilities to the table, including problem-solving, creativity, domain knowledge, and the ability to work collaboratively with others. These skills are not easily replicated by AI, and they will continue to be in demand in the future. Furthermore, AI language models like ChatGPT are not a panacea for all software development tasks. They may be helpful in generating boilerplate code or automating repetitive tasks, but they are unlikely to be able to handle more complex development tasks that require a deep understanding of the business domain and the problem being solved. Ultimately, the impact of AI on the job market for junior developers will depend on a range of factors, including the pace of technological change, the availability of training and education programs, and the evolving needs of businesses and industries. It's important for aspiring developers to stay current with the latest technologies and to continue developing their skills and abilities in order to remain competitive in the job market.

Payment should not be GOOD or bad..payment have to be adequate for the value worker ceates. If your code made 10 000 euros in value - it's not logical to pay you 20 000. More likely it's normal to get 3000.

The fact that you will need less juniors is perfectly logical. Automation has always lead to more jobs lost than created so it makes sense that in the long run you will need less and less programmers.

@@btm1 It'd be more accurate to say you'll need fewer programmers per project, or per line of code produced. Often times automation massively increases productivity, and you just have way more *stuff* being produced, rarely the same amount of stuff but with fewer workers.

Wait till new version in two months.

It really needs to be part of an IDE. Then once aware of all the files in a project it will be able to create, analyse and fix the whole project. It's already currently capable of doing that, it just means to be made part of an IDE.

It has domain knowledge in every single domain

GTP4 can take 25k tokens per message, if you keep a document up to date with the domain trivia (which is handy to have anyway) you can paste it in before your request. it will then understand the context. You could also give it db schema et al.

That's a very broad statement. Are you saying it knows my environment (domain)?

@@lee4547 sure, if you tell it about your environment. Unless you have a ridiculously simple setup, which I assume you don’t by the way you’ve phrased your question, you would still have to tell a person how your setup works. That’s why we do onboarding

@@_simoncurtis in a perfect world it's that easy. You just onboard and fire up your container and hit a button and it's all in production hehehe.

Machines can learn how to code direct to the compiler, ditching any programming languages so... I don't think they care about "best practices" if there isn't any practice at all. But No Code/Low Code already do this and here we are.

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