Grant Morrison Agrees With Me, Insults DC Comics 

I recorded this before George passed away.

A lot of writers today wouldn’t put even 5% of the work into a story that Grant Morrison did on Multiversity. I know that it is their property and of course it’s going to be used at some point but it would be nice if DC weren’t using it in such a shallow, surface-level way just for virtue points.

I've seldom agreed more strongly with an episode of Thinking Critical than with this one. There is no point in becoming emotionally invested in a new DC character when you know with a near-certainty that the next author will brutally, pointlessly murder them.

Modern comics, always trying to recreate past success BUT THEY ALWAYS FORGET THE KEY ELEMENT.. .. FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CURRENT CUSTOMERS WANT!!!! oh yeah... .. If you don't think like they do, then they don't care.. Explains the sales figures

Bullseye 🎯,Wes! Grant Morrison could write better comics in his sleep than these novice slackwits with a real editor holding their hands! Multiversity was chock full of potential for years to come! I agree with you 100%! DC has screwed the pooch to death 💀! Indies!

Grant Morrison loves the fans. Up until the pandemic, I attended many of his signings. Watching him hug the fans for selfies. Crack jokes. Watching the fans smile after their experiences. As a long time collector it’s daunting how times have changed. DC made its bed. They pushed out Geoff John’s. Pushed out Grant Morrison. Gone is the creativity. Now DC comic books have become horribly thought out political ads without any entertainment.

Grant Morrison is one of the few remaining comic book legends that definitely do it for the story, it doesn't matter how weird or meta it becomes. Doom Patrol, JLA, Final Crisis, Multiversity, even his The Green Lantern run had some good points. Wish DC involved Morrison again.

I am with grant morrison on this one because he's one hundred percent right especially with his multiversity work and on Green lantern while I didn't like his green lantern run because I found it to be way to confusing and super out there I do respect the guy as a writer and I too would also be annoyed if my work was being destroyed by lesser known writers who don't what the heck they are doing with my creations especially with the multiversity stuff.

grant morrison is a legend. loved his animal man and batman

Dang, it seems like the comic industry is full of idiots. If I was a creator I would have my own company.

I loved Grant's JLA run. I own the omnibus!

oh, and really...'Dark Crisis'? Mining the old shit and concepts...just like Hollywood doing their remakes. No interest. Zero. As for comic books, not enough people care or give a shit anymore.

The comics community accepting all these shithead writers and creators who fit in nowhere else was a mistake.

When Grant Morrison slaims DC, you know things got real though.

in comparison to morrison's multiversity, the current work is hot garbage

You know where I like the Batman that laughs best? When Batman and Joker chopped him up and supposedly killed him in first dark nights metal ending... After that ,I wanted nothing more to do with the stupid dopey character.

Wish Grant would come in and manage DC, tired of the negative, great analysis Wes

Multiversity really was a terrific series.

It's the same problem at every publisher, big and small. Whatever work you do for them, unless stipulated otherwise, is owned by them. And thus free to be used and abused however the company sees fit. Yes, I do sound bitter... It's from experience. And the fact you can't do anything but grit your teeth about it.

Non binary character??? Are you fucking joking???? That's a thing in DC???

I heard someone call him “The Batman Who is Overexposed” and it’s a perfect summation

Grant is a true legend!

King Robin but it's Spoiler, but she's still a King, like Valkyrie from the new Female Thor movie.

I have to be honest. I hate th DC Multiverse and the confusing as he'll Dark Multiverse stuff. It was near perfect after Crisis On Infinite Earth's. Even the return of the 52 was pretty good and made sense. But all this other stuff just is confusing and has tins characters I don't care about. So if Dark Crisis destroys all this and simplifies things so yiu can understand it....I'll be pleased. WTF 20 to DC.

I thought Multiversity was a shit meta joke (a comic book about comic books for 12 issues or whatever it was.) At the same time, it was a coherent layout of the Multiverse, and I rate it highly in that regard (and rate it low as a reading experience.) The multiverse has become increasingly incoherent since Scott Snyder (who, like Williamson should NEVER be given the "DC universe architect" role) introduced a second "dark multiverse" and revealed there is at a minimum one secret univers beyond the 52 in Multiversity.

rip george perez

What is with this pansexual Hal Jordan thing? I thought Hal's one fear was his commitment to Carol.

George died? oh damn. He was such a great comic artist (pencils and writing). Such a loss! argh

I know he gets a lot of hate, but I think Grant Morrison is one of the best writers in the modern era of comics. Love his stuff, and he has proven his ability to seamlessly integrate diversity and gay characters into books. Love Morrison and his substack.

Well, the George Pérez tribute cover should be the standard cover.

Grant is one to talk about redoing Crisis .. His Final Crisis was crapola

In War for Earth-3, Tim Sheridan had Earth-8 Harley Quinn who was just Harley Quinn?!?! The marvel analog of Harley Quinn is Harley Quinn??? I asked him on twitter how that made any sense (after he spent days bragging about her and posting pics) and his response was that it was an editors decision. Great! DC is literally the blind leading the clueless!

DC is making itself an easy target these days. Its really tragic. But you cant blame a publisher. They hire people and pay them an honest wage to produce material that can stimulate sales. I gotta say Grants Green Lantern run seemed like an attempt to sabatoge and derail the GL franchise. Liam Sharpes visuals are always a treat. But Grant made a GL book thats made to look at and not really generate sales. Im a life long GL reader and i gotta say that Grant's GL really disappointed me. It even dragged identity politics into the mix. Lets face it after 40 years at DC Mr.Morrisons best days are probably over at least at DC. Hes writing storys to entertain himself.

Grant's n52 superman had a villain named SuperDoom, who he said represented "corporate and popculture" Superman. If u read between the lines, that's Grant basically saying DC comics is the villain. LoL

“19th Nervous Rerun” is a reference to The Rolling Stones song “19th Nervous Breakdown “

I dont agree 100%. Grant did one of the WORST stories with Superman and the Authority. It was a horrible SJW nightmare that spit in the face of readers and Superman.

I like Josh Williamson, but DC really needs big time writers back, like Geoff Johns.

As a life long marvel comics fan, I've been very indifferent about Morrison. I find that his era of X-men is best left forgotten, especially anything with Xorn and Magneto. However, I must admit that it's a masterpiece compared to the Krakoa era. Finally, i respect him as a writer. His batman run was very unique but I was too caught up in Brubaker Cap at the time to really give it a chance.

DC losing their touch. Justice league animated series is the best, it actually feels like superheroes. Justice league comics suck compared.

This is the aspect of it all that I hate the most they never honor or awknoldge the amazing women or minority creators of all these groups that came before. The main reason is because most of these people know nothing of comics history. The same people who focus on the sexualization of female characters when all the male superheroes are sexualized too. Even many of the men have created many characters of all sorts of sex, races, and sexualities. It’s really is apparent how little they know about comics and even being in the industry awhile they still haven’t learned about any of it.

about how marvel would never kill a captain america esque chracter in such a dumb and unimportant way...have you seen how they treat captain america nowadays

I love Grant Morrison’s work especially All Star Superman

There shouldn't be any alternate realities in superhero universes, unless it's in an Elseworlds or What If book.

I wonder what the difference is in wages between a third rate DC comic book writer, like Vita Ayala, and a top notch comic book writer?

The Dark Multiverse was a shitty concept since the begin.Modern writers just make the DC universe a big mess where nothing matters anymore.

Its like they got the idea for Robin King by looking at old Cradle Of Filth band photos and using Dani Filth as inspiration for Robin King lol

Honestly I used to love the Batman who laughs it was a really cool idea but they did run into the ground. And made him God Batman as a lot of writers do except hes a bad guy so hes really God Batman.

i honestly cant believe how much DC and Marvel have changed in the few short years i stopped reading for . its only been 3 or 4 years if that .

I like a lot of grant Morrison writing at dc I don't think he would agree with this death of justice league to make way to the new bland green lantern btw can't remember her name and new wonder girl and aqualad but he had the great creations like crazy Jane and the gay Danny the street I agree not another crisis none have topped crisis of infinite earth I'm also disappointed with Jim Lee at dc now

It’s like Jennifer Lawrence when she said she was the first female action star.

How about DC appointing Grant Morrison editor and chief? Don't know if he would be able to get things back in order, it would require sacrifice on his part, and sacrificing a lot of untalented staff.

I'm fine as long as Grant Morrison doesn't touch any main continuity!

They dont stay consistant and throw in everything a comic book hater would think comics have

race, sexuality and gender swapping is their idea of originality they just mix it up on using 1 , 2 or all 3 on a character

Wes i was a fan of this channel until i saw your KC Chiefs shirt. Hahahaha, just kidding, go steelers and west ham united

I agree. The Batman who Laughs sucks.

Morrison is an interesting guy. I don’t always agree with him or like what he says but he is talented.

I agree the batman who laughs is the biggest pile of fan fiction I've ever read.

I think a lot of other earths are just distorted versions of the original Earth 3 and Earth x . Not original enough to be worth even read.

DESTROY THE MULTIVERSE ALL TOGETHER !!!

Morrison himself came out as NB recently, so their erasure or alteration of his work to fit their narrative is even more ironic.

Multiversity was my sh-t I loved those books

I'm not the biggest Grant Morrison fan (though I do like some of his stuff for sure), but props to him for actually speaking his mind on this. Compared to other comic veterans from his time who shill for these same vandals (partly due to politics, partly out of fear of being cancelled), it's refreshing to see.

Death metal was so shit lol. I was so excited for it too

I’ve been collecting Batman & Detective Comics since the 80’s, and I really hate the over saturation of bat titles and events. I avoid them and also truly hate the Batman Who Laughs and that entire event. The recent solicitation catalog for DC must’ve been 75-80% bat-titles!

We should use unique characters that already exist in their back logs or make new ones, rather than changing existing characters to "represent". I reccommend Tsunami, a Japanese American character from DC, to be utilized.

Empty is my hand ✋

Thanks for the post. I'm to the point, i don't care. I just don't care, whp, what, when where, why ad how is whatever gender they can imagine. I read comics because heroes are inspiring. DC comics are SUPPOSED to be hero oriented. If they want to do a vertigo or hentai or whatever adult type POS, which talks about all of this crap, go for it. I don't need to know this. I don't want to know it. If you hve to go this deep....great interview for you to do. Go out on the street, in a gay neighborhood or mall or where ever. Ask, really, surrisingly ASK, if any one of those other genders knows or reads comics??? More so, go to a comic book shop and randomly ask anyone if they know about Earth 11 or all of these genders or even if they knew there was a trans writer?? IMHO, who reads these comics, if anyone, any more? Die hard comic fans. Put me down, apologies to you, in the, Make mine NOT DC or Marvel. I read the old issues. Thanks for the post.

I couldn’t agree more about The Batman who Laughs. Excuse my language here but I truly straight up fucking hate that character! Just straight hatred!

Crisis level events should be reserved for rewriting the universe. The fact that they keep doing them so often makes them seem pointless and stupid.

Grant better watch out before somebody gets the bright idea to turn them into “The Morrison Who Laughs”

They/Them

He GAVE US the MAP of the DAMN THING!!!! THIS EXPLAINS SO MUCH BS.

Ah, Morrison. Still a good guy after all these years. ❤️

Wait. DC is trashing characters created by Grant Morrison so they can prop up newer LGBTQ creators and characters, when Morrison identifies as nonbinary to begin with?

I'm currently catching up with beings years behind with DC and am stuck in the lead up stories to Death Metal, and can completely agree the Batman Who Laughs is one of the stupidest concepts/character ever created.

Considering what he did to the X-universe on his new Xmen run, he doesn't have much credibility in defending the creations and intentions of anyone, especially his own.

When you see that some of the most popular new characters are from the multiverse (Miles, Spider-Gwen) and then you have Captain Carter creating her own buzz after MOM and what if, even a character with no mainstream appeal like Spider-girl(May) has 130 solo ongoing issues under her belt.

No this week in x men this week?

DC has become garbage. I'm 51, I've been into comic books, mostly DC since I was a kid. Hopefully lightning strikes and someone writes a good comic/storyline again one day. Long live Geoff johns and grant Morrison!

Wasn't familiar with Earth 11. Looks like some lovely superheroines - I'm going to have to track down those issues and check it out..although the DC website says that particular Earth was created by Jeph Loeb and Ed McGuiness, not Grant Morrison?

I salute you George. Your art will be used by dc to bump up sales to this shitty dark crisis. As well as you said Wes that dc keeps coming back but failing again and again. I still think that Grant should have been given a free hand to play out the multiverse. I still think Grant and Geoffe would be the pair to see it through the best multiverse can be envisioned and executed. I would have bought it freely if it would have been George on art duty. Oh my stars and garters! Dumb DC decision-makers like marvel. Be safe. Mabuhay!

hey, your opinion and others are fine--I respect Grant Morrison's work or a lot of it, but I don'treally care if others use his concepts from the Multiversity.. This is the story and history of comic books--use people, lie to the, and do it again. It's finally hitting them square in sales and etc. Fuck DC. And just because some celeb creator agrees with you doesn't make him or you 'right' I don't care--I'm pretty much 95% done with DC and Marvel--anything interesting being done is being done elsewhere...in my opinion.

Bullseye 🎯,Wes! Grant Morrison could write better comics in his sleep than these novice slackwits with a real editor holding their hands! Multiversity was chock full of potential for years to come! I agree with you 100%! DC has screwed the pooch to death 💀! Indies!

Grant Morrison's Batman run was among the most inspiring things I've ever read in comics

Have to agree, Grant Morrison (and Rachel Pollack) should be writing Doom Patrol, Earth-11, and a few other titles. He was a pleasure to listen to and later meet at conventions.

Wow, he has Substack? I didn’t even know that (I know that Z’darsky has one, but not Morrison.). Cool. I have to check it out.

I'll give Peter J Tomasi this, at least he had Red Racer die like a Hero, an not a villain, but even with Red Racer being a Speedster, we know even Speedsters can survive death, how many times have we seen this in DC Lore. Sure I can understand Grants Morrisons Grievance & he is right on many points, but he can't neglect the fact that Even Tomasi respected the Hero origin of Red Racer, whether it was his idea or Didios to kill the character off. Tomasi himself has shown how much he respects the past of previous characters in his writing many times, like damn, he has even written a Young Justice story for crying out loud.

Say what you will about Grant, they are not wrong. DC is being run by a bunch of idiots who don't respect the past. I wish Grant was running dc comics. Unlike Jim Lee and all the so called "creators" at DC/ Grant actually respect and cares about the legacy of DC comics.

You know, I may be in the minority here, but when I read "Crisis on Infinite Earths" (years after initial publication - just wanted to see what the hype was about), I didn't find the story all that interesting or compelling. I don't understand why it's being held up as some sort of inspirational standard for copy-cats of what was already a mediocre story to begin with (in my opinion, of course). The art was great, but the story itself was forgettable for me.

Heroes in Crisis really led DC in the direction of wrecking classic characters. Awfully convenient that Tom King first hosed Wally, then hosed Bruce and then puts the magic dust to screw up every other character he touches. Tom King is a blight on the industry.

While I was not the biggest fan of Grant Morrison's work he is a solid writer. What is more that he is correct when stating that the alternate earth's should be treated as their own franchises and, like the marvel knock off version, should be treated as if it were that world and not just disposable pieces. It is sad that they never really tried to explore another earth's heroes which might be able to give them the boost they needed. Even earth 2 which wasn't that great at least tried. Granted the bigger problem is they willing keep going back to the well so often and fail to realize it isn't working anymore.

18th rerun of COIE, indeed. I'm in the minority that believes COIE was a for-shit story (but with great artwork) in the first place; and the fact that few of the BIG CHANGES™ that it wrought have not been re-retconned, walked back, or just plain ignored subsequently proves my point. All existence in peril. Again. Yawn. When does Discovery summarily dismiss these sub-hack poseurs and replace them with actual storytellers?

Wes, thanks for another unfiltered opinion. This is why I roll right past the Marvel and DC sections when I go to the comic store.

Wes I can't find the substack post where he talks about what you mentioned. possible to provide the article link or title?

Not that I think it’s going to be really good quite honestly because we really don’t need this particular book but Morrison is a bit of a hypocrite here. If you’ve watched the doc about him he was at one point pitching a Miracleman story and he wrote to Alan Moore to get his blessing to write it and Moore basically slagged him and told him to stay away from it. Granted Miracleman isn’t Moore’s creation but he put a lot of thought and energy in the title and pretty much made his version his own and synonymous with the character.

Look Wes it’s baseball season time to put the royals gear on and leave the chiefs till the fall. Glad to hear Grant speaking out, feel bad that Williamson is stuck doing this shit as I’m sure he has great original ideas.

I do agree with Morrison that it is a loss when the Multiversity, which was created to allow entire franchises--each Earth, at the least--becomes a mere source for someone else's cannon fodder. When I heard about the possibility for a line of comics for each Earth, I was interested. But now, I much prefer to just try to understand the DCU, both Morrison's work, and that of others, through making a series of notes. It's as close as I can come to the idea that so interested me. The problem is, I have no idea how many other people would share my interest. This may well be a major problem for print comics: our society may well have become so thoroughly niche-marketed, that it is now quite impossible to please a mass audience. The result would seem to be just what we're seeing: comic book companies (certainly including DC, although I suspect that all the others have the same problem,) throwing whatever they can against the wall, trying to see if it sticks, which if "sticking" means that it enjoys the runaway success of early Superman, then nothing sticks. There's only a limited number of gimmicks that can then be tried...and all of them have been tried, repeatedly. Want to try to create an analogue of what some other company is doing, with some apparent success? It's been done. Want to amalgamate whichever character with whichever other character? It's been done. Want to throw a major crisis involving all of your characters? Do I even need to say it? We are talking about DC, after all. Here is the one-and-only idea that I have in response. (I claim no other virtue for this thought than that.) Maybe print comics have outlived their usefulness. Maybe it would be best if all the copyright-owners, and trademark-owners simply dropped all of their fantastic fictions into the public domain. I know, I know...there's a greater chance that any given individual will win the Powerball ten weeks running. It simply isn't going to happen. So...does anybody have any better ideas? Or even just any other ones? But maybe we now need to decide for ourselves what works for us, (and what doesn't,) and explore the ideas that appeal to us as individuals. I'd like to see more multiverse, more Shazam Magiclands, and more Immortals, and more exploration of the fun/whimsical side of DC.

Awesome of Grant to speak his mind like this but the likelihood of jim lee and the paper pushers at dc actually listening is 0 :(

I had no idea that there was even a character named Red Razor. Tomasi is pretty respectful of the continuity and the characters , so it probably wasn’t that bad. Pollock also write the Doom Patrol too.