Gran Turismo 7: The Worst Update So Far? 

It's obviously a commercial deal to keep income flowing into Sony and PD for a title that's now heading into it's third year. Deals like this help PD bring free content to the game long after most of us purchased GT7. PD aren't out of touch with their fanbase - many in the fanbase simply don't understand the financial realities of the videogame business. A more cogent argument would be to say it's now time to start charging for DLC to increase the quantity of monthly content. I wouldn't disagree, but that is not going to happen this far into GT7's lifecycle. For GT8 it could well be a GAAS and we'll have to pay for cars, tracks, wheels, cosmetics and so on. In the meantime we have to accept GT7 will likely be supported for another year or so. But updates will be more sparse or target particular events. PD know exactly what cars and tracks the fanbase want - that was demonstrated with Spec II. But there comes a point where it doesn't make financial sense to give that away in GT7 when GT8 is well into development.

It honestly seems like Kaz and PD are making some kind of weird… rich person club simulator, but all these rich suits aren’t going to be playing this game, they are going to be out there buying real cars so I don’t get it. It’s like they forgot they are supposed to be making a video game.

@@jaglemans6778selling a 5k$ watch to people who play a racing game sim is DEFINITELY out of touch. idk about you Mr. Moneybags, but i’m not rolling in dough

@@AntonyRaiola It's pretty much guaranteed GT8 will have a whole new roster of Gr.1, Gr.2, Gr.3, Gr.4 cars including Hypercar, GT500, GT3, GT4. That's exactly what GT Sport included - with GT7 carrying most over - while they delivered on the most desired road cars like the LFA, 959, NISMO 400R etc. It's fine for people to complain about a particular update. But we need to stop with the hyperbole as it just makes people look entitled. It's possible to be constructive and understanding about why PD offer certain things.

@@jaglemans6778 You’re on some copium my man. Almost 90% of this entire game is carry over content from the last game. The entire roster of GTE and Lemans cars is like a decade old almost. We’ve got like the 2011-2018 roster of cars. 2 years and they’ve added 1 Gr.1 car, 1 Gr.2 car, and 5 Gr.3 car (2 are updated models, One is a fake VGT and the Super Silhouette Skyline isn’t even a real GT3 car at all) only actual new model of car we got is the BRZ. So we get to complain it’s totally WARRANTED, the handling of this game has been really BAD, compared to what we used to get. I’m not saying it’s a bad game, I’m saying it’s HANDLED BADLY. Also it’s is pretty much NOT guaranteed. Nobody knows what they are going to do for the next game. If anything it seems to me like Kaz just wants to keep milking deals with his car manufacturer friends on this title.

Watch as shit ass Forza has some kinda deal not letting those be in GT

or maybe road cars that are more relevant to car culture

​@@cheezywheezy526nah, time for some racecars.

WEC cars for me please!

​@@UnfeelingEmperor road cars. Just play competizone if you want more race cars. GT is literally the closest thing to a sim that actually tries to give us diverse road cars...

Honestly I want all the old city tracks and then some. They were great.

Agreed, the old city tracks were fantastic, and a lack of them was a huge reason why I no longer play GT7 regularly. I hate their excuse of them being too time-consuming to make, wish that Polyphony would have taken the time to add at least a couple more, since no new ones even 7 years after the launch of Sport and Tokyo Expressway is really disappointing.

Yes i would love tight street circuits

I agree update we want cota and Indy newer gr3 and 4 cars

Yeah I don’t mind them but I’d rather historical cars or get LM cars than a fictional car made by a luxury goods brand

VGTs are nonsense in a game that calls itself "The Real Driving Simulator", it's like an FPS calling itself "The Real Military Simulator" while including plasma cannons and space lasers

​@@Anon-vu2jxagree

@@Anon-vu2jx What you just said makes zero sense.

Rubbish Game

The problem with VGT was put super well by another youtuber a while back. They're cars made solely for Gran Turismo, that are utterly useless inside of Gran Turismo.

There's way too many of them, their handling and speed is cartoonish and unrealistic, most of them don't even have modelled interiors, and none of them have any business being in a game that claims to be "the real driving simulator"

I fully agree with what y'all are saying about the VGT's and GT8, that beast is definitely in development at this point

@@julianturberfield7101to be fair a lot of VGTs were not made for GT7. Its bad game design on GT7’s part, not necessarily the VGT… if there were more kinds of races for different PP brackets they wouldn’t be useless. You could say the Lamborghini Aventador is as useless as a VGT for example, no races to use it in.

@@julianturberfield7101 that's a complete lie LOL Some of them are amazing and some of the most unique cars in GT. Most of them suck though, NGL

Rubbish Game

Lets applaud fish for swimming

They're interesting, but they shouldn't be the main focus of any updates to "The Real Driving Simulator".

no one

Kaz

Probably just a cheap out way of adding cars without paying more licensing

Nobody, this is the one thing that i hate about modern gran turismo games

Very true! It's all perspective innit?

Imagine us having to be happy because other brands are shit. And im pretty sure they are money grabbing but from these companies. Its much more worth having these companies pay so you as a player dont have to. I would guess its not worth putting resources into a dlc which will never be well received because of the monetization. Much better to have these brands pay and they still profit nevertheless and we dont complain too much because they are not charging either

@@pedrosilvamusician Yo you also make a very valid point!! Why should we have to settle right? Just because other brands (Forza, The Crew, NFS) always go all in on the dlc packs and such. I still do think there's a value in appreciating that these updates are free though. I'm certainly not disappointed there are suddenly three new cars in the game I can use. (Even though I'll probably never use them) :p

Agreed

unbelieveable how well this thing grips!

It was top draw 😎

I see this as a potential money farm if there's any events that has more fewer track limits

Oi, don't talk about the Jimny like that!

Jimny was cool asf tho come on

money from car brands ! that easy

The manufacturers are paying good money to be there. Kaz has lost sight of what GT used to be. Still no LeMans endurance race.

Never say 'nobody wants them', you're not voicing the opinion of every player

I can be assuming things here but i guess its because they brands pay more than any of us buying the game are worth to them. Why make an effort to try and get 2 or 3 hundred thousand copies more when you can insert the cars and get the money. They know the cars are shit, but its publicity and easy money to make im sure

We have to remember, whether we like it or not, Gran Turismo is an automotive showcase and not just a racing game. It's about car culture, history, and in the case of VGTs, concepts in a virtual space. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan, but I get their approach. If you just want to just race cars, we are all aware of the other sim options. 😉

What was fixed in split screen?

They didn't touch Gr4 which has the actual BOP issue lol

As a Motegi fan that genuinely breaks my heart, man... Like it's not rough enough that the 2011 Earthquake permanently ruiend the oval, we don't get to see it in most games...

@@frylucas Ruined? It was minor damage

@@Rezcuz "minor" enough for management to permanently decide to never host races there, it still exists thankfully, but now it is just used as extra parking space and such.

@@frylucas Someone ran an exhibition run around it and said it was mostly fine, and very little was needed for it to be race ready.

@@frylucas We have enough ovals in the game, but we do need the full course. I loved it on the previous games.

How is the current model tied to buying credits? I have 262 cars, with a couple 20 million credit ones, all earned just by playing the game, and rarely online races. As a casual gamer, there's been no barrier to buying anything. Your suggestion is to implement paid DLC, instead of getting it for free and having a choice to play the game to earn credits or pay to shortcut it I'd rather get free DLC and not have to pay real money, and play the game to earn stuff. You know....the whole point of videogames. I'm fairly sure you bought the Oblivion horse armour and didn't complain at all

@@privateeromally7347 Dude, of course you want free stuff but what he's saying is the devs probably aren't making much money off credit sales. They're a company who can't just keep pumping out free stuff forever so how do they make money?

@@privateeromally7347 I think you’ve misunderstood the rationale behind my suggestion a bit tbh… I appreciate your viewpoint and I don’t disagree - credits are not a problem, earning them is easy… which is exactly why I said “who is doing that?” Where I’m coming from though relates to the fact that this content update is pretty laughable, and I would like to see them do a hell of a lot more with the game before they move onto GT8 and abandon it. All games nowadays, have to earn money post-launch in some way… As a developer I know too well how important post-launch monetisation is now. There is no escaping that fact. What Im less of a fan of, is this idea of drip feeding poorer and less content for free, struggling to keep the game alive and instead increasing the grind and monetising the game through the purchase of in-game currency or cosmetics. CoD is a good example - I would argue 10 years ago when they released map packs for £10 4 times per year, the game was a hell of a lot better than the seasonal approach they now have, where monthly content is delivered (and less of it). I just feel the same is true here with GT7… their current model is totally relying on generating post launch revenue through credit purchases alone; so thats how the current model is tied to that? Car packs would be a good way to inject a bit more life into it imo. If they want money for it then fine, I’d gladly pay it, and Im sure they would make more cash too as I doubt anyone in their right mind is paying $20 for 2 million credits. And no, I didnt buy the horse armour ;)

​@@privateeromally7347 Yeah, I don't think you fully grasped the rationale behind my suggestion here as @Channy132 says, but I totally get your viewpoint. I'm simply making the observation that EVERY game is now built with ideas for post-launch monetisation in mind... I work as a game dev myself and cant stress how early in production the Directors are already shoehorning in stuff to ensure any titles longevity as an income stream (sadly just how it has gone). Credits are piss easy to make and I love the grind, thats not my argument at all? Personally, I'm just not really a fan of the approach modern games take - lets take CoD for example; nowadays, DLC maps are added to those games for free, but are drip fed... 1 or 2 every 3 months... whereas 10 years ago, fans would have instead had the option to pay £12 or something and get 4 maps, a new gun and a zombies map or whatever - I would argue that THAT is a far better way to support a game and keep it alive... as this approach of drip-feeding free content, and monetising games through other means (IE in-game currency that you can purchase to save on play time or fast-track progress) usually means we get delivered a lot less in terms of meaningful content and new stuff. Whether we like it or not, Polyphony chose a similar model here, they chose to offer the purchase of in-game currency, and build their entire game around trying to promote that to casual players or people who are maybe a little lazy/short on time, rather than maybe putting in more effort to create premium vehicle lineups or tracks that the fans truly want, so that we'll pay for it. Whilst it is nice to get stuff for free, I believe GT7 could be in a lot better state, with a lot more buzz and excitement surrounding it if they released a couple of car packs, similar to Forza or something. I guarantee you when it comes to post-launch support with games, when fans are paying for access to something, it always results in improvements in quality - we would undoubtedly see a lot more cars added... why in a racing game, is that a bad thing?

@@Channy132 Precisely yeah, and if the money dries up then the support for the game dies... Star Wars Battlefront 2 is a great example of this. The amount of free content added to that game in the end was crazy, but nobody cared to pay for the cosmetics so it was abandoned in a state that left a lot of the fans disappointed, as there was still so much additional content that could have been added. Feel like there is a danger here of similar happening with GT7 - there are so many extra cars and tracks we'd like to see... they need to make money in some way to keep the game alive, so why not offer some car packs or something full of vehicles that have been highly requested by the fans and charge for it if need be. I would much rather that, than the Suzuki Jimney being the headline vehicle in a free update...

He could buy a car if he sold the watch.

May be a weird/problematic solution, but they could possibly allow those who haven't purchased it X amount of practice time & X amount of race attempts for those particular races per day/week, if they show up in a daily race. Of course they'd have to have 1 DLC track max, and maybe not every week. Then if you buy it you obviously get unlimited solo and online use, but if you can't afford it you're not entirely left out. Problem is that would likely hinder sales from casuals anyways so still not that realistic.

Just watched the video about the designing of the Genesis VGT and really cool to see your comment. Figured that the cars would be loved by those who live for designing cars, creating them, and shows that Polyphony truly respect that side of the automotive industry. Motorsport IS a sport first and foremost, but a lot of people seem to forget the capacity for it to be ART. Hence, I think, part of the reason why the clumsy commercial link with Bvlgari was made. But I would rather that, than another generic, faceless, personality-less sim or sim adjacent game. We can complain all we want but GT7 is by far the most unique and interesting "sim" out there. Guess it's time for their next update to go back to the "sport" side of it all though.

Great philosophy@@sakura_arcand very kind words! Gran Turismo does seem to be attempting an all encompassing approach to car culture in general so should be interesting to see where they go with it, all whilst keeping the core racers happy of course. See you on track!

It's a $200 watch being sold to idiots for $5000.

@@jamesdrummond7684 Just like most expensive junk.

Yeah and no QR code 😂😂😂

Yeah, I would also love Sophy on long races were fuel consumption and tyre wear play a factor.

Yea it's free why are people crying like this

awesome? it’s terrible

Remember that this month Japan was in a Rocky Situation ? Especially Earthquake and a Plane Crash. Yeah

In Gt5 and 6 you were able to buy parts in the tuning menu before races, it was really useful in online lobbies idk why they got rid of it

@@gkan1042 Yea I have no idea why they got rid of it either. It was useful. A few weeks into the game and I feel like I do a LOT or unnecessary clicking and going back, clicking again, and going back. All pavilions should be available on the quick menu on the left as well.... Imho. There's just some UI and fluidity changes I'd like to see lol

Try testing different rims...Grrrrrrrr

@@rudedudester THAT TOO! Major pain in the ass lol. The other thing I hate is being forced to make a comment in the comment box when I save a paint scheme or livery lol.

Can't even test car paints on the actual car you want to change colour on 🙄🤌

Oh, Sprint Cars? Hmm! Only if the dirt physics were any good.

Rather have those